I don't tend to miss people per se, but i definitely enjoyed Ryans energy.   We also both love the Chili Peppers, and their new more positive, spiritual, and conscious direction.

Hey Alysia!
Hi ! 

I do NOT flatter !  I do think though that some folks--many, actually -- need to be reminded of their good qualities, so I try to remind them. If they are worried or down on themselves, that is holding back their spiritual development. so reminding them of their good stuff is just an attempt to give them a boost,  some spiritual 'uppers'!

I did  it first on retrievals to try to dislodge those stuck souls from their lower frequencies. It worked well there, so why not do the same for us incarnates who are still walking and trudging along the path ?

-- Speaking of giving souls a boost, do you know what I was just thinking about missing? --  I miss the song lyrics that Kathy  and blink and you Alysia used to post. Love songs to us all that reminded us that PUL is all around, that it can be expressed in beautiful ways. I miss that.

Bets

thanks Justin, for your Cayce insight. rings true. btw..send my book to you yesterday. postage 2.23. you're worth it!
_____

Bets, Alysia, and Romain, that's what makes you guys such good moderators--you're ability to encourage folks and raise Consciousness here on this board.
_____
Vicki moves us back on topic!   I agree Bets with your comment about boost. and you are super in that dept. just personally speaking, some things you said to me, very nice things indeed, in private, I was not able to accept due to my own self image problems. it doesn't mean I didn't appreciate your comments, just that I had a problem accepting when people say nice things to me. I must say I am improving in that area, should anyone want to give me a compliment! haha!  
_____
just briefly, if that's possible, uhmm, I'm with Bets, Romain and Vicki, that's it's very important to point out a poster's positive attributes, or if you don't see anything positive, perhaps decline to join negative posts that could build if we added our own sense of negativity.
_______

So along those lines, since my own retrieval experiences obviously seem to have the same pattern to them, does anyone have any ideas they can offer about how I can raise my awareness during such experiences?
____
I think your awareness is doing fine, perhaps if you thought about how to raise your awareness even more, you'd have to practice some specific methods. probably Bruce's. the 5th book he wrote, the guide, holds a lot of exercises for that.
_____

How do I go from feeling like I'm an observer, to feeling like I am in the know and can begin to lend a hand and interact with these stuck souls, the way Bruce wrote about in his books?
_____
from my opinion, the observer position is a benefit. and the observer is a part of the mind which is a recent development, for me.
observing, without having to become involved necessary give me a feeling of immeasurable freedom of choice.
On focus 27 is a retrieval school if you want to go there in your imagination, you can get much training while you are asleep at night.
______ 

I wonder if there is a difference because this retrieval happened while I was asleep, i.e. in the dream states?  But no, I don't think so.  I remember my first retrieval happened in the middle of the afternoon while my kids were watching TV in the next room.
_____
My first retrieval I was asleep in the body, but awake in the mind. All the retrievals are different states of consciousness levels. during 911 I was aware I was awake, in the body, sitting on a chair, while my mind was stationed somewhere else. This was called phasing by Bruce.
Phasing is volitional, and you feel that you are a part of it all.
However, the sleep state retrievals are every bit as real feeling as the phase ones and just as profoundly effecting. 
With the phasing, it's necessary to set a firm intention. the intention is everything to begin it. however, with my first retrieval it was involuntary. that is where the mind awakens and it is aware it is somewhere, and it doesn't know how it got there, because the intention was unconsciously placed.
that's why phasing is desirable. it appears as an advanced form of astral projection.
However, I simply love popping up somewhere and wondering where I am, as I constantly feel I lose myself and then happily find myself right where I always was. I'm no help at all huh Vicki?
-------

I was certainly NOT physically asleep when that one happened, and yet I still had the feeling of merely watching and not doing much participating.  I still did not feel that the people involved could see or hear me.  
_____
I think, if I may offer my insight to the retrieval you made here, that you were supposed to just be observing, for this run, to learn some things. for instance, when I read about the pg black gal who was doing the retrieving, I knew you were observing a pro.
as you explained, she led the conversation, using an image of herself as pg, then talking about her father whom she was "estranged" from, this led the thoughts of the father into the direction of thinking about his family ties.
she really couldn't just say," hey, bubba, your two dead kids are waiting for you to go get them."

He wasn't ready to be thinking about his kids with upfront talk.
So she was showing Vicki, how to manipulate the thought area of the retrievee, how to get him sympathetic, how to get him to the love part, without him focusing on the sad details of losing his kids.
See, she's a pro, because she knows the kids didn't really die.
He doesn't know that yet.  

So you will assimilate these experiences, so you can become more involved on how to be subtle, and lead them into where you want them to go without arousing fear or mistrust in them.
___
also Vicki, my first retrieval, I was observing also, my guide told me to get involved so I jumped in, yet he didn't see me at first. I was a ghost to him. this was discouraging for a new retriever, first time out. So I went back to the guide and told her, well, he doesn't see me, won't you show me how?
she said no. she wanted me to try again. so I couldn't get too close to him it seemed. by using emotion I thought over to the boy (he was injured to himself, but to me, he had already lost his physical life body) I had to pretend he was still alive, like he thought he was.

I thought over to him, what a mother would think. I said I believe in you, that we can get you out of this mess.
Look at me, see me. please stop running away. He focused in on me intently only if I sent PUL. then he could see me.
So I'd say Bruce is right on, when he talks about retrieving with PUL, and I didn't even know Bruce at the time.

So PUL is what gets you involved more with the scene, with active participation in it. he sometimes looked away from me, and I kept repeating my message and I pretended I was his mother. I love most kids anyway, it wasn't hard to do that part.
I'm sure Vicki has a lot of PUL, or I don't think she'd even be here.
I think we both learned a lot from Bruce's books.
_________

I remember toward the end of my very first retrieval, my thoughts actually did finally get through to one person, but again I had that point-of-consciousness feeling the entire time, and never felt physically part of their world.
______
well, maybe you won't feel physically part of their world, I've only had one retrieval where I felt something solid to the touch, by using my hand to touch it; I always knew I was somewhere other than a physically based world.
The problem is, as I see it, we're trained to think in terms of a physical solid, touch it, see it, hear it, universe.
That's all that's real to us.
Monroe, btw, had the sense of touching, seeing things as solid and real. look how advanced he is though!

When you get to the place where you begin to question which world is more real, then you are making very good progress!  
________

How do others experience their retrieval experiences I want to know?  This is probably why I write/share my experiences in such detail.  I'm always analyzing these kinds of things.
____
you have a fine anyalyzer. we may be analyzing forever. couldn't think who I'd rather analyze with...I hope I said something you can use.
_______ 

I guess it boils down to that thing Bruce teaches about playing along in that person's reality.  You have to make yourself become seen and heard to them, otherwise they will not perceive you.  That's the next thing I need to learn how to do.
____
yes, playing along. you hit the nail on the head. You can meet them wherever they are at by playing along.

I remember one retrieval didn't seem real at all, but one thing stood out; the guides who took him over, who took him from me, were playing along with his desire to find the motherlode. he was a gold miner in life who never found it.
they pretended they knew where it was. actually, they did know, but their ideas of the motherlode were quite different; still, it was a way to awaken him from a never-ending quest.
the guides always look filmy, like ghosts to me, I can make out the number, 2, 3, or 4 or more, but nothing that tells me, this is real, this is solid, and you're on the right track alysia. nothing like that.

confirmation comes in more subtle ways, and has to do with the heart chakra, if you feel good afterwards, for the sake of the other.
I think the mind and the heart have to work together in retrievals.

Bets, maybe we could start a music thread sometime in off topics?
I reminese when Blink and I did some spontaneous poetry. I had fun seeing myself in poetry as a flying pig dropping raspberry cake crumbs from the sky getting shot down by an unbeliever....
I'm keeping busy. started another book..it will be about love relationships.

Vicki, if you've read this far, lol, I meant to ask you to describe which thoughts you were able to project into the person? as you said there was some success for you there.

Thanks for your posts and analyses as usual Alysia.  They are always insightful.  I liked what you said about the helper in my retrieval, about how I could learn by observing her.  That is so true!  Wow, I never seem to notice the obvious until someone points it out to me.

Yes, that stuff about phasing is very true too.  Like you, I do enjoy the excitement of just popping into an experience unexpectedly, but I could learn a lot too about phasing.

About flattery...when I said it, I didn't mean it in a negative way.  I don't think that word has to be taken negatively at all.  What I really meant was, you guys make me blush.  I'm a Libra, so I do love getting complimented.



You asked about what I said which made the person in my first retrieval hear me...that retrieval too involved a couple young kids (and I think it's the mother in me which attracts these experiences).  It was an experience where I kept losing my focus of attention on what I was doing and would come back to the blackness of my closed eyes. 

I'd remember what Bruce said about just putting myself back there by intending to do so, and I'd instantly be back, but each time I came back it was like some time had passed. 

Anyway, by the time I actually got these kids' attention, I had remembered to actually try to interact with them...so while they were waiting for their mom to pick them up, I thought in my mind something like, "I could take you somewhere nice to have fun", thinking my good intentions were a great idea. 

But the boy yelled at me, "No!  My mom is coming to get me!" 

When I say he yelled it, I mean I literally heard it as if with my physical ears.  It was shocking and jarring and it brought me right out of the experience once again. 

It was at that point I knew without a doubt that I really did have contact with whomever these kids were, in whatever reality they were in, and that this experience was real. 

His statement also made me realize that what I had suggested would be the kind of thing a kidnapper or child molester would say!  For crying out loud, I'd never do that to a physical child, try to lure them away without them even knowing me!!! 

I should have had more sense than that.  Good for that boy to stand up to me and yell at me! 

But at least I had gotten through, if only for a brief moment.  So I really need to learn the art of working my way into the other person's reality. 



Ok, thanks for the talk.  Intention for that opportunity has now been set.

Hi Spooky,

I agree with your technique.  I am a person who likes to be prepared ahead of time and plan as much as possible.  The idea of prepping for a couple weeks sits well with me.

I think the need for observation is true, but will probably only be needed as long as I allow it to go on.  If I'm truely ready to push forward for more challenging things, then it's up to me to prove that to myself. 

What I'd also like to accomplish, which being more "active" is required for this, is to do what Bruce emphasizes, and that is to ask to be given, shown, or told something that will prove to me that this experience is real.  What I'd like to be able to do is get the person's name or some other information that can be verified in some way. 

Although my level of awareness satisfies me that my experience is real, I still haven't yet accomplished gaining some verifiable physical-world evidence. 

While I don't need it to prove to myself that these nonphysical experiences are real I do, however, need it to open up my nonphysical perceptive abilities--as Bruce says, this is what happens when we break down our barriers. 

And so that's what I want.  I wanna go for the gusto, take all I can get!  As much as I appreciate the experiences I've had so far, I know there's a lot more out there to gain. 

Vicky

Hi Bets,

Yep, I'm sure we either consciously or unconsciously ask and set intent for these experiences. 

I like that I had an OBE about "retrieving people who needed help in transition" before I even read Bruce's first book!  At the time, I didn't know what this meant, but knew this was supposed to be my job.  Then when I began reading Bruce's stuff, it all made sense.

I know of another person who had a very similar experience as mine before he read Bruce's stuff too. 

It seems like Bruce was nonphysically gathering us all up out there somehow!  And here we are!

So I figure I'm just here trying to get as much on-the-job training as I can.

Hi Alysia,

Planning intention ahead is definitely needed, especially for the reasons you described.  For one, when I suddenly find myself out there, I am not as saavy as you that I could have answered a question!  Of course, I never have a guide pop right in to ask me anything either.  Or maybe they do and I'm oblivious.  But what usually tends to happen is that I am so shocked and dumbfounded I can't think on my feet of what I'd like to be doing at the moment.  The shock of finding myself out there usually just has me in utter awe.

I get easily distracted (and forgetful) I guess.  I practice on people, whether they know it or not.  Have practiced on you before with good results! 
Once tried to practice on Bruce, going OBE to visit him, and all I ended up with was walking out of my house through the garage and then finding myself standing on the driveway.  In the matter of seconds it took me to reach the driveway, I had completely forgotten what I was doing, where I was going, etc.  Didn't even remember I was out of body. 

Also, when it comes to finding yourself in the midst of another's presense, it really IS hard to think about yourself or other things.  It's like you are suddenly captivated by their energy presense and what is happening in their reality.  At least that's how it is for me.  And then I'm such a feeling person anyway, that feelings tend to take over leaving logic in the dust. 

But these aspects are what happens when I suddenly find myself out nonphysically.  What I will be consciously working on next is to do retretrieval exercises from an awake state, so that my normal thinking can be more useful to me--less awe to take over the controls hopefully. 

Although I know from past experience that I STILL get easily distracted.  That's just me.  Like Bruce says, those pesky associations to interpretations just keep going.

Oh I always love to chat and share, but find I can be reluctant at times.  Bruce encouraged me to share this retrieval, so I did and it's been fun having all this attention and talk that came out of it.

Like you, I too try to find the triggers for things.  In fact, that's the case with me in just about all things paranormal. 

Nonphysical experiences I've had with you Alysia: 
1.  A few years ago when you and I were becoming friends on the board here, talking a lot on this site...I inadvertently tapped into you.  This is one of those things where I cannot identify the trigger! 

I heard The Voice tell me (just like a physical voice) "You have to take Voyages Into The Unknown to work, read the story of Curiosity, and do a synopsis of it on the Bruce's site".  I literally stopped dead in my tracks and couldn't believe what I'd heard.  I tried to resist and ignore it (as I usually do) but it reiterated.  So I grabbed the book, took it to work, read the story of Curiosity (and was thoroughly pleased that I did, because for some reason it just really sank in at that time and I got a lot out of it), came back home, dreaded sitting down to figure out how to write up a synopsis for Bruce's site and wondered why I'd need/want to do that in the first place...then I find out that you, Alysia, had ALREADY done the same thing that very morning while I was at work. 

Thanks by the way...I really did not want to have to write that synopsis.

2.  Once while trying to contact you nonphysically, be it by phasing or OBE, I found myself with complete amnesia sitting on my driveway playing patty-cake with you.  We were like 2 little girls giggling, playing, and having fun.  Or like sisters.  But on another level we were aware on a higher-self level of awareness and communicating through thought-energy means, probably comparing notes and whatnot. 

A tall, handsome, black man wearing a very nice suit walks up the driveway with one of those smiles that shows the higher self shining through, and it clicked with me that I was in a nonphysical experience and my memory came back of who I was in my physical life.  He very politely said to you, "Mind if I borrow Vicky for a while?" and I went with him.  Apparently to do some nonphysical work that I had probably set intention for?  But unfortunately I clicked out--don't remember any more after that.  Wish I did!  I wonder what we went to work on.

3.  Another time I tried to contact you without having a real plan in mind, I remained very awake and aware of my body and surroundings, but the most vivid and movie-like picture came into my mind's eye.  I was a point of consciousness and following a moving car.  I was not driving, just observing.  I could see the landscape in the foreground which made me think I was in Arizona or New Mexico.  It's a 2-lane highway.  I can see the cars in the other lane as they pass.  As I follow the car in front of me, I see it is a convertible and I see every detail of the car.  I see the steering wheel and radio--the radio looked like a replica of a 50's car radio although I knew it was a replica and knew that the car was a modern-day model. 

In this experience I remember wondering how long this would last and was amazed at how real everything looked.  I just kept watching, as if watching a movie, not sure what this was about or anything.  Probably lasted at least 3-4 minutes I'd say.  That was it.

And that's all I can remember off the top of my head.  I'd have to look in my old notes to find more. 
 
Vicky