eric wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 10:56am:I've read the bible cover to cover, attended a Christian school for seven years, and have partaken in numerous small-group bible studies. I am no stranger to the archetype known as Jesus. I feel that the Christian path is a good fit for a lot of people.
No one said you were, but as you note in the above, your exposure has been through a dogmatic, religious lens, rather than direct experience and guidance about it. I did not have any of the above type experiences, and it's perhaps my lack of exposure to relgious Christianity and Christians which is partially what allowed me to more easily take a more objective and non prejudiced look at Jesus outside of religious dogma or hang ups with these kinds of beliefs or people who believe in same.
I've had just enough experience though, to know that some so called "Christians" can be a rather difficult or distasteful lot. I can understand why so many dislike Christian religion and those who are religious.
Quote:Here's what I don't understand-- proclaiming how important it is that one knows the teachings of Jesus, when the vast majority of the human race have never heard these teachings.
You don't understand, because again, your exposure has been through a distorted lens as regards him, his teachings, and example. There is little of Yeshua and his real Teachings in many religious, dogmatic, Christian circles and belief systems. If you had experiences with or guidance messages about him directly, like Albert and i have had, you might understand why we at times emphasize this particular pattern.
Again, there is a big difference between religion and who and what he was actually.
Quote:Christianity isn't even a very old religion, or a unique one. Several mystery cults had god-figures that died and were resurrected before Christianity came along, and perhaps Christianity itself grew from these mystery cults.
I'm well aware of the above claims, having done plenty of intellectual research and moreover, more importantly, going within about the above. We know so little in any concrete way, about so many past figures. They are shrouded in so much symbolism, so much mystery and myth, that it's hard to say exactly what, historically, happened with any of these past figures. With Jesus, he is the most recent and we have eyewitness testimony from multiple sources regarding him. His life and teachings are more or less a "biographical", journalistic accounts that others wrote about him.
Also, i've learned via guidance that what Cayce's guidance and Joe McMoneagle's remotive viewing session has said about Jesus is true--that his life as Jesus was not the first time he has interacted with humanity in a teaching and exampling capacity. Cayce's guidance indicates that he has often either manifested directly here from expanded consciousness states and also incarnated here in the more typical human process.
Hence, some of these past figures, such as Thoth/Hermes were "aspects" or projections/probes of Jesus's "Disk".
Quote:R. McKnight is very religious. Cayce also was religious.
Not really. You like
black and whites don't you? Rosie started off with some religious leanings and focus. It's clear from knowing her, that she became much more spiritual and nonphysically oriented via her experiences, guidance sessions, etc. She never lost her respect or attraction to Jesus, but she became and was, much more
Universal and non denominational in nature and approach.
Edgar Cayce started off as being more dogmatically and religiously Christian--however, a similar thing happened with him as had happened with Rosie. Through his experiences and guidance sessions, he grew out of being dogmatically religious and became much more universal and non denominational in nature, but again keeping a deep respect, love, and interest in Jesus as a teacher and examplar.
His Guidance challenged and contradicted Edgar's beliefs in many, many deep ways. "They" talked about things like the validity of astrology, reincarnation, other systems and visitors from other worlds to our own, other spiritual Teachers, etc, etc. all which deeply challenged and contradicted Edgar's prior, more narrow belief systems. Edgar came to "believe in" all of the above, through his own experiences, these guidance sessions, and through growing in Love which ever expands ones perceptions.
But, you would like to pigeon hole them as simply and completely being "religious", wouldn't you?
Quote:Guides don't try to change one's beliefs-- they take whatever form will best benefit the person being guided.
Geez, you really are pulling out all the stops to protect and defend your limited belief systems. There are several clear issues and contradictions with the above statement. See above paragraph of mine talking about Edgar Cayce and his experience with Guidance and them outlining the validity of many things he didn't "believe in" and which deeply contradicted his beliefs at the time.
Look at any Retrieval of stuck aspects or consciousnesses. What do they involve? A person gets stuck, often, through limiting and erroneous beliefs, correct? What does "Guidance" do then? They try to influence that person to change those stuck facilitating, erroneous and limiting beliefs to more free and expanding ones.
All Guidance is about transforming and changing limited beliefs, attitudes, views and perspectives, to more and more expanded and free ones.
Higher levels of Guidance never speak falsehoods in this process. They may temporarily work within a person's current beliefs in order to better "reach" them, but if they state things like Rosalind's Guidance stated, "Jesus Christ was the highest vibratory being to ever incarnate on the Earth", they are stating a truth as they see it and not "conforming" to the beliefs of those they are working with.
In Rosie's case, Guidance was not just working with her, but also with Bob Monroe and Bob was very involved with her process, with asking questions, etc. Her Guidance even chided Bob for his lack of discipline and concern with his diet and health lifesytle.
Eric, there are so, so, so many issues with your above statement and it's clear that you are grasping at straws for some reason.
Quote:This, I feel, is the case with both McKnight and Cayce.
See above replies to your black and white statements and beliefs, to better understand the relativity of the process, and the inaccuracy of your current beliefs.
Quote:But really, I'm not trying to open a can of worms. I only wished to point out that it is a little foolish to discount channeled material because it conflicts with one's religious beliefs. For the record I think Seth's opinions on Christianity are somewhat boring and not really worthwile.
This is exactly the kind of attitude and stuck belief that i'm addressing and trying to counter balance here. You assume that interest in and awareness of Jesus is synonymous with "religious beliefs". Why do you not listen when Albert and i tell you that we have never been religious, never been interested in being so, and do not approach him whatsoever from a "religious" or dogmatic approach or perspective?
I think the Christian religions NEED to die, and will die. I think what needs to replace them, if humanity is to go forward and grow more, is more and more people going within and hooking up to expanded levels of Consciousness and guidance.
I think, or rather know, that if you had experiences with or about him from going within and attuning to expanded guidance and/or consciousness states, you would see things differently than you do now with your experiences and beliefs having been influenced and affected by the religious distortions you were exposed to and grew up around.
Quote:I am aware that most consciousness explorers have taken some kind of interest in Jesus. Anyone who wishes to tread this path should investigate those with spiritual levels of consciousness. This goes for other religious teachers too, such as the Buddha or Lao Tzu.
You assume far too much. I have explored and researched many belief systems, and i have looked at Buddha, Lao Tzu, Confucius, Krishna, Pythagoras, Zoroaster, other Biblical Prophets or figures, and others. Not too mention many different psychic or channeled oriented information.
What i have found is that ALL organized, codified belief systems contain both truth and falsities. I have found that it is far better to go within and to hook up directly to expanded guidance and consciousness states to get info, and under the ideal conditions which work in harmony with the Law of Like attracts, begets, and resonates with Like and the reality of assistance and asking for same.
Through doing that, i have found out that Jesus, like Rosalind's guidance, Cayce's guidance, and others like Paul Elder's, David Oakford's have communicated, is the fastest vibratory and most expanded Consciousness to take on human form so far. I have learned that as he taught, that we can become like him, if we live and choose like he did and become channels for PUL and Source Consciousness like he did.
I have found that while many other Teachers taught plenty of accurate and helpful things, that all these are but stepping stones in the affect and awareness that Yeshua has on others, because he was the purest example of PUL yet to publicly teach. Think of each Teacher as a stream of Consciousness and transformational force. The most clear, brightest, intense, and purest Light stream, is going to be the most effective and strongest in their effect.
Other Teachers, help us to get to the position of knowledge and awareness of him. They are like stepping stones as the inner vibration increases and speeds up.
I talk about Jesus from that perspective and position, but you have and like to pigeon hole me as someone who is "religious" for it protects and defends your own beliefs. It's ok that you don't believe or know as i know, but again, i would stress that it's important to not get too rigid in your intellectually and materially based beliefs/experiences and to be open hearted and minded, so that if the time comes that your Guidance decides to awaken you and change your beliefs on this, that you will be able to receive the information.
It is very easy to block out, ignore, or just not "hear" expanded guidance, especially when strong preconceptions, beliefs, and attitudes are involved.