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Reply #15 - May 23rd, 2011 at 8:30pm
 
Here are some highlights of the second link Ralph provided.  Perhaps those are enough miracles to cause somebody to wonder if something happened other than what was told.

THE MIRACLE

On the day of the hijackings the US Government is running drills with its Air Force where it is simulating "Multiple Hijackings of Aircraft" within the United States of America. This drill causes great confusion amongst Air Traffic Controllers as it provides a "Cover" for the real Hijackings. Without these drills it is very possible that the Aircraft that were hijacked could have been intercepted far earlier. Certainly one has to consider this some sort of "Miracle"

Surely "The hand of ???"

The Miracle

Months prior to the hijackings the US Government changes the rules of engagement for hijacked Aircraft. Now in order to send up planes to intercept, the approval of the Defense Secretary, one Donald Rumsfeld, is required. Unfortunately he goes missing for 30 minutes, on the morning of the attacks, again impeding the ability of intercepts to be flown. Not only this but on the day of those intercepts, supersonic US fighter aircraft that are scrambled suddenly have a top speed of only around 200 MPH.

Surely "The Hand Of ???"

The Miracle

The US President is on a pre-scheduled event in a school in Florida. The Government has no idea of how many Aircraft have been hijacked or what the targets of the hijackers are.  Indeed, given that the president’s location that morning had been televised, the President himself might well be a target. Yet, rather then rush him to safety as they are trained ~ and expected ~ to do, the Secret Service is certain the President is not at risk. They let the President sit in the classroom and continue with his story about a pet goat for the next half hour ~ even after he was told the second tower was hit. A miracle of faith if anything.

Surely "The Hand of ???"

The Miracle

Five Israeli Citizens manage to be across the river from the WTC towers and are in place to film the planes crashing into the towers. Great is their Joy as they realize that the United States will certainly discover that Al Qaeda is the Culprit and this will lead to the destruction of Israel's many enemies. How they came to be there is certainly a miracle, and that the attack lead to the destruction of their arch enemies, the Iraqis, even more so. Why, after traces of explosives were detected their vans by bomb-sniffing dogs these men were inexplicably released by the police, only adds to this miracle. (They later admitted during an interview on Israeli television that they had been sent to the the United States “to document the event”, but no one asked them who sent them.)

Surely "the Hand Of Yahweh"

The Miracle

No steel-framed buildings in the history of construction had ever suffered total structural collapse due to fires, yet on this single day, within hours of one another, THREE buildings collapse after fires burn through them. This even after Firefighters claim to have had the fires under control.

Surely "the Hand of ???"

The Miracle

All three towers collapse neatly into their own footprints, exactly as they do in controlled demolitions, at freefall speeds—I.e., in the same time it would take apples dropped from the roofs. All 110 floors fell as if nothing existed beneath them but air.

Surely "the Hand of ???"

The Miracle

The owner of the buildings slips up on national television and admits that he ordered one of the towers (building 7) to be “pulled”. A “Pull”—jargon for controlled demolition—requires months of planning and preparation. Yet, no one to this day has asked this man how he managed to achieve this incredible feat in a matter of hours, and amidst the chaos of 9/11. The 9/11 Commission surely must also have assumed this to be a miracle because they did not even address this in their report. That the insurance company paid out 7 billion dollars without even the slightest investigation—even after the owner’s admission of a ‘pull’—only compounds the magnitude of this miracle.

Surely "the Hand of ???"

The Miracle

Jet fuel is essentially refined kerosene. It burns without problem in millions of steel stoves, heaters and furnaces around the world every day. Yet on 9/11, in less than an hour, this innocuous substance MELTED all the massive steel beams of three skyscrapers and caused the structures to collapse like pillars of sand in less than 10 seconds. How do we know the steel melted? Firefighters and other first responders reported seeing molten metal “flowing like rivers” in the basements of the collapsed buildings for several weeks.

Surely "the Hand of ???"

The Miracle

Six months before the 9/11 attacks, the cluster of buildings that constitute the World Trade Center are purchased by a private investor for a relatively paltry sum of $200 million. (That was the first time in its 33-year history the complex had changed ownership). The new owner has the foresight (again miraculous, no doubt) to insure the buildings against terrorist attacks. The buildings were never seen as being profitable. In fact, because of their extremely high asbestos content, the structures had actually been condemned. Yet to destroy and rebuild them by conventional means would have been prohibitively expensive. It is indeed a miracle that the investor was paid $7 billion by the insurance companies after the attacks. A miraculously handsome return on an investment of $200 million.

Surely "The hand of ???"

The Miracle

Immediately following the acquisition of the WTC complex, the new owner makes it a priority to change Security companies. The CEO and a director of the new security company are none other than George W. Bush’s brother, Marvin Bush, and cousin, Wirt Walker III. It is a double-miracle that this same company is also responsible for providing security to American Airlines and the Dulles airport ~ both closely associated with the 9/11 attacks.

Surely "The hand of ???"

The Miracle

Billions in profits are made off put options shortly before 9/11 wherein investors made up to $15 billion in a frenzy of trading betting that certain stocks would fall in value over the next few days. These included stocks in the two Airlines that would suffer most from 9/11. In fact, the profits were so staggering and unprecedented that it caused Bloomberg News to exclaim: “This would be the most extraordinary coincidence in the history of mankind if it was a coincidence. This could very well be insider trading at the worst, most horrific, most evil use you’ve ever seen in your entire life. It’s absolutely unprecedented.”

Little did Bloomberg News know that it was in fact a miracle.

Surely "The Hand of ???"

The above mentioned miracles are but a small sampling of those that occurred on 9/11. People who do not believe higher powers had a hand in these are surely blinded. The number of coincidences that occurred in those few days is mind boggling. Terrorists’ passports that Miraculously survived fireballs and landed blocks away...the Miraculous bag that did not make the flight that included the names and details of every hijacker...Persons receiving Miraculous warnings out of the ether not to fly on that day...Cell phones Miraculously working from 30,000 feet where they had never worked before...People who couldn’t fly a little Cessna performing Miraculous corkscrew maneuvers in Jumbo jets...The list of Miracles on 9/11 is virtually endless.

“???” has certainly spoken

Or is this the evil work of man ? 

To be continued .....

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Reply #16 - May 23rd, 2011 at 11:25pm
 
  Hi Ralph, thank you so much for the extra info about the 9/11 hoax perpetrated on us by the very people and system that is suppose to serve and protect us.  How corrupt these have become. 

  If i didn't believe in non violence and that spiritual revolution is ultimately more effective than material revolution--like Jesus taught in his example, right now i would be trying my damnest to start a revolution to overthrow this current U.S. government. 

  Thank you also for the more personal, supportive words. I suppose i have a bit of that fiery and fearless, Jesse Ventura like spirit within me.   

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Reply #17 - May 23rd, 2011 at 11:44pm
 
  Hi Albert,

That is one of the best summary's of all the convenient coincidences or "miracles" surrounding the events on and leading up to that day, that i've yet seen in one place. 

   How people can deny at least the possibility that 9/11 was an inside job when faced with such a compilation of all the circumstantial evidence strongly implying an inside job...is completely beyond me.

  That most of the mainstream media and even most the so called "liberal" parts of same, still try to cast people who don't believe in the official explanation as "nutters", paranoid conspiracy theorists, or the like is beyond me, though not completely in this case  Wink since all major mainstream media sources are owned by what like just three corporations which are some of the wealthiest and most influential in the world. 

  That there are people even on this site that believe strongly to the former is really beyond me, because i've always thought that most here were truly open minded and independent thinkers. 

  An ever puzzled with humanity human wondering..wondering..wondering.


  I wonder what Hawkeye, Don, Rondele, Andy B., Ginny, and other strong naysayers here have to say about such a summary of "miracles".  Do the cats now have their tongues?   

Divine intervention maybe?  Simply just anomalous happenings, or multiple convenient coincidences?  Or perhaps all these are just simply made up myths and lies designed to support the crazy conspiracy camp?





 

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Reply #18 - May 24th, 2011 at 7:00pm
 
I say bull. You can find a conspiracy anywhere you want to make one up. But really you guys...come on. Its all very convenient that these things all add up in a row. But don't conspiracy theories always do that? Believe what you must. It makes for interesting reading. Or perhaps for a movie someday. Why not try something really useful and attempt a recovery on one of the people who are still stuck there instead of focusing on the tragedy its self.
Thanks AKA for your fine compliment on my intelligence and me being reasonable. You talk about emotion and it concerns me a little. I believe that the continued belief in these conspiracy theories and the such do much harm in the cases of stuck souls by reinforcing anger and emotion of the area and the event. Sometimes its better to move on.
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Reply #19 - May 24th, 2011 at 7:41pm
 
hawkeye wrote on May 24th, 2011 at 7:00pm:
I say bull. You can find a conspiracy anywhere you want to make one up. But really you guys...come on. Its all very convenient that these things all add up in a row. But don't conspiracy theories always do that? Believe what you must. It makes for interesting reading. Or perhaps for a movie someday. Why not try something really useful and attempt a recovery on one of the people who are still stuck there instead of focusing on the tragedy its self.
Thanks AKA for your fine compliment on my intelligence and me being reasonable. You talk about emotion and it concerns me a little. I believe that the continued belief in these conspiracy theories and the such do much harm in the cases of stuck souls by reinforcing anger and emotion of the area and the event. Sometimes its better to move on.   


  Hawkeye/Joe, same old same old eh.  I'm still not taking your "debate" seriously, because you still aren't actually addressing any of the facts or evidence, much of which is well known and have been reported in various mainstream media channels. 

  You're still just making huge generalisations with no substance or facts whatsoever to back them.

  You're still just loudly proclaiming the "truth" in a very religious and dogmatic like manner. 
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Reply #20 - May 24th, 2011 at 8:22pm
 
My feeling is that if a person had any openmindness at all about this isssue, he (or she) would at the very least understand why many people doubt the explanation that was provided by the mainstream media. An open minded person wouldn't think of doubters as a bunch of over zealous dimwits.
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Reply #21 - May 24th, 2011 at 11:36pm
 
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That is one of the best summary's of all the convenient coincidences or "miracles" surrounding the events on and leading up to that day, that i've yet seen in one place. 

Greetings Justin.


   I'm glad you liked the "The Miracle" list. But even that just scratches the surface of intriguing anomalies from that infamous day. Here is an even bigger list of questions in need of a good answer:
http://www.rense.com/general24/t500.htm
I would copy them here like recoverer did with the first list, but I think it would be too long to show (500 questions).

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I say bull. You can find a conspiracy anywhere you want to make one up. But really you guys...come on. Its all very convenient that these things all add up in a row. But don't conspiracy theories always do that? Believe what you must. It makes for interesting reading.

Greetings hawkeye.


   See what you think of the bigger list from the link above. You remind me of my cousin Joe (name coincidence). He also is very intelligent and treats the 9/11 subject in the same way as you. He thinks that it was a sequence of incompetent errors that allowed the crashes to happen.
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Why not try something really useful and attempt a recovery on one of the people who are still stuck there instead of focusing on the tragedy its self.

   That's a good point you made. Since I don't have that ability yet, I was hoping that someone from this conversation board would have contacted at least one of the victims from that horrible day and learned what the victim knows about the reason for their untimely departure from physical existence.

   A good "other side" source of information would come from the airplane passengers themselves, who may not have even been on the actual crash planes. Here is an interesting story that elaborates on the plane issues:
http://letsrollforums.com/happened-passengers-4-flights-t20496.html?s=53c6127089...

   As yet even more food for thought. There's so much more involved with 9/11 that I never mentioned, like the mysterious vanishing wings and passengers from the Pentagon crash, and missing airplane debris from both the Pentagon crash and the Shanksville crash.

Ralph

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Reply #22 - May 26th, 2011 at 6:36pm
 
Ralph, AKA, Its all possible. Of course its also possible that the end of the world really did happen last week..We just don't know it yet or cannot except it because is not within our reality. Of course it could have happened on our sister planet. Or, or, or. Perhaps the aliens really caused it. Its all possible. Because miracles happen all the time. Hell, even Jesus was resurrected. Mary had a virgin birth. Now those are miracles. Perhaps the truth will be found in Rosswell. In the future that is. Or the past, with time travel.
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Reply #23 - Aug 15th, 2011 at 12:57am
 
   Here is an important update on disclosure of what happened to the World Trade Center buildings:
http://beforeitsnews.com/story/931/331/WNL/Exclusive:_Last_Man_Out_Makes_Shockin...

   It seems that the truth may finally come to light on the tenth anniversary of 9/11/2001.

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Reply #24 - Aug 30th, 2011 at 4:33pm
 
Greetings.


   With the tenth anniversary coming soon to the day that will live in infamy, I have another update article:
http://cafr1.com/wr911.html

   I hope and pray that on 9/11/11 we don't suffer from another false flag attack by the evil powers that be.

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Reply #25 - Sep 3rd, 2011 at 3:19am
 
   Here is a well written article about 9/11 by Paul Craig Roberts:
http://rense.com/general94/911after.htm

   For anyone who hasn't researched, this offers a lot of food for thought.

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Reply #26 - Sep 3rd, 2011 at 3:35am
 
I just saw this video and wanted to add it as well:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wF-Rp4W_ABE

   It is well worth watching.

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Reply #27 - Sep 11th, 2011 at 11:44pm
 
This is a great video that can help to unmask the cover up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvay28lZiHU&feature=related

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Reply #28 - Sep 23rd, 2011 at 1:31pm
 
I am a bad dog. I think the world trade towers were flown into by hijacking terrorists and that caused their collapse. I also eat meat, and believe all food groups to hold a life energy that equals each other. None higher than the other. I'm twisted man. What sort of hell will I be going to?
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Reply #29 - Sep 23rd, 2011 at 2:51pm
 
   At least I know now I'm not crazy for believing that the 9/11 attacks were an inside job according to these professionals of the mind:
http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/%3F-older-posts-psychologists-questioning-9...

   I prefer in believing people with high credentials like scientists and engineers rather than the corrupt government and it's propaganda machine like the mainstream news media.

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