Lucy wrote on Apr 19th, 2008 at 11:00pm:Hmm not sure where to carry on this discussion. Do you really think it is better at partnered exploration? The lines between some of these topics seem to get blurred. I also don't see why the work can't be expanded from "Retreivals" to healing visits. I guess it is up to the guides. Sometimes the guides need the earthbound to help get the attention of someone who is stuck. Are there other times us earthbound are ..useful? It is a healing request for someone who passed over. What category is that?
Not lower beings who are being deceptive. that sounds mean. Caring beings (Helpers) who are taking on a disguise in order to help. Has anyone ever thought that happened? After some of the things Tim has written I think that must be a "Yes!". But how would you know? I mean, some of the retreivers take on disguises of sorts. Maybe some of the disguise goes on longer and is done by the Helpers. It would be interesting to hear about times when folks thought that had happened and how they knew.
No one has pm'd me for a name. Is first name enough of an ident? Do you need an age? Last physical location? What is the mimimum info that works?
Hmmm yeah sometimes it is one thing, sometimes another. At 9/11 we didn't have any names...but we certainly knew what and where.
you're right. It's hard these days to know where to post what! we have so many rooms. whatever u think best is fine with me Lucy. U said u didn't think it was a retrieval, so I suggested the PE thread as we've been working a healing circle there; each week one person goes into it.
it seems theres a bit of shyness there; we don't get a lot of participation yet for someone to actually ask to be the target takes a massive courage, my opinion. after all, who can trust the internet?
so that was my thought about this. personally, you're right, at 9/11 we didn't need names. I only made two runs there, and in one, I just watched other retrievers working it. the one I did do, was real to me, a fireman or maintenance worker and I didn't have a name. however, I was emotionally involved in that situation, keyed up so to speak.
I think though that making a retrieval request should be worded "Retrieval Request" on the title of wherever u place it, in case someone here wants to do it. It's up to their guidance.
I would need first name, or a picture, or a word picture, description of basics, such as "there's a ghost sitting on my bed at night, it's scaring my wife, can u help us?"
this would make one curious perhaps, providing motivation to do a retrieval. and this really happened to me here. it was a successful retrieval. however, I don't do much of those retrievals anymore. I am just available and willing if spirit says do it (a punch in the solar plexus, or just a knowing this one is for me, something like that.) but I'll tell u Lucy, I'd rather teach you to do it yourself if I knew how to teach it. You seem like a person could do it but don't know u can do it.
oh sorry about mentioning deceptive lower astral spirits. they are not a problem really, can be blown away with PUL reball.
forget I said anything about it.