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Mar 15th, 2007 at 4:14am
 
Anybody who has mastered the art of Astral Travel or remote viewing this is your chance. 
Just think how a cool million could further your efforts and explorations. (You could install your own Hemi-Sync lab in your home for starters)
I'd do it if I was any good but I have just started with my attempts.
Somebody put this Randi guy in his place!

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Randi $1,000,000 paranormal challenge
James Randi, a.k.a. The Amazing Randi, magician and author of numerous works skeptical of paranormal, supernatural, and pseudoscientific claims has for about ten years offered "a one-million-dollar prize to anyone who can show, under proper observing conditions, evidence of any paranormal, supernatural, or occult power." His rules were little more than what any reasonable scientist would require. If you are a mental spoon bender, you couldn't use your own spoons. If you claimed to see auras, you'd have to do so under controlled conditions. If you claimed to be able to do remote viewing, you wouldn't be given credit for coming close in some vague way. If you were going to demonstrate dowsing powers, you would have to be prepared to be tested under controlled conditions. If you were going to do psychic surgery or experience the stigmata, you would have to do so with cameras watching your every move.

In January 2007, Randi announced a major change in the rules:

As of April 1, 2007, we will require two major qualifications of all those who will be eligible. First, any applicant will be required to have a media profile. By that, we mean that there must be some media recognition – a television interview, a newspaper account, some press write-up, or a reference in a book, that provides details of the claimed abilities of the applicant....The second requirement will be that the applicant must provide an endorsement of an academic nature. That means some sort of validation from an appropriately-qualified academic....

Once these qualifications have been offered, we will follow up on them, asking for validation; we’ll require that the cited authorities verify that they did make such a statement about the applicant, or that they hold such an opinion, and that they still stand by that statement. Anecdotal material will not be accepted.

We may be prepared to possibly waive the requirement for a preliminary test as soon as these two qualifications have been validated. In such a case we will be prepared to move right into the second phase: the formal test.*

Another major change in the million dollar challenge is that the JREF plans to:

regularly and officially highlight well-known persons in the field and challenge them directly by name. Those challenged will then have a six-month period during which they may respond; during that period the JREF will heavily publicize the fact that such a challenge has been issued, we will issue press releases on the matter, and we will be frequently asking that those challenged make a response. Tentatively, we will begin by formally challenging Uri Geller, James Van Praagh, Sylvia Browne, and John Edward, on April 1st.

There are others offering prizes to anyone who can demonstrate psychic powers. After collecting the million dollars from Randi, successful psychics might go to India and contact B. Premanand who will pay Rs. 100,000 "to any person or persons who will demonstrate any psychic, supernatural of paranormal ability of any kind under satisfactory observing conditions." Also, "Prabir Ghosh will pay Rs. 20,00,000* to anyone who claims to possess supernatural power of any kind and proves the same without resorting to any trick in the location specified by Prabir Ghosh."

The Australian Skeptics offer $100,000 (Australian), $80,000 for the psychic and $20,000 for anyone "who nominates a person who successfully completes the Australian Skeptics Challenge." If you nominate yourself, and are successful, you get the whole hundred grand.

The Association for Skeptical Inquiry (ASKE), a U.K. skeptic organization, offers £12,000 for proof of psychic powers.

The Tampa Bay Skeptics offer $1,000 to anyone able to demonstrate any paranormal phenomenon under mutually agreed-upon observing conditions.

The North Texas Skeptics offer $12,000 to any person who can demonstrate any psychic or paranormal power or ability under scientifically valid observing conditions.

The offer of cash prizes as an incentive to so-called psychics to prove their claims is not new. In 1922, Scientific American offered two $2,500 awards, one for the first person who could produce an authentic spirit photograph under test conditions and the other for the first medium to produce an authentic "visible psychic manifestation" (Christopher 1975: 180). Houdini, the foremost magician of the period, was a member of the investigating committee. Nobody won the prizes. The first to announce she was ready to be tested was Elizabeth Allen Tomson, but after she was caught with twenty yards of gauze taped to her groin, flowers under her breasts, and a snake in her arm pit, she was never formally tested (Christopher 1975: 188). The honor of being the first medium tested by the Scientific American team went to George Valiantine. He didn't know that the chair he sat in during his séance in a completely darkened room had been wired to light up a signal in an adjoining room every time he left his seat. Oddly, phenomena such as a voice speaking from a trumpet that floated about the room happened only at the exact moments the signal lit up.

The Reverend Josie K. Stewart also failed to produce handwritten messages from the dead brought to her by her spirit guide Effie. The committee members marked their cards and she failed three times before declaring success at the fourth trial. But, since the messages she produced were not on the cards that had been supplied by the Scientific American committee, it was determined that she had tried to trick them! What a shock.

Another contestant, Nino Pecoraro, claimed to have Eusapia Palladino as his spirit guide. He was doing well fooling some of the committee members until Houdini showed up during a séance. Houdini took the sixty-foot long rope being used to tie up Pecoraro and cut it into many short pieces and tied up "the psychic's wrists, arms, legs, ankles, and torso." Houdini, the master escapologist, knew that "even a rank amateur could gain slack enough to release his hands and feet" when tied with a long rope (Christopher 1975: 191). The great Pecoraro couldn't perform that night.

The fifth applicant for the Scientific American prize was Mina Crandon, known in the occult world as "Margery." She didn't collect the prize, either. (For more on "Margery," see the entry on ectoplasm.)

In the 1930s, Hugo Gernsback offered a $6,000 prize for any astrologer who could accurately forecast three major events in one year. He never had to pay anyone a cent.*

One would think that after more than 150 years of scientific testing of psychics, there would be at least one who could demonstrate a single psychic ability under test conditions. Parapsychologist Dean Radin claims the evidence for psychic phenomena is so strong that only bias and prejudice keep skeptics from accepting the reality of ESP or PK. Why doesn't he claim the million dollar prize, then? According to Radin:

for the types of psi effects observed in the laboratory, even a million dollar prize wouldn't cover the costs of conducting the required experiment. Assuming we'd need to show odds against chance of say 100 million to 1 to win a million dollar prize, when you calculate how many repeated trials, selected participants, multiple experimenters, and skeptical observers are necessary to achieve this outcome, the combined costs turn out to be more than the prize. So, from a purely pragmatic perspective, the various prizes offered so far aren't sufficiently enticing. (Radin 2006: 291)

The fact is that most parapsychologists have given up trying to find a single person with a single paranormal ability. They study groups of people and collect gobs of data, hoping to find a statistic not likely due to chance, which they then declare to be evidence of psi because it is their hypothesis that if the statistic is not likely due to chance then it is reasonable to conclude that it is due to psi. In other words, they've gone from being duped by con artists to duping themselves.


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Reply #1 - Mar 27th, 2007 at 10:25pm
 
well don't give up hope! money doesn't motivate me. it might somebody else.
let me tell u a little story about human nature.
I once had a housekeeping business. i spent all day finding dirt in weird places that the lady of the house had not noticed was there. I thought she would be grateful that I was such a good dirt finder.

however she never noticed what had been cleaned. since I only had 8 hours I could not clean every single item in the alloted time, the house was big with many items.
she did noticed what had been missed. she never noticed what had been cleaned unless I pointed it out to her the places I found hidden dirt.

so the moral of the story? no matter how good your story is full of hits, another can find items you missed and then nobody gets paid.

but thanks for the offer. love, alysia
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Reply #2 - Mar 28th, 2007 at 10:41am
 
If the Great Randi's offer was legit he would have sent the million to Joe McMoneagle a long time ago.  Joe has repeatedly demonstrated, on camera, that remote viewing is a real phenomena and that the information gathered using this technique can be verified as real and accurate.  But, Randi always has some trumped up excuse why the evidence is inconclusive.  

His basic approach is usually to claim that some other means could have been used to obtain verifiable information.  And since it could have been done in some other way, like picking through someone's garbage, the results are not "proof."  He doesn't have to prove the information was obtained by means other than remote viewing, just claim that it could have been.  That leaves the remote viewer with the task of proving a negative, that information was not obtained by means other than remote viewing.  You can't prove a negative, so Randi can claim remote viewing is not proven, no matter what proof the viewer presents.

Randi has been playing his "debunking game" for years.  I suspect he will continue to play it with the same meaningless results.

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Reply #3 - Mar 28th, 2007 at 12:14pm
 
I emailed Randi and the end result was that I told him that his whole reward situation was a sham (and basically nobody will get the million). He never wrote back.

Or: In the wording and so on Randi has it set up where even his reward is so esoteric that it is unable to be proven either.

This is one of the best ways a skeptic can remain a skeptic and its also a way to entice and cheat. In otherwords unless one can break through the same route as Randi is doing nobody will ever get that reward except Randi. And if that is the case then Randi is false advertising in a way he won't get debunked.




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Reply #4 - Mar 29th, 2007 at 5:36am
 
Randi was kicked off a late night show here in Australia in the 1980's. He 'demonstrated' how
easily it was to bend a spoon...You could see him using the chair leg to bend it while he
tried to distract the host(Don Lane) ...Then he insulted Doris Stokes(english medium) who
also happened to be the host's friend(Doris helped him regarding a deceased relative)...He,
Randi was given his marching orders off the show in some colourful language....Darth. May
both sides of the force be with you.
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Reply #5 - Mar 30th, 2007 at 3:26pm
 
it looks to me from here this Randi character is just that..a character who becomes well known by de-bunking others. this way he feels important, on the other hand you can consider these types of people have a certain fame they attain deviously, while others are enjoying being entertained by their antics. you gotta love it!

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Reply #6 - Aug 17th, 2010 at 2:32pm
 
Interesting.

James Randi has had a traditional OBE with fluctuating reality, see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NwKkbd2e-c&feature=related. Smiley
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Reply #7 - Aug 17th, 2010 at 5:02pm
 
Sometimes skeptics have a hard time trusting their own experience.

What if suspected criminals determined whether or not they are guilty rather than judges or juries? The prison system would be a lot less crowded.

Is it a wonder that Randi hasn't paid somebody a million dollars?

Doing the challenge with Randi would be like playing poker with a person who keeps changing the wild card as the game progresses.
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