When i first started to do in the in home Gateway CD's put out by TMI, i did it really intensively for a couple of weeks.   I got to the point in it regarding the ask your guidance questions and get answers part. 

  So i asked about the Changes, particularly about the more physical aspect of same.   I got an unbidden and very, very vivid image in my mind's eye of what appeared to me to be a very active and intense, reddish orange colored, and almost "angry" seeming Sun.   

  For awhile, the Sun has had a pretty regular 11 year cycle where it reaches peak activeness (and conversely at another point, peak passiveness) as regarding Solar flares, CME's, and general energetic output.    It also flips its polarity, oddly at that peak active part of the cycle.   

  The next most active phase is scheduled by NASA to start about 2010 or so and peak in 2012, and probably stay strong for awhile after.   

   From the message i received during that meditation, my sense is that around this time, or maybe in a later cycle, the Sun is going to get very, very, very intense and active. 

My Twin Soul/Wife recently had a dream where the climate in our area was really heating and drying up, and causing a lot of issues for a lot of people and even animals and nature in general.    Many people started to get sick, and started to become more emotionally unbalanced.   

    This dream of hers, and my earlier guidance message from a few years ago is interesting because there is a book called the Dweller on Two Planets, wherein this young man Oliver channels a being who calls itself Phylos the Tibetan.   Phylos talks about many different things, and like Cayce's guides, compares America very powerfully to the "fabled" Atlantis.    Like Atlantis, Phylos sees probable upheavals and massive changes for both America and the world. One thing that Phylos specifically mentions, and which relates to the above is the "Solar heats" which may or probably will come at some point.  Btw, like Cayce's source, Phylos is apparently a big fan of Christ and talks about him a bit and very positively.

   When or if this happens, this will greatly speed up other inner Earth changes which have been in the works for quite awhile now, since 1936 if you consider Cayce's guides on the subject.

  It's important to keep in mind, when thinking about such possibilities, that this is all for the spiritual growth of humanity and will greatly facilitate this goal in a more long term sense.   

Not surprisingly then, when Robert Monroe visits the far future times, he sees some pretty massive changes, like the western part of VA has now become coast.   Or his long time explorer Rosiland McKnight relates in her book Cosmic Journey's, directly from those explorer sessions that her guidance shows her a very changed Earth in the semi far future, and not just socially and spiritually, but very much also geologically as well.   At one point, she says its almost as if the North and South Poles have moved from where they use to be. 

  This is something that Cayce's guidance talked a lot about, and mentioned that Earth periodically goes through such massive upheavals, wherein the actual outer crust of the Earth moves notiably and relatively quickly over the more fluidic mantle layer.   His source mentions some 5 major periods of such changes, and seems to more than hint that another one is scheduled to occur sometime in our nearish future.   

  Cayce's guides relate this to a deep, inner upheaval and shifting of the core of the Earth in the year 1936 vaguely caused by "cosmic forces" as they say, which changed the orientation of the inner core from its alignment to Polaris and to the outer Earth.   This, this inner shifting he indicated is what would cause the Earth to gradually but noticeably start to warm up, starting he said in about the year 1958 and becoming obviously noticeable and apparent by the year 1998, wherein these changes would pick up in earnest.    Contrary to popular mainstream belief, he didn't give an exact year for the crustal shift, and didn't seem to say if it would reach some kind of "peak momentum" or if there would be different smaller shifts over a period of time.   I don't know enough about physics, geology, etc. to venture a guess, i just know from guidance that something with the crust is going to happen. 

  Unfortunately, very, very few people are even open to the above probabilities, and tend to label any talk of such possible events as "fear mongering" or the like.    They in particular will be in for a rude awakening when it climaxes.

  Yet from a completely spiritual and detached perspective, these very outer difficulties and challenges are going to be what acts as such a powerful, collective catalyst for humanity to finally learn how to cooperate and work together for a greater and more constructive ideal.   Nothing like challenge, friction and difficulty to wake and shake people up.    It's certainly worked for me fairly well in my life so far, and that's exactly what my Greater self planned for when it made those decisions and planned this physical life for me/us.

the_seeker wrote on Dec 7^th, 2007 at 12:43am:



  Yeah, definitely agree with the above Seeker.  At the end of our lifetimes, food and diet is not so much an important issue.  What's important, and what our greater selves, our guides, and the Elders/Masters ask us during our life review is, "how much kindness, love, and compassion did you practice and show to Creation in your recent life?"

  That's the heart of the issue here and the point i'm trying to make.   We need to be kind, loving, and compassionate to all of Creation, not just to fellow humans.   This, this is what causes us to spiritually grow or not.   And, if you really think deeply about it, when we abstain from eating meat, and cutting down on dairy, we are also being kind to our fellow humans as well because we saying no to the devastation of Rainforest, to increased pollution, and saying YES to better health for ourselves which leads to less of a drain on society and its resources.

   Much of the "food" we eat, well comes from animals with a very developed nervous system, and developed emotional system.   Hence, very much like us they can feel excruciating pain, and they can feel deep and acute emotional fear.    Do you honestly believe any animal goes to the slaughter happily and willingly.  The very definition and standard of "spirituality" for all, is, do unto others as you would have done to you.   

Something tells me that you probably would NOT appreciate someone cruelly caging you, torturing you, and then cruelly and very painfully killing you for your meat.   Something tells me that if this was done to you, you probably would feel a lot of deep and pervasive fear.  Something tells me that if you could enter the consciousness of an animal whilst the above was being done to it, and you could really feel as if it was yourself going through this, you'd might think twice in the future of supporting such behaviors and actions yourself.   

The basic message and point i'm trying to get across is very simple and uncomplicated Seeker .   It's all about having compassion and love, versus having the lack of it, and how this relates to spiritual growth while in this physical dimension temporarily.

Joe

1.  Switching to organic would very much decrease the use of harmful pesticides and herbicides.

2.  I never said anyone who eats meat would go to hell.

3.  Some more credible psychic sources talk about either very spiritually advanced far past cultures, and/or very spiritually advanced future cultures.   Some of these accounts seem to suggest that these spiritually advanced past and/or future cultures were primarily vegetarian in nature.   

   Why then, if these accounts are true?

4.  How is it loving and compassionate to cage, torture, and then cruelly and painfully kill another being who feels acute physical pain, and emotional fear very much like a human does?

  Ok, maybe that is "loving" in your book, but its not in my mine, and thankfully more and more people are starting to become more vegetarian in nature.   In about 100 years, i can see most people living like that.   About time 

5.  Why would very high sources like Cayce or Rosiland McKnight's guides occasionally speak out against eating meat, and mention that it does more harm than good to most bodies and energy systems, if it had no basis in reality whatsoever? 

  Are you wiser, more intune, more loving, and more perceptive than Rosie's guides, Joe?

Hey ASLTAO, now that I have vented on ya, a question. I see you also have a thing about dairy also. Whats that all about? Don't tell me that JC didn't eat cheese or drink milk. When on the farm I used to milk cows by hand. No pain for them, in fact they come running at milking time. Also, it has been showen that plants can be effected by emotion and by music. Sometimes it can kill the plant. Why do you feel its OK to kill plants but not animals? Having had a personal conection with a plant energy at Gateway , and experiencing the energy of consious, knowing life from within them, I know they are as much alive as any animal. Not to say you do, but if you understand plants as being alive, how could you eat them knowing they have life? I have been showen "All" from this one plants energy. All about life, love, life sacrifice, giving and forgiveness, along with a host of other information about afterlive knowledge and in life knowledge. If you had had this expearence, I doubt you could even eat a plant. There is no less life energy in a plant than there is in an animal. I think its that whole ego thing again. To believe that a vegetarian is more spiritualy advanced than a meat eater is ridiculous. (my limited view point only) A vegetarian is no better than one who consums meat. No closer to God. No more spiritually advanced. No more, no less. Its only my personal view-point, but you know...I have been wrong and you what...I have no interest in changing how you believe. The only problem I see is the one being somehow better than the other. Its one thing that I am sure that we will never come to an agreement on. 
Joe

Well, d*&n me to hell, Joe, you have hit the nail on the head!

They say, it's not what goes "into" you that matters, it's what comes "out" of you that makes the difference.

Now, that's profound.

love, blink

hawkeye wrote on Dec 10^th, 2007 at 5:05pm:



  No, i have no problem with dairy gotten in more compassionate and kind ways.   However, the dairy industry and what they do to animals, is just as bad oft times, as what the meat packing industry does.   
To compare our times and systems, to Yeshua's times and systems as regards that, is like comparing apples and oranges.    Again, there is a certain amount of relativity involved.   

  I partake of dairy myself, but i try to choose wisely.  For example, i only buy from farms that i know who don't treat animals in a very cruel and tortuous way.   Most of the milk i drink, is from goats, because goats are not as commercialized as cows have been, hence they are not such a factory type product.   
When possible, i buy from small local farms, wherein i can check in on the state of the animals and see what kind of conditions they are subjected too.   

  Joe wrote, Quote:


  Joe, when did i say that plants aren't alive?   So a carrot is pretty much in the same category as a pig?   A carrot has a developed nervous system designed to register intensely as a specific warning system, anything which causes physical pain...hmmm kind of like us?   Also, doesn't a pig, unlike a carrot, have a very developed emotional system which can acutely feel and react to fear...hmmm kind of like us?  But a carrot is the same thing as a human right?

  Ok Joe, since a carrot is the same as a human, and its all just life under one big same color of a category, then why would it be wrong for me to show up at your house when i'm a bit hungry and i don't know, start chewing off your arm?   Hey, what's wrong about that, you're the same as a carrot, just as a pig is the same as a carrot right?

From your reasoning, anything goes, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with it, because its all just "life energy".   
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   When did i say that a vegetarian is always more spiritually advanced than a meat eater?   I don't give a donkey's butt who is more spiritually advanced than who, what i'm talking about is people learning to have some compassion for suffering, and not just thinking nice thoughts about it, but actually doing something about it.   

   But since you brought it up, is it more spiritual to have and live compassion or to lack same?   Is it more spiritual to give up something that is harmful to self and to others, as a way of saying yes to more compassionate and kind ways of being and as a way of saying no to a system which is treats animals and the workers who slaughter same as pieces of trash ?

  Dunno, you tell me Joe.

  Personally, i would say that the person who lives and acts out of compassion for the suffering of others, both human and non human, is a person who is remembering their own Source like nature and becoming like Source again.   

  It's all about two things Joe, the little separated self and its wants, ways, and desires, and the the wants, desires, and ways of the Greater self.   One brings death, and one fosters, sustains, and brings life.   

  A good example of a group of people who knew well the Law of the Universe, that of like attracts and begets like, is the Essenes who some say were strongly involved in with Yeshua's.   family.   These were vegetarian, and not only were they vegetarian, but they went out of their way to eat only living, enzyme rich foods.   They had the simplistic notion that life begets life, and that death begets death. 

What's interesting about them is that many of them we know, lived much, much longer and healthier lives than the other groups around them, even though genetically there was very little difference.

  Wonder why?   Could it have had anything to do with the way they lived, and what they ate?  Could it be that they understood the spiritual laws better than most living during their times?  Cayce's guides once said, that those groups who are living unusually long life spans, are the ones doing God's work in this world.   

   Hey, maybe that's why the most mature and evolved person living in our space/time cycle, that Monroe asked to and did meet, was some 1800 or so years old? 

  Maybe if we lived like He/She, we too would become like what they have become like?

ASLTAO, much of what you say I agree with. Nobody should purposely inflict pain or needless death upon any living thing. Plant or animal. To me, it seams that you project yourself as not understanding the reality that plants feel. It seams that your earthy, in body knowingness is not allowing you to see that although plants do not have the same body structure as animals, they do in fact "feel". Phyical reality is no differant to a plant than an animal. It would seam to me that you just might be one of those "city boys" that woulden't know the front of a cow from the rear inless he had seen it in a book. Perhaps a trip to an organic farm would enlighten you to the reality of food production in the modern world. Yes it would be great if we all lived on the land and raised our own food but thats just not real in this day and age. My impression, having lived on farms most of my life, is that both plants and animals are raised under stressfull conditions. I been to farms that are used for chicken rearing, beef, and also to pig farms. Its not nice. Of course I have also seen how these so called "organic" farms run also. The same thing, not nice. Your point about the amount of food being thrown out or destroyed is based on fact. Large amounts of milk and eggs especially. Again you are right. Its to keep the price up. Of course they de the same thing with organic food. Large amounts throwen out to keep the price up. This includs grains also. Now you point about a pig being different than a carrot. Like I had mentioned to you, yes they are the same. Plants feel energy just like animals. When you are so lucky to have had a spiritual conection with a plant like I have had, you would know and understand this. Its not ALL about being in physical body reality. There is more than just being a physical body!! That means plant or animal. Your killing and ingesting of plants is no better than the ingesting of animals. They are both killing something to provide nourishment for are carbon based bodies. Only once we let go of this type of existence of physical matter reality, will we truely be able to exist without the necessity of the whole killing and eating as is required on earth. I wonder if this is what the aliens are tring to tell us. 
Joe