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Re: Question to advanced Retrievals
Reply #15 - Jul 7^th, 2009 at 2:59am

tgecks wrote on Jul 6^th, 2009 at 8:29am:

Now-- am I making it all up? Certainly. So are you. All of it, even the computer you are reading this on, and the body you are thinking about this with. Life IS but a dream, and you are in the dream but not of it. Sound familiar? It should, for this is what we came here to learn (IMHO, as they say).

Thomas

I do agree, but i would like to take one more step further.

Every dream have to come to its end. when our phisical body die we do exist in astral world. But most likely astral body will die as well some day. The question is what will remain of me, of what i can call me, of what i recognize as me. Not much i am afraid.

About learning, who is learning? me? or rather what part of me? am i familiar with that part that is learning?

Some time ago i was very clouse to belive that after death i will be desintegrated sooner or later, but i had some strange experiences that does not feet to anything.

It happends to me few times, but once it was so strong, so real.
I was in a dream and i found out that i am dreaming, i recaaled who i am and found out that i have to wake up soon becouse i have very important exam in the high school. So i went back to the body and i was not in my room! More of that i was in a wrong body! Then when my normal memory started to work i found out that there is no exam and i am not studing anything Cheesy

Edit: I had not enough time to finish this post, so now is the rest.

I was dreaming and i went to my total self, from there i saw something like dosens of strings, with difrent colours are mixed together craeting a nonphisical body. Later i was pushed to this body and went thorough all the layers to my phisical sleeping body. I woke up, changed the position and immidiately felt to sleep. I was puled to my total self and again i saw those strings(there was some difrence in them now) creating a body. The body was a female body! and like before i was pushed into that body and started to dream.

When i woke up the only thing that i was able to say was: Eeeeeee?? eee!?

I got a lot of pices but they do not feet one to another at all.

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Reply #16 - Jul 7^th, 2009 at 5:58am

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Sorry english is not my native language so its easy for me to misunderstood something

Oh, I see, so I'll try to be more precise. I was getting a little frustrated because I've come across too many people who don't read my messages because they think they know what I'm saying and get it all wrong. Sorry for that

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i was feeling guilty as if i was a prt of this whole tragedy. There was a soul who hired a killer to kill a victim and there was i who brought the deth girl back to this wicked soul.

I do not believe that something like this would happen again in their next life. They probably made up for that in the following life, that's been my experience anyway. It'd be different if she'd been older, but a little girl like that can only experience, not learn to defend herself, so I really do not believe they'd let that happen to her again.

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The question is what will remain of me, of what i can call me, of what i recognize as me. Not much i am afraid.

Well, you've said that you've talked to your "higher self" and that some of the characters you saw in your dreams were you, so you know best, who's the one in all of them.
By the way, how did you find out that it's your higher self you're talking to? I'm still confused about who's responsible for my life since I don't seem to have an oversoul; I'm here with all of me.

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vagabound Ex Member	Re: Question to advanced Retrievals Reply #17 - Jul 7^th, 2009 at 6:21am Quote: Life IS but a dream, and you are in the dream And we're all in this together; most of us anyway... That's the nice part about it. I remember there are areas where only certain spirits can go. To others they just don't exist. Here we can all be together and see the same things. sweet dreams... Vagabound
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Reply #18 - Jul 7^th, 2009 at 9:43am

Geetings,

NoName, you said: "Every dream have to come to its end.
when our phisical body die we do exist in astral world. But
most likely astral body will die as well some day. The question
is what will remain of me, of what i can call me, of what i
recognize as me. Not much i am afraid."

I suspect you are in an intense process where you are discarding some of your past through these visions and retrievals. You are losing some of what was you. But I don't think we can change the truths that very experienced mystics have brought back. One of those truths is that we have many--seven, at least -- 'bodies' and it takes forever to work through them all !
So don't worry about dissolving away. We're all working on the physical and astral, two of the basics.

When you describe bodies made of strings that seems to show that you are also getting spiritual messages through and from your mental 'body.' Not mental like human brain, but mental like the third subtle body. That realm is made of lines that create the structures/physical bodies that we use. Very few people on Earth ever get to see the Mental Realm so you can feel very gifted/blessed to have seen it.

You could tell your Higher Being/ Guides/ Higher Self/ Whatever
if you want to slow down this process you are going through. They think you are ready but if your fears are troubling you, ask them clearly to slow down.
Then later when you've had time to see that no harm is coming to you, don't forget to ask them to start up again.

You're doing great!

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Reply #19 - Jul 7^th, 2009 at 3:56pm

NoName, regarding your experiences in reply #15 and the "I",
it seems to me there are two meanings of "I":
One is all the features one declares as "mine", such as the personal history, the body. But to make this process of self-definition possible, there has already to be something there which owns all those features. So, there is
another meaning of "I" which is not depending on any particular features. It is not any thing, but like a function which relates things to an absolute "here", "now", "me/mine".

That would mean, if I would wake up being a stone, I would be a stone, and if I would wake up being any person, no matter who, I would be this person. Even if I would remember that I have been a different person, I would still be the same I in the second meaning, though a different "I" in the first meaning.

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Reply #20 - Jul 8^th, 2009 at 4:23am

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Well, you've said that you've talked to your "higher self" and that some of the characters you saw in your dreams were you, so you know best, who's the one in all of them.
By the way, how did you find out that it's your higher self you're talking to? I'm still confused about who's responsible for my life since I don't seem to have an oversoul; I'm here with all of me.

take care,
Vagabound

When i was reading Roberts books, he mentioned a Disc there. He have seen there people. I was obssesed to go there

I was beliving at that time, that my life is a nightmare only becouse i was cut off from what i truly am, so i had strong belive that if i made it to my higher self i will know what to do in my life and all will change to something better.

I started from lucid dream, closed my self and set destination as my higher self.
The travel thorough darkness was very long i took me 30 maybe 40 seconds, usually it is 3-10 seconds. After that i saw something that i was not able to translate by any meaning to my way of understanding, the resoult was a short black out. Then i saw my self as an egg-ball shape field of white shining energy inside a static whirlwind made of grey fog. When i focused my attention on whirlwind i understood that it is time, when i focused on my self-this shining ball, another blackout happend. After that i was something without a shape and milions of feelings and emotions was flowing thorough my entire self. I noticed that there are thousands of shining strings of white energy connect from me to thousands small shining sunlike things. When i focused my attention on any of those "suns" i understood that every "sun" is an being(incarnation would feet here well) and all of such incarnation expereiences, emotions, feelings, are compresed to some extreamly short time and i feel them all at once. I was feeling those thousands lives as if all of them was happening at once and in one moment.
Then again there was a blackout. I found my self to be a milions of small shining pices of light that is made of pure love, those pices-me was falling down and creating my body. When body was created i looked down and saw my self in a dream down there. When i focused on me there i was in my dream and remainded my self that moment ago i was looking at my self from there! It woke me up in my bed, i was very happy back then.

Ofcourse my problems was not gone, more of that i have learn that my problems was a part of the plan, i was more confused than ever before and at the top of that my personality fall into a pices making my life upsite down making it even more dificult Grin

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Reply #21 - Jul 8^th, 2009 at 4:58am

betson wrote on Jul 7^th, 2009 at 9:43am:

Geetings,

I suspect you are in an intense process where you are discarding some of your past through these visions and retrievals. You are losing some of what was you. But I don't think we can change the truths that very experienced mystics have brought back. One of those truths is that we have many--seven, at least -- 'bodies' and it takes forever to work through them all !
So don't worry about dissolving away. We're all working on the physical and astral, two of the basics.

I do have experience from 6 of them:
-phisical
-etherical i can seee it with my phisical eyes, but dont know how to use it.
-astral we have there shape and feelings
-mental we are there consciousness focused in one point. The funny thing is that in this body we see everything so creally. Everything have more details than in phisical world. The point of the joke is that when i look at my self there i am something like a small sun, and when i am intrested in anything i am touching it, not watching Cheesy

-dont have ide of the name of this body, but i ts something like mental+ i am everything here at once, everything that is in a dream or how to name it
-Total self.

I am still missing one body, i found in some books and realations of other people, what i am missing.
They use to say that there is a place where souls live and there are geezer souls who use to talk with You explaining that You are still not perfect so You have to go to suffer on earth more and be happy about it Wink

betson wrote on Jul 7^th, 2009 at 9:43am:

When you describe bodies made of strings that seems to show that you are also getting spiritual messages through and from your mental 'body.' Not mental like human brain, but mental like the third subtle body. That realm is made of lines that create the structures/physical bodies that we use. Very few people on Earth ever get to see the Mental Realm so you can feel very gifted/blessed to have seen it.

It means that You have seen it as well?

What i have learn about it, those strings looks more like a stripes they have colour white, blue, yellow ,red for me. Those strings are components that decide about overall body abilities. Those strings are from previous incarantions and the thing that is most scarry to me is that strings from me are already in use in another creation-incarnation. The most of what i had to go thorough my life was to made those components so it can be used in next incarnation. Its as if i am some object or item for my total self Shocked

betson wrote on Jul 7^th, 2009 at 9:43am:

You could tell your Higher Being/ Guides/ Higher Self/ Whatever
if you want to slow down this process you are going through. They think you are ready but if your fears are troubling you, ask them clearly to slow down.
Then later when you've had time to see that no harm is coming to you, don't forget to ask them to start up again.

I wass telling this many times to my "Higher Being/ Guides/ Higher Self/ Whatever" I will not post here what words i was ussing Grin

I found out that my "Higher Being/ Guides/ Higher Self/ Whatever" dont realy care about what i say

The only resault was that when i was beliving that it stoped, alot of changes happend and i was just not aware of them.

All what i posted till now happend few years ago, i was beliving that i had a long break, but few months ago i found out that i was wrong about it. Anyway i am trying to go back to the busines right now i got difrent problems to deal now, but first i need to do something with old matters that stoped me back there.

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Reply #22 - Jul 8^th, 2009 at 5:17am

spooky2 wrote on Jul 7^th, 2009 at 3:56pm:

NoName, regarding your experiences in reply #15 and the "I",
it seems to me there are two meanings of "I":
One is all the features one declares as "mine", such as the personal history, the body. But to make this process of self-definition possible, there has already to be something there which owns all those features. So, there is
another meaning of "I" which is not depending on any particular features. It is not any thing, but like a function which relates things to an absolute "here", "now", "me/mine".

That would mean, if I would wake up being a stone, I would be a stone, and if I would wake up being any person, no matter who, I would be this person. Even if I would remember that I have been a different person, I would still be the same I in the second meaning, though a different "I" in the first meaning.

Spooky

Yes such explanation is ok even if i will make it all little more complicated.

I was living for a long time beliving that i am only phisical body. Later i found out that i have dreaming body and dreaming personality. Its me and my astral self is also me.

In a dreams for some time i use to belive that i am alone there, to find out later that there is some presence that use to help me. It took me a lot of time to find out that its again me! just from higher body and it took me even more time to find out that i can switch to just be that me when i just want it!

This explanation is like Newtons phisics. Its ok to some point. Problems start with total self, becouse i can not truly say that i am my total self, or that my total self is part of me or that it is inside me. Its rather that i am a part of it, a pice of it and i can not do anything out there yet that something can affect me and my life, this something can even change me! Thats the place when all my trouble with explanation and doubts started.

I registred to this forum hoping to find people who know about it more than me. I dont want to go there in a dream becouse i am afraid that if i do so i will become a total pupet, without any freedom or free will. Thats the root of it, it seems that some transforamtions can not be done without loosing a part of self, a big part of self, just to not use the word all of self. There is an answear there, about retrivals and about what we realy are, just i have a feeling that i might not like it Wink

Does anyone went thorough it and surviwe?

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Reply #23 - Jul 8^th, 2009 at 7:30am

Hello,

Every retrieval, every contact with what I consider my Higher Self, also with Disk family members, etc -- all my afterlife experience has made me more than I was. Or it has cleared barriers to who I really am. You are all those parts, you don't have to choose. One mystic said we are like an onion, layer upon layer upon layer.

Losing ones self during this process isn't possible. You will never lose your free will to this, but what your willpower is used for might change. We lose some of our 'lower vibes,' but those are replaced with higher vibes. Less lust and lower chakra activity, more balance and more of a finer love --that sort of thing. It's usually a gradual enough process that it isn't alarming, but your development seems to be faster.

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Reply #25 - Jul 9^th, 2009 at 6:30am

Hi NoName, I agree with what you wrote in #22.

I've read at least reports from two out-of-body travelers who just found the same as you had, that their guides turned out to be "higher" instances of themselves.
The helpers I've met I had the impression are members of my higher self. And indeed, it's a bit complicated, as I could as well say they are me, as we are one in this higher self. I had glimpses of what this higher self is in it's entireness, but it seems to be so different to the physical life that communication seems only possible through symbols, feelings, synchronicities.
Regarding free will, to me this term doesn't make sense anyway. In order to be free, the will must be independent, including independent of one's personal history and causality. It then cannot be called anybody's will. It would lead to pure randomness as, due to it's freedom/independence, it would not apply to any rules and schemes. So I just dropped it as a meaningless phrase. There is still decision-making and such, but without the concept of free will. So, there's nothing to worry about for you meeting your higher self.
Your concerns about loosing a big part of yourself are mirrored in spiritual literature of all times. In a way it's like a part of a person dies when a new awareness step is taken, but we don't have to call it a partial death, but can say a part of one's belief system collapses due to new experiences and the conclusions derived from it. This can cause frightening and uncomfortable feelings for a while, until one has adapted to the new formed belief system.

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