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Justin aka Vasya
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dream of ill intentioned E.T.'s & their influence
Jan 29th, 2011 at 3:20pm
 
  This is a somewhat recent dream of Becky's and from her perspective. Interestingly, she had this dream a little while after i had talked at length about these issues here.  It seems to be a confirmation dream from guidance about this issue.  More specifically about how they are influencing some humans to think in more limiting, negative ways and misleading them about important things.

 
"It was dusk and we had seen a craft that had been hovering over a clearing, so we went to go check it out. We were in a little patch of trees next to the small craft hovering over two men and they were communicating with them. I wanted to go investigate but Justin was more cautious and said it probably wasn't a good idea, i went anyways and confronted the space craft.  I remember that i had an impression that i didn't like what they were communicating to the two men, but i don't remember exactly what that was. 

So i started confronting them about how they were trying to manipulate humans, and Justin was still kind of hanging off in the trees when i had run out to confront them. They asked me a series of questions and it seemed like they were trying to gauge how much of a threat i was, rather than being interested in the specific questions or answers.  They were trying to get me to open a bit to see if i would present a challenge to their plans. I knew after that they did think i would cause problems. Then a beam of light materialized and focused onto my 3rd  eye region and they were injecting like a pheromone or chemical into my brain that would mark me as a threat or danger.  They were not happy with my outburst and that i was confronting them, and i struggled hard against it and i knew what they were doing (both to me and humanity) was wrong. Justin tried to save or protect me but i passed out, and when i awoke i knew i had been marked as "different" to some of my fellow humans, and that this pheromone would have the affect to repel others who let themselves be influenced by this E.T. group. It was more an unconscious, instinctive reactive process on their part.  In a sense, it kind of had the effect of putting up their hackles in relation to me."
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Reply #1 - Jan 29th, 2011 at 5:03pm
 
Does it help sending these aliens PUL?
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Reply #2 - Jan 30th, 2011 at 12:54am
 
PauliEffectt wrote on Jan 29th, 2011 at 5:03pm:
Does it help sending these aliens PUL?


  In the direct sense, i don't know.  In the indirect sense it always helps. 

  The more who more so attune to PUL, the easier for all it becomes, and the more it lifts all up. 

  Whether you, i, or anyone, or even a group, "sent" PUL to groups with ill intentions, and it directly influenced them to change is a good question that i don't know the answer to. 

  Either way, it will have some kind of influence in the grand scheme of things, so it's worth partaking in i believe.
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Reply #3 - Jan 30th, 2011 at 6:37pm
 
Justin:

Some people might say that Becky's mind simply created what she dreamt based on what you told her.

But if they consider closely what Becky experienced, they might see that she was provided with details that are "very" possibly beyond what her imagination came up with.

Specifically, the part where she was injected with something that would repel people from her who are controlled by the unfriendly aliens. It could be that the unfriendly aliens don't want her to influence the people they controll in a positive way.

This leads to something that relates to what PauliEffect asked about. The unfriendly aliens wouldn't be concerned about Becky being a positive influence for the people they control if these people didn't have the ability to become free of their influence.

It has been made clear to me numerous times through experiences and spirit messages I received that we have the say as to whether or not we are influenced by unfriendly beings, we just need to become conscious enought to sieze such control.

In his book "Passport to the Cosmos" David Mack wrote about three people who were influenced by Reptilians until they took control and started to send them PUL. The Reptilians couldn't handle the PUL.


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Reply #4 - Feb 2nd, 2011 at 12:48pm
 
  Thank you for the reply Recoverer.  You made some interesting and insightful points. 

  Btw, to clarify, when I answered Pauli's question earlier, i did so in the context of Retrieval.  No doubt PUL is what will make a person non-susceptible to their influence, and also probably tends to have a repelling affect in general, but i'm more interested in whether or not it can help them change for the better.

Recoverer wrote, It has been made clear to me numerous times through experiences and spirit messages I received that we have the say as to whether or not we are influenced by unfriendly beings, we just need to become conscious enought to sieze such control.

  Therein lies the rub.  That can be mighty difficult or easy depending.  All one really has to do, is learn to listen to their true self, and yet so many of us have spent our lives largely deaf to same, or even purposely blocking it out. 
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Reply #5 - Feb 28th, 2012 at 1:56pm
 
recoverer wrote on Jan 30th, 2011 at 6:37pm:
Justin:

Some people might say that Becky's mind simply created what she dreamt based on what you told her.


  I should have pointed this out awhile ago, but in my original post i mentioned not talking to her at length about this issue at the time, but talking here at this site at length about this issue. 

   Becky was not aware then before she had the above dream, that i had talked so much about that hindering E.T. group here.  She does not post here and rarely ever reads this site, and i don't always tell her what exactly i've been posting and saying here. 

It was like her Guidance and/or Expanded self was responding to this situation and confirming the truth of it for me, via her dream message. 

This is actually kind of a common occurrence between us both.  Our respective guidance uses each other to get across important messages or confirmations for each other.  While i sometimes complain about being married to my Twin Soul (can be testing at times), ultimately, i'm quite a lucky man! 
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Reply #6 - Feb 29th, 2012 at 11:02am
 

Thanks for sharing this with us Justin, very interesting!

I did not know/read that there are negative E.T. groups out there. Do they target/influence humanity in general or only a specific few? And what do they do to them? Is there a way to noticed and 'fight' them?

Also, are there any online sources I can read? I'd love to read/know more about them....as they say...."Keep your friends close and your enemies closer"

Thanks!
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Reply #7 - Feb 29th, 2012 at 12:57pm
 
Wonderer wrote on Feb 29th, 2012 at 11:02am:
Thanks for sharing this with us Justin, very interesting!

I did not know/read that there are negative E.T. groups out there. Do they target/influence humanity in general or only a specific few?


Your welcome.  Both, but if you have potential to affect a lot of positive change of a spiritual nature, they will concentrate and focus on you.  But once you attune to PUL enough, you start to automatically repel them in a direct sense.  Then they switch tactics and try to get to you through others--especially those close to you, those with authority or material power, or others than can affect you.

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And what do they do to them? Is there a way to noticed and 'fight' them?


  Be aware of them and their influence without fear (especially through direct guidance), and Love them for in a sense, "they know not what they do."  They are part of us and we of them, they are fellow Children of our Creator just as much as we are. Pray that they may change their ways and learn to become happy and loving in nature.  Once you get more direct guidance, then speak of them without being concerned with what others will say about you, though of course in appropriate places and contexts, like at sites like these. 

Getting one's butt in spiritual gear is the most effective way to counter balance them.  This means the right kinds of meditation, prayer, the right diet and health lifestyle (health promoting obviously), partaking in holistic service activities, dropping all hindering activities like getting drunk, high, looking at porn or indulging one's sex drive beyond the necessity to vent hormonal drives, gambling, etc., etc. 

Basically, a total holistic attunement to Love and a disciplined dedication of self to service of the Creator, Creation, and Humanity.  Positive and spiritual E.T. groups are numerous and more than willing to help in counter balancing the hindering group.  They wish humans would become more consciously aware of this issue.  They have sent some of their own in directly as humans to help others become more aware of these issues.

  We all have the same potential to become like Yeshua (Jesus), we just have to choose to live like he did.  We can do it!  It might not come in this present life, but every effort, every choice we choose to the positive and Loving, gets us closer and creates a habit of positivity and makes it easier and easier for us to build up that Christ Consciousness within our Heart and Minds. 

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Also, are there any online sources I can read? I'd love to read/know more about them....as they say...."Keep your friends close and your enemies closer"

Thanks!


   Just look at all the ancient history from around the world.  Virtually every culture of the past speaks of something akin to "demons" that are non human in nature, but of negative intent.  Many refer to them as "Dragons".  Dragons while not completely accurate, is a somewhat decent description for those who didn't know better.   

  The most negatively intentioned group is a group whose bodies look quite reptilian in nature, and since they fly around high in the sky in vehicles that can shoot lazers and fires of all kind, then dragons is not a bad description.   

   Bob Monroe's long time Explorer, Rosiland A. McKnight, in her book "Cosmic Journey's" outlining her guidance sessions, well her guidance outlined some about a particular E.T. group that was negative in intentions toward us and which we would eventually, around the 2500 year mark, have a full out and out war with, but that we would get some help from the positive E.T.'s. 

   Remote Viewer Courtney Brown Phd wrote two interesting books which you can download for free on one of his sites.  I highly recommend his second book, because it talks about the negative E.T. group.  He was someone, who btw, took the Gateway Voyage program at The Monroe Institute.  He also started up an Institute of his own in Georgia called the "Farsight Institute." 

  Oliver from this site recently shared a link that you might find interesting. It's all about the Bible, but looking at it in a more objective and analytical way and more at the original words and languages and the real meanings of it.  The author of said site and articles comes to the conclusion that the Bible has a lot to do with E.T.'s, both friendly and spiritual and also negative and misleading. 

In fact, it seems that one of the messages of the Bible is that there is an ongoing space war between these groups, with Earth and humanity kind of stuck in the middle.  Both sides are fighting over this Earth. 

Interestingly, this is what Courtney Brown and his fellow Remote Viewers also found out in their remote viewings.  The more humans who become aware of these issues and without fear, and the more who become part of the solution, the better it will be for all involved. 

Here is that site btw: http://www.biblerealitycheck.com/

  I don't agree with all conclusions of the author in the above, but he makes a lot of good points.  A lot of words in the modern bibles of today are not well translated, and he points out certain ones like "heaven", should really be translated as "outer space", the cosmos, or the like. 

  I've done the "nonduality", repeating to self over and over again that "everything is One" thing.  While this is true, i've become aware that one can get stuck in this, and become over Yin imbalanced.  Yin is that of passiveness, and allowing things to happen, and not being an active agent or force of change and activity. 

  I've begun to suspect that this negative E.T. group is quite involved with promoting belief systems here on Earth which incline us to over passiveness and not being involved with the active Retrieval efforts of a suffering world. 

  They like "non duality" concepts, because it contains enough truth (the truth of Oneness) to hook us, but misleads us by making us think that all will work out for the best no matter what we do or don't do.  That is one of the most harmful spiritual lies promoted on this Earth. 

  This is very much a battle between those that would see us limited, weak, and stuck and those that would free us and see us become Co-Creator Gods like they and Yeshua are. We, as humans, can help out in this and we must help out in this by the methods i outlined in the above.

  Thank you for showing an interest Wonderer, and definitely seek your own guidance on this issue under the more ideal circumstances (during more deep meditation and while asking for help and guidance from only the most Source and PUL attuned sources, and while remembering the feelings of Love and/or Gratitude). 
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Reply #8 - Mar 1st, 2012 at 4:21am
 

Thank you for your elaborate answer Justin! Off to do some reading now Wink

Cheers
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Reply #9 - Mar 1st, 2012 at 1:58pm
 
To whoever reads this:
Sadly und with surprisedly noted that Justin left the forum just now.
As I looked for his latest contributions, I came across this one.
Want to remark about what he wrote about the possibly deluding effects of the view of "non-duality".
The danger when misunderstanding it is really as he says.
But it is a misunderstanding.
Non-duality is not about becoming passive, not at all, it is about seeing the whole picture.
We are all part of it, and we are all very very connected, more than anyone can think of.
This whole creation universe is about action, and seeing it in non-duality makes it even more vivid.
Seeing in non-duality is seeing from the viewpoint of LOVE and compassion.
When we see clearly - or "claivoyantly" - we see that we are each of us, and then we may act like the cells in our body which do not think and act selfishly, but always for the good of each other and of the whole system.
Cry
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Reply #10 - Mar 2nd, 2012 at 2:07pm
 
People have different viewpoints of what "nonduality"  means. I was involved with such teachings for quite a while and have kept up to date with what's going on. Here's an article I wrote where I tried to summarize my thoughts and feelings about nondual teachings.

http://nondualityisdualistic.com/articles-2012/nondual-teachings-my-likes-and-di...
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Reply #11 - Mar 2nd, 2012 at 6:55pm
 
Have also read Ramana and Nisargadatta.
What you write in your article, feels like a very mental view on the subject.
Understandable, sure.
I also was a very inquisitive truth-seeker, and also got frustrated, but my principle was never to think that I know something 100%, only max. 99%, so I left me a backdoor for any unlikely case whatsoever. 
I experienced a state of blissful "nonduality" or stillness in 2003 for ca. 6 weeks, but deluded myself in it, and the self-delusion finally became more and more, until I lost the blissful non-thinking non-duality state, and was very very sad and frustrated thereof.
However, I'm very cautious with my mind, I try to get a clearer view of reality by stepping a step back, into the background, and watch vigilantly, like a hunter, patiently, not moving, not making a sound.

I found that this non-duality cannot be grasped intellectually, it escapes any willfull attempts to attain it. The more one wants it, the farther away it is.
However, there is a lot of conceptionalization about it, which is paradoxical, and there is also a lot of false ideas and self-delusion about it. Many people think they understand it, but there is nothing to understand, it is totally beyond the mind, and that is simply too frustrating for the mind to accept.
But it can be felt with an open and loving and compassionate heart. Then the heart can see, and if the mind becomes humble and surrenders to the heart and lets itself become a servant to the heart, then it can see also.

greetings!
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Reply #12 - Mar 2nd, 2012 at 7:01pm
 
Btw, "nirvana and samsara are one", that means the distinction between nonduality and duality is itself a duality.
Nonduality and duality are just the two sides of one coin, none of them is better than the other, and both are necessary for each other, and together it is the creation.
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Reply #13 - Mar 3rd, 2012 at 3:28pm
 
Oliver:

If you deeply consider some of the things I wrote (as available at my site) you'll see that I'm not being limited by my intellect.

Sometimes nondual gurus use that intellect thing to make it so their followers don't question the inaccuracies of what they teach. As far as I'm concerned such gurus might as well tell their followers that they are too stupid to understand the viewpoints expoused by their gurus. By the way, a big part of being with a guru is not doubting what he or she says.

If we are going to understand something, to some extent we have to use our mind. Such an approach isn't limited to intellect and psychological conditioning. I once had an experience where not only did I understand that the afterlife exists, I completely understood how it is possible for it to exist. It was an automatic and certain knowing that didn't require me to think in the way people often do so.

Yet, this understanding wasn't independent of the mind aspect of being.  Rather I was plugged into source/awareness in a way where I understood its comprehensive viewpoint. It was able to understand in such a way because it allowed itself to use its mind aspect of being so it could thoroughly and clearly understand what it is aware of.

There are many nondual teachers that don't seem to understand how important the mind aspect of being is. Instead they'll keep repeating things such as "you aren't your mind...you aren't your mind, you're only awareness." If they would consider things deeper they would understand that just because we can use our minds in an inefficient way, this doesn't mean that our minds are our enemy and have nothing to do with who we are.
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Reply #14 - Mar 3rd, 2012 at 3:33pm
 
recoverer wrote on Mar 3rd, 2012 at 3:28pm:
Oliver:

If you deeply consider some of the things I wrote (as available at my site) you'll see that I'm not being limited by my intellect.

Sometimes nondual gurus use that intellect thing to make it so their followers don't question the inaccuracies of what they teach. As far as I'm concerned such gurus might as well tell their followers that they are too stupid to understand the viewpoints expoused by their gurus. By the way, a big part of being with a guru is not doubting what he or she says.

If we are going to understand something, to some extent we have to use our mind. Such an approach isn't limited to intellect and psychological conditioning. I once had an experience where not only did I understand that the afterlife exists, I completely understood how it is possible for it to exist. It was an automatic and certain knowing that didn't require me to think in the way people often do so.

Yet, this understanding wasn't independent of the mind aspect of being.  Rather I was plugged into source/awareness in a way where I understood its comprehensive viewpoint. It was able to understand in such a way because it allowed itself to use its mind aspect of being so it could thoroughly and clearly understand what it is aware of.

There are many nondual teachers that don't seem to understand how important the mind aspect of being is. Instead they'll keep repeating things such as "you aren't your mind...you aren't your mind, you're only awareness." If they would consider things deeper they would understand that just because we can use our minds in an inefficient way, this doesn't mean that our minds are our enemy and have nothing to do with who we are. 


As far as I'm concerned it is dualistic to say that truth is beyond the mind, since the mind aspect of being is just as much a part of who we are as the awareness aspect is. To try to separate the two, you might as well try to separate wetness from water.

Rather than thinking in terms of "no mind," it is better to think in terms of "large mind."
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