Greetings b2,

Yikes!  I too have been pinched and have also felt some effects from electricity.

Pinching is a very rude invasive method of determining whether another OB entity is human or not.   I thought as it happened that it was some mistake I was making so I didn't try to get away at first. I tried to mentally introduce myself, but got no response. The light energy of this being was quite bright and I had equated that with goodwill. It was probably my fault because at that time I was giddy with PUL and was going OB to offer soulmelds to bright lightforms.    That was duh duh dumb!
The pain remained when I returned to the physical.

The electrical effects were stronger during the first year I was actively retrieving and exploring, and now are not so noticeable.  I did ask for extra protection from my Guidance and soon felt a change.   Some kitchens, computers, video stores with many racks of CDs and DVDs, and transformers on power lines were all problems for me at one time. After these connections I get alot of restoration from a large glass of watermixed with lime syrup and sugar.

Maybe it depends on what subtle body you go out in. Using the phasing method of mentally tuning in to your goal seems to avoid all that.

Robert Monroe was an amazing explorer who opened up these realms of experience.  We can be very grateful to him that he was willing and curious about a wide range of experiences--some of which I prefer to read about than try 

Bets

Hi ,

Spooky, you said:
the "victim" translates this into the physical,
manifesting bodily symptoms; Monroe (and
other OBEers) told that he was able to talk
to physical people while OBEing, and they did
respond, though not quite in a physical way.
Those people, questioned in the physical about
it, couldn't remember.

I't's unfortunate that we don't remember our conversations while in other realms, but that would explain alot about why we don't get closer matches when comparing our meetings OB-- the speaking person is relying on words and the other is only aware of images -?

Also I'm confused about how an OB person could pinch someone. While I'm in the non-physical realms, just energy fields appear, not astral body-like shapes, so I 'didn't see it coming,'  only felt it. 
I wonder why we don't have a means to protect ourselves there.
In this case I can't say that projecting PUL would be the protection because that's what got me into trouble in the first place.   

Bets

Thank you, GG.

I consider it a lesson learned  I've had trouble in the past discerning how far to extend my trust and this helps me realize that.

Bets

Spooky and Hawkeye,

So you are pointing out that we sense intent and  that our nervous system or body or some system directly reacts to this intent?
And this unconscious process works while OB,  even to my extent of inflicting pain on myself ? Then when sensing negative intent one does have time to react, not just stand/float there like a dork like I did.  Such sensing could be protective, I see. Even Pul can be inappropriate and be protected against, I now see. Many thanks!

Bets

I once pinched myself in the cheek. I could feel the softness and warmness of my cheek but I'm not sure if my physical body felt anything. It was more like when you move through a roof and you feel the wood, nails, sawdust etc.