I have always had trouble visualizing, but sometimes i am able to come up with an impression of surroundings and events..
Just now i was in the tub trying to relax, my monkey mind was babbling as ever...

I was trying to see my place in focus 27.. I have created several places in the past. This time I couldn`t see any one of those places. my efforts felt straining so i let go... thinking about the difference between obe and viewing the astral from your body I sensed a room high up in a building. a man was walking to the window and I knew he was going to or already killed himself by jumping through.. I approached and asked if i could help.. he was a bit startled. I told him rather blunt i was in a bathtub projecting to him and that he had died already.. He said no, but i am going to and jumped..
he immediately was back in the room. So I asked what he believed would happen after death. He said there was nothing..So (I think with help) i/we let the back of the room dissolve in blackness.. He the understood and said so there is consciousness after death? I told him yes and said we could take him to a place where there were others. he saw somebody that was with me and followed us... we arrived at a gate (I think the gate at the entrance of the park.I tried to visualize it before and found myself there..could have created it as an entrance for myself not sure)..
Others approached him and the man left with them. The beeing with me suggested to go to my place and sit near the fire..Until now i always envisioned my place as very natural..cave`s, open clearing in woods near rivers and such. never a house like structure with a fireplace, But there i was siting near the fire...

So what do you think fantasy or retrieval??

With Love,
Eelco

I think you did a retrieval. But I cannot answer the question: fantasy or reality. I find them very similar especially lately.

Thomas

It definitely was a "retrieval experience", as my experiences were. I cannot finally close out "fantasy", but I can tell retrieval experiences are a special kind among other things happening in my mind. They have a certain feeling, smell with them. What I found particularly interesting was your "teaching":

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"he immediately was back in the room. So I asked what he believed would happen after death. He said there was nothing..So (I think with help) i/we let the back of the room dissolve in blackness.. He the understood and said so there is consciousness after death? I told him yes"

I've had a similar lesson, as the pupil, when I came in my mind to an impressive landscape with high mountains, suddenly everything turns into a spational blackness. Then the mountains reapeared, and then again blackness, and I got the message "This is to show you that what you see is not THE reality, you can use it, but keep it in mind, it's not objective reality".

Spooky