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Aug 22nd, 2006 at 6:47am
 
The Ten Commandments are not 'God's' commandments, they are the Bibles commandments.  There is a difference.
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Reply #1 - Aug 22nd, 2006 at 7:43am
 
Hi Indiglo They are Gods commandments,which he told to Moses on the mountain,and thats why they were written into the bible. Love and God bless Juditha
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Reply #2 - Aug 22nd, 2006 at 8:21am
 
You can't believe everything you read.
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Reply #3 - Aug 22nd, 2006 at 1:18pm
 
I have often thought that all "guides," may not be working for a person's highest good.  In other words, a person who sets themselves out to hate or harm may be open to negative guidance from discarnate spirits of bad intent.

This is why, I believe the ultimate guidance comes from within and with a declaration of the intention for good and love.  Their are deceptive people alive right now, and it stands to reason, there are many more deceptive deceased in various focus levels.

Don used to sound the bell warnings about psychics and demons acting as spirit guides.  I believe that our good intention and declaration as such before any meditation or healing may, to some extent protect us from being influenced by bad guidance.

We also can not blame all our shortcomings on evil influences (for that matter).  If one is obsessed with crime, worry, sex - whatever, I don't think that it is always a case of negative spirits being the root cause of these problems.


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Reply #4 - Aug 22nd, 2006 at 2:22pm
 
I guess what Moses have got at that time was the best man could get. It was a good guidance (for that time). Of course now a day we can go further by our own finding the answers we need. By those days we needed kind of a “hard rule” and it fitted for a while but now we need more  so we do what we’re doing here looking for more… Wink

And about guidance I agree that we will receive influence from spirits with whom we have thoughts in common so it can be either a good or a bad guidance depending on the thoughts we are focused at the moment. Huh
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Reply #5 - Aug 22nd, 2006 at 4:08pm
 
Matthew and Kardec-   How much I agree! All of us, even with the best of intentions, are limited to the extent that we can do no more than what seems good or useful to us personally. The first two posts in this thread are interesting examples - Indiglo seems interested in authentication of the Commandments, Juditha lovingly gives him her thoughts and blesses him, and the rest of us chime in with our own personal agendas. If someone else popped up to tell us of dozens of hippies who used to sit around communing with the aid of a bush that was burned, but not consumed (when I was attempting to be a hippie, this was an acceptable version of Moses' epiphany), we might certainly bet that there would be an underlying agenda aimed at some kind of self-service  (usually justification for wasting our lives). The same would be true for a demon, or other dweller in the intermediate regions between hither and yon.

Kardec might recall cases in which practitioners of Voudou, Umbanda, Santeria or other similar spiritualist religions were poorly prepared, so as they participated in the spiritual ceremonies and acquired their spirit mounts they also acquired a handful of bad habits and attachments. I recall several similar cases, one of which was a young woman from Jamaica or Trinidad (I forget which) whose religious practices had led to acquisition of over a dozen benign, but annoying spiritual entities. She disgorged them all withinin less than half an hour. (I felt like I had discovered a mass production approach to entity releasement.) They had brought her a small amount of inner chaos that required energy to subdue, so whe was glad to get rid of them. These were innocent beings who were doing their best to survive in an otherwise hostile world. They willingly went off into the Light when they had the chance. Some had styled themselves as demons and others as simple spirits, simply because they lacked direction or knowledge, but given direction, they moved along appropriately. Again, they moved because it was in their immediate interests.

In light of this, I wonder whether we, who are posting this stuff, are any different. Of course we're dealing with a web site and a forum, but we enter this interaction for personal reasons, not out of some abstract and transcendental motive involved with eg. extension of the ability of God to handle disorder among the borderline faithful as they make their weekly circuit between expressions of faith today and of fornication tomorrow. Juditha gets off on blessing and loving - which is a wonderful place to have her head. Doc is a serious thinking with a pragmatic approach, and Kardec is a serious student of metaphysical practices - I'm an old fart with too much free time and an interest in this stuff as well - and we all act for our own interests. It seems to work.

I suggest that we notice that the superordinal plan by which all the other rules were derived is most easily found in the "Golden Rule", which long predates Christianity, and can be found at least 5000 years ago in Hindu writings, and which is also implied in Egyptian early beliefs. To paraphrase, "Treat others like you want to be treated, because they and you are one in God." By virtue of this truth, as well as the karmic results of "doing whatever we personally want to do", we seem to be progressing, learning and evolving. Even the hippies and the 1960-1970 "smoke your way to enlightenment" scene seems to have been useful.

I'm led to speculate that there are no "evil influences" nor "bad beings", but simply phases of growth, degrees of enlightenment, and levels of understanding. Thus, a demon is just an angel who doesn't like his job. Tomorrow times might change and the demon becomes a being of light, bringing insight, and a vitally important demonstration of God's infinite forgiveness. Thus, to some, I'm doubtless demonic to even think this, and to others, this thought is so trite and commonplace that I'm a bore.

If all the rest is handled by personal meanderings through the various experiences of life, and the karmic lessons that produces, maybe the only really important issues are things like, "What's for lunch?"

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Reply #6 - Aug 22nd, 2006 at 4:39pm
 
We ALL view the universe thrugh our own fiter (through a glass darkly).

And remember...misery loves company!
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Reply #7 - Aug 22nd, 2006 at 4:42pm
 
Hi Matthew Kardec and Dave. Thanks for your replys,i have read and learned quiet a lot ,from what you have written.Much love and God bless you all Juditha
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Reply #8 - Aug 22nd, 2006 at 4:53pm
 
“what’s for lunch”

People often state that they would like to know what their “mission” in this life is. I use to answer that their mission is to live their lives. Tomorrow will bring itself…
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Reply #9 - Aug 22nd, 2006 at 6:39pm
 
Hey Dave,

Great post!  Baked tofu with limburger cheese coming right up!  Wink

If I were to throw in my 2 cents, I'd say we are all on a healing journey to heal the pain we've created and the way we learn to do that is by the Golden Rule.

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Reply #10 - Aug 23rd, 2006 at 9:13pm
 
Where did you get that recipe, Kathy?
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Reply #11 - Aug 23rd, 2006 at 10:31pm
 
From you.

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Reply #12 - Aug 24th, 2006 at 6:00am
 
Sweet, now I'm the first post.

I had a feeling this would happen, and it bothers me that she hasn't learned to not talk about this anymore yet.

I mean, wow, after the mini controversy that went on after she was probationed, she comes back and does the same thing?

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Reply #13 - Aug 24th, 2006 at 6:05am
 
Hi Indiglo
I'm sorry, but what are you talking about? think I missed somthing!
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Reply #14 - Aug 24th, 2006 at 6:06am
 
Does it show me as the first post in this thread?
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