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Feb 14th, 2009 at 3:48am
 
I awoke abruptly in the middle of the night vividly remembering this experience.  My involvement in this experience was that of a point-of-consciousness observer.  To me, it was like watching a movie.  

I am seeing a man sitting in a transportation station.  He's a cab driver who is sitting and waiting for a customer.  I’m not actually part of the scene, but my point-of-consciousness perspective has me hovering in front of him.  He's not speaking to me, but I feel what I know about him as if I'm receiving communication from him.  He's been waiting a long time for someone to come along, and once someone gets there he will have a job to do.  He's pleasant and patient, but at this point I have no idea this is one of "those" experiences, and all I am thinking is that I feel sorry for this cab driver who has nothing to do but wait.  

In the distance behind him I see a woman approaching but then she hesitates.  She appears happy and very confident and self-assured.  She is carrying a big handbag on her shoulder and appears to be a traveler and I think, "Ok, good.  Maybe this guy finally has a customer!"  But the woman seems to be careful about how she approaches this guy.  I wonder to myself why she is being hesitant, and then just by looking at her I can sense that she is deciding that she will have to pretend to need a ride.  So then I wonder to myself why she needs to pretend.  

The next thing I know is that we are all in this guy's taxi, which seems to be more of a mini-van than a cab.  My perspective is still just an observer, as I don't feel physically part of the scene and I don't feel as if they see me as part of the scene.  

The woman is sitting in the back seat behind the passenger seat, and the man is in the driver's seat.  He's driving down a vacant road.  It's dark out.  It feels late to me.  I wonder where we are going.  When he is speaking to the young woman, my focus is turned toward him, and when she is speaking my focus is turned toward her, as if I am merely turning my head to follow their conversation, but I have no physical body in this experience.

The man is making pleasant small talk and he's looking at her in the rear view mirror occasionally.  The woman is a young, pretty, black woman, early 20s.  To me she seems so "together", a quality I admire.  She begins telling the driver that she's on a quest looking for her father, and she also tells him that she wonders if her father is looking for her as well.  It makes me wonder if this man is her father.  Is that what she’s alluding to?  He's a white man, maybe in his 50s, and although it's possible, he makes no acknowledgement about it so I quickly realize that's not what this is about.  

The man is genuinely interested and listens attentively.  She then mentions that she is pregnant, and for the first time I notice that she is.  She tells him that she wouldn't want her own child to be lost and looking for her, the way that she feels lost and is looking for her own father.  I feel my sense of woman's intuition tell me that she’s lying--not to deceive, but in order to pretend something.  I wonder to myself why she's trying to fool him into believing she’s lost and on a search for her father.  The cab driver expresses that he wants to be of help to this young woman.

I turn to him and get the impression that he's feeling very flattered that he can be of help.  He is of the mind frame that being a driver is his way of helping people find where they need to go, and he's more than happy to help out.  

I finally feel like I'm catching on as to what's really taking place here.  She doesn't really need his help, she's here to help him.  

The driver suddenly remembers something important, and he's surprised he's forgotten.  He had two young boys once.  They died in a car accident many years ago.  It seems her conversation has opened him up to remembering this part of his life that he's been able to forget.  As he tells her about the loss of his own children, he tells the young woman he understands how she feels.  He wouldn't want his own boys to be lost either, but he hasn't thought of them in such a long time he can't remember when he lost track.  All he's known is that he's been waiting such a long time to give someone a ride.  He wishes he could find his boys, but he knows that they are gone now.  He has accepted their death and he has moved on, continuing to do his job helping people get to their destinations.  Being focused in his work has made it easier for him to "forget" about his sons' deaths.  

She abruptly changes the subject by announcing that she needs to go up this mountain road that is to our right.  That is her ultimate destination.  This made me wonder why she is suddenly changing the subject.  The man was just telling about the death of his two sons and obviously it was bringing back painful memories, so why would she suddenly change the subject??

To me it seemed a little rude and out of place, but it caused the driver to instead notice something up ahead on the road that he didn't notice before.  He swears he's driven this road a hundred times and has never noticed the mysterious fog up ahead and to our left.  His attention is so focused on the road up ahead that he expresses that he'd really like to go that way instead.  

The nice young woman kindly suggests that we drive over and see, and she says she has plenty of time to get to her destination.  I quickly think to myself, "Oh she's good.  She knows exactly what she's doing.  She's leading him on exactly how she wants."  But at this point I'm still not sure why.  

The man is very appreciative of her suggestion and without hesitation he drives up ahead to the road on the left.  We turn and drive down that road and come to a place in the middle of the road where we can't go any further.  This road is secluded and surrounded on each side by thick trees.  It seems like the kind of road that doesn't get heavy traffic, and the fog makes it seem a little spooky to me.  The driver and the woman get out of the cab, and I follow still in my point-of-consciousness mode.  

Two young boys are alone, shivering, and scared of the dark.  I immediately sense they are brothers, maybe twins, about 8 years old.  We learn that they have been out lost on this road for a very long time.  They have lost track of how long they've been out there, but they say they just keep wandering and waiting to find a way home.  

I notice that we aren't the only ones out here.  Slowly, other people come out into the scene.  They too have been there a long time, obviously aware of the frightened boys and wanting to be of assistance but not wanting to scare them.  

The boys said when the others came they became more frightened and walked the other way, and felt they walked a very long time until finally finding an abandoned house.  Once they got inside though, the house was just a small room with large windows looking out onto the road.  It didn't make sense to them, because from the inside of the house it looks as though the house is sitting right in the middle of the road.  The boys can see the other people through the large window looking back in at them.  The boys hide in the house until the others leave, then they go back out onto the road.  The other people don't actually leave, but come out again trying to reach the boys, but it frightens them and they hide again.

From my own perspective I can see that these other people just want to help the children but can't seem to make them understand that.  When the boys explain hiding inside the abandoned house, I get the understanding of how the boys see them.  They see these people as ghosts, scaring them.  

I get the feeling that this scenario has been going on back and forth for quite some time.  I feel the exhaustion of this situation and it feels like dreadful loneliness to me.
 
The cab driver who has been quietly standing off to the side listening this whole time is suddenly overwhelmed with emotion at realizing that these two young boys are his boys who died long ago.  I didn't even put that together until he spoke up.  I was surprised to hear this.  He had no idea they were lost and waiting, just as he had no idea that he had been lost and waiting too.  Then it hit me, the man is dead too.  This was the first time in this experience that it dawned on me that the woman was here to take everyone home.  Still just a point of consciousness, I felt so surprised and overwhelmed to finally understand all this.  I began to wonder why I was there and how I got there, but I appreciated observing this special reunion.  

The nice young woman kneels down in front of the two boys and she talks gently to them, explaining that she knows how they feel.  She knows what it's like to feel lost and alone.  She tells them it's over now.   They can all go on this trip up the mountain together.  The reunion is a happy one.  Being a mom, I feel such relief these boys don't have to feel frightened and lost anymore.  


Sorry that was such a long story, but thanks for reading.  The reallness and vividness of this experience were unbelievable.  

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Reply #1 - Feb 14th, 2009 at 5:03pm
 
Hi Vicky,

Have you figured out how you got included in this scene?  Have you been worrying about your children being lost, (for example)?  Or do you suppose these were members of your Disk (afterlife) family?

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Reply #2 - Feb 14th, 2009 at 9:47pm
 
Thanks for writing it down in all the details Vicky!

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Reply #3 - Feb 15th, 2009 at 1:00am
 
Spooky,

You're welcome Spooky and thank you.  I am always happy to share my experiences even when I don't have full meaning of them myself.  That's the way my book is too--heavy on the details.  I realize that's just the way I am, and I guess that's how I like to understand things. 

Betsi,

I never did get more insight of this experience than what I shared here.  I don't think it has to do with my own worries or my own kids.  I think it's probably just an experience that was available for me to observe.  I have been feeling very interested in learning more about retrievals for quite a while now, so I think this is part of that learning process.

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Reply #4 - Feb 15th, 2009 at 10:28am
 
Hi Vicky and all,

Maybe your presence and ability to empathize with several--All?--of the souls involved gave them the calming reassuring energy they needed, even without your verbal involvement?

Smiley * Vicky's book will show how sensitive she is to spiritual/afterlife influences. She has developed the ability to 'operate'?/ live? very successfully on both sides of what most of us still feel is a curtain. I feel fortunate I got an early peek at her manuscript, because it has showed me better how to accept the world that exists without time or physical limits! Thank you so much, Vicky, for sharing your insights!

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Reply #5 - Feb 15th, 2009 at 4:50pm
 
Wow!  Cheesy

I am curious to find out how many people are stuck and need to be retrieved.
Does anyone have an approximate number?

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Reply #6 - Feb 15th, 2009 at 7:23pm
 
excellent retrieval, or observation of one Vicki, never seen one quite as well described. you really are a good writer, with the details.

what stands out the most for me in this, is the boys considered the people who were there to assist them, as ghosts.
this points out that physically based vibratory rate retrievers, are the more easily seen by the retrievee and points to the reason why us physical retrievers are able to perform on this other dimension.

and no other retriever has been able to reflect on this matter quite as well as Vicky to date, but it has been a reaccuring question for years.
Simply put, helpers of nonphyiscal embodiment look unreal or as Vicki put it, like ghosts.

I would say, the fear in the little boys, was acting as a block to them, to be able to move onto a more comfortable station. Doubt and fear can also construct a false reality.
now we have love on the scene.

the dad buried his love, his memory, understandably of his boys he thought he lost to death. then he makes his transition to the other side and becomes stuck himself in the same "waiting" pattern his boys are stuck in.
The young woman jogs his memory by leading the conversation to thoughts of the father image, thus he remembers he once was a father himself. Love is remembered, love will win out over the fear that binds us in whatever circumstance.

I would point out, not in a recriminatory manner, yet the man, if he had not buried his love, if he been able to deal with the pain of losing the kids before he left the earth plane, the children would have been retrieved by his love and remembrance of them and would not have been stuck, waiting for their own retrieval. Because the pain was so great, to lose kids, must be the worst that can happen to us on the earth, my opinion. some parents commit suicide if this happens to them, and I assume he didn't do that. I'm pointing out, the need for retrievals and that they can be performed while we are still in the body. In a sense, the father was doing the retrieval, with assistance, I'm saying all of us, alive now, can do retrievals, if we can face the pain of some of the things we go through.
F=false
E=evidence
A=appearing
R=real


Love is real. fear is false evidence.
retrievals are acts of love.  wonderful retrieval Vicky.
A couple of times Vicky I have sensed myself as an observational point of consciousness.
one time I stepped into a woman's body form and got directly involved with the players, both physical and nonphysical.
Other times, I am aware of watching the scenes without being directly in them. so I relate to what you're saying.
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Reply #7 - Feb 15th, 2009 at 10:47pm
 
  Wow, what a vivid and insightful experience Vicky!   Thank you for sharing it?
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Reply #8 - Feb 16th, 2009 at 1:45am
 
Thanks for the comments everyone.  I do love when I get one of "those" experiences.  I need to learn more and more, and with each experience I do learn something new, but still am left with wanting more.  That's a good thing!

Bets and Alysia, you guys are flattering me WAY too much.  I don't feel very experienced, but am still just a student.  I think that shows in this retrieval.  Throughout it, I am like a kid with big round eyes, watching in awe and amazement and can't wait to see what happens next. 

I'm sure the experiences will come where I get to be the one doing the guiding and teaching--that'll be neat. 

I like that the dad needed some help and then was able to turn around and find his kids.  Alysia is right, there is so much sadness when it comes to forgetting and moving on.  We really owe it to ourselves in our lives to do as much as we can to complete our own journey.  And that means being able to face the hard stuff. 

I like the description of FEAR Alysia.

And about what you said at the bottom of your post--that makes me remember long ago I once wanted to know what level of consciousness Edgar Cayce operated on during his life.  What it took for him to be of the capacity to do what he did, even if he himself did not completely understand it on his physical consciousness level.  What was his higher consciousness like?  I guess that's what I was wondering.  Anyway, I had one of those experiences of stepping into someone.  In this case, it was a nonphysical representation of the man himself, but the point was that I was the embodiment of his higher conscious self for a brief few moments and experienced an overwhelming feeling of Pure Unconditional Love, which would have been too much for me to experience had I stayed in the experience any longer.  It was powerful.

That was many years before I knew Bruce Moen or heard the words Pure Unconditional Love or knew it existed. 

Love,

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Reply #9 - Feb 16th, 2009 at 5:22pm
 
I too reflected on what Edgar Cayce was like in his everyday personality and as related to being able to plug into higher consciousness and produce specific remedies for folks. Since Justin has studied Cayce more than I have, he might be able to give us clues.
I have deep admiration for the service Cayce provided.

We're all in various states of development and learning Vicki, and I knew you would feel overly flattered for your contributions here, as I am plugged into the group consciousness here and hear thoughts and emotions from you and others from time to time.

It just enters my head unbidden, so to speak. I just smiled to myself when I got your message yesterday, as I am in joy to be connected to you this way. Makes me feel not quite so alone as we move into this century. I received your emotions.

and you are a humble critter. I like that kind. My appreciation to get real, honest, straight up descriptions of personal journeys we take, from the heart is tremendous, and you should let yourself feel good about yourself, as for one thing, no one seems to realize how much time it takes to put one's energy on this board, in such detail, and rarely does anyone say thank you.

I have decided to be one who says thank you and keep it coming.
and just think, we don't have to purchase with money what we have going on here. it's free, and the very act of sharing is an act of love, of unconditional love.

especially if I get something out of a post, I so rarely get anything out of a post anymore, that causes me to grow into more understanding.

but your post did cause that, for me. perhaps because of the commonalities of our journeys.
Bruce once said something to that effect: he said, we might read a lot of books on this sort of thing, there might be a lot of different kinds of experiences to read about: there are also a myriad of belief systems, philosophies, methods of how-to to survey. If we can find the commonality that runs through all these different beliefs we hold, we then have a gllimpse of the underlying truths.

so my intentions is to find the commonalites within humanity, the differences are obvious; the commonalities is related to the Oneness of humanity.

I still foresee your book as becoming important because it's important to me. and I'm important to myself!  Smiley and it's the way you pay attention to the details which strikes me as also important.

such as this walking into what appears as another body form.
I can share my memory of this. maybe we can discover something together by reflecting on it.

As I recall I was retrieving a rapist who sometimes murdered, or was capable of murder. He had already left the physical area, but was stuck in his belief system.
I was to unstick him from it. Just like your experience above, this was one of a kind, and so profoundly effecting me, that I cannot forget how my self confidence rose afterwards, and the joy was in freeing him from being stuck. although I was not alone in doing that.

this time I saw the guides and helpers and they were telling me what to do, and they had vague body form, but I was a point of observation, until I was directed to enter the form of a young woman, to play the role of retriever within that form.

The image form of her was like a real person standing there, but not animated with a soul. Like this form had been produced for me, so I could then interact with the retrievee.
It was like a staging area. Even the rapist seemed to be but another actor. all the helpers watched from the sidelines, giving me cues from time to time.
I had wondered in C1 if I was capable of doing such a retrieval. The guides were telling me I was to be tested right now. As this observational point, I was eager to test myself.
In order to stay in character, I had to act like I was really her.
I was given the details of a young woman of great ambition in the world, hard working, single, rising upward in her profession, her one fault seemed to be not knowing she was being preyed upon by this dangerous person, I was to retrieve.

This body I had stepped into did not look at all like I look, although I found I had some of her attibutes, I had none of her particular ambitions, so I don't think she was a representation of myself personally.
I sometimes think she had been his victim, in physical life, had been retrieved to a higher level, was in the crowd watching now, to understand how it could have turned out.
I got the feeling he had done in more than just her. something like 3 to 5 others had fallen by his hand.

anyway, it turned out well. I was being tested on how well I kept my cool and in the end, I got involved in my role and forgot I was not her, but I didn't forget my retrieval skills, nor the use of my voice, the way I can puff a person up with love. seems to be an asset as well as a drawback sometimes!

the belief system he had become stuck in was in reference to a mother who made him feel inferior, and told him no woman would ever want him. In his mind, all women had become the enemy because of one woman, his mother, who had not nurtured the child when he was young. I convinced him that women would find him desirable somehow and he believed me.
then a guide came upon us at just the right moment and took him off my hands informing me the retrieval had been successful, as now he was willing to be taken by another woman, to a higher level and out of his circumstances of continuing to prey upon woman in general.

I was whooping with awe for days.....I had passed the test. Cheesy
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Reply #10 - Feb 17th, 2009 at 3:11am
 
Alysia,

You felt connected to me recently?  I completely understand what you are saying.  I feel those moments too with folks.  Glad to hear someone was tapped into me!  Makes me feel not so alone in this world.   Smiley

I remember with clarity the times I've been nonphysically connected to you too.  And then you with Ryan.  Remember him?  Wish he was still around here.  He once tried to tune into me and was able to pick up specific things about my work and job that were amazingly precise.  He said "I don't know what this means" when he told it to me, and I said I could tell him exactly what it meant!  And I think he nearly fainted when he realized how uncanny his accuracy was. 

Yes, you're right.  We get to share things here and learn from others and it's all free!  I do love free!  I continue to learn so much from my old friends here, and to all you folks...I'm glad you all still hang around here.  You newbies too. 

After doing the Barenaked Ladies cruise I just got back from, it makes me wish we could have a Conversation Board Cruise!  How fun would that be to hang out with all the board members and get to see everyone in person. 

I want to say thank you to you for always being so encouraging.  It really makes me feel good about myself when you and everyone else say they like my honesty and tell-it-like-it-is approach in my writing.  I usually feel so self conscious about how I write, thinking that it's so juvenile, but when I hear that my straight-forwardness makes me seem so real and honest, it really puts a smile in my heart. 

I agree with what you say about finding the commonalities between our experiences and other people's experiences.  It's like finding a familiar face in the crowd.  It feels good to make that connection and to feel right at home.
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Reply #11 - Feb 17th, 2009 at 5:21pm
 
Vicky said:
Alysia,

You felt connected to me recently?
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yes, some more connected to than others. I get rotes off words sometimes; some people excite my psychic abilities more than others, I think it's because of our commonalities. we're both writers. both like to tell it like it happened. so heres what happened as best I can explain what happens psychically. of course, we've been friends a long time and spoken privately. that's part of memory association.
someone's name will pop up in my mind who I've just posted to usually.  Then I will present a questioning attitude, like to say, why am I thinking about Vicky?
Then I seem to hear Vicki's voice in tone and pitch. I catch just a few words of our language, however I catch the emotional quality quite well within the sound, and the emotions tell what's going on between us and the interpreter begins to work with the emotions.
what I basically picked up was what you had written down:
that you were surprised to receive our loving replies, and so considered it may well have been flattery coming your way.

sometimes I felt Bets does flatter yet she really is that way..she is a very loving person, and forgiving person also. as for me, I was certain it was not flattery but factual. I actually believe whatever I'm saying with my whole mind and heart. mainly because of the psychic impressions I receive that I just described.

You are so similar to myself Vicky. I remember a good friend said to me once and I still have trouble with his message, but I knew it was true; just couldn't accept it totally; he said "you don't know who you are alysia."

and you don't accept your own beauty either Vicki, but you are headed that way. It's a refusal of self empowerment in a sense, but if you think about it, we all find ways to be "just one of the crowd" and find it difficult to one degree or another to accept compliments from others even if they are true.

so this is all just chatter to say I love you. you don't even need to respond back. you know I was with you every step of the way when your separation came in your marriage. in my heart. I understand the pain and I understand all too well why the separation had to come about.

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I completely understand what you are saying.  I feel those moments too with folks.  Glad to hear someone was tapped into me!  Makes me feel not so alone in this world.   Smiley
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you're so much like me, tee hee, you just repeated the very words I said to you in another post, about not being alone..no we're never alone, our friends are just invisible! shucks!  except one time Vicki, your very special guide materialized for you, and I know this is true, don't know how I know, but it was/is true.
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I remember with clarity the times I've been nonphysically connected to you too.  And then you with Ryan.  Remember him?
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Ryan is one of my friends on myspace. of course how can I forget Ryan. and his chilipepper fascination. lol.
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Wish he was still around here.  He once tried to tune into me and was able to pick up specific things about my work and job that were amazingly precise.  He said "I don't know what this means" when he told it to me, and I said I could tell him exactly what it meant!  And I think he nearly fainted when he realized how uncanny his accuracy was. 
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Ryan did his first retrieval due to coming to this board. he was VERY excited. we met in obe; that's why I will never forget him. He is an Indigo child. there are many Indigo children among us. They are very psychic and advanced souls.
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Yes, you're right.  We get to share things here and learn from others and it's all free!  I do love free!  I continue to learn so much from my old friends here, and to all you folks...I'm glad you all still hang around here.  You newbies too. 
How fun would that be to hang out with all the board members and get to see everyone in person.
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hmm. would be nice. I'm sure we'll all get together; maybe in the afterlife though, due to the ease with which travel can be accomplished on the other side!  Smiley
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I want to say thank you to you for always being so encouraging.  It really makes me feel good about myself when you and everyone else say they like my honesty and tell-it-like-it-is approach in my writing.  I usually feel so self conscious about how I write, thinking that it's so juvenile, but when I hear that my straight-forwardness makes me seem so real and honest, it really puts a smile in my heart.
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thank u, lol, for saying thank you! I'm just grinning here. I understand. I did a lot of self editing myself in my book, and as the book changed, I found I was changing subtly along with it. did you ever cry while you were writing? I did!  Cry Grin  oh, how I hated snipping myself..my book pages to get it to the size I wanted.
It's because you don't want to tell a lie, to mislead others, you are an honest person. you just want it to be real. it's working Vicki. have faith!
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I agree with what you say about finding the commonalities between our experiences and other people's experiences.  It's like finding a familiar face in the crowd.  It feels good to make that connection and to feel right at home. 
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HAPPY CENTURY Vicki!   we are now full swing in the shift in consciousness. fasten your seatbelts I always say.  Cheesy
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Reply #12 - Feb 17th, 2009 at 10:09pm
 
Boy are we WAY off topic, here...but hey, I started this thread so that's ok by me.

Tell Ryan to contact me please!  I thought he was on Facebook but I can't find him there. 

Anyway, did I cry while editing by book?  No, not from having to edit or take things out.  Once written I feel those words were engraved in the Universe, whether anyone gets to read them or not. 

For the things I had to cut out, I can use those stories on my blog or something!  How's that for looking on the bright side?

As far as crying while writing, yes there are a few places that really have the tears come out.  Even when I read it for the final copy, it can bring tears at times. 

I hope Bruce doesn't mind me saying...but my stories have brought tears to his eyes a couple times, so that to me is one of the biggest compliments I can receive.  I hope people reading my book will get the same reaction to some of my stories. 

The manifestation experience of mine you're referring to...my guide Luis...when I told my dad that story (about 11 years ago) he said, "You need to tell that story to everyone, and continue telling it.  There are people who need to hear it!"  It was that encouragement that helped me decide to write down my stories.  And I owe it to others who have written their own experiences and stories, because that helped mold my belief that we all have such a good story to tell. 

Love you too~

Vicky
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Re: Double Retrieval
Reply #13 - Feb 17th, 2009 at 10:41pm
 
Yeah Vicky. You have a wise dad.
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Re: Double Retrieval
Reply #14 - Feb 17th, 2009 at 11:27pm
 
re: Edgar Cayce--this was a personality who even as a younger child, was asking to be of universal service to those in need, hence most likely his Disk/greater self was probably quite attuned to PUL, and perhaps finishing up its full graduation in this system, though as the readings said this Soul got a little side tracked.  His source also said that he was a rather old soul and that people would benefit from knowing him, yet also chiding him somewhat on other occasions about his extremist tendencies, etc.  Said he needed to be more personally clear, body balanced/strong, and spiritual/PUL attuned as a personality for the info to come through clearer and more accurately.

  Said his next life may develop to that capacity to be a liberator of the world in its relationships to individuals in those periods to come.  What exactly that means, i do not know.  Sounds like a full graduate, or close to, in the flesh.
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