Greetings

This retrieval was different for me because of its lack of imagery and the strong effect it's had on me physically in the few hours since it happened.

Apparently I hadn't set my intent for another retrieval for awhile because this morning at 4 a.m. I said  'Awake again? Maybe I'm supposed to do a retrieval.'
And the light-in-darkness immediately began reorganizing itself, eventually creating the face of a man with anguished eyes and heavy features. He seemed to be wearing a hood and a short cape. No colors were visible throughout this retrieval, except brown and light, giving it a very old appearance.

I sensed lifting then forward motion for quite awhile. I tried using brief phrases mentally to take notes describing any changes, but was told to be quiet. Nothing much was happening anyway except the amount of light in darkness changed several times.  I didn't sense anyone near me as I usually do but just a slight variation in the light pattern was followed by a voice instructing 'Go ahead.'

'Greetings, Sir...' (Don't say sir, Guidance instructed. ? ) 'Greetings, it's time to leave this place. What is your name?'
'Tobias. I'm held in prison.' I couldn't see him but heard his voice. So I told him he didn't have to stay, that a better place filled with light and love was waiting for him. 'I'm tied here,' he responded. I sensed then that I went behind him where his hands were tied and tried to loosen what felt like leather straps.
'Goodness, what did you do to get yourself in this fix?'
He muttered and I asked him to repeat it. 'I maligned a woman.'

I wanted to know what he did to her because I was still wrestling with his bonds. But again Guidance interrupted and said not to ask him that. Since Guidance had told me not to ask these questions I decided to just emphasize the positive while I tried to free his entanglements, which took awhile. Then I seemed to place my hand on his shoulder to guide him out and up. It took some time but eventually the Light shone, framing a figure, and two other human forms stood to the sides, so I knew that Helpers had arrived. "You're all right now, Tobias,' I offered but he said nothing. Off he went.

The word 'maligned' puzzled me because I thought it meant a minor harm, like a mother would interrupt her children's squabbles with 'Don't malign your brother.' (I just looked it up and found it means 'evil in intent or effect.')
But my puzzlement was interrupted by Guidance: 'You were not very focused. You should have asked how old he was--he's 800 years old. He maligned a woman who is now kin to you.'  Immediately I thought of one--aha! so that's what's wrong with her!  'Not her, the woman is a man now.'  Ohh.

I came back to the physical just in time to get up, two and half hours later. It had seemed long but not that long. As soon as I got up I could feel changes in my own system, mostly on my left side. Moving that arm and leg felt lighter, freer. Various sensations of energy flows continued during breakfast and reading the morning newspaper. Hiding behind the newspaper I asked mentally, 'Guidance if you're here, does that retrieval also help the person who was maligned, as it certainly seems to be helping me?' Guidance said 'We hope so.'

So this current man certainly took that previous life's maligning to heart and accepted that being female was inferior.  He chose to work this whole life in an all-male environment, and he avoids relating to women except when he can use them in some way. He actively passed that attitude on to those around him. The retrieval helped clear me, a third party, of the attitude he had infected me with.

Bets

Hi there dear Bets - hope you well 

I take it you talking about Professor Tobias - the late South African anthropologist?  My company has done quite a few documentaries on him before and after his passing, in fact the title you used is the title of the last document we worked on through the anthropology department of the university of the Witwatersrand. He was a great leader in Southern African anthropology; tracing the origins of early African settlements and their culture.  He was very active in the area just outside of Johannesburg which has been called the 'Craddle of Humankind' and where the skull of 'Mrs Ples' was found - the oldest human bones found in his time, although I believe an older has recently been found in Ethophia.

His area of work is very sensitive in Africa, mainly the archaeological uncovering of ancestor bones.  He was a great anthrosopohist in this regard and when an earlier archaeology dig (in which he was not involved) uncovered a Chief's bones and sent them to a museum in Pretoria; Professor Tobias made sure they were given back to the Chief's clan where they were laid to rest.  The Chief's clan were lamenting for years the bones where not at rest when they were away.  Indigenous Africans are very supersitious in this way.

He had a constant uphill battle during apartheid and was vocally active in this regard in his Jewish community.  From what I learnt of him Professor Tobias was not only an anthropologist but also a philosopher with the wisdom of God in his heart.

Bets, if we are talking about the same Tobias that is, I cannot comment on your post just this information.  I remember watching the closing sequence of Tobias and myself and I had tears in my eyes because I felt his love for humankind.

I pray he is with God.

Greetings Caryn,

Yes, as you then noted, my Tobias was as old as bones! Funny coincidence about the titles though. It must have seemed a strange invasion of your almost sacred memories to think I could speak that way about that professor.

My experience, whatever it was, has cleared some issues for me and cleared some physical blockages as well. I don't really understand the discussions on whether retrievals are valid spiritual experiences, lucid dreams, just dreams, etc. I do know that at least to some extent, it has worked changes for the better. 

Bets

Thanks for sharing Bets!

It seems retrievals often have an effect on the retriever as well, sometimes more, sometimes less. Sometimes the retrieval is teaching the retriever about an aspect of the afterlife, sometimes it spreads some light on habits and traits of the retriever, so that he/she gains benefit from it.

I don't know from my experience if colors fade with time in the nonphysical, but maybe it is that way: You picked up the "age" of that man, and your interpreter, instead of wording, colored the start-scene in a color you normally would associate with "old". But the blackness then, blackness isn't normally associated with age, is it, so it may have other reasons.

I don't know how common the name "Tobias" is in English speaking countries, in Germany it has been a common (though not very common) forename for a period of time roundabout 40 years ago, i guess it's also a family name (can't tell how it was 800 years ago).

Spooky

Thank you Augo, Spooky, and Alysia,
I appreciate your comments.

Yes, Alysia, I certainly do know that person that Tobias 'maligned.' It has shaped that person's destiny for 800 years! if this current life is any indication!
This retrieval has had the most significance to me of any I've participated in.
I'm astounded to see how long cruelty can have an effect (probably determined by the attitude/ spiritual understanding of the victim too) and how many people it can affect, as I see it from my relationship in this lifetime.

Bets

Dear Alysia,

You certainly set high standards!  I'd not thought of forgiving him, at least yet anyway.  Lol, I thought I was doing well to think to ask if he would feel any
relief that Tobias was freed.   


Alysia said: ' ....just thought of another profound thought   the person
whom this deed affected for 800 years is like the guard in a prison
system guarding the convicts. in a sense the guards are "in jail" too.
in forgiveness or retrieval acts, then both would be set free.'

Coincidentally (?) I will see him in 2 weeks. Since I only see him about once a year, that's  convenient, eh?  So I can let you know then.
Grumblemumble, so now I have to forgive him too? I thought I sort of did in the moments of amazement that followed Guidance telling me who it was, but my 'forgiveness' wasn't outright intent, more an emotional reaction. Hasn't there been discussion recently that says emotion preceeds intent?  Does emotion then take the place of willful intent ?

Bets

Hi Alysia,

Sorry, I do not mean to be confusing.   I am a current relative of the 'malignee' but I was not with him when he was a her 800 years ago.
I do not believe I've had (m)any lives with his group before this. The relief
I felt at first was on the malignee's behalf, to know that he had this cause for his destructive feelings toward women. Then after I was back at my house my own healing began.---There's always more going on in these spiritual experiences than can possibly be put into words, it seems.
I didn't want to identify him further  so that when we all have a big reunion at TMI some day, I will not have to discuss him.   

Yes, non-judgemental, I can manage that.  That seems important. I blank out part of mind and go along with what Guidance has established. When I requested people I knew for retrieving, about whom I might have strong opinions/wounds, I asked for protection from Guidance or helpers if necessary, and PUL.

Love, bets