Here is a video of our "Savior" President Obama, telling us quite strongly that we should not question at all the official 9/11 report and explanation.  Notice the very strong/absolute language he uses. 

  Then it segways into Bush telling us that we should not tolerate any outrageous conspiracy theories involving that event. 

  Do you ever feel like you live in Oz, when you see this stuff?   

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuASoVK8f9c&NR=1

  Earlier on the Bin Laden thread i did not address the Pentagon incident. 

  This video is worthwhile to watch regarding this issue. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrZ14NRbT-s

Is there such a person as an 'average American'? Could one opinion ever represent an 'average' anybody?

Speaking for myself, it was a long time ago. Whatever happened and how it happened becomes a distraction from the everpresent fact that TPTB desire war without end, without our permission, as a country. The last presidential and other elections have shown that a significant number of people here are tremendously unhappy with spending priorities in this country and in the world. We do not like what is happening and we do not know how to change course. It is like trying to stop a 'mudslide'. Who knows what to believe anymore? Who knows who to believe? It is not true that taking 'action' is always better than taking 'no' action. Those who are truly peaceful are not always seen and not always heard, and that's the way 'blowhards' would like it to be. 'Blowhards' like the sound of their own voices and the excitement of power. They like to 'stir things up'. There is 'change' and there is change. Some things don't ever change. As we get older we dislike so much drama, and finally we are free of it.

PauliEffectt wrote on May 14^th, 2011 at 1:47pm:

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  At the time that President Obama was running as a candidate for Presidency, i was involved with an intentional community that was based on principles of equality and group cooperation. 

  I was heartened to see how intensly and collectively people got their butts into gear and mobilized to enact political change by going out and trying to gain support for Obama.  "Change" was all around; everywhere one looked people were talking about change for the better. 

  It seemed to me that Americans had finally woken up from their slumber of apathy and complacency with the status quo and really tried to do something about it all. 

  Yet, it was missing an essential ingredient.  An awareness of how far gone the system has become, how much of a strangle hold that corrupt, materialistic-selfish forces have on the true decision making process at the highest levels of government. 

   I believe that Obama is full well aware that 9/11 was an inside job.  I believe that is why he gave the speech above, because he knew how much he is listened to and considered by the many that voted for him. While many are starting to wake up to being fooled by him, there are still many under his spell and expect amazing things from his admin.

  When i was at the intentional community, i remember hanging out with some long time members, and they were excited about Obama and were campaigning a lot on his behalf.  I was asked what i thought about him, and not wanting to burst any bubbles of enthusiasm, i tried to generally explain that my intuitive sense had told me that he is not the change we are looking for.  I explained this is why i was not part of the campaigning process that so many i knew were actively part of. 

  Course, the human part of me wanted to be hopeful and enthusiastic about him, but deep down i knew the political system was too far gone to let a person for truly deep and positive change in a position of more influence like the Presidency.   I knew Obama was a ploy, and a much more believable and sincere seeming puppet than was Bush and some other past Presidents. 

   But the truth eventually wins out.  I think Obama, and the hidden benefit of this Administration will be that it will teach Americans as a whole, that this system is too far gone in it's corruption, deceit, and secrecy.  That if we truly want to enact positive change, we have to start from scratch from the grass roots up.  Whether or not we actually do something about it, once we've reached that awareness, is another issue and my crystal gazing ball isn't telling me the outcome yet.

  When the boat you are in has so many large holes letting in so much water, rather than trying to patch all these holes in vain to avoid sinking, it's best to abandon the boat and build a new one.  It might seem more difficult, challenging, and scary at first, but it will be the wiser choice in the long run. 

   

hawkeye wrote on May 19^th, 2011 at 6:49pm:


  Hi Joe,

  You generally strike me as a pretty intelligent and reasonable man, so when i read stuff like the above from you, i'm left somewhat puzzled. 

  My only explanation is that probably you haven't researched all the facts, for example this hard evidence found:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IL9Yrf4nxg

  When i see and read stuff like this, i begin to see the official Government sponsored version of the 9/11 attacks as the "conspiracy theory" that holds no water.   

  Not to mention the rather obvious stuff like that Tower 7 fell within itself in almost free-fall speed and without being hit by an airplane. 

  Really think about that for a moment...  Probably why a lot of engineers, physicists, architects, building constructors, and similar folks have come forward and questioned the official explanation.  Who would know better, politicians who easily lie or change their positions often for a living or people with real world experience and training in these kinds of areas?

  Where are the "conspiracy theories" in the above Joe???

  What is implied by such hard physical evidence,  numerous circumstantial pieces of evidence, as well as multiple eye witness testimony, is the "theory" part of it, because we don't know for certainty why some U.S. gov. connected groups "helped" out in the taking out of these buildings.

  But we do know that a relative of President Bush was high up in the security involvement and oversight of the Towers.   

  If Bush and his admin. (and possibly other forces or groups connected to them) wanted to help bring down these towers, they certainly had the access to do so.

   Joe, i gotta say bro, i've been noticing a definite pattern in my researching AND communication about this issue.  I often see people reacting like you do in the above, with strong emotional and generalized wording and communication, with a real lack of discussion regarding the physical and circumstantial evidence, and the eye witness testimony facts. 

   It really does seem like a "shoving under the rug" kind of reaction and seems to be so common among people who support the official gov. story.   

  I can't take "arguments" and "debate" like this, all that seriously, even if i know before hand that the people doing so are intelligent and well meaning.  It's not personal, i'm just a heck lot more interested in getting to the truth, and besides all the above issues and points i've brought up, there is my intuition and i've come to learn that i'm a very intuitive person.

  So Joe, please bring something of substance and holistic logic to the table, and then we can have a real discussion and not Joe's religious like proclamations of belief. 

recoverer wrote on May 20^th, 2011 at 12:46pm:


  So true.  While i don't remember if i actively made fun of the whole reptilian thing, i do remember being highly skeptical of the concept, because i only saw people like David Icke speak about the validity of same. (at the time, i wasn't aware of other, more serious researchers like Mack). 

  From what i'm aware of, Icke has said and done some pretty outrageous things, which made him and his info much less credible in my eyes.  Some of his reptilian info in particular is really "out there".  Shape shifting, reptilian Presidents, etc. etc.   

  So i started to develop 'blinders' when it came to certain concepts he talked about.  (Sometimes i wonder if Icke is on the pay role of certain groups with a vested interest in discrediting certain info and awareness's).

  But thankfully more credible sources, like Rosiland A. McKnight who worked with Bob Monroe back in his lab as one of his explorers, spoke about the reality of a non friendly E.T. group being involved in with the Earth.   

  Hawkeye/Joe despite being a vocal supporter of Rosiland McKnight and her work, apparently isn't open minded to some of what her guidance outlined, or he "missed the memo" on that one.    (speaking in general, but also let's not forget that her guidance outlined it was probable that humanity would get involved in an out and out war with this same group around the mid 21st century mark.)

  Well anyways, sources like her and her book "Cosmic Journey" helped to keep me open minded about such stuff (then later Courtney Brown's adapted Remote Viewing work).  Then Becky and i started to have dreams about this issue, which confirmed the truth of an unfriendly E.T. group being involved with Earth.

  Then more specific "reptilian" info came.

  That old saying comes to mind, "sometimes the truth is stranger than fiction" in such cases. 

recoverer wrote on May 20^th, 2011 at 1:51pm:


  Relating to the above:  It's been a common observation of mine when looking at others and sometimes self, to notice that often (but not always) what we accuse and criticize others about, is often a dynamic, aspect, or tendency within that we don't want to be fully aware about ourselves. 

  I believe it's called "projection" in psychology, though i may be wrong. 

  So, when someone loudly and emphatically tells me how fundamentalist i am (as Joe did to me on the food/drink thread a couple of times), i often just shrug and often ignore it.  I bring it up now, since what you said relates to a deeper point, and to a larger spiritual message.

  I believe awareness of this unfriendly E.T. group being involved with the Earth is of particular importance at this point in our evolution.  If Courtney Brown's work and info is to be believed or considered at least, then apparently many Light Beings from many different worlds, including this one, are VERY concerned about the Earth right now in relation to this group.

So aren't the Gray E.T.'s concerned and trying to help us with this issue. 

  Apparently Rosiland McKnight's guidance thought it was an important issue, otherwise, why would they have mentioned it a couple of different times?

  Even without the support of other, outer sources like the above, i would still talk about this issue because my intuition and conscience tells me that it's an important issue for humanity to become aware of now.

  Btw, i've just started to read up and research on John Mack and his hypnotherapist work with people who had been abducted. 

  What he says and learned, confirms a lot of what Courtney Brown learned through his adapted remote viewings. 

  Even though he initially thought that the Grays might be malevolent because of their abductions of humans and the traumatic effects on their conscious selves, he later learned once these people worked through their fear, that often there was a spiritual connection between these folks and the Grays. 

  I find John Mack MD to be a credible source since he was the head of the psychiatry department at Harvard Medical School for a number of years, was a very well educated man with a very respected reputation (until he started to talk about this out there stuff), and put that reputation on the line.

  In some ways, he reminds me of Bob Monroe.  Because both men had a good, worldly reputation, and put their reps on the line when they came out with their "weird" ideas and experiences.

  John Mack received A LOT of intense criticism and denouncement after he came out with his research into these areas. 

  Interestingly, i first read that he died from a car accident.  I had the intuition that maybe it wasn't an "accident". 

  Then a bit later, i found out more specifically that he died as a result of a hit and run.  Bloody convenient that one of the most credible and outspoken people in this field, died this way and that our Gov. and groups connected to same really don't want this info to be believed by the masses. 

  A firm belief or knowing about the reality of E.T.'s and their involvement with the Earth, could potentially change so much in our way of life here and our perceptions. 

  For one, it would potentially wipe out the energy business, because we could get technology from E.T.'s which made our finite, polluting, and limited resourced energy a thing of the past, and people wouldn't have to pay very much for what would be mostly free and clean energy. 

  Think how much the energy industry of today would just love that idea of all those billions of dollars going down the tube. 

   Anyways, there would be so many fundamental changes to our society and ways of thinking and perceiving, that those in power who do know about this reality, want to suppress the more full and complete knowledge of as long as they can for reasons of selfishness and materialism.  In short they like an ignorant and dumbed down peoples because they are easier to manipulate.

  So yes, i think it's likely that John Mack was purposely killed, rather than some random accident.

  I think i will start a thread about this E.T. issue somewhere.