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Reply #15 - May 24^th, 2010 at 7:03pm

5/24/2010 - afternoon session:

The ego is now hunkering down for a major fight…

Some how the ego made me miss program my session and I aborted after the I/P segment.

Revised mix ~

Potpourri session: disc 1: cut 1 relaxation, cut 6. Interpreter/preceiver;

Relaxation phase:

Things are really happening in the relaxation phase… fundamental body is like jello… the heart chakra is sputtering nicely… seems one could eventually project just using the relaxation cut… I don’t know how long it would take but it looks like this is quite possible. But I suspect it is necessary to learn diaphragmatic breathing… this is the key… there is stuff happening in the breathing phase I can’t really explain.

Interpreter/perceiver cut:

The chakral progression in my case is amazingly varied and easy to miss (because of the stochastic nature of this work I think I am mistaken when I say everyone must go thru this progression… this may not be the case since… RB… found a separate sex chakra… which suggests that everyone doesn’t have to trigger it… ) but I was surprised when I began to hear the ‘wedding song’ clearly a sex chakra signal… the navel chakra (food)… the tiered wedding cake… heart chakra… the art of wedding reception band music… this is simply amazing to experience and ‘get it’. I suspect this is not easy to ‘get’.
The Third Eye turned on with brow point and cranial activity… possibly the crown chakra was beginning to activate…

What I don’t understand is the last segment of the sequence was a television screen and a football game in progress… red jersey’d team and a team in white… no clue about this… energy???

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Reply #16 - May 25^th, 2010 at 10:58am

5/24/2010 - evening session:

First two conditions for an o.b.e.:

1. 100% relaxation
2. Quiet mind

If I get any more relaxed I will disappear, but, I am not really quieting my mind. The JOOB discs are designed to help with the o.b.e. therefore I am dropping the gateway fss disc and substituting the joob - d disc.

Revised mix ~

Potpourri session: disc 1: cut 1 relaxation, cut 6. Interpreter/preceiver; joob d-disc.

Relaxation phase:

Nice deep relaxation with this caveat… I realized I am TOO awake physically, too well rested… and the depth is not what it can be…

Interpreter/perceiver cut:

Don’t recall anything from the I/p…

JOOB:

Very smooth… silent… but still no banana…

S.

Morning of 5/25/2010 - Dream:

(This may be a function of NCIS LA and two major automatic weapons gun fights in the program… am I simple processing the program??)

I am involved in a major brawl of sub-culture (in NCIS they were battling Rumanians)… biker types, but, the interesting thing is my solar plexus chakra was not tense but kind of flowing energy… not what it should be or could be but better than the last few days…

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Reply #17 - May 25^th, 2010 at 1:39pm

5/25/2010 - morning session:

This has taken a long time to accomplish, but, I think I have the proper mix now. When you read that the fundamental body was moving it could be that it is the expanded energy body attempting to generate the rtx - double… when the shifting is in conjunction with the heart chakra activating or rather sputtering..

Revised mix ~

Potpourri session: JOOB disc set: relaxation disc; akg disc 1: cut 6. Interpreter/preceiver; JOOB - A disc (here the ‘ego‘ tripped me up… and I put in the Monroe introduction lecture… but I didn‘t abort it I listened)

Relaxation phase:

I now surmise the reason this didn’t work before was I never got to the relaxed state necessary to fulfill the first condition for an obe… I.e… 100% Relaxation. The vibrations started to come in… fundamental energy body shifts, expanded energy body creates the fuzzy halo at the same time the heart chakra begins to sputter…

Interpreter/perceiver cut:

See a little boy standing facing me… (now I wonder is this my rtz-double and I missed it??) But, the interpreter brought up an early childhood sex incident (sex chakra activating??) came up (deleted)…

Error of disc Monroe lecture:

I decided not to abort… it was essentially the first book JOOB… but, that didn’t stop the vibrations or the fundmental energy body and expanded energy body and the heart chakra from attempting to do their job…

I now have the right mix I think… going forward… may tweet it a bit…

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Reply #18 - May 26^th, 2010 at 12:09pm

5/26/2010 - morning dream:

Interesting developement in the weeks evolution... I am seated on a street with my psychiatrist having an open air session... outside of a restaurant???... as I am discussing my material behind me inside the restaurant a major ruckus is taking place... a battle royal... this may important... I am seated against a concrete wall... the restaurant is behind the wall... I awoke with solar plexus chakra calm...

... not sure how to interpret this... but the next few days or weeks might shed some light on it...

Have I cleared the solar plexus chakra... ???

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Reply #19 - May 27^th, 2010 at 10:46am

Seraphis1 wrote on May 22^nd, 2010 at 9:35pm:

5/21/2010 - afternoon session:

FSS:

…saw a demon’s head it was green oval with button eyes… I was slightly startled but not unduely fearful… I don’t think its preventing the exit…

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Seraphis1 wrote on May 22^nd, 2010 at 9:35pm:

There is something important about that demon head… this is the second time I’ve seen it… it is residing in my solar plexus chakra… I have very disturbing dreams connected with confrontations with malevolent people and when I awake the upright part of the solar plexus is very sore… it resides in the phrenic plexus, suprarenal plexus and the lineal plexus… the question is how to dissolve it… its power has diminished since Guidelines first detected it’s Dominatrix projection… she’s gone… but the underlying matrix is represented by this demon head… my recently acquired bodyguard has handled him once… but he churns up disturbing effects… this is a significant “agent smith” effect…

S.
The plot thickens: this demon control of those three solar plexus gateways is responsible for my inability to really enjoy an idyllic environment… peace and tranquility makes me uncomfortable… and tend to hold suspect the ‘airy fairy’ new age sentimentality… new age music, like meta music grates on me… and doesn’t relax me but disturbs me… poring unconditional love into this area can only help… but the question is what holds this thing together… and blocks this passage… how to dissolve it…???

To know the right question is the beginning of finding the right answer… this is a major development…!! Outstanding…

S.

Hi: Have I come full circle on the demon head. Can it really be this quick and without a lot of complex work to unravel?

This morning’s dream:

I’m in a football game… the ball is snapped?? It is pitched out to me… begin an end run… student body right style… the blocking is perfect I turn the corner and begin running in the clear to the goal line… did I score… I don’t know… I awoke… the solar plexus chakra was not reactive just quietly relaxed… then I see a head… it is clear and looks on reflection like my mother… not sure… could have changed or projected the image… faded in and out…

Question: Is the demon gone? Is Hawkins right all you have to do is bring things up from the unconscious/subconscious into conscious awareness and they dissolve on there own without a lot of conscious complex effort…

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Reply #20 - May 28^th, 2010 at 2:57am

Second Dream: 05/27/2010 – After the Demon Head

The next layer:

I am elated about getting to go to Las Vegas… I enter a cluttered room. My mother is reclining on a bed on the right front of me… same side to the right a person… the window is open in front of my mother… there is a cool steady breeze entering the room… I am cold… I say so…

The demon head has morphed or so it seems… tho the room is cluttered the space is more open then any of the other dreams… and the window is open… wind (energy is flowing in?) it is cold and I am feeling it… what does this mean?

One thing is clear (just saw as I wrote a flash of brilliant light)… one removes layer upon layer of the unconscious/subconscious… I am about to by Carolyn Myss’ – CD set… Energy Anatomy series… what doors will this open…??? This work touches on archtypes and chakras material...

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Reply #21 - May 29^th, 2010 at 7:05pm

Seraphis1 wrote on May 28^th, 2010 at 2:57am:

Second Dream: 05/27/2010 – After the Demon Head

The next layer:

I am elated about getting to go to Las Vegas… I enter a cluttered room. My mother is reclining on a bed on the right front of me… same side to the right a person… the window is open in front of my mother… there is a cool steady breeze entering the room… I am cold… I say so…

The demon head has morphed or so it seems… tho the room is cluttered the space is more open then any of the other dreams… and the window is open… wind (energy is flowing in?) it is cold and I am feeling it… what does this mean?

One thing is clear (just saw as I wrote a flash of brilliant light)… one removes layer upon layer of the unconscious/subconscious… I am about to by Carolyn Myss’ – CD set… Energy Anatomy series… what doors will this open…??? This work touches on archtypes and chakras material...

S.

5/29/2010 - Afternoon session:

Reached a whole new level of relaxation in which the lower part of my body has no differentiation… it seem all one… the state crept up to my chest and arms.

Revised mix ~

Potpourri session: JOOB disc set: relaxation disc; akg disc 1: cut 6. Interpreter/preceiver; JOOB - A

Relaxation phase:

Again, I believe diaphragmatic breathing is at work here… but, I have a whole new way of breathing… and it is difficult to explain… you just have to experience it.

Felt myself roll… fundamental energy body?? (Monroe says he learned to roll out of his body…) lavender light… female face comes in… my face itching like crazy… (this is a separation symptom… )… (I may have encountered an archetype) boy pan something like this youth http://www.wilsonsalmanac.com/images/bacchus3.jpg, but with donkey ears (possibly… I may have morphed then in through the Interpreters over exposure… )

This may be the new layer beginning to manifest.

S.

Key 15--- The Devil Pan Archetype of Materiality & Acceptance The basic teaching is how to live with your feel on the earth and your head in heaven. Our role is to have everything without possessing anything. Pan is the tester but also the protector who continuously monitors and measures the growth of consciousness and as necessary injects thought of caution and discretion into your mind.

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Reply #22 - May 29^th, 2010 at 11:44pm

5/29/2010 - Evening session:

I don’t know how it can be that one can get so close to an exit and not have the exit. My whole being was centered in the brow point… poised to generate the exit an no banana. This is exceedingly frustration since I have inadvertently exited so many times by accident.

The mix ~

Potpourri session: akg disc 1: cut 1; JOOB disc set: relaxation disc; akg disc 1: cut 6. Interpreter/preceiver; JOOB - A

Relaxation phase:

I’m eating… nose itch… left side… (again this is an exit symptom)… basketball player takes a long shot… laker?? Right arm jolt (another exit symptom… the exit already took place and popped back in… left foot jolt… (exit symptom… popping in and out…)… lavender light… an overweight woman on right long curling brownish hair in a white poca dot on a black field dress directing seating in an office (???)… large living room area… French doors far right… white frame… long couch in front of a faux fireplace… itching left side upper lip… (exit symptom…)… brown shirt… Nazi (German SA… Ernst Rohm’s… faction of Nazi party… was I a member in 1920’s… is that possible???) could be where the demon head came from… the Pan… relationship to the Devil… could that be so… was I a naïve ‘believer’ in the movement in the early days when the German people were so ill treated by the Treaty of Versailles… (not an excuse for what happened… ) I have deep karmic connection to the Teutonic experience… could this be so???

I guess I have to face my creations… all of them… !!!!

Last part of the session I am focused as a kind of p.o.c… right at the brow point… I rope climb, I rope ladder climb… I try to shift consciousness to area where I semi-consciously have exited in the past… nothing… session ends….

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Reply #23 - May 30^th, 2010 at 12:08am

Seraphis1 wrote on May 29^th, 2010 at 11:45pm:

5/29/2010 - Evening session:

I don’t know how it can be that one can get so close to an exit and not have the exit. My whole being was centered in the brow point… poised to generate the exit an no banana. This is exceedingly frustration since I have inadvertently exited so many times by accident.

The mix ~

Potpourri session: akg disc 1: cut 1; JOOB disc set: relaxation disc; akg disc 1: cut 6. Interpreter/preceiver; JOOB - A

Relaxation phase:

I’m eating… nose itch… left side… (again this is an exit symptom)… basketball player takes a long shot… laker?? Right arm jolt (another exit symptom… the exit already took place and popped back in… left foot jolt… (exit symptom… popping in and out…)… lavender light… an overweight woman on right long curling brownish hair in a white poca dot on a black field dress directing seating in an office (???)… large living room area… French doors far right… white frame… long couch in front of a faux fireplace… itching left side upper lip… (exit symptom…)… brown shirt… Nazi (German SA… Ernst Rohm’s… faction of Nazi party… was I a member in 1920’s… is that possible???) could be where the demon head came from… the Pan… relationship to the Devil… could that be so… was I a naïve ‘believer’ in the movement in the early days when the German people were so ill treated by the Treaty of Versailles… (not an excuse for what happened… ) I have deep karmic connection to the Teutonic experience… could this be so???

I guess I have to face my creations… all of them… !!!!

Last part of the session I am focused as a kind of p.o.c… right at the brow point… I rope climb, I rope ladder climb… I try to shift consciousness to area where I semi-consciously have exited in the past… nothing… session ends….

S.

Getting it off my chest: I have always had a disdain for the French. A part of me is happy that the Wehrmacht gave the French a thorough thrashing in the first offensive of 1940. The French were the mean spirited arbiters of the Treat of Versailles… obstructionists of President Woodrow Wilson’s initiative to create a world for everyone… the French blocked it… the French their pound of flesh in the Middle East where they virtually expended no treasure or lives in the defeat of the Ottoman Turks… that was completely a British show… at the end of WWII they demanded Vietnam when the American initiative was to accommodate Ho Chi Minh… but, there must be an end to the cycle of hatred and animosity… I personally end it now, I forgive and put France’s fate in the hands of God… I ask their forgiveness for my anger at that people…

Gloria In Excelsus Deo.

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Reply #24 - May 30^th, 2010 at 11:39pm

5/23/2010 - Evening session:

Beau wrote on May 30^th, 2010 at 8:53am:

This is a GREAT Thread.

I get to f10 with no problems and I feel differently sometimes, but most of the time I get flooded with impressions that steal my attention before I can really experience the release a lot you talk about. Could be a tension thing I guess. I do feel like I'm in touch with a great knowledge in this state, but I've rarely experienced the obe proper. My best experiences are the ones that are dry with no Hemi Sync or any other external help.

Yours,
Beau

Hi Beau: This session fit the above to some extend. So I am posting it with your lead.

Revised mix ~

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1: JOOB disc set: relaxation disc; AKG disc 1: cut 6. Interpreter/preceiver; JOOB - A

Relaxation phase:

Nothing new about the new sensation of relaxation… this maybe relating to Beau’s observation about F10... But I just experienced separation of my body and my mind… they came apart… my body was distinctly asleep… my mind now was quite numb… I am clearly not triggering the automatic reflex… the reflex simply triggers when it believes the being is asleep… but the being is the whole entity… the body and the mind so somehow the reflex mechanism realizes the mind is not asleep, therefore it is miss firing… the heart chakra sputters and doesn’t engage the rtz-double generation process…

Now, there is a handout at the Institute that those of you who have taken gateway will have in your materials packet called:

Robert Monroe’s Consciousness Phasing Model

In the diagram it shows C1, once F10 is achieved then Daydreaming, Light Meditation, Creative Flow, Deep Meditation are possible…

In this session my mind went into Daydreaming/Light Meditation where (The Perceiver) formed a streaming image of a very ornate Hindu/Tibetan Inner Temple… or Tabernacle… this hung around for a while… my Interpreter gave only what I wrote above… and did not elaborate… there were other images connected to city scapes… but, the Interpreter could not ID them or comment on them…

Just as the JOOB hand book says: “You will know you are successful when you become bored and expect something more to happen.”

Well nothing more happened and tho I got a number of urges to abort… I stayed with the exercise until the command to return to C1.

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Reply #25 - May 31^st, 2010 at 1:47pm

5/30/2010 - Morning session:

Revised mix ~

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1: JOOB disc set: relaxation disc; AKG disc 1: cut 6. Interpreter/preceiver; JOOB - A

Relaxation phase:

Don’t seem to have any consistency day to day on the depth… there was no body mind separation in this session… solar plexus chakra activated… basketball… the Baroness… (delete)… pressure at the brow point… The Hermit… a man looking left… could be Michael Saganski… but reverse of logo picture… very clear… may have morphed the identity… (Mike do you have a dark red like the red on in http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.problogger.net/wp-content/uploads...; this happened around 9am pst. Were you mediating or online posting??)
Strong session tho… interesting potential breakthru at a deep meditative level as per the Monroe scale of consciousness.
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Reply #26 - May 31^st, 2010 at 6:55pm

5/31/2010 - afternoon session:

Revised mix ~

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1: JOOB disc set: relaxation disc; AKG disc 1: cut 6. Interpreter/preceiver; JOOB - A

Relaxation phase:

An amazing session, I don’t know how much closer I can get to projecting, without projecting.

The session begins with a solar plexus chakra area jolt… (obe)… woman in a wheel chair attempts to go down a flight of stairs using her brake and gravity… don’t know how this came out… the purple light pulse from my brow point was very strong… stronger than I ever remember it pulsing… images formed inside the plus… definite physiological sensations… I must have entered the Monroe phase model level of deep meditation because I saw a golden ornate ring glowing… light flowed out of it downward… then I seem to be on the verge of projecting for the rest of the session I attempted to prime the pump by imagining myself floating above my body, I saw an Egyptian sarcophagus with the head dress… I kept up the imagining… my skull became electrified… several surges… nothing… rope climbing… rope ladder climbing… postulating I will project… I asked the universe to allow me to project… kept up the visualization and postulating… until the session ended…

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Reply #27 - Jun 1^st, 2010 at 12:26pm

6/1/2010 - Morning session:

Revised mix ~

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1: JOOB disc set: relaxation disc; AKG disc 1: cut 6. Interpreter/preceiver; JOOB - A

Relaxation phase:

Achieve a whole new state… not sure yet whether it is another relaxation level or a precursor to a more powerful meditative level… but, it was certainly dynamic in a way I never experienced it before… and then there was the solid ‘x’… a feeling of a solid continuous mass from the toe of one foot fhru the leg across to the shoulder… left and right… not sure what this is… but, the state seems to be a precursor to the vibrations Monroe describes in JOOB… will have to see how this goes… if I can induce it again.

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Reply #28 - Jun 1^st, 2010 at 10:58pm

6/1/2010 - Evening session:

Revised mix ~

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1: JOOB disc set: relaxation disc; AKG disc 1: cut 6. Interpreter/preceiver; JOOB - A

Relaxation phase:

Well well, well this is the state:

Achieve a whole new state… not sure yet whether it is another relaxation level or a precursor to a more powerful meditative level… but, it was certainly dynamic in a way I never experienced it before… and then there was the solid ‘x’…

The solid ‘x’ did not return BUT, I got into the dream state or daydreaming state… and I knew where I was… without winking out… p.o.c. is a problem it seems fixed in my brain (pineal)… but toward the end of the session I began to understand about developing an exit technique that works for me personally… and it is the affirmation: right when one feels ready to exit state the affirmation:

I am floating above my body.

The session ended just as I was making the transition out of my body… I was floating… I’ve done it inadvertently many times before so it is just a matter of shifting consciousness to that memory location… the AFFIRMATION MUST WORK… !!!

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Reply #29 - Jun 4^th, 2010 at 6:56pm

6/4/2010 - Afternoon session:

Revised mix ~

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1: JOOB disc set: relaxation disc; AKG disc 1: cut 6. Interpreter/preceiver; JOOB - A

Relaxation phase:

I think I am firmly in focus 10 (from a Monrovian point of view)… clearly body asleep… and a new breath control which is probably the key to getting the o.b.e automatic reflex to trigger… I think I understand what is happening… if Robert Bruce is correct… the AR is triggered when the whole package is asleep… the delicate balancing act which Astral Projection technique is attempting to do is the keep a slight conscious awareness observing the event… I.e.. the p.o.c… isolated from the physical and mental process… so it may not be body asleep/mind awake… it may be body and mind asleep/ p.o.c. awake…

Lots of ornate stuff I seem to be watch a royal procession (Victorian era costuming)… lush garden…

But, clearly, my exit is going to come with the affirmation: I am floating above my body. At many points I seem to be phasing into realizing the affirmation.

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