Oh, thank you LaffingRain!  You may be opening up a whole can of worms!   

Love, Michele

thistle wrote on May 17^th, 2008 at 12:46am:


thank you Michele for your reading of my most prominent, or 2nd prominent retrieval and I will respond here because I too get lost in this board where to go...I am so lucky no one has told me to go jump in the river yet! haha!

Others may jump in here if they want, to clarify something, but an OBE and astral projection is one and the same thing to me. and you are correct about the objective of doing retrievals is to assist, not what we call a lost soul, now we are calling them "stuck" souls, because lost souls is old fashioned religious term, no longer applies.
When a soul is stuck, it is to say they are caught up in a depressed state of awareness where that is all they are thinking about and when a retriever comes in, they will get their attention.
Because physical retrievers have a certain vibratory rate which differs slightly from nonphysical spirit retrievers we can be seen by the stuck ones.
most often they are confused and knowing they are still living beings, but have not totally accepted they have left the physical plane of life in a body.

Not every soul gets stuck. Most pass to the other side with the aide of family members who got there before their transition, and so can acclimate the newly departed to designated areas. However, here and there are some souls who have no other family members to assist or in some cases have a belief very dominant that there is no life after death.
and so they may need retrieving, and told that there is life after death in that case.
Nonphysical helpers, retrievers work these areas ceaselessly to assist the sleepers, however, often they need the assistance of us who are still vibrating with physical consciousness to get these other's attention.
Once the attention is secured (I do this by acting friendly and we call this PUL, or pure unconditional love)  PUL is the most important part of getting someone's attention.
Once attention is gotten, then the retriever moves this attention unto the nonphysical guides standing by and I point out these others nearby, they move out of their stuck ideas and the guides take them to the reception area on focus 27 for further acclimization to these nonphysical areas where we continue living our lives, only without the use of a physical vehicle.

gosh, I hope I explained that ok!  personally, with the retrieval you read of me and Cami, for a minute she became my own daughter, I mean in the sense of the love I had for her; as I had twin girls and within my character I knew how a young girl feels and how they need their peers around them to find their identity. The feelings of nurturing her and being able to do that, gave me a sense of my own mothering identity on this Earth plane, and therefore I grew as much through the experience as Cami benefitted from being joined to her peers and moving out of the stuck depressed thought forms she lived within.
She was real too! It's like she is still my daughter. love, alysia

Alysia thanks so much
Hmmm, so in NDEs when people have described how they have seen loved ones then it would stand to reason that they are there with the dying to help them transition.
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yes, this deduction is correct and there are many many classical tales that this is so, that we are not deserted by our family members and do reunite. they monitor us when it's time for us to pass over.
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  Would those who have died unexpectedly in accidents or perhaps at the hands of another be more apt to become stuck? 
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you are so quick! lol. yes, accidents are one chosen way to exit the Planet. both people plan the accident as I have seen this planning station while out of body due to one time I was about ready to avoid an accident on the highway and I was learning how to get around it. but yes, people are more apt to be stuck with a type of "where am I?" type of awareness and thats where a retriever would help.
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  The nonphysical guides, are they the spirits of people who have died or are they something different.
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They can be beings who have had an Earth life before, and they can also be beings who have never had an Earth life but who have a high enough vibratory rate they can assist others.
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  Of course I'm not talking about the passed loved ones but the ones who "work these areas ceaselessly to assist the sleepers".
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my grandmother is now one of the helpers on the other side. She became my mothers messenger, helping her to do a life review, in preparation for mother's transition. She had a lot of PUL. When mother was feeling guilty about something she had done, Nanny would help her with it and tell her about the good things she had done, make her feel better. A lot of us work these areas upon transition and there are training places set up. The only credential to begin is compassion.
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At what level is this done by physical retrievers?  Is it a form of astral projection?  From the little I have had a chance to read so far, it seems that it is done when you go to bed.
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In the beginning I was in rem sleep. Now you can set an intention to do one and do what we call phasing. to do phasing, you relax your body but not necessarily go to sleep; you shift your attention by thinking of doing a retrieval. Other times, a lucid dream can turn into a retrieval or OBE. Bruce has some excellent books here to read of his journey, where he bypassed the need to go obe and started the superior method of phasing. Bruce Moen is the administrator here. he has 5 books out. his books explain setting an intention.
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Do you follow certain steps to "launch" into an OBE?
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Not anymore, but I know there's certain methods you can learn if the traditional obe is desired.
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I have a book that is supposed to teach that but I haven't had a chance to devote a lot of time to trying it out yet.  And frankly, I'm kind of scared about trying it.  I'm afraid I might not succeed on one and and afraid I might on the other.   
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lol!  Check out Dude's thread on the Afterlife section. He has a journal on going Obe, he would be glad to talk with you about Obe methods.
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What is the significance of the "focus" numbers?  Is there a reason those particular numbers were chosen?
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It's a general guideline I think. A way for us to communicate with one another about which level we thought we were in, by the similar definitions of that particular place.
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And what about animal spirits or guides?  Do they ever help the stuck souls to find their way?  Do they ever greet their special person at the time of death?
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I've read a number of stories about animals being there to greet owners. they do have souls and they also evolve.
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Is the poem, "Rainbow Bridge" a very accurate description of how it is for animals?  Of course I know you haven't been "there" yet.  I don't expect you or anybody to have all the answers but these are just questions I have.  Anyone's input is welcome.
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Im not familar with Rainbow Bridge, but I've met my animals in OBE, and so has my daughter.
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In your experience that you described, you did mention that your daughter drove up.  I took that to be your "real" daughter, not Cami.
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heres where I can help a little to explain focus levels. When I retrieved Cami, it was no doubt focus 23, where I would also call lower astral sometimes. then after the retrieval I phased into focus 15, where the future is seen, we can say, certain probabilities to manifest will show up. thanks for bringing that up, because at the time of the retrieval I had not made it clear why my daughter drove up and why she was in this experience. As it turns out, the retrieval had been accomplished satisfactorily, and it seemed I was being given a special treat to drift over to focus 15 and then I saw my daughter drive up.
What happened is in reality, much time later, she did drive up, we were moving out of town together and I had not even known that I was getting ready to move. I had planned to live out my life on this farm, but plans change! so the point is, that focus levels are very fluid things.
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  And if so, when you talk to her in a fully awake state does she have the same memories that you do?
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not necessarily, but they both have glimpsed that we three were together in another life.
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For instance would she say that yes, she experienced driving up to you?
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No, we usually don't have the same memories. I think the images were impressed only for my viewing the future. On the other hand, there was a period when in every dream or obe I had, I sensed my daughter's invisible presence joining me. as in observing my doings. learning something I think.
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  When you said she said she had been your mother at one time reminded how when my son was about 4 or 5 and I was tucking him into bed one night he mentioned something about when he was my mother.  It blew me away!
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I've heard that out of the mouths of babes...they are so close to spirit then..soon enough they become involved in their life and forget all about what went before, as it should be I suppose..think how confused he'd be if while you mothered him, he wanted to mother you? haha! I always had a feeling that this was my first mother experience ever..there were times they let me know, they could do a much better job of it than me!
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See, I told you you might be opening a can of worms!   
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ah yes those wiggly worms... dont worry Michele, I'm basically a professional blogger nowdays and would rather talk about this stuff with you than any of the other forums I blog on.

would like to see you progress in the area of your choice and post here again! love, alysis
anytime Michele, I assure you, I get more out of answering people and posting than I can describe.

Hi Michelle, yes I would like to see Rainbow Bridge, why not post it here, since we've been talking about it.

I don't think you have to do a life review until you are older. I think you are probably a young person; anyhoo life review is not necessary to do retrievals or have lucid dreams or explore your greater self.
just maybe meditation on whatever you're learning is something speeds up your progress.

the way I look at it, we are always retrieving even when we're not activily doing a retrieval, say, look at this way, if you say something to someone that you see who is depressed. say it's a clerk and you are checking out your groceries..you tune into them and see that they are stressed out because maybe they didn't get a break yet. so you mention you like their hairstyle, or you extend them some appreciation for their hard work...this is like retrieving by giving some love unexpected to them.

so don't feel overwhelmed with all that you view here. We're just glad to have u join us. love, alysia

I got sentimental, but I didn't need a cleenex! you know I saw this place once for a dog I had taken care of for nearly a year. this pet had never really bonded with a human. she had a disease and I had not known she did when I took her in. I gave her the first walk in the park she'd ever had, and the first taste of a real chicken.
Her name was Holly. One day she stopped eating and lost the bright look in the eye, she no longer wagged her tail when I entered the room.
Still, I had expected to have her at least 3 to 5 years and couldn't accept she was leaving me.
she lingered several weeks this way, as if she couldn't bear to leave me just yet.

Finally I realized it was my fault she suffered this way and I saw her laying in the yard one day and I knew it was time to say goodbye. it had given me much pleasure to give her a brief happy life with a human. I walked over and whispered in her ear, "it's ok honey, you can leave me now, I'll be fine, honest, no need to hang on for my sake. I told her I had to go out for an errand and would be back shortly.
when I got back home just about 30 minutes later, she had left her body. I then did my retrieval thing on her. I saw this rolling grassy hill place, and I saw caretakers of the animals, I saw many details. I saw she wanted to be a mother and that could be arranged also, as well to have a best friend to play with and a nice dog house and plenty of other companions. Dog heaven!

the strange part of this whole story was my neighbor Gabi was also attached emotionally to Holly and after Holly's transition she had this visit within dreamstate with Holly in which the dog TALKED! HAHA!

Holly said, please don't worry about me, I'm very happy now!

it was confirmation for me, my retrieval had been accomplished. 

I'm 61 Michelle, to me, anyone under 60 is a young person. however, I have confirmation I am only 19 when I travel outside my C1. (C1 stands for waking everyday consciousness) so it's relative for sure.

Neat that u do EVP! I know there must be someplace on the web to load that up but not sure if we can load up an mp3 file here, have to ask our tech guy Allen.
there must be like a U-tube site or EVP site somewhere on the web.

I'm really not sure if those are Earthbound spirits in the cemetary or just spirits passing by who noticed you had a recording device..all I know is the veil between our two dimensions is getting thinner.
I've taken many orb photos myself where spirit is able to imprint itself on film.
occassionally a spirit is attached to where their body is laying, and these will get retrieved eventually.

love, alsyia

hey I would like the link to the whistling u tube evp and I will move it over to announcements, or links thread for others. I want to see if the spirit is whistling in tune...

its never to late to do a retrieval as they are in a timeless land, not clock time in psychological sense of time going by, it's all like one day over there, I conjecture, at least for an animal so if I were you, I would imagine spending time with my fur friend and your thoughts would be taking you there if emotion of love is behind them, they are creative acts.
the use of the imagination like this has produced some experiences which give a definete sense of being there in reality and also you come back and get a sense of knowing you've been there.

With another pet I had, I wandered out in obe and found someone had taken her in for me, there's helpers over there take care of all life forms transitioned. my sister takes care of horses.
same as she did in life.

thanks! there sounds like 3 tones of whistle each a different note, as if a spirit would whistle this tune to get attention..sounds not from a mechanical source, my opinion, it's genuine.