Something else occurred to me when it comes to David Icke claiming that Jesus was drugged so it would appear that he was dead. DON'T PASSED OUT PEOPLE CONTINUE TO BREATH? Didn't at least one person say, "He's not dead, he's still breathing. I can see his chest moving."

Just a bit more here...In all the books I have read, and there's not all that many, there have many different ideas and attempts to have me make my mine up to what is truth. You will never find Bob, Bruce, or Rosalyn trying to win you over to their side. And never by using fear. All three tell you to make up your own mind. Use your own judgment. Be true onto yourself. Any book that uses fear as their means to get you to do what they want, including the most famous book of all, the Bible, has no meaning to me. Don't be confused about my love of "God" or my belief of "God". There is no larger source of PUL than my God. That's why when I read these three people I know their words to be true. Spirit tells me so.

  Joe, later on you say the below..

hawkeye wrote on Jul 15^th, 2008 at 2:00pm:



...But first and before that you say this,
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  So which one is it, as there seems to be a noticeable difference between your statements?

 
Also, you keep mentioning fear, fear, fear, and how we shouldn't be afraid of any Reptilians or E.T.'s.   I completely agree with you, and i've said similar all along.   But is there not a difference between "fear" and simple "awareness" of the whole pie? 

  According to my wifes dreams and Rosiland's guides and her viewing of the probable future timeline for Earth, come the year 2500 or so, there is a probable direct confrontation and conflict between us and the (hopefully temporally) not so positive E.T.'s.   And i really wouldn't be surprised if that group was the "reptilians", though i don't know for a fact either way. 

   My wife has also had dreams about reptilians (or at least one), and in the dream it is noted that they are apparently allowed to try to psychically influence people and do do that if the person isn't strong or loving enough, or doesn't call on higher forces to intervene.    Sometimes, you gotta ask for help from the right sources...

  Interestingly, my wife has read nothing about reptilians, and we have talked very little about reptilians all in all.

I must add that on the two occasions I saw a reptilian like being I don't know if they are the reptilians people speak about. Whatever the case, I believe our fate is up to us. If we decide to be wise and loving, we'll be okay.

recoverer wrote on Jul 16^th, 2008 at 5:33pm:



  Yup, i agree, it's essentially a freewill thing, but you of all people know that sometimes loving and well intentioned folks get mislead by not so positive sources and there is suffering involved.   Sometimes it can take a lot to "wake up" again.

hawkeye wrote on Jul 17^th, 2008 at 3:17pm:


  You seemed to have really misunderstood part of my other post.  In any case, re: my wife's dream, the Reptilian in the dream was very unloving, manipulative, and predatory in nature.   I believe the dream was part symbolic and part more literal in nature.  I also know someone who saw a Reptillian in physical, while fully conscious, and is not the kind of person to make something like this up.   They were very bothered by the vibe of this being.   Fortunately, as i've mentioned, other beings more aware and powerful than these, look out for us, and don't allow direct physical harm (at least until 2500).

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  Yes, why should any of us be afraid of something that may happen in 500 years, that really wasn't the point i was trying to make.   If these unfriendly E.T.'s weren't something to be aware of, i doubt Rosiland's guidance whom i sense are very loving and aware consciousnesses, would not have even mentioned them to begin with. 

I feel there is a deeper purpose for them disseminating that info to begin with, and NOT to make people afraid, but to make people (and maybe some individuals more so than others) aware of such influences in the ELS. 

  Or, as my wife's dream seemed to indicate, they (Reptilians) are apparently allowed to psychically influence people in negative ways NOW, IF the person involved is not attuning enough to love, is unbalanced, and/or isn't seeking direction and help from more purely Creative and helpful sources.   

  If a person is being influenced by same, chances are they are quite unconscious to it to begin with, and things will only change if they decide to start consciously and purposely asking for help from very loving and evolved sources, and/or start to become more balanced and/or more loving and spiritually centered themselves.   Quite a few people think they are more loving and evolved than they really are.

Again, nothing to be "afraid" of, but something to be aware of, there is a difference, and it would be well that people understood and were aware that there are powerful forces out there that would mislead and thus harm through their negative misleading and influencing. 

  It would be well that when people go into meditation or various altered state activities that they ask for help and guidance from consciousnesses who are purely Creative, helpful, and PUL attuned in nature.    Certainly not Monroe's overly open ended, "as advanced or more than me" stuff--i don't know what the guy was thinking when he came up with that. 

And not in a fearful way, as in expecting something negative to happen or some kind of battle or what not, but just in a conscious, appreciative way, and seeking to open self to the highest possible influences so that self can be the clearest and most effective channel of blessings to others (and all Creation). 

  Personally, i don't look at the Reptillians, or any being or any group of beings as "enemies".   I know we are all part of Source and one another, no matter how far or how long some stray.   I love them and wish them well.  Nor am i afraid of them.  But i certainly don' t want to be consciously or unconsciously influenced by them, nor do i want any others to be either. 

  Again, i believe Rosiland's guidance mentioned the unfriendly E.T.'s for a deeper reason, and that some people who would come upon her material, would need to know more consciously about this group or groups.   Maybe it would be part of their path, to counter balance such influences or what not?   To even begin to deal with things like this, you first have to be conscious of them in the first place. 

Repressing the shadow side of reality in particular, oft leads to issues and imbalances that block spiritual growth in the long run.   And spiritual growth is the name of the game for everyone, isn't it?   Anything that misdirects and misleads from same, could be considered "harmful" in nature.

Very interesting Justin, How cool to see one in Real Time, so to speak.
I missed the predatory part in the story about your wife. Being aware of any ET's is important in itself. Many don't get that there is "contact" at this point already. I sure don't mind being watched over by those wanting the best for my disk group. That of course includes myself watching over me.
I also agree that even the reptilians come from source and therefor are a part of the big picture. There may well be concerns with a reptilian force at some point, I just don't personally see now as being that time or a part of my needed lessons. Perhaps some 450 years in the future will be different. When I spoke to Rosalyn last time she mentioned that she has a large amount of tapes of her sessions with Bob Monroe that she has never revisited. I think I had mentioned it before to you. There could be more insight within those tapes but she also said that she didn't feel the need to review then all. I hope they go to a good place. Another book would be great. Now there is a soul that you can just feel the PUL when you are near her.
I wouldn't want to see anybody's spiritual growth being blocked by the influence of a reptilian agenda that they needn't be concerned about or not even exist. But for some of us, these may be the lessons for our existence here on this little blue marble. Or ones we may soon have. I wonder what physical influences she, Rosalyn, spoke of were? Cancer, being born crippled, making hair fall out, (like me these days). Some physical problems can be important to have, in order to move ahead spiritually. And being aware of "everything" is not all that important to me. Some lessons are learned best when they are not expected.
And Briggs, If Mr Ike is providing you with what you need then its all good. I don't believe in the whole baby eating thing, or the Jesus thing, but are there breeding agendas,? Yes, that's why royals marry royals. The whole Blue Blood thing. Not sure how Bush fits in but...I think it has more to do with politics than lizards. I think that in days gone past, certain families ruled countries. It was better to marry someone in power so as to join forces or to extend influences. That's why I think there is the whole marrying from within.
Of course the only other thing is that I sure don't know everything and you can be sure that I have many lessons to learn. I am sure of that. One lession I have got is that extending love is far more important that fear. I will stick to love. I will leave the fear up to others. And on that note...here's a bit for All of you, including Mr Ike.(and the reptilians of course.)

About Lloyd Pye, his theory and critics of his theory at wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lloyd_Pye

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