Maybe that would explain why once in a while, for no apparent reason, I do have a lucid dream. It musta been sumthin' I et...or at least that seems likely, after reading your post! Thanks for that info. Vee

I went to a sight called Mazatec Garden and tried some of their lucid dream inducing herbs. A little on the spendy side and I did not notice enough of a difference to justify the cost.

In my years I have done everything from mushrooms to pot to LSD and just about everything else you can use to manually alter you consciousness but even Don Juan told Castaneda that although he used plants to get him out of his head they were all props and not really necessary for the purpose.

Now days I am as involved OBE and Lucid dreams as ever but I have not used anything other than ear plugs for a long while. And the neat thing is when I do have an experience I know it is real and not artificially induced. Not to mention I still have pesos in my pocket.

I am not against anything that gets you where you are going and may very well try substances again in the future.

To find the open mind one must keep an open mind...

Supposedly the 5-htp works the same way as Melatonin, Vicky.  I actually bought some 5-htp today and I'm eager to try it out...I'll let you know the results tomorrow.

Rebecca,

Do you know if you have a serotonin definciency?  Or is your only reason for taking the 5-htp for sleep reasons?  I think if you boost serotonin too much, it can actually have the effect of keeping you awake. 

I'll be interested to know what effect you notice.  For myself I've noticed that taking the melatonin at certain times of the month will work wonderfully for me because of the way my hormones are affecting my serotonin levels.  But I've noticed that at other certain times of the month, when my levels are not low, taking the melatonin seems to keep me wide awake. 

Of course, these supplements can always affect people differently, so I'll be interested to hear what affect you notice. 

I would also add, that if dream recall is what you want, as you drift off to sleep, in the twilight state, softly but firmly state your intent to remember your dream on awakening.  This is a tried and true method that goes right to your subconscious.  For me, it always works.  Also, if you want to play around with that state, try telling yourself what time you will wake up without using an alarm clock.

But be careful, because stating intent in a really relaxed state is the basis for manifesting thought in the real world (magic of old).  Hypnosis to some, but really it does work.


Matthew

Hi

Phantasy Man's post reminds me of a doctor I once had said --
that when we add supplements that are already being manufactured by our bodies, then our bodies will slow or stop their manufacture of the same. They read the levels that we've temporarily artifically created and decide no more is needed.

I don't have info on which of these are already found in the body, or as PM noted, which might be derived from these, but if the doctor's warning is correct, then using the smallest dose possible would certainly be wise, so as not to throw off the body's own checks and balances.

Bets