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The nonburning flame - the burning bush?
Apr 2nd, 2007 at 8:21am
 
Last night I either ate something that disagreed with me, or I had a series of fantastic dreams that have some deeper meaning.  I plan to post more about the night's experience on the main board because I think I entered into a state of communication with the afterlife during the night.

Anyway, in one episode, I was in a group of people and we were sitting, perhaps as in around a campfire, with a dog.  There was some instruction being given, which I can not recall.  I noticed that the human participants, including myself were surrounded by/engulfed in a flame which did not burn.  I marveled at this.  For some reason, attention was drawn to a dog who was with us.  The dog appeared to be a shepard or shepard-mix.  The dog was surrounded by the same non-burning flame.  He was in no discomfort whatsoever.  All of this eemed fantastic and surreal.  However, when attention was then drawn to the dog again, where he was, all that was there was a small of amount of soot and ash, which blew away with a light wind.  To my recollection nothing had happened to the human participants in this instruction.  

On awakening, thinking it over, the only time I had ever heard of such a thing - a fire which was, but didn't burn was in the burning bush encounter between Moses and God.  I have been trying to make sense of the dream ever since then.  It is the Jewish passover and Christian Easter, but I feel that there was something more to this.


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Reply #1 - Apr 2nd, 2007 at 11:52am
 
Wow!  Having read your other post, I can’t help but see the two as related.  Perhaps the instruction served as a triggering experience – though I don’t know which came first.  Looking at the dream it seems as if the non-burning fire may have been encompassing your wholeness or self.  I wonder if the dog might have represented an aspect of your self that needed to be integrated.  In any case, that was an intense and meaningful dream.

Keep eating whatever it was you had last night - Rob
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Reply #2 - Apr 2nd, 2007 at 12:08pm
 
Hello,

Do you think this had to do with a purification of the souls sitting there?
Perhaps the human soul is not consumed by the fires of purification, but the dog didn't have that type of spirit and so was not to continue everlastingly?

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Reply #3 - Apr 2nd, 2007 at 8:12pm
 
Hi Bets,

I'm not sure what the dog represented.  I felt a sense of loss when I saw it had turned to ashes after initially not being harmed by the flame.


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Reply #4 - Apr 2nd, 2007 at 11:12pm
 
   A dog could represent a few things, depending on the perspective of the person (do they like dogs, do they feel neutral, or dislike same, etc.).  Some things that come to mind, it could represent one's sense of blind loyalty.   Could represent playfullness, or could represent the inner animal/bestial nature.   I'm sure there are other possibilities, and other possible representations.    Who knows, could possibly even be a play on words with symbols, could represent dogma, or a dogmatic attitude.  The interplay between the subconscious and concious mind can be pretty funny sometimes, such as Bruce mentioning pink elephants in the sink and weird stuff like that.

  Either way, overall sounds like a rather positive and spiritual dream, though there was some loss or pain felt felt.  Growth tends to be painful to some part of us, since it usually means some part is being regenerated, and da ego don't like to be regenerated, that means change and change is scary to that part of us.
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Reply #5 - Apr 3rd, 2007 at 5:54pm
 
Interesting,

yes the first part of the dream that was interesting was how the flames around all of us were nonburning and benign.  The dog being affected when the rest of us were not - I'm still not sure.  Was he a symbol as you stated? 

Thanks for the insights.


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Reply #6 - Apr 3rd, 2007 at 10:01pm
 
Like AhSo said,

the meaning of the dog could come from almost any direction. So here's
another --
If the dog was stolid and non-moving, could it have been an effigy, made to represent humans' animal nature, and that was then purified by burning?
(You'll know the right interpretation when it comes to you.)

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Reply #7 - Apr 4th, 2007 at 1:08am
 
I like Justins reference to dogma and/or blind loyalty.

I tend to see all pets as repositories of the human masters emotions. my pets often act up when I'm emotional; if I'm bouncing off the wall they do this also. if I'm relaxed they are too.
they seem to be extentions of us.
I 'd say something has disappeared from your psyche and maybe it didn't need to be there or didn't serve you.
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Reply #8 - Apr 5th, 2007 at 1:22am
 
Matthew,

Rather than interpret your dream, I will make suggestive comments about the symbolism of your dream's key elements and let you muse on whether and to what extent my perspective helps you understand your dream.

Your initial association of the dream with Passover imagery is surely correct because the dream taps Passover imagery at various levels.   Ask yourself how cognizant you were of the levels I will proceed to summarize.  If you were unaware of these other levels, your dream may actually rise to the level of divine revelation.  The "instruction" motif may already point in that direction.  Immersion in the fire that does not burn symbolizes the presence of God and some sort of call experience for you.  Moses wants to back out of his call and you must ask yourself if the same is true for you at some level.  Moses asks for God's name and God instead gives an evasive phrase, "Tell them I will be whatever I will be has sent you (Exodus 3:14)."  You have been striving to rethink the nature of God and ultimate reality, but the dream is inviting you to feel your way to God through meditation and perhaps through a disciplined focus on the hypnagogic state.  In some way, your recent hypnagogic state has prepared you for this dream, just as ES experienced very vivid dreams prior to mastering astral projection. 

The dog in your dream derives his symbolism from two aspects of the Passover story.   (1) On the first Passover eve, the presence of a dog, silent and at peace, represents God's pending deliverance both of Israel and (in some sense) of yourself as a Jew for whom Passover has a special meaning.  The dog symbolizes God's guiding and protective hand:

"But against any of the sons of Israel a dog shall not even bark, whether against man or beast, that you may understand how the Lord makes a distinctin between Egypt and Israel (Exodus 11:7)."

(2) On the brink of Moses' Sinai epiphany and reception of the Ten Commandments, no one but Moses is permitted to tread on the holy mountain.  Even any beast that trots onto the mountain must be put to death (Exodus 19:12-13)."  Like the people in your dream, the Israelites and "beasts," including any dog, are in "camp" (19:17) and they witness the presence of God on Sinai through the symbol of "fire" (19:18).  The dog dematerialized by fire symbolises an analogous holy moment in your dream.  In the dream, you are Moses and are being called to suspend your left-brain reflection on your monism and seek deeper insights through an encounter with God on Sinai.  If this line of interpretation seems correct, you must decide what Mosaic-tye epiphany awaits you.

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Reply #9 - Apr 5th, 2007 at 3:14am
 
Matthew as Don has replied i think this dream you had is very special.  I would call it a vision because of the symbols - whereas a dream (or conscious projection) runs in a sequence of events the symbology here seems to be at the forefront and the sequence or script in the background.  Anyway just an observation of calling it a name.

If I may add further to what Don said;

First of all I love the word - nonburning flame - this is so spiritual in its meaning. When we contemplate the essence of fire in the spiritual world we see it is nonburning; it is actually made up of the fire spirit elementals.  It is only when the fire is manifested into the physical does it burn because our senses which are attached to our physical body interpretates fire is hot and burns.  Another muse - nonburning fire in a mystic thought - may also be connected to blood.  The spiritualisation of blood may be called a nonburning fire.

My interpretation of the dog is; you have been shown a dog does not have an ego.  Humans are one stage above animals in that humans have an ego and animals do not.  Animals are part of a collective group of instincts and dwell in the astral realm (the realm closest to earth).  Having an ego places us above the animal kingdom and the signifance of this is very important and special.

The people and yourself Matthew were in the middle of the nonburning fire without it burning you whereas the dog although also not being burnt (because spiritual fire does not burn) vanished leaving soot and ash (also profound)
Now if we look at this and keeping the thought spiritual fire may be connected to blood, the spiritual blood covers you, engulfs you in fact, maybe even protects you, (beautiful symbology) whereas the blood or spiritual fire is not needed on the animal or because the animal does not have an ego the nonburning fire does not apply to the animal and it disappears out of the message.  Leaving soot and ash is extremely arcane - in fact this is sacred alchemy together with the nonburning fire.

The soot and ash left behind is the residue of spiritual activity, it is the removal of the dross.  This comes from Paracelsus (that fine alchemist) Ash is likened to salt.  Salt represents the thought-process in man and salt is the residue of the spiritual activity that takes place in the head.  Salt is the dross left over when life has fled, it is the skull, it is the white powder left behind when the gold is extracted.  It is the ash of thought or spiritual activity.

There is a mystical interchange between fire and salt.  There are two salts - one born of the activity of fire while another is the salt that remains after the burning, itself a potential fire.  Salt represents the inert state of death and we were depositing salt because a golden flame was rising in our soul.

When you awoke and thought  - Moses, the Passover and Easter.  Further symbology in a conscious state (you were consciously aware of the meaning. stunning.)

And with this - Moses, was given the Law from God and therefore he is Wisdom - the Passover, makes me think about the Blood of Protection - Easter - the Death of Christ (with His Blood) and the Risen Body of Christ; the Resurrection - which opened the door for us to enter.

Smiley well my interpretation - Matthew awesome dream very profound - given me lots to think about - especially the nonburning fire - I think you could have opened a door here for all of us.

My regards.

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Reply #10 - Apr 5th, 2007 at 4:14am
 
If I may also add reading your title again;

The burning bush:

Bush shows us this is etheric - the symbology of etheric is shown as plants .. wood (symbol of the Cross is very profound in this meaning).. vegetables.

With this:  The spiritualisation of blood may be called a nonburning fire.

- burning (etheric blood) shown in the bush (etheric / spirit realm)

I am going to read Exodus again and where Moses saw the burning bush - And the passages Don writes about in Exodus - I think it is speaking very deeply.

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Reply #11 - Apr 5th, 2007 at 8:32am
 
I must give my heartfelt thanks to Don and Caryn, along with Alyssia, Betson, Justin and Rob.  I had PM'd Don, asking if he'd be kind enough to give his interpretation of this dream.  I felt the symbology was significant, but it escaped me.  I find your interpretation, Don to be right on the mark, and it has given me cause for further reflection.   I don't recall hearing about dogs and Passover, although it is possible that I read through the passage in Exodus when I was younger.

For me, there was a sense that I forgot the specifics of the dream - the instruction being given, but I marveled at the nonburning flame that engulfed us (and the dog).

Perhaps the dog's turning to ash after initially not being burned, when the human beings were still whole, was the point of the instruction. 

I feel thankful to have had this dream and to all of you for your insights.


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Reply #12 - Apr 12th, 2007 at 9:15am
 
In my meditation yesterday, Doc, I immersed myself in a violet/white flame, as guided. It was what I would consider a "non-burning" flame, and contained a special energy within it.

Also, I was given a piece of "Christ-consciousness" to place in my heart. This was part of the guided meditation, which included this kind of imagery of "angels" and "guides" to come forth. 

When I experienced this, as guided, this gift came from a being of light. There was no physical form. I did not know that this guided meditation was going to lead me in such a direction but I went with it anyway. There was nothing on this cd to indicate that it would lead in such a direction so I was somewhat surprised.

Anyway, I have no great biblical knowledge.  I just thought I would share that with you.  All I know is that there was a violet/white flame there and that its nature was to transform.....not to burn.

All of these images are "suggestions" to the mind, contained within the belief systems of those who presented this format in the meditation.  This was a fine meditation, and I have no problems with it....but I suspect that some of these images are purely archetypes.  The reality is that we have a great Light at our core, and that the gifts that come from it bring Peace.

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