Does it help sending these aliens PUL?

Justin:

Some people might say that Becky's mind simply created what she dreamt based on what you told her.

But if they consider closely what Becky experienced, they might see that she was provided with details that are "very" possibly beyond what her imagination came up with.

Specifically, the part where she was injected with something that would repel people from her who are controlled by the unfriendly aliens. It could be that the unfriendly aliens don't want her to influence the people they controll in a positive way.

This leads to something that relates to what PauliEffect asked about. The unfriendly aliens wouldn't be concerned about Becky being a positive influence for the people they control if these people didn't have the ability to become free of their influence.

It has been made clear to me numerous times through experiences and spirit messages I received that we have the say as to whether or not we are influenced by unfriendly beings, we just need to become conscious enought to sieze such control.

In his book "Passport to the Cosmos" David Mack wrote about three people who were influenced by Reptilians until they took control and started to send them PUL. The Reptilians couldn't handle the PUL.

recoverer wrote on Jan 30^th, 2011 at 6:37pm:


  I should have pointed this out awhile ago, but in my original post i mentioned not talking to her at length about this issue at the time, but talking here at this site at length about this issue. 

   Becky was not aware then before she had the above dream, that i had talked so much about that hindering E.T. group here.  She does not post here and rarely ever reads this site, and i don't always tell her what exactly i've been posting and saying here. 

It was like her Guidance and/or Expanded self was responding to this situation and confirming the truth of it for me, via her dream message. 

This is actually kind of a common occurrence between us both.  Our respective guidance uses each other to get across important messages or confirmations for each other.  While i sometimes complain about being married to my Twin Soul (can be testing at times), ultimately, i'm quite a lucky man! 

Wonderer wrote on Feb 29^th, 2012 at 11:02am:


Your welcome.  Both, but if you have potential to affect a lot of positive change of a spiritual nature, they will concentrate and focus on you.  But once you attune to PUL enough, you start to automatically repel them in a direct sense.  Then they switch tactics and try to get to you through others--especially those close to you, those with authority or material power, or others than can affect you.

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  Be aware of them and their influence without fear (especially through direct guidance), and Love them for in a sense, "they know not what they do."  They are part of us and we of them, they are fellow Children of our Creator just as much as we are. Pray that they may change their ways and learn to become happy and loving in nature.  Once you get more direct guidance, then speak of them without being concerned with what others will say about you, though of course in appropriate places and contexts, like at sites like these. 

Getting one's butt in spiritual gear is the most effective way to counter balance them.  This means the right kinds of meditation, prayer, the right diet and health lifestyle (health promoting obviously), partaking in holistic service activities, dropping all hindering activities like getting drunk, high, looking at porn or indulging one's sex drive beyond the necessity to vent hormonal drives, gambling, etc., etc. 

Basically, a total holistic attunement to Love and a disciplined dedication of self to service of the Creator, Creation, and Humanity.  Positive and spiritual E.T. groups are numerous and more than willing to help in counter balancing the hindering group.  They wish humans would become more consciously aware of this issue.  They have sent some of their own in directly as humans to help others become more aware of these issues.

  We all have the same potential to become like Yeshua (Jesus), we just have to choose to live like he did.  We can do it!  It might not come in this present life, but every effort, every choice we choose to the positive and Loving, gets us closer and creates a habit of positivity and makes it easier and easier for us to build up that Christ Consciousness within our Heart and Minds. 

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   Just look at all the ancient history from around the world.  Virtually every culture of the past speaks of something akin to "demons" that are non human in nature, but of negative intent.  Many refer to them as "Dragons".  Dragons while not completely accurate, is a somewhat decent description for those who didn't know better.   

  The most negatively intentioned group is a group whose bodies look quite reptilian in nature, and since they fly around high in the sky in vehicles that can shoot lazers and fires of all kind, then dragons is not a bad description.   

   Bob Monroe's long time Explorer, Rosiland A. McKnight, in her book "Cosmic Journey's" outlining her guidance sessions, well her guidance outlined some about a particular E.T. group that was negative in intentions toward us and which we would eventually, around the 2500 year mark, have a full out and out war with, but that we would get some help from the positive E.T.'s. 

   Remote Viewer Courtney Brown Phd wrote two interesting books which you can download for free on one of his sites.  I highly recommend his second book, because it talks about the negative E.T. group.  He was someone, who btw, took the Gateway Voyage program at The Monroe Institute.  He also started up an Institute of his own in Georgia called the "Farsight Institute." 

  Oliver from this site recently shared a link that you might find interesting. It's all about the Bible, but looking at it in a more objective and analytical way and more at the original words and languages and the real meanings of it.  The author of said site and articles comes to the conclusion that the Bible has a lot to do with E.T.'s, both friendly and spiritual and also negative and misleading. 

In fact, it seems that one of the messages of the Bible is that there is an ongoing space war between these groups, with Earth and humanity kind of stuck in the middle.  Both sides are fighting over this Earth. 

Interestingly, this is what Courtney Brown and his fellow Remote Viewers also found out in their remote viewings.  The more humans who become aware of these issues and without fear, and the more who become part of the solution, the better it will be for all involved. 

Here is that site btw: http://www.biblerealitycheck.com/

  I don't agree with all conclusions of the author in the above, but he makes a lot of good points.  A lot of words in the modern bibles of today are not well translated, and he points out certain ones like "heaven", should really be translated as "outer space", the cosmos, or the like. 

  I've done the "nonduality", repeating to self over and over again that "everything is One" thing.  While this is true, i've become aware that one can get stuck in this, and become over Yin imbalanced.  Yin is that of passiveness, and allowing things to happen, and not being an active agent or force of change and activity. 

  I've begun to suspect that this negative E.T. group is quite involved with promoting belief systems here on Earth which incline us to over passiveness and not being involved with the active Retrieval efforts of a suffering world. 

  They like "non duality" concepts, because it contains enough truth (the truth of Oneness) to hook us, but misleads us by making us think that all will work out for the best no matter what we do or don't do.  That is one of the most harmful spiritual lies promoted on this Earth. 

  This is very much a battle between those that would see us limited, weak, and stuck and those that would free us and see us become Co-Creator Gods like they and Yeshua are. We, as humans, can help out in this and we must help out in this by the methods i outlined in the above.

  Thank you for showing an interest Wonderer, and definitely seek your own guidance on this issue under the more ideal circumstances (during more deep meditation and while asking for help and guidance from only the most Source and PUL attuned sources, and while remembering the feelings of Love and/or Gratitude). 

To whoever reads this:
Sadly und with surprisedly noted that Justin left the forum just now.
As I looked for his latest contributions, I came across this one.
Want to remark about what he wrote about the possibly deluding effects of the view of "non-duality".
The danger when misunderstanding it is really as he says.
But it is a misunderstanding.
Non-duality is not about becoming passive, not at all, it is about seeing the whole picture.
We are all part of it, and we are all very very connected, more than anyone can think of.
This whole creation universe is about action, and seeing it in non-duality makes it even more vivid.
Seeing in non-duality is seeing from the viewpoint of LOVE and compassion.
When we see clearly - or "claivoyantly" - we see that we are each of us, and then we may act like the cells in our body which do not think and act selfishly, but always for the good of each other and of the whole system.

Have also read Ramana and Nisargadatta.
What you write in your article, feels like a very mental view on the subject.
Understandable, sure.
I also was a very inquisitive truth-seeker, and also got frustrated, but my principle was never to think that I know something 100%, only max. 99%, so I left me a backdoor for any unlikely case whatsoever. 
I experienced a state of blissful "nonduality" or stillness in 2003 for ca. 6 weeks, but deluded myself in it, and the self-delusion finally became more and more, until I lost the blissful non-thinking non-duality state, and was very very sad and frustrated thereof.
However, I'm very cautious with my mind, I try to get a clearer view of reality by stepping a step back, into the background, and watch vigilantly, like a hunter, patiently, not moving, not making a sound.

I found that this non-duality cannot be grasped intellectually, it escapes any willfull attempts to attain it. The more one wants it, the farther away it is.
However, there is a lot of conceptionalization about it, which is paradoxical, and there is also a lot of false ideas and self-delusion about it. Many people think they understand it, but there is nothing to understand, it is totally beyond the mind, and that is simply too frustrating for the mind to accept.
But it can be felt with an open and loving and compassionate heart. Then the heart can see, and if the mind becomes humble and surrenders to the heart and lets itself become a servant to the heart, then it can see also.

greetings!

Oliver:

If you deeply consider some of the things I wrote (as available at my site) you'll see that I'm not being limited by my intellect.

Sometimes nondual gurus use that intellect thing to make it so their followers don't question the inaccuracies of what they teach. As far as I'm concerned such gurus might as well tell their followers that they are too stupid to understand the viewpoints expoused by their gurus. By the way, a big part of being with a guru is not doubting what he or she says.

If we are going to understand something, to some extent we have to use our mind. Such an approach isn't limited to intellect and psychological conditioning. I once had an experience where not only did I understand that the afterlife exists, I completely understood how it is possible for it to exist. It was an automatic and certain knowing that didn't require me to think in the way people often do so.

Yet, this understanding wasn't independent of the mind aspect of being.  Rather I was plugged into source/awareness in a way where I understood its comprehensive viewpoint. It was able to understand in such a way because it allowed itself to use its mind aspect of being so it could thoroughly and clearly understand what it is aware of.

There are many nondual teachers that don't seem to understand how important the mind aspect of being is. Instead they'll keep repeating things such as "you aren't your mind...you aren't your mind, you're only awareness." If they would consider things deeper they would understand that just because we can use our minds in an inefficient way, this doesn't mean that our minds are our enemy and have nothing to do with who we are.

I don't know why, but the edit feature isn't working now, so I ended up quoting myself rather than editing my post.

i see your point.
i also feel annoyed by people who repeat advaita slogans in mantra-like manner, saying things like "and who does it experience?" in every second sentence.
difficult to communicate with them when getting always useless comments on everything you say.

the teachers who preach non-duality all the time, maybe they feel it to be their mission, and maybe people get attracted to them until they heard enough and got the point and then go on their own ways.

i was for some years attending a guru's satsangs and retreats, and most the time, and more and more, i didn't listen to the talks anymore, i was content to sit in the teacher's presence and feel the "energy field", i would have preferred the teacher not to talk at all, but sit silently in meditation.

i'm not saying that mind and thinking are bad and no-mind and non-thinking good, i like to have both, sometimes i get weary of the thinking and then want stillness and peace, and when i had enough rest in no-mind, then i want action again, or something in me wants to do something creative.

observing my mind and ego and states of consciousness, i noticed that there are different modes, and that not all modes are useful in all conditions.
for example the rational thinking is useful in certain conditions. it is blocking the other modes of consciousness, which is useful for some things, but detrimental for some other things.

your experience of source/awareness (beautiful!), that would also be a mode of consciousness, or of mind, but the word "mind" is over-used for too many different things, and this can lead to lots of misunderstandings.
some people think that "mind" means the "ego-mind's half-conscious conditioned thinking processes", and call it a bad thing.
when regarding "mind" as a personal awareness in the space of consciousness, then it's much different view of the term "mind", much different from that other view.
and then there are many other meanings and connotations.

Sometimes it seems as if language is an invention of the devil. Telepathy would be the direct way of communi(cati)on without all those misunderstandings.
Do you remember in Bruce Moen's and Bob Monroe's books about the extraterrestrian race which is telepathic? It has advantages and disadvantages to be a telepathic race. The advantage is that they can work in group consciousness and have greater power of information processing and awareness. The disadvantages is that they are limited in the range of their experiences, and that might be the reason why we humans here on earth are non-telepathic or semi-telepathic. I think we do have these telepathic possibilities, it is there in the subconscious, and we could activate it if we want, and often we use it unconsciously. Maybe we evolve towards more freedom and individual soverignty and awareness, and then can use more of our potential, and can also work with group consciousness when we want, and use even more modes of consciousness.
I'm a great fan of evolution!

p.s.: editing works again!

Telepathic beings:
Yes, i read all books of Bruce and also of Bob.
I found that telepathy is the norm, not the exception, and that we still have it, it is due to the separation of awake-consciousness/sub-consciousness that our awake-consciousness can pretend to ignore it or be unaware of it, while still using it subconsciously in communication and other areas.

Gurus:
Good analysis! Yes, that may be so.
There are ego-traps on all levels of so-called spiritual development. There is always opportunity for self-delusion and clinging to phenomena, as long as there are phenomena perceived subjectively. One who tries to get through those pitfalls must be extremely cautious and self-reflective, always doing reality checks and questioning oneself.
It is like a scientific project where we ourselves are the instruments for our scientific research, we fine-tune the instruments and do experiments and observe the results with as little manipulation as we can.
You know of course that thoughts and all sorts of energy movements in consciousness do influence our perceived reality. Even natural scientists like physicists have found that.
So the difficulty is to influence the object of observation as little as possible. When we think and/or have emotions or both together, then we create ripples in the fabric of reality, and those ripples interact with our perception in a sort of feedback-loop, it actually creates what we call reality, and we want to minimize these effects, so we try to minimize our emotional interest in the outcome of our experiments, and at the same time maximize the alertness of our senses.

Here's another story.

With the group I used to belong to there was one Satsang that was attended by a man who was a spiritual teacher. At the time he had a small number of followers. He told the guru I used to see that he teaches others even though he isn't enlightened because he likes the love he receives from his followers. The guru I used to see was able to relate to what he said (I wonder why ) and told the guy that such an approach will delay his spiritual progress.

After Satsang I ended up speaking to this guy and he was speaking as if he was enlightened. I could tell that this wasn't true at all. He was very assertive. A few years later I saw an adverstisement for his guru-based center. Apparently, he deluded himself to whatever extent was necessary so he could follow his desire to be a guru and receive adoration from his followers.  In a way such an approach isn't any different than people who try to obtain adoration from others by being a pop or rock star.

I suppose that eventually his soul will become bored with such a false approach and seek to find love and self worth in a wiser way.

Oliver:

I haven't read that Jack Kornfeld book.

I know of Osho. About 30 years ago I read 3 of his books when he went by the name Rajneesh. 

I don't believe it is good to speak about gurus just for the sake of gossiping. Sometimes it is useful to consider what some of them do partly so we can determine how legit they are and partly so we can develop a better understanding of the psychological traps that exist.

I believe this World would be a better place and soul evolution would be easier if there weren't so many things that lead souls off track. But I guess the universe can't have free will if you put in place too many restrictions.

Or to put in another way, a lot of people don't know how to truly think for themselves.

This applies to obtaining medical help. Quite often people have too much of an attitude of following their doctors blindly. There are some doctors that take a holistic approach that considers mind, body and spirit, but there are many that follow the psychological conditioning that Western medicine includes.  They allow themselves to be overly influenced by what the drug companies are selling.

I wonder how Doctors who take a holistic approach are viewed by other doctors. Not to say that western procedures are never called for. For example, I believe there are some occasions when surgery is probably required.  If a person has a heart attack there might not be time to wait for an alternative approach other than heart surgery.

Regarding free will, I believe we always have it, it is just that sometimes people are so caught up in their psychological conditioning that they don't end up using their free will in a wise way.  Or in other words, they lose touch with their free will. Eventually their souls will evolve so they can use their free will fully and wisely.

Regarding the negative things that happen, I'll compare life to a football game.  Quite often football players get injured without it being desired that they get injured. If you want to be involved with the game of life you have to accept the possibility that things will go wrong at times. However, just as you can try to minimize football injuries by having the players wear protective gear, you can try to minimize the pitfalls of the soul development process by dealing with the factors that interfere. 

I believe we are all connected. I haven't read enough of Jung to know what his collective unconscious theory is all about.

I agree that children need to be allowed to have some freedom when it comes to decisions and their growth.

By the way, Eckart Tolle reminds me of Madonna. She can sing, dance and act a little, but her talent level doesn't match her fame. Similarly, Eckart Tolle might have some good things to say, but his wisdom level doesn't match how famous he is. Sometimes marketing is a factor.

Oliver, just in case anybody has preconceptions about Eckart Tolle:

There was a time in my life when I would've really dug what Tolle has to say. Now that I am more experienced I am able to see that even though he has some good things to say, not everything he says is accurate. Some of it is out of context. Some of it could cause a person to take an extreme approach that isn't productive.

Earlier you wrote that people shouldn't follow authority figures. Tolle refers to himself as enlightened. He speaks of his so-called enlightenment experience. A lot of people end up thinking of supposed enlightened people as if they are infallible. As a result they turn such supposedly enlightened people into authority figures. It is hard to question somebody if one believes that such a person is an infallible authority figure. Some people follow supposed enlightened people blindly just as some people follow doctors blindly. I figure that if one is truly interested in one's spiritual, mental and physical health, one won't follow anybody blindly.

I believe that a wise and responsible person would never present himself as if he is an infallible spiritual teacher because he would understand that if he did the above described kind of trap will probably take place for some people. Many people have given their power away to supposed enlightened people.

Tolle presents himself as if he is an enlightened person, yet he doesn't seem to understand about the above. If he does something such as quote ACIM, some people might assume ACIM is okay because they would assume that he wouldn't refer to ACIM if it isn't legit.

He was interviewed by Andrew Cohen who is one of the most scandalous American Gurus the United States has had. Some people might make the mistake of assuming that Andrew Cohen is trustworthy because they would conclude that an enlightened person wouldn't allow himself to be interviewed by Cohen (for Cohen's magazine) if such a (supposedly) enlightened person didn't believe that Cohen is legit. My feeling is that anybody who has a significant degree of spiritual wisdom wouldn't associate himself with Cohen in such a way. Cohen has been a highly abusive guru. Consider the below links. The books they refer to provide good examples of what it is like to be with an abusive guru.

http://www.themotherofgod.com/

http://www.monkfishpublishing.com/books/enlighten.htm

I agree with Tolle when he says that we need to live in the moment more than we do and to not make our happiness and peace conditional. I've found that the more I've let go of limiting thought patterns the more I've been able to live in my beingness quite naturally. Doing so now feels significantly different than it did years ago. In "The Power of Now" Tolle wrote that there is no point in trying to overcome your fears because they are endless. He said that the only way to overcome fear is to overcome your ego. (I am paraphrasing him because I don't remember his exact words). I believe such an all or nothing approach is a mistake. He might've gotten it from ACIM because it says something similar. The number of fears we have "aren't" endless. I've found that it has been very helpful to overcome some of my fears. If I would've listened to somebody such as Tolle I might not have bothered to deal with specific issues.

If a person isn't careful he (or she) might develop dissociative identity disorder if they follow Tolle's approach in a way that leads to such a result. It is fine to be aware of our spirit selves, but it is a mistake to in some way tell ourselves that we aren't our mind by saying something such as "I am not my mind, I am this presence I feel." The main reason unwanted thoughts appear is because of some underlying psychological condition we haven't taken care of. Such a condition doesn't go away simply by ignoring it and focusing on the now and whatever amount of presence we are able to experience. Eventually we will have to deal with our unwanted thought patterns. The more we do the more we'll be able to abide according to our spirit selves quite naturally.

Some people might say that Tolle doesn't suggest that people do as I described above. I'd say that such people are making a statement that is based on what they have allowed themselves to be aware of. I know of people who have focused their awareness on their presence as much as they could and believe that they have freed themselves from unwanted thought patterns when in fact they haven't. Rather, they have found a way to ignore them and sweep them under the carpet. Eventually the carpet will have to be lifted. Some people get into an all or nothing approach because they don't want to have to deal with their issues. They want a quick fix. They don't want to have to do the work. Below is an example of somebody being influenced by Tolle in the way I just explained.

http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?12,86095

Regarding ego, Tolle takes this is issue to a nondual teaching like extreme and says that there is no such thing as individual being. This isn't true. Our souls are distinct and at one with the oneness at the same time. Until we take responsibility for our issues we won't be able to completely abide with the oneness. The below article delves further into how people can deceive themselves into believing that they don't exist as an individual.

http://nondualityisdualistic.com/articles-2/jeff-foster-advaita-vedanta-and-nond...

I saw a youtube video where a person asked Tolle what happens when we die. He answered that he doesn't know because he hasn't died yet. Some might say that such a response has merit, but if one considers the authority figure factor it could be misleading for some people because they might conclude that if an enlightened person such as Tolle doesn't know what happens after death, then nobody knows. This isn't so because numerous people have had experiences that have given them a fairly good idea of what happens after death. I say "fairly" because people experience death in various ways and it is hard for a living person to know about all of the ways. One thing spirit World experiencers have found is that we can't sweep our psychological issues under the carpet as if they don't have anything to do with us because such issues will play a part in what we experience after we die.

I believe it is a shame that a person who isn't as wise as many people believe has the stature that Tolle has. People who choose to strongly believe according to what he says will be limited accordingly.

On an earlier post I wrote that some people desire to be a guru. If the attached article is true Tolle had this desire. The first few paragraphs are the key paragraphs.

http://www3.telus.net/public/sarlo/Ytolle.htm

Regarding whether in fact he has overcome his ego, a person who claims to know him says this isn't so. Here is a link (the first post).

http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?12,73107




 

Oliver:

Going by the Tolle words you presented and other things he has said, it is clear to me that he has read Jiddu Krishnamurti. Years ago I read a lot of Krishnammurti. Such an approach has some value, but goes only so far. I've noticed that even scandalous gurus are able to use such words.

If something troubles us I believe we should look at the underlying issues closely and deal with them as best as we can so they won't continue to trouble us.  If something in our life situation is troubling us we should fix it as best as we can.

I believe we would find that most situations are fixable.  Even if we have something such as an terminal illness we won't have to suffer if we clearly understand that we don't die when our body dies.

If somebody we care for is suffering and there is nothing we can do to fix his (or her) situation, being with suffering and that ego thing isn't the answer. Such an approach won't do anything for the person we care for. We shouldn't wallow in our concern, but certainly we can care. The best we can do is offer whatever support we can and understand that the day will come when the person we care for will no longer have to suffer as he does. 

Say our friend is in a mental hospital dealing with a very troubling psychological condition. I don't believe it would help much to tell him, "be with your suffering." It would be much better to deal with the root problems.

Regarding who the words came from, I don't agree with the approach of not considering the nature of the source of information.  Lots of people can say some things that sound correct. But what is the overall effect of how they influence people.

In a way, a person who tunes into his presence as best as he can while ignoring his underlying issues isn't much different than a person who ignores his issues by taking heroin. Eventually the day will come when he will have to deal with his issues.

It isn't a matter of the "ego" Tolle speaks of coming to an end. Each of us is a soul that has accumulated knowledge and ways of being. Until we fully accept the reality of our existence and deal with our overall way of being in a wise and harmonious manner, we won't find the perfection we seek.

Oliver:

It seems to me you are saying that I am being intellectual. I believe I am using my discrimination.  When I do so I use my intellect, experience and intuition.

Oliver:

If you have it in mind for me to point my intuition towards Tolle, it says, "not a completely reliable source of information."

I do not believe that intuition can be separated from experience and intellect in the way you suggest. Even if a person uses his intuition to tap into universal mind, universal mind uses its rememberance of what it has experienced and learned and combines this with its ability to consider, reason and think in an intelligent way.

This whole "no mind at all business" comes from gurus who have claimed more wisdom than they have.  They like to diss the mind aspect of being without understanding what it is all about. Sometimes they do so in order to prevent their followers from thoroughly considering what they say. If their followers did so they might find some error in what such gurus say.

Perhaps you are underestimating how much I have looked inward for an answer because you are defining what is possible for me according to preconceptions you picked up while involved with nondual teachings.