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I think that what is important is to explore things for yourself, examine the truths in your life, and not be a blind follower of any guru, be it conventional religion or Abraham-Hicks wackos.  I think Cervantes said in Don Quixote something like "there is no book or text so bad that there is not something good to be found in it."  This could be said about the Abraham-Hicks books/sessions or information.  But that doesn't mean one should blindly follow all the guidance. 

There are certain laws, such as the law of attraction which can be verified by any of us, through deep introspection and examination of our own lives.  Esther Hicks and Hubby teach this, but charge a lot, and get blind followers because she claims to be channeling.  What is it about channelers?  Why do the masses believe that an alleged (and I do mean alleged) noncorporeal being somehow has a better bead on what the big picture is than we do?  Why are Hicks-Abraham, Seth and Ramtha doted on as if they have a superior spirituality?   If spirituality is truly judged by how close we are to PUL - love of others and God, then I see no reason to look to a channeler for information.  There are plenty of loving people and texts out there.

I believe that many of these channelers take morsels of truth, and use it for profit or distort it.  Imagine telling a woman who had lost three babies that she must have attracted that misery into her life somehow!  Ridiculous.  While the law of attraction explains much, any thinking person will know there are limits.  A tsunami comes in South East Asia and kills 230,000 people all at once.  The Abraham Hicks crowd might say that those who died attracted death or misfortune into their lives.  But a more realistic view is that apart from the law of attraction and karma is a law of random energy; that is that in the physical world, there are also random events that occur that ripple with and interact with our lives and energies - whether we want them to or not.  Life is not completely scripted.  When 66,000 people were obliterated at Hiroshima, or tens of millions died during WWII, one can not glibly apply it all to karma or the law of attraction. 

Clearly there are random energies, disasters and catastrophes that act separately from our intentions. 


Matthew

Matthew 7:7

Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you.

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Isn't that the "Law of Attraction" in another form?

Hi Lucy,

Yes, I think that quote and others about intent/faith found in the NT is spot on.  For me, my interpretation is not that every specific minute detail has been asked for on some level.   Only our general state of being. 

There are too many interactions with the energies of others, and random earth events (tsunamis, fires, etc.).  The idea that everything is pre-planned by us before we live would take away the fun and exploration of being incarnate here on earth.  So, no, for me, I don't believe that everything in our lives comes by the law of attraction - just many things, and our general state.

I think it is horrendous to say that if one is ill or loses three pregnancies, she must have "asked for it" subconsciously.  Or that a rape victim must have been a rapist or needed to go through that.  The law of attraction is in effect, but it doesn't take into account our interactions with others, and their own intent and energies. 

Matthew

I don't believe Jesus had some get rich plan in mind. I believe it would be more accurate to say that if you open your mind and heart to God's love and light, you'll be provided accordingly.


Lucy wrote on Dec 30^th, 2010 at 3:49am:

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Does that explain the difference between Eckhart Tolle and James Oroc?

Matthew-

Excellent post. 

There is so much fraud and so many scams out there, and for most of us they are all very transparent. 

What mystifies me, however, is the mindset of those who buy into them.  I suspect there are many reasons, probably mostly among people who are looking for a way out of a rough time they are having with their own lives.

In today's Washington Post, there is an article about a woman who is convinced the rapture will take place on May 21 of this year, followed by the earth's destruction on October 21.  Her website http://www.wecanknow.com seems articulate enough, but I'd love to see a psychiatric profile of her.  I hope the Post does a follow-up with her on May 22.

As Albert has noted many times, these so-called gurus are almost always motivated by money and sex.  And there is never a shortage of people willing to give them both.

R

Lucy,

"For me, one problem to discussing this is that I seem to want a higher-level explanation of what's going on than many others do. I always think there is some meta-level from which I can view all this and get a better picture leading to a deeper understanding."

A tip is focus 27/the park/reception area and then the intent to seek knowledge about specifics about life on earth. Why not beyond f27, sure, but still lots of info pertaining to familiar questions and other interesting topics on f27.

Rondele,

"http://www.wecanknow.com"
"I hope the Post does a follow-up with her on May 22."

Judgement day delayed, or still under construction? - See a bible quote that says a day was appointed by old beardie to judge the world. That will be the day. I predict that business as usual will change at some point. Don't have the exact date, but.. probably a monday at around 07.00, just in time for the alarm clock not to ring, and work no more.