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What dream makes you sick?
Sep 21st, 2007 at 11:10pm
 
I previously posted in the afterlife knowledge forum about retrieving my brother. Two nights ago, I had a very vivid dream in fact, I have never experienced anything like this.

when I went to sleep, I was concentrating on my brother who recently passed hoping to check up on him. I found myself in what I can only describe as a hallway in a school. with lockers on both sides.

I saw my brother and asked him if he was OK. He looked at me and then pointed down the hall. When I turned, there was a large beast that sort of looked like grizzly bear but wasn't. It started to come after us and we ran.

When we couldn't run anymore, I had a staff in my hand and stood to fight. I hit it a couple times and it then it ran thru me and disapeared.

Here comes the weird part. I awoke with a sharp pain in my stomach. Like you get with the flu. In fact I had to uhmm sit on throne. I went back to bed but 15 minutes later back up and on the throne. The next day, I was so exhausted I called off from work and slept the entire day. My wife awoke me when she came home and then I went back to bed a short time later  and slept thru the night. Even today, I feel very weak and exhausted from the ordeal.

I have been thinking about this all day. I am a medical professional so, I didn't just have the flu or at all sick. It is genuine exhaustion.

My thought is: my brother lost his life by accident but he placed himself in the position and thru his arrogance, lost his life. Could it be the the beast I saw was his grief, anger and pain he carried with him to the other side? Could it be that by the beast going thru me, I took his pain, anger and grief for my own? Essentially lifting it off him and carrying it myself?

Anyone else have thoughts about this?
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Reply #1 - Sep 22nd, 2007 at 12:44pm
 
Greetings,

Even a gentle spiritual experience takes alot of energy--that's one proof for me that they are more than just dreams. Then add your running, fighting, and perhaps terror to the mix and it must be very exhausting !

As a medical professional, you are in a demanding job. You may have depleted energies that you didn't realize were so low. Many of us have to do extra deep gentle breathing, drink sugar-sweetened citrus refreshers, take nutritional supplements, etc in order to also be involved in spiritual practices. Diet info on mass media isn't made for people who operate spiritually. spiritual practices do get easier and less demanding as you use these abilities more, but you've told us about some recent big ones, so you could be accumulating a negative reserve.

If you are already at the stage where you are taking on the problems of others, you have extra considerations that I'm not qualified to discuss, but others here are and will tell you soon what needs to be done. Meanwhile, if you will please sit straight and quietly for awhile and do some deep gentle breathing with nothing on your mind, you can vent off some of the 'poisons' you have collected.

Get well, please! You'll be hearing more about the role of fear, agression, and love in spiritual realms, but first just get well.   Smiley

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Reply #2 - Sep 22nd, 2007 at 6:22pm
 
quote author=Jkelly
I previously posted in the afterlife knowledge forum about retrieving my brother. Two nights ago, I had a very vivid dream in fact, I have never experienced anything like this.
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I love doing dream interpretations so bear with me as I take it apart, although u seem to have a really good handle on it already:
Kelly said:
when I went to sleep, I was concentrating on my brother who recently passed hoping to check up on him.
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Me: here, by concentrating, along with your hopeful feeling you set an intention to explore your brothers consciousness. a lot of us have a problem with setting intentions to explore and so I bring it up here for them, as I noticed I too would have experiences like yours, when I was concerned about somebody. you were acting from PUL. unconditional love. Intentions like that usually have fruition.
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Kelly:
I found myself in what I can only describe as a hallway in a school. with lockers on both sides.
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Me: this is valuable info here, that brother is between classes. He is in the hallway, not made it to class yet, but seems to be in school. there are lockers on both sides...in life, and in death. lockers hold possessions. you must be there to "unlock" something, either for him, yourself, or both of you.
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I saw my brother and asked him if he was OK.
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here is where you are expressing PUL. (love)
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He looked at me and then pointed down the hall.
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I think you're brother is sharing with you he is in school to learn about negative feelings of aggressiveness which are destructive.
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When I turned, there was a large beast that sort of looked like grizzly bear but wasn't.
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in life, did your brother ever act like a bear, but really has a heart of gold?
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It started to come after us and we ran.
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its the fight or flight instinct in symbol.
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When we couldn't run anymore, I had a staff in my hand and stood to fight.
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here again you are expressing PUL for the brother to defend him against his own creations he made while alive. it appears he was totally unaware his behavior was scary to those who may have been influenced by it. u r holding the staff of truth in your hand, you are more aware than he, is why you assist him.
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I hit it a couple times and it then it ran thru me and disapeared.
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Then is the good part, where it disappeared, showing it's ineffectiveness and illusionary basis, because it can no longer hurt you or him as this insubstantial thing. also, notice your subconscious language here, this is amazing! IT RAN THRU YOU! haha! I love it, just like the diarrhaea ran thru you, in your body, and your body is also like your housing of consciousness.
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Here comes the weird part. I awoke with a sharp pain in my stomach. Like you get with the flu. In fact I had to uhmm sit on throne. I went back to bed but 15 minutes later back up and on the throne.
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right. it ran through you. at first I thought your brother was showing you that u had eaten something not so good for you, then I reread your post and decided, no, this must have purely spiritual meaning with a body reaction, which is unusual, but not unheard of.
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The next day, I was so exhausted I called off from work and slept the entire day. My wife awoke me when she came home and then I went back to bed a short time later  and slept thru the night. Even today, I feel very weak and exhausted from the ordeal.
I have been thinking about this all day. I am a medical professional so, I didn't just have the flu or at all sick. It is genuine exhaustion.
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you sacrificed yourself for your brother's well being. I see no higher measure of PUL expression. the negative thought forms which persist over a lifetime in our psyche's can have consequences once we transition; they need transmutation in order for our soul to progress on in higher levels of schooling. acts of love are acts of heroics in spiritual form on the other side. Love, the bonds are eternal and we could all take your example as you continued this retrieval, not quite satisfied with the previous one.
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My thought is: my brother lost his life by accident but he placed himself in the position and thru his arrogance, lost his life. Could it be the the beast I saw was his grief, anger and pain he carried with him to the other side?
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yes
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Could it be that by the beast going thru me, I took his pain, anger and grief for my own? Essentially lifting it off him and carrying it myself?

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Yes. u have become your brothers keeper. I see this happening alot, especially in families, we start out by retrieving family members and advance to retrieving non-family members. I mean in the blood sense. many neophytes I know of, and myself a few times have allowed negativity to pass thru us as if we were doorways or portals so others can get to the light..might sound a little too spiritual to some, but it happens and later on we understand we were acting from love.
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this was the coolest example ever, and the exhaustion is temporary, in the long run, you have done something admirable to the max so your brother can be free. remember how he said the first time "thanks bro?"  I didn't know there was gonna be a sequel to his gratitude but maybe he did? love alysia
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Reply #3 - Sep 23rd, 2007 at 1:30am
 
I really like your break down laffing rain. My Brother was very educated and very arrogant in his life time. From the earliest I can remember we were always in an argument or he was making me mad with smart comments. He always acted like the tough one and in fact he was an all-American wrestler in High School. He was so good that he recieved an offer from the Naval Academy. A full ride. He turned it down saying; he wasn't going to go there and have others tell him what to do.

Me, I am quite different. I am the oldest of three. Our parents divorced when I was 6 and our Father, well let's just say, he doesn't know how to be a Father. I grew up thinking I was responsible for protecting my Brothers and in fact, there were a few times I did protect them mainly from older kids but some times I would take their punishment telling Mom it was me.

When I was 17. I joined the Army. Gary was upset about that. He did not come to my graduation from basic training and a few months later I came home on leave. Gary and I went to a party and coming home that evening, he told me that I deserted him and our youngest brother. I could tell he was very upset. I tried to explain to him that we had no money for College and I did not want to start my life washing dishes at Ponderosa restaurant. I also have felt all my life that I wanted to be a soldier. It is my nature to protect and help and the Army was the right place to be for me. He did not want hear my side so, I dropped it.

I spent a little over 8 years in the Army. I became an Airborne Ranger. I saw combat 3 times and have been to many places I shall never forget. Some for good memories, some for bad. I have a Purple Heart and a Bronze Star among a few other medals on the wall.

While I was serving, Gary decided to get into drugs and alcohol. When I finally left the service, our paths had grown so far apart, it was difficult to even have a meaningful conversation with him. He was always playing the cool, tough guy and a smart ass. Then he had a daughter and I started to see in him his heart and love for that girl. I could see alot of me in him when he was with her.

The path he chose with the drugs and alcohol meant that we never hung out together like I wanted too. I have always loved him deeply but I just couldn't get thru to him to change his life. I became somewhat successful and I would always help him when he asked but I always wanted to do more for him. He just would not let me.

When he died, I took alot of the burden not only for my own guilt of not trying harder but I also have a Mother and another Brother to protect. It took alot out of me preparing the Funeral and such trying to take the burden from my Mother. I also have a beautiful niece that is going to need her Uncle more than ever. All of this and my own family and career has been extremely stressful.

I talked about the whole experience of helping Gary cross and then the dream with my wife. She believes me and has a little different perpestive on this. She reminded me that I have gone thru some tremendous stress lately and for the first couple of weeks following his death I barely slept a few hours a night. This is what has happened this month:

Brother suddenly dies
Medicare reduce allowables and I lost 39,000 dollars to my salary
I recieved a court summons because a patient is suing for 500,000 dollars and I am named in it.
My son accidentally pulls the hood latch of our brand new van and doesn't tell us. I get on the highway and at about 50 mph, the hood flies up and smashes the window.

She suggests that perhaps. The beast is my own stress and Gary was there because I was concentrating on him and the exhaustion I experienced was my body just saying that I have had enough and shut down for a day to rest from all the recent stress.

I will leave with one final thought that kind of freaked me out a bit. When I got to the end of laffing Rain's response she signed it Alysia. That is the name of Gary's Daughter. Freaky huh?
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Reply #4 - Sep 23rd, 2007 at 1:51am
 
And my wife agrees more with you betson. I think it is a mixture of both. Or I simply just need to check into the local Psych ward. Tough decision.

One thing I would like to add. When all of this happened, I heard a voice in my thoughts saying: "Stop being such a tough guy and follow the heart God gave you".

I have never been tough in a sense that I would push people around but rather I can be very intimidating to those I feel are wronging me or others. Once I decided it was a good idea to stop being tough and follow my heart,  I found this site and the experienced what I have already posted. My son looks at me a bit different and I cried during a chic flick last night. Which by the way amused my wife to no end.

The point is; I am experiencing something lately that I would of been very suspicious of just two months ago. Because I opened my heart a little more. Imagine what life could be like if everyone just open up theirs a little.
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Reply #5 - Sep 23rd, 2007 at 8:40am
 
Hi JKelly. thanks for your response. it does look like you are entering the Heart Path rather abruptly but you've always been inclined that way.
as a medical person you will probably appreciate my reference to that which is beating inside your chest, there is a heart chakra, a total of 7 main chakras on the physical body.  they are energetic portals, as energy is all there is, when the body is no longer animated by the soul, it becomes this energy form with it's soul characteristics of individuality.

so you are in process of spinning that heart chakra, it hurts a little to feel such tenderness all at once. you'll be ok its just a little overwhelming when the heart does start to open. the process entails balancing the mental with the heart intelligence.

Bruce Moen speaks a bit about the opening and closing of the heart, how it gets closed in childhood often enough and as we evolve it is supposed to become more active, sometimes it doesn't or we can refuse to allow ourselves to feel PUL for whatever reason, and then the process continues on the other side of life. Retrievals are about the Heart Path.

A natural born retriever will often be a defender. they will accept the negative, without understanding in the mental why they would do this. It's an act of dis-engaging or transmuting negative energy into something more positive, more in balance, or more, like as we say here, to go into the light, which we can say to one we retrieve.

to me it's sacred. I could be a natural born retriever from this one example, although I don't like to talk about me especially. when I was 10 I saw a kid about ready to get beat up across the street and without thinking I put myself between the bully and the kid begging to be hit. I didn't get hit, it just broke up the heat of the energy and they both left the area. so haha! success I guess. the bully was so surprised to see me butting in, she kept saying you're crazy! who are you? you're nuts! so I replaced the anger with curiosity. a different energy. I never even spoke a word, just stood there between the two and did it by looking her in the eyes. actually I didn't have any words handy anyway as I didn't know why I was defending the little one, I think it was the sound of his voice crying made me do it.

your brother is in his energy body now; that is where he kept his emotions, his hopes and desires, his sense of failure perhaps, and also all the love he felt in a lifetime is in his energy body.
this post is in response to yours. so I'm hitting on several different thoughts. our family relationships, for most of us I'd say, seem dysfunctional. certainly I cannot find a Beaver Cleavor family except on TV. Like your brother who wouldn't listen to you, I had such a little sister whom I felt I needed to protect, but she could not hear nary a word that I would speak. for our younger siblings, often enough it seems they come from a perspective "what can life give to me?" when they get smarter, things change; then it becomes "what can I give to life?"

my sister finally found steady work and so she is ok. I had to stop protecting her before I would see her progress. so we have these relationships where the only thing we can do is hold a vision for someone and along the way the heart gets broken here and there but when it gets mended there is more capacity to feel PUL, the other side of the coin. the problem with mentoring siblings is they don't grow at all unless it's their own idea, or life situation forces them to grow.
don't be too harsh with your brother. my sister also was addicted to drugs, as was my brother, and I might have gone that way except for a guide who persuaded me differently. my husband, now deceased, a fine human being, drank himself to death.
it seems we cannot contain all the answers to a question of why we live these lives just in a single moment here and now.

but its good to touch base now and then and support each other to speak of the soul, so thanks again. maybe I should go back to bed? lol.....good to hear from you. love, alysia  oh, not that this is important..my given name was Rosemary. I changed it to Alysia, I thought alysia had more musical sound to it when I was in late 20's. its like a stage name then. also, the childhood name bothered me, because it was not a happy childhood.  and I'm glad your niece is having that beautiful name also.
this one pronounced ahh-lee-sha.  hope thats clear.  Cheesy



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Reply #6 - Sep 23rd, 2007 at 3:32pm
 
Laffing Rain;

The Heart Chakra is an interesting concept. (I googled it). In fact I am googling alot of what people are saying in this forum. So many questions and new discoveries.

What is PUL? You have mentioned it several times in your posts but i do not know what it means.

A natural born retriever will often be a defender. they will accept the negative, without understanding in the mental why they would do this. It's an act of dis-engaging or transmuting negative energy into something more positive, more in balance, or more, like as we say here, to go into the light, which we can say to one we retrieve.

This, I would not mind a bit. I am a defender and have several times placed my own life in jeopardy freely to protect others. I cannot explain it. It is just who I am.
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Reply #7 - Sep 24th, 2007 at 10:14am
 
Greetings,

Some terms that you may not have heard before come from writings by this site's host Bruce Moen. PUL stands for Pure Unconditional Love, a state of being that is good to take into other states of consciousness and give to those we meet there.  They seem to recognize it immediately and often return it, or at least are less defensive in its presence.

(I see/feel/experience PUL as an intense vibratory rate of energy, like emitting a glow, akin to being near someone I've just fallen in love with, without any need that that 'love' be returned or even continued.)

Bruce suggests finding PUL within oneself by remembering and savoring moments when one felt most loved and safe, perhaps as within one's mother's arms. Then carrying that feeling out to others in the afterlife.

Even when we're naturally predisposed toward the spiritual, it's a great relief to read of spiritual practices (such as Bruce's, or Budhism, etc) in order to avoid that psyche ward worry you mentionned Smiley and to have a more shared means to express such experiences.

Anyway, I'm glad you found this site and have shared these experiences. they help alot more than just those who post a response.

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Reply #8 - Sep 24th, 2007 at 1:32pm
 
Ditto on the glad feeling JKelly posted, Bets. For those of us who do have life changing experiences at focus levels or astral valleys and shores, to express them is so important otherwise they get buried in the hub bub of life and ordinary living, and nobody knows that there is much more to a human being than ordinary day to day living and the things we do to survive in a physical body.
If we could not share, report, whatever, it would be so lonesome. like standing on a mountain top shouting to the wind; and nobody was there.

but we were never alone from the start. love, alysia
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