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Another New Way to Retrieve
Oct 22nd, 2006 at 11:07pm
 
This is from Frank DeMarco to the TMIExplorer's list:

Friends,



This is going primarily to TMI Explorers (and is going to be reposted to Voyagers Mailing List, I trust). But it is not something confined to Monroe Institute grads. This is something we can all do, and something I think with a lot of promise. I hope the idea will appeal to you.



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Gettysburg – and us



Jim and I went to Gettysburg intending to help retrieve soldiers who may have died in the battle and remained fixed on earth. (Some souls who get killed may not realize that they are dead. Others may know that they are dead but may be essentially imprisoned by their beliefs about the afterlife, for instance thinking that they must lie in the grave waiting for the last trumpet and Judgment Day.) Drawing on our own experience at retrievals, we figured that we could help. We didn’t at first realize that as usual we were being employed – blunt instruments! – for greater purposes.



For those who came in late ….



For years, my friend Jim Szpajcher has felt the presence of a man named Hank, an ex-Confederate in the Civil War who lost his world with the South’s defeat and spent the rest of his life in the west, dispossessed and bitter. For years, similarly, I have felt the presence of Joseph, a man who became a Union officer. Despite our divergent past-life sympathies, Jim and I became friends a few years ago via the Voyagers Mailing List. But since he lives such a long way off, in Darkest Western Canada, the only times we see each other is when he comes to do programs at The Monroe Institute.



He arrived here again this week, giving himself a few days before starting the program, and suggested that he and I take a little trip up to Gettysburg. I agreed immediately, sensing that there was work for us there, though having little idea what.



When we got there it was after dark, and everything was closed. We went to the cemetery, and stood a few feet inside the open gate, and began a joint guided meditation, resulting in our entering a state both grounded and expanded state, with both of us feeling (intending) the presence of Joseph and Hank. So now we had four of us – two in bodies, two not – to work on the retrieval.



The whole experience took less than 15 minutes, but a lot happened. For one thing, we swept the area, sending our mind’s eyes around the immense scope of the battlefield, south along cemetery ridge, then over to seminary ridge and back up to the town, then sweeping from the right up to Culp’s Hill and around, and from the left to the Chambersburg Pike and around, trying to call anyone in the area who might need assistance. But then it began not to seem right to me that we were thinking of the men as still divided between union and confederate. I thought of the 1938 joint reunion (the 75th anniversary of the battle), and we thought to call them all to a joint reunion.



Nice idea in itself, but that led us to call for help from the spirits of those who had been at that reunion (in the body, I mean). That was a big step, for thus we were using the dead to help the dead. That is, those who were dead but knew it, were thus able to contact those who had died and didn’t know it.



As they came together, I told them that whether they had thought of the union or their own state or the confederacy as their country, their country is what they had been fighting for, and their country needs them now. These dead soldiers are connected to millions of people walking around in bodies. They could work from inside (so to speak) to wake up the living to the dangers facing freedom today. You might not think they could, but I have little doubt that much of our internal mental and spiritual world is affected by just such influences.



We left feeling that we had accomplished something important.



Yet we wondered how it could be expanded upon. Surely it shouldn’t be necessary for us to visit every battlefield in the world to retrieve men and set their comrades to retrieving them. After a while we realized that place had little to do with the needs of spirits, and everything to do with our needs. It isn’t necessary to be on the spot, usually. It had been insisted on this time because being on the spot connected our intuitive evidence and sensory evidence. Now that we’ve started the process, physical presence on a given spot isn’t needed, any more than it was needed by those who have done retrievals after the Katrina hurricane, or the September 11 attacks, or the thousands of other natural and unnatural disasters that people quietly clean up after.



Of course Civil War veterans aren’t the only people needing retrieval, even in Gettysburg. Veterans from other wars are buried there, what about them? And I got that everyone who ever passed through Gettysburg could be similarly contacted, regardless whether they died there or ever lived there. It struck me only later – thinking of the number of people who have toured that battlefield in 140 years – that we are talking about millions of people, for this one spot alone!



Beyond Gettysburg, beyond America, are all those uncounted millions of souls needing a nudge to wake them up. Think just of the battlefields of the two world wars in Europe! Think of the Chinese civil war of the 1850s and ‘60s that killed more than a million people. Think of the victims of Stalin’s and Mao’s systematic slaughter. And the worse the circumstances of people’s deaths, the greater the beneficent effect of bringing those souls to safety.



Did we do what we think we did? And, does it mark a new and more efficient way to enlist the dead to help the living to assist the dead? We think so. If we are right so, this could become a huge development. There’s plenty of work to be done. Working one retrieval at a time, we will never clean up the backlog of souls needing retrieving. But if we can become merely the physical point of a vast army of spirits, everything changes.



Working together, the living and the dead can transform this side and the other side. Many of us know in our bones that now is the time. The other side has never been nearer to us in normal consciousness than it is now, and we fully expect it to continue to approach closer. I think it is time for us to step up our efforts to meet it half-way. And it seems that this may be part of the way forward.





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Reply #1 - Oct 25th, 2006 at 11:10am
 
Greetings dear Mair,
I held off replying waiting to see if others might ask about what I was not clear on.  There were alot of new aspects to this retrieval!
Is Frank saying
...that we should do more group retrievals at sites of large disasters, such as battles, floods, etc? 
...Is he also suggesting we ask those we retrieve to help provide a bridge back to C1 by them contacting their loved ones to tell them that  ?---war is hell so beware?, ?---that the Afterlife exists?
...Is he also suggesting we find a human partner, and/or a guide who has a known place in the historical past so we can make clearer contact with that time period?  For group-partnered retrievals of groups?
He brought up alot of interesting points, quite different from my laissez faire attitude of " Well, they (Guides) know my intent is to help, so I guess they'll involve me when it's appropriate." I didn't mean for my laissez faire to be lazy fare Smiley but it looks like I better get more ambitious!
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Reply #2 - Oct 25th, 2006 at 12:40pm
 
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That was a big step, for thus we were using the dead to help the dead. That is, those who were dead but knew it, were thus able to contact those who had died and didn’t know it.


Bets, what Frank is saying is that we don't need to be on-site for the retrievals. Instead we call on those who died on-site and ask for their help in awakening those stuck instead of us doing it all. This way there can be mass retrievals.  This could be done as a group also. More chance of getting through to all those who died I would think. Group energy is always great.

Frank just happens to live in Faber, VA (in the same house I lived in while there) and Jim has had numerous incarnations in different wars so there's the intense interest there.   There are many battlefields in VA and many cemeteries.

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Reply #3 - Oct 25th, 2006 at 9:29pm
 
My wondering about this is: If people in the physical can retrieve nonphysical stuck people indirectly through asking other nonphysical people to retrieve those stuck, then the question is why do need nonphysical helpful people the call from a physical human to actually help those stuck? It sounds as if physical living people have to teach nonphysical people the art of retrieval, but aren't there enough teachers in the nonphysical to tell everyone who is willing to help about retrievals, more and easier than in the physical? That's a bit confusing to me.

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Reply #4 - Oct 26th, 2006 at 4:10am
 
I think I understand what you're asking. The way I figure it, the ones who know they're dead probably don't know that there are many others who are stuck. They're going about whatever it is they do in the afterlife. These were men who had died in the Civil War. So calling on non-physical men who had also died in the Civil War would help to move many or all to the Light. As Frank wrote, they made it a reunion and invited them to come. Does this help any?

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Reply #5 - Oct 26th, 2006 at 8:44pm
 
Yes, a bit...but I don't see why someone from the physical is needed for this (of course good ideas are welcome from everybody no matter where from). It makes more sense to me to view it this way, that Frank and his friend witnessed a process, they tuned into it, and/or had this idea at the same time, synchronicity, as this reunion-retrieval, the dead helping the dead, was taking place (or had taken place or will- whatever meaning time has over there).

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Reply #6 - Oct 26th, 2006 at 11:17pm
 
No, they didn't tune in as it was happening. They started it. In fact I just got an email from Frank awhile ago (he sent it to 6 people) as to whether or not we'd be interested in doing this as a group and then probably presenting it to the TMIExplorer's group. I wrote back that I would definitely like to be involved. As things go along, I'll keep you posted and hopefully you'll be able to understand it all. It's a novel new idea where the dead help the dead but need a/some physically living people to initiate it.  BTW, Bruce is also in the TMIExplorer's group.

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Reply #7 - Oct 27th, 2006 at 9:08pm
 
Exactly Mairlyn, this initiating by the physicals, that's what I wonder why... maybe it's becoming clearer when you report about this again, or Frank tells something more about what he thinks about my question.

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Reply #8 - Nov 6th, 2006 at 1:45pm
 
The Question about physical people beeing nessesary. We, that have a body can span a wider spectrum of frequency than those who have no body, and we have more lifeforce to spend. A lot of psycich phenomena needs a person with mediumistic ability to "donate" the nessesary energy for it to happen.
In "Healing the Family Tree  by Kenneth McAll" he describes a clearing an masse of concentrationcamp deaths. He is performing the ceremony in a church in England. Distance is no problem. Intention is the key factor.
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That's interesting. Thanks for your comments. And yes INTENTION is always the key factor.

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