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Mar 23rd, 2007 at 12:46am
 
Hello.  How will repressed anger and pain, repressed out of memory, affect achieving and exploring in focus levels 12 and beyond?  The only place I get in touch (to my surprise) with these (forgotten) issues is in one of the "dream" states.  There are 3 faceless figures, which have appeared several times, which I would like very much to communicate with, but hostility from some forgotten part of me quickly ends the session.  Do I need to deal with this apparant hostility (and I would describe myself as a very peace-loving person) with some sort of standard therapy and then return to "projection" or can I discover and settle these issues on my own (after I find out what they are)  by asking "whoever" for help and guidance?
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Reply #1 - Mar 23rd, 2007 at 9:58am
 
Since they have appeared several times, you should set your intent to deal with them the next time they appear.  Before going into one of these "dream" states, set  your intent to place hostility aside for the moment so that you can get more information of these figures.  Believe that the answer you're seeking is inside you and all you need to do is ask the question.
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Reply #2 - Mar 23rd, 2007 at 10:25am
 
Hi 1Traveler.  Because you've had these 3 faceless figures several times in your dreams your question is a significant one.  I suspect the 3 figures are other unconscious aspects of your self and that it is important to integrate them.  You or your awareness in these dreams represents your conscious self.  Often unconscious aspects in our psyches appear threatening when they're trying to come into our conscious awareness. That's why you feel hostility toward them.  That you are aware of them suggests you don't need therapy but can probably deal with them on your own.

To do that, Vicky's advice is on target.  Also you might look for clues in other areas of your dreams where these figures appear.  Often dreams will give you clues that you need.  Asking for guidance and setting intent should help.

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Reply #3 - Mar 23rd, 2007 at 8:06pm
 
Thanks Vicki and Rob for your comments.  Rob, your thought that my "dream" hostility might be a "knee-jerk" response to the 3 strangers and not due to some forgotten personnal issue is a good point.  I haven't yet learned to "think" during a dream state so my responses seem to be at a very unvarnished, basic level, a lot closer to Neanderthal than to sainthood it appears.  So what I'm hearing from you is an implied agreement that I'm not going to get very far with the focus levels if I can't figure out how to behave in the dreamscape.  And I may get help with that and I may not, depending on how I ask.

The point of all of this is that I want more than anything to go through the Monroe Institute's Gateway program, and go on from there, hopefully to get involved in retrievals.  I've read all of Robert Monroe, Bruce Moen (and much more) and this is my next "project" as soon as I can afford the time and expense.  If I couldn't succeed in the program because of this (surprising to me) hostile behavior I would be very disappointed, to say the least.
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Reply #4 - Mar 24th, 2007 at 12:32am
 
my two cents added to Rob and Vicki's..for what its worth, Bruce describes an experience of anger and fighting in one of his books..I assume it's something we have to go through to clear up something. the fact of awareness it's there, shows its no longer hidden from you, which is the first step.
it may be related to your whole life from birth..certain psychology practicioners believe the act of being squeezed thru the birth canal is enough to produce rage and we have to forgive it as we wanted to be here. nobody is a saint really..so don't worry too much about it,but just take a good look at all emotions when they come up and I find it gets easier to trace where they are coming from and what they are about.

I think you'll do fine at Gateway, they are trained in this area to guide you. love, alysia
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Reply #5 - Mar 24th, 2007 at 1:53pm
 
Hi again 1traveler.  I don’t mean to suggest you need to learn how to act in the dreamscape to develop in the focus levels.  I only mean that working with your dreams is one way to help integrate aspects of your personality.  It’s a process we all go through and dreams can give us some good indications of what’s going on in our psychological development.  I think your dream is actually very positive in Jung’s terms – having the four figures (counting your dream self) laid out is somewhat advanced in terms of Jung’s concept of self-realization. 

I suspect you’re well along on the path –many folks avoid the unconscious.  And, if you talk about focus levels they get downright condescending.  Actually, working with focus levels is likely to help with development in your dreams.  Keep it up.

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Reply #6 - Mar 24th, 2007 at 2:01pm
 
Thank you Alysia for your "two cents" worth.  I wish I could find more bargains like that!  The sources of my pain and anger are fairly clear to me (as my first 15 years on the Earth were difficult).  What surprises me is that I thought that I had made peace with all of that (I'm 65).  So, coming out swinging, particularly when my visitors are hidden from view, leaves me wondering "What the heck was that all about!!"  If I had their numbers, I would call and explain that I had no idea who the party crasher was.  It certainly wasn't "me".  Maybe next time we could meet at a secret venue and not face that interruption. (ha-ha)

I need to learn how to travel (can't think of a better way to put it), to meet myself and the rest of the universe (the important part).  Until 2 years ago or so, I didn't have a "spiritual" viewpoint, at least not one that I would seriously defend.  Now I do.  I have needed a spiritual understanding that reads more like a natural science (physics) and less like an inspirational song.  The standard religious liturgy has always left me wanting more clarity and meaning. 

The program name "Gateway" seems to me superbly appropriate, because it really is (from my reading only; unfortunately, not yet from my experience) a doorway or departure ramp to the rest of everything (unavailable to the 5 senses).  Since you've been through the Gateway program, your vote of confidence means something to me.  I wish there was more I could do to "prepare".  The tapes and "how-to's" don't seem to work.  I guess they have demonstrated that I'm going to need a hand learning how to get through the gateway (who knows, maybe the 3 faceless visitors have come to do just that).

I'm not that experienced with conversation boards.  If this dialogue would be better placed in another location, please advise.
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Reply #7 - Mar 24th, 2007 at 7:26pm
 
oh this thread is fine, since it's still like a dream that inspired it. say, I've never been to gateway but I have 8 hours worth of Bruce's tapes from his workshops and you might like to purchase some tapes and in the privacy of your home and at your own speed see what others are learning in these workshops before you do gateway. gives you a little head start.

wishing you the best possible golden years, alysia (I'm almost the same age as you)
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Reply #8 - Mar 24th, 2007 at 10:08pm
 
Hi,

dreaming skills and HemiSync:
  I personally had quite some success with the HemiSync recordings, and I am not a skilled dreamer at all. I had only one visually overwhelming lucid dream, and, over the years, some very long and detailed ones, but with typical dream consciousness. The experiences in meditations with (and later without) HemiSync were different, because I just didn't fall asleep therefore was much more controlled and reflective than in normal dream consciousness.

Preparations for Gateway Voyage:
  Not to OVERLY go in training for it, you just would drive yourself mad and will get too nervous.
If you have some relaxing HemiSync tapes (Focus 10, or even the Gateway home series) to listen, would be good, but not a must. For example there is "HemiSync meditation", it's only modified pink noise, or "Surf", water waves breaking at the coast, or "Sleeping through the rain", rain sound, sometimes a bit thunder, with easy listening soft keyboard chords and all underlayed with HemiSync (F10 I guess). (In many of the older Metamusic CDs the synthesizer sounds are too artificial to my ears, though there are some good ones, and the newer ones I heard only a bit so can't tell)
What would be good in any case is to try to become a good quick "relaxer". When you could lay down and forget all the issues of the physical world, that would be good. If not, then try it consciously. You might go into an observer state, which would filter the incoming thoughts, saying "no, not now, I can think about this later, good bye" or so. To think nothing usually doesn't work, so you can try to replace some thought-circles with an imagination, for example imagine a nice place to be in. That will give your thoughts enough to do and will keep you in distance to the physical business, which is the key in meditation/HemiSync. Sometimes you'll find yourself to have different threads of thoughts or impressions than usual, try to remember them (best is to write it down afterwards, which you are supposed to do at the Gateway Voyage too). As well to breath deep and regularly, and to look if tensions are in your body, to imagine energy freely running through your body is good. You might look up what Bruce writes in the AKGuidebook. Give yourself a "timeout" for your relaxation, making sure there is no business in this hour (or so) what is that important that you couldn't think about later.
About hidden biographic issues of the past, I personally have found the Gateway Voyage gave me tools at hand which improve my ability to uncover them and deal with it. To me many things turned out to be quite simple (though emotional at first) after I found out about it; only that they were hidden and couldn't be appropriately treated/solved made them bugging me (but still working on those things).
When at the Gateway Voyage, you shouldn't phone home. Again, give yourself a timeout. Your family will appreciate it when you do something for yourself (it's only one week!) because they'll get you back fresher, clearer and more positive then (ok, the first day they might think you're a bit strange). You're a team there at the GV, your fellow participants and the trainers, and you all share the curiosity about what RAM might have meant in detail when he told that we're more than our physical bodies, what it means to yourself, personally.
The Gateway Voyage you could see as a chance to let the sun shine in at the dawning of a new beautiful summer's day.

Much joy everyone,
Spooky
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Reply #9 - Mar 25th, 2007 at 12:00pm
 
1Traveler, I’m going to take the Gateway Voyage in June.  For me it’s hard to get enough quiet time to do the home series.  But Alysia’s suggestion is a good one.  If you check OOBDude’s Journal on the Afterlife Knowledge Board, he’s done an amazing job with the Gateway CDs and has shared his experiences with everyone.

Great suggestions Spooky.  I know I have a tendency to try to go into a “no-thought” state.  The result is that my mind is clamping down when instead it should be open and relaxed.  Bruce’s exercises are helping me a lot.  I agree with you about some of the sounds on the hemi-synch CDs.  I got Sleeping through the Rain from the library once and it was better to my ears – I need to check it out again.  Your advice is much appreciated.

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Reply #10 - Mar 25th, 2007 at 3:03pm
 
Dear 1Traveler,

I too want to go to GV but hesitate due to fear of??? that's why Spooky's tips were reassuring to me. Thank's Spooky!
I did love Sleeping Through the Rain till I lost it. Now I'm using Mission Night from the Gateway tapes with Bob's introduction, "This is your exploration of sleep" from his Exploration Sleep tape which works to get me to stop thinking and into the sleep mode. Also found Catnapper helpful to get a short rest during the day without feeling I'm wasting my time off from work and of course Bruce's CD's helped me to do a few retreivals, while awake, just so I could see what it was like.

I think just getting used to switching to different levels of relaxation is really the key and with hemi sync prompting me, I got familiar enough with relaxing and letting go enough to follow the instructions that Bruce gives without hemi sync's binomial beats backing his instructions up. I suspect that merely listening to some of the hemi sync tapes that Spooky suggested is enough preparation for GV even though I was told to do the home program before going to GV way back when I was first hooked on the idea of going there in the '90's.  I also think that we can just let go enough by giving ourselves permission or as what happened to me with Bruce's retreival exercises when I was just so dang tired that I went with the flow and it worked to give me the retreival experiences, remembered them and was able to write them up for posting here last year.

Love, Jean Kiss
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