Right, and lots of people end up in lower realms after they die.

serenesam wrote on Mar 31^st, 2011 at 9:06am:

It isn't a matter of elitism.

Certainly it is better to treat others with love and respect rather than in negative ways.

If a person spent his life living according to attributes such as hate, anger, arrogance, self-centerdness, revenge, etc., then quite naturally he would develop in such a way.

On the other hand, if a person lived his life according to qualities such as humility, respect for others, service to others and love, then quite naturally he would develop in such a way.

Each person, after death, would end up in a realm that matches his overall state of mind.

Just as it is quite unpleasant to see people treat each other in a negative way, it is very unpleasant to be in a realm where spirits do the same.

Just as it is beautiful to see people treat each other with love and respect, it is beautiful to be in a spirit realm where spirit beings do the same.

Sure we're all part of the same oneness, but certainly it is better when beings acknowledge the preciousness of other beings and respond accordingly than it is when they have no concern (and in some case ill will) towards others.

If a being such as Lucifer existed, he would try to twist things by trying to make it seem as if all is equal, by bringing up something such as an elitist argument.

New ageism has been poisoned by the virus of moral relativism.

recoverer wrote on Apr 6^th, 2011 at 1:04pm:


As someone who also is a member of the Zeitgeist Movement particularly intrigued by the third movie "Zeitgeist: Moving Forward" - (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Z9WVZddH9w), behavior is environmentally conditioned. There is also a gene called "the warrior gene" in which outbursts and rage may be more susceptible. Of course, it takes the right environmental context to trigger such bad behavior but keep in mind that when the soul returns back to the God Source, what is in then? What state is it in? And I believe the answer to that is LOVE!

The so-called person you label as being "bad" is a part of you as it is a part of me as it is a part of everything else. It is ALL THAT IS - perfectionism in its OMNI-PRESENCE.

I believe that all beings either directly or indirectly come from the same divine source. Therefore, eventually (hopefully) all of them find their way back.

Nevertheless, this doesn't mean that it is just as preferable to do things that harm others as it is do things that benefit others.

Even if a person does channel a being named Lucifer, and Lucifer is presently manifesting in an evil way, why would somebody want to listen to what such a being has to say? The words of a being with malicious intent can't be trusted. It will fool as many people as well allow themselves to be fooled. Twisted logic isn't accurate no matter how clever it seems....to some people.

One thing that is clear is that there is far too much negativity in this world. There is no way for example that many women want be beaten repeatedly by abusive men or that many children want to be forced into prostitution.

Rather, it is a matter of negative minded people and the dark beings who influence some of them getting their way.

Why allow this to continue? Why listen to the untrustworthy and misleading words of an evil-minded being?

When it comes to the oneness, do beings who intentionally harm others have the welfare of the oneness in mind, or are they trying to prevent it from reaching a state of perfection? The more they succeed the more unnecessary suffering people and other beings will have to go through.

recoverer wrote on Apr 6^th, 2011 at 4:17pm:


Lots of people are influenced by evil and will not only listen to it but some of them will even kill you for disagreeing. Psychopaths for example, are almost always not-treatable.

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And because of such negativity, children emulate and follow that kind of behavior.