Hi Everyone,

This is a neat place.  I lurk here occasionally but this is my first time posting on this forum.  I've read all of Bruce's books and Robert A. Monroe's also and recognized some of topics as certain experiences I've had also.

I've never done a retrieval that I'm aware of, am curious about the subject but have had some negative psychic experiences that make me leery.  Anyhow I had a very strange dream that bothers me, is a bit upsetting, and I am wondering if any of you have had a similar dream.  (I've read some of your dreams here and find them fascinating).

In the dream, I was in a "Whales and Friends" store (neat store, they sell all kinds of neat art stuff and knick knacks and such).  It's bright and a fun place.  When I decided to leave, instead of going out the front door, I left out the back door and found myself in a what looked like a dark warehouse, no light was on but I could see in the dark.  As I walked through the warehouse, I saw a small blond girl dressed all in white who gave off a golden light.  She's really beautiful.  I sort of noted she had a twin brother who was also around her.  When I saw her, I started to walk towards her, and thought to myself "she's dead, doesn't know it, and needs help to be retrieved."  I wanted to help her very much.  When I got to her, I kneeled down to face her and talk to her.  I gently told her that she has passed on and that I would help her cross over.  She shook her head at me and said "No, you don't understand.  It is you who are dead and I have been sent here to retrieve you.  We have been trying for a very long time to retrieve you"  When she said this, I could not comprehend it, it made no sense to me.  Seemed humorous actually.  Then I woke up.

Now I wonder if I'm living in the twilight zone, LOL.

I have had similar dreams where people come to tell me similar things, "that I've been sitting there drawing the same stuff over and over again and that I'm kind of away from everyone and things are moving on and I need to move on too."  This particular dream made me sad.

Has anyone else experienced this or heard of anyone who has?
Am I dead and don't know it?  LOL.

Ah well...I guess I'm hoping to find out I'm still alive, LOL.

Thanks for any insight.   

Hi Hope,

we're all here with you!   

Another possibility is that an aspect of you has passed away. Perhaps it's an aspect that the little girl can relate to, some characteristic of childhood?

Several people have told of such a partial "death.' I think I had one. But when it is accepted consciously, perhaps just by saying in your mind that you accept it, a fresh new energy is given,  sometimes with special effects, sometimes as a gradually dawning awareness. (Try it, you'll probably like it  )

In any case, you won't be obliterated because it is impossible to obliterate souls!

Bets

Welcome to the board Hope. I am agreeing with what's been said here.

Personally, I've taken several years to figure out my own similar type dreams and obes. What I think happens is the dreams are like seed plantings in the level of conscious awareness, and that linear time is necessary to get the fruit of those seeds.

just some associations to offer: in the spirit world, which after we are "dead" becomes our familiar home once more.
From the station of invisible helpers in spirit, they will often remark to us, the living, that we are the ones who are dead.

so you can see that on the other side, the view is so much wider, the perspective much grander, the mind much more unlimited in it's scope.

Retrievals are specifically, I have thought of it in these terms, to awaken the dead in spirit.
although we prefer to call it here, removing them, getting them unstuck from their belief system which is like a habitual thought pattern, in turn, creates their respective reality and experiences here. sometimes a belief system can be like a block to receive, joy, PUL, love into our lives as well as illusive peace of mind we all want and deserve.
We become addicted to living in ELS. (Earth) we think that life here is all there is. with some of these dreams you may have, it points to your becoming unstuck and a gradual opening is occurring, just to consider what exactly is "dead?" and what does it mean when you can feel totally alive?

I think the answer lies in the ability to give and receive love, that which is without conditions on it, from the heart chakra, and that when we develop the ability to express only love in all that we do, and say and think, then we are truly alive every moment of the day, and your path becomes very smooth eventually, in this place where all questions can be answered quickly. the cessation of conflict is here.

thank you for your dream! it shows you are guided, and that you are waking up and broadening your thought.

btw, when I first was studying the art of retrieval, I wondered intensely, just how it could be so, that a dead person would not know they were dead.
and so my higher self provided that info. to me, as I became "dead."
It was love, through my daughter, in the dream which retrieved me to a state of a new beginning.
it was love and only love which would be expression of that also, which came to be my salvation.
and so in the retrieval areas, we are demonstrating love for one another to awaken ourselves to you are so much more than a mere body passing thru here.
this is very good news!

some more afterthoughts: quote: I have had similar dreams where people come to tell me similar things, "that I've been sitting there drawing the same stuff over and over again and that I'm kind of away from everyone and things are moving on and I need to move on too."  This particular dream made me sad.

Has anyone else experienced this or heard of anyone who has?
Am I dead and don't know it?  LOL.

Ah well...I guess I'm hoping to find out I'm still alive, LOL.
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also you expressed a sad feeling after the dream. concentrate on the feeling of sadness..follow it consciously and find out why you were sad, theres a rote there for you.
Sad is ok, because it means we are figuring something out about our own selves. it will pass, the feeling once you understand why the dream occurred.

it reminds me, the sadness I felt when higher self, in the form of my own body, came and told me to work on myself, to not reject other people when they try to show me love, as I was closed up at that time. I still work at being an extrovert rather than introverted. Sadness does disappear eventually; it's just prodding you on, is all.

next you said you wanted very much to help her. This is your higher self operating when you want to retrieve someone, you are wanting to express your higher nature, which is love itself.
Note this in yourself, and give yourself credit that you have this pure instinct which can blossom into doing more retrievals of a genuine spiritual nature..it is like your intention. intentions are what counts in this world.
also you will note that to enter the kingdom of God, we all become as children, that would mean, we become unstuck in adult ways of thinking which do not allow us the freedom of the imaginative childlike vistas of our spiritual world, where we are free from dogma, rules and structure of the ELS. the love you felt for her, and the love she felt for you was pure, unconditional and consequently, not of this earth domain. You are obviously, being called to your full spiritual potential just as all of are these days..whew....don't get me started!

love to you! don't worry, the movie has a way of moving us along whether we want to go or not...

Thank you all for your kind remarks.  It's eased my mind somewhat.

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I don't know actually.  I was told by psychics I have a "twin sister" but she manifested in my waking environment (some of those in my waking environment negative psychic experiences I alluded to earlier) as someone who is enraged because I'm some sort of "leak"  that "cries all the time."  And I've been threatened with many energies (in waking life people both known and strangers saying stuff that is not congruent with the reality of the moment) with the obliteration of my soul (that "energy bodies do die") (thanks betson for telling me this is not possible, I hope you're right).  I definitely don't think this is her.  I sure hope not anyhow, lol.

"love to you! don't worry, the movie has a way of moving us along whether we want to go or not" (quote from Laffinrain)

I find this funny, Laffinrain, because in the dream where I draw the same thing over and over again, it's my "brother" who "makes movies" who comes back to check on my progress and to tell me that I'm drawing the same thing over and over again.  (I have no actual siblings in this current physical lifetime).

In the dream, I'm alone, in the season fall of the year, and keep drawing the two room cabin in which I reside and each room has a window.  Outside one window in one room you can see a tree, outside the other window you can see a lake.  My "brother who makes movies," periodically comes back to check on my progress, tells me that what I see out the window is what is actually no longer there.  I am notified the body of water has long ago moved on.  The sadness is a nostalgia.  Where do I go now?

This same "nostalgic" sadness also appears in another dream where I have a "father" (some man I know in the dream and not my physical father) who says I have to move from my very old house as the street in front of my house is going to cave in and I will lose my belongings and they are not insured.  I love my old house (actually in real life do live in an old house, lol).

Overall, it must be a fear of change.  I find I don't fear change and, in many ways welcome it, but I do desire to be in a state of safety.  However I'm working on this fear, with the bizarre threats of "soul obliteration" "erasure," I am figuring that if I'm so awful and to be eliminated as an energy, then perhaps death will bring the peace I seek in my body or even a rebirth.

Such a strange lifetime this has turned out, lol.

Thanks to you all for your input.

After posting here, I did ask for clarification from my higher self ("please tell me what's going on with all these weird dreams and experiences")and was given a dream this weekend.  A very strange one...please excuse any offensive imagery...

I had to go to the bathroom.  In order to go to the bathroom, I know I have to get a key from a man who has the key.  I went through some kind of maze to get the key from him and turned on the light.  The sudden light was glaring, uncomfortably bright.  There are two rooms, one room is the actual bathroom, the other holds a sight that was a shock to see.  And I am stunned by what I saw, as it appeared to be a contradiction of a spiritual sort.  In that room, there was a bed with a woman from India laying on it.  She had long, matted dark hair, was dirty, unkempt and dressed garishly.  I saw right away many things, she was a prostitute kept in this room by the man who holds the key to the bathroom and within her body was held the total of all with no bondaries (there are no words to convey all that her body held within).  Her body held all that is of depth, breadth, width and then some (how do you describe something of no discernable beginning or end?).

However the sight that shocked me was this and I want to understand this but, thus far, can't:   

When the light was turned on (and apparently each time the light is turned on), she immediately spreads her legs.  It appeared as an automated function of what happens when the light is turned on.

However, the sight of is immense discomfort and it stuns the beholder into...how to say this.. "did i really see what i just saw?"  "how does this make sense?"  "is she tethered to the bed or did i see tethers that are not there?"   Someone notifies me that this is the reason the light in only on for such a brief moment.  First no one knows what they have seen, as it is so far incomprehensible and then, if you were to understand, no one apparently knows what to do about it.

However, the dream continues.   Someone (me a part of that?) convinces someone (the man?) to let her out of the room and she is invited to have dinner with a group of us.  She sits across the table from me.  I look at her curiously.  In her eyes, there is no self awareness, there is all and yet nothing at all.  Her dress is red and dirty, she has no sense of self hygene.  I know her thought at that moment (how, I don't know?) but she is not in a place where she knows what to do.  We wait for her to speak but she has no awareness of self to say anything.  (Was it all stolen from her?  But no, she has all without end.)  I stare at her and wait for her to say anything at all.  Eventually she does.  She asks if she can leave and go back to her room.  I watched her get up from the table and leave.

Then something happens that, upon waking, has disturbed me.  The man that I got the key from because I had to go to the bathroom now expected me to sleep with him.  I was indignant and said no.

This corresponds to something a psychic told me years ago.  I went to her for a reading when things were getting very strange in my world.  She said her grandmother had a story for me.  Badly paraphrasing but she said a woman had a son who was a male priest, he would visit his mother occasionally and only listened to what she said if it corresponded to what the church said.  The mother was a Catholic too but she was his mother and wanted to see him more and listen to what she had to say.  He was too busy with the doings of the church.  Finally she told him she was going away until he wanted to see her.  She went away and he missed her.  Eventually he sought her out and apologized for how he treated her.

(I guess we all signed up for some interesting things to see this lifetime, lol).

Hi Hope,

Would you happen to be about 23 years of age?
I'm thinking of some news events back then and wonder if you overheard them and somehow they've stayed with you and are resurfacing. 

Bets

LaffingRain wrote on Aug 26^th, 2008 at 2:01am:


Yes! Yes! This is so very true!!  Thank you.

"Never forget the three powerful resources you always have available to you: love, prayer, and forgiveness.”

I pray for forgiveness someday.

LaffingRain wrote on Aug 26^th, 2008 at 5:46am:

This is true for all.  Thank you for your kind and encouraging words. 
It seems we are all on a quite a journey.  I am truly grateful.  I am trying very hard to keep an open mind towards understanding this particular lifetime (is certainly an interesting one so far).  Each and all humans are such beautiful beings and are worthy of PUL. 

love, hope