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Female Genital Mutilation, an evil of ignorance
Jun 29^th, 2006 at 1:48am

In today's Straits Times (newspaper), was this following article on 'breast ironing' , a practice of female mutilation (against the victim's will) that is still carried out by miserably ignorant mothers/societies in some countries today.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/5107360.stm

There is also the bigger issue of "female genital mutilation", which continues to be practiced to this day (against the victim's will), again by miserably ignorant mothers/societies in some countries today.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clitoridectomy

Please read the *entire* wikipedia page above, to understand the situation fully.

All of these ongoing 'evil' practices are really caused by ignorance, foolishness, lack of clarity and spiritual education.

We beseech each of you to *ceaselessly* continue your efforts in doing your part to contribute in any way possible, to the consciential or spiritual upliftment and education of this planet.

Some would recall the saying, "If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem", which is true. But we don't want you to help because there are problems; we want (to invite) you to help because you *care*. Because you love. Because you do.

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augoeideian Super Member Offline Afterlife Knowledge Member Posts: 958 South Africa Gender:	Re: Female Genital Mutilation, an evil of ignoranc Reply #1 - Jun 29^th, 2006 at 8:22am Oh gosh Kyo this happens alot in Africa .. brrrr Thanks for the message and hope you are well.
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Touching Souls Super Member Offline LOVE IS ALL, SHINE YOUR LIGHT THAT OTHERS MAY SEE Posts: 1966 Metaline Falls, WA Gender:	Re: Female Genital Mutilation, an evil of ignoranc Reply #3 - Jun 29^th, 2006 at 10:46am Kyo, I had heard of the genital mutilation but not the breast ironing. What a horrible thing to have happen to young girls. Thank you for bringing this to our attention. One more thing to add to the list of man/woman's inhumanity to man/woman. Love, Mairlyn
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Reply #4 - Jun 29^th, 2006 at 11:57am

Why pick just one story or type of story?

here is an article about a man being mutilated by enemies. I skipped reading the part about the attack, but the end has beauty in it. He has a beautiful wife.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/5129350.stm

I wonder if the breast thing is a new thing because I don't think you could breast-feed if this happened to you and so in traditional culture, if you couldn't breast-feed the baby would die. So I don't think this is a traditional thing.

Kyo have you read The Disappearance of the Universe? It has a different take on how to react to stuff like this.

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Number XII Junior Member Offline Afterlife Knowledge Member Posts: 96	Re: Female Genital Mutilation, an evil of ignoranc Reply #5 - Jun 30^th, 2006 at 12:30am That was a pretty graphic pic my mom just saw while looking over my shoulder there Kyo.
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Reply #6 - Jul 3^rd, 2006 at 11:35am

And then there's this:

http://www.boston.com/ae/books/articles/2006/07/03/secrets__lies/?page=full

Why is one atrocity worse than another? Why do these things happen in Africa? why has there been so much mutilation in Africa? Is there something in the Afican mindset that attracts it? How do you heal that mindset?

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Reply #7 - Jul 3^rd, 2006 at 2:17pm

I don't feel one atricity is worse than another. They are all horrible and shows the low regard that so many have towards other people.

I wish I had the answers on how to heal the mindset. One thing I do know is that the earth and her people are going through the ascension/shift now and everything negative is and will be coming to Light. People are starting to wake up. We are ALL here because we wanted to be here during these 'so called end times.' It's a difficult time to be alive and see man's inhumanity to man so vividly.

God Bless Us All,
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Reply #8 - Jul 4^th, 2006 at 10:50am

Lucy hi

That is an interesting posting you made and an interesting question you asked .. how do you change the mindset in Africa ...

Been born in Zimbabwe (then Rhodesia) and having lived in South Africa since 1974 it is a subject close to my heart ..

Apartheid was such an evil domination of one culture group over the other and set our country back by at least 50 years. Apartheid affected all race groups; i was expelled from school when i was 16 because i organised a protest in my school against racial discrimination (of course my school being only white then) i left the country and joined anti-apartheid in London but realised i would be of more use in SA then being out of the country. My brother refused to do the compulsory military service that every white 18 year old had to do .. he was given 3 months to leave the country which he did.

The change of government in 1994 liberated all South Africans black and white ... Oh apartheid was bad and contributed to the mindset of this country it forced people to go underground, lack confidence and put hate into the hearts of men and women.

The indigenious African people are an extremely spiritual people, they are so close to the earth, nature, speak to their ancestors, throw bones, shells and stones for readings, follow the stars, have set rituals, and their language is one of poetic speaking ... all this mixed with a certain amount of superstition.

Colonialism and apartheid destroyed the open spiritualism that existed - white man's rules applied now - church on sundays where the black person had their own entrance and benches and were not allowed to voice an opinion .. you can imagine the humility of a once proud nation .. close to the ways of nature ... and the supressed anger and shock.

From this colonialism and apartheid the 'collective consciousness' in the indigenious African, that had existed peaceful as a group, now became their only diginity and hope - one for all and all for one. And it was this collective consciousness that toppled apartheid.

The way i see it; colonialism was bound to happen and i have spoken about Steiner's work on an universal movement from the collective spirit to the individual intelligence and now, this era, the joining of the two - collective spiritualism with individual intellect. We see in SA the move towards individual intellect now (empowerment in terms of money being the tool) and a moving away from the collective consciousness and hopefully soon in the not to distant future the joining of the two in the spirit of love and peace.

i touch on sensitive ground now because no-one speaks about it here (yet, that i know about?) .. in my view it seems as if this 'collective consciousness' is being used by certain entities that do not want peace. It infiltrates in our 'modern' day society through politics and certain organisations .. not so much in SA because we are an emerging Nation with a vision and determination to succeed .. but .. there are still rural places and north of the border ...

Africa may you be blessed with the spirit of goodwill, love and peace that Nelson Mandela initiated.

my opinion that may not be endorsed by managament (to quote Alysia's great line) and i would dearly like to discuss this further .. and hear an African's opinion.

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Reply #9 - Jul 4^th, 2006 at 11:46am

Hi augoeideian

I don't know who else here is from the African continent but I think your perspective is quite interesting. I missed your post on Steiner and have not read his work but find endeavoring to understand society interms of how the group conciousness works is interesting. Do you think colonialism had to happen to Africa to evoke some change? I recall years ago an older Japanese co-worker saying that the atomic bomb was needed..it did something positive for Japan, because it broke down the empirial system. That seemed kind of drastic to me! Surely there was a more peaceful way. So what did colonialism break down in Africa?

Recently I came across something about what really happened in the Congo under Leopold. Oh my god! What did the Europeans do, leave Europe so they couyld practice atrocities? Both in Africa and the Americas. Whose the "primitive" peoples here? Maybe we really do project our basest qualities on to others so we can practice hate.

Yet the Africans themselves had a bit of brutality...I was shocked when I first learned that the slaves who came to America were probably captured by other Africans and sold away. I guess, just as in Europe, it was tribe against tribe. I was used to seeing more solidarity among African-Americans. America was their melting pot. The traditional African Americans have to some extent carried on the traits you describe for the indigenous people. This hasn't heped black kids score high on SATs but I think there is another intelligence at work there. Something more subtle. Probably something analagous happening with Native Americans.

I'm trying to recall what Jacob Needleman wrote in Lost Christianity. One part was about a missionary (Catholic priest) in Africa. I think the guy developed an appreciation for the local culture, even changed because of it. I suppose you have plenty to read without worrying about American authors! I don't know much about group conciousness being used by negative forces, though it seems sometimes that happens. Needleman has 2 books on America and I think for US they address the intent of your question on Africa. Sometimes it just feels like there is a pattern there even if one can't say what it is.

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Lucy Super Member Offline Posts: 1158 C1	Re: Female Genital Mutilation, an evil of ignoranc Reply #10 - Jul 4^th, 2006 at 12:23pm Well one of the Jacob Needleman works turns out to be a pdf you can download. It isn't what you are talking about but in a way it may complement what you are talking about. goes more with your Happy 4th post, maybe. http://www.jacobneedleman.com/TwoDreams.pdf
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Reply #11 - Jul 5^th, 2006 at 4:34am

Hi Lucy

Steiner's main work concentrated on our Universe's evolution and structure from the beginning into the future, as well as our human evolution in the Universe's evolution. Very interesting work.

http://www.defendingsteiner.com/articles/steiner.php
http://www.rudolfsteinerweb.com/
http://www.steinercollege.org/rs.html

Colonialism did have to happen throughout the world as part of our development process mainly -World Unity. It was and is imperative for our Intellect side to develop into free thinking; our universe is expanding we need to expand with it coupled with knowledge and understanding of our place in the universe and therefore we take accountability for ourselves and are not reliant on a God to save us (although indeed ultimately we are, we are reliant on His magic to keep it all together) we save ourselves; we are part of His creative plan and have our free ticket - we dont want to be a hinderance in other words our aim is to become together because we want to.

Colonialism and the generations of modern society enables us to develop our rational mind in life challenges; we learn how to cope and deal with situations and in turn gain experience through the life lessons. Moving away from the 'dream state' which comes from our origins and so instead of thinking 'i am not responsible for the on-going creation of the world, its not my job' (albeit humble, yes we must be humble) we realise that we are the makers of our own destiny; i don't think God would want it any other way. So modern day society is crucial for our development; we learn to stand on our own feet as opposed to living in a collective part of the pack state.

Always though we have the influence of 'the fallen angel' - without this influence our progress would have been one happy joyous journey. But this influence is here - and it challenges us further and surely we become stronger for it. Colonialism was brutal in its approach and could have been done far more gentler with diplomacy but again we learn from this and hopefully realise the mistakes that our forefathers made in their approach and hopefully break the wheel of karma from these mistakes. Colonialism broke the 'dream state' that African was in.

African people can be very cruel to one another and very jealous of each other; one cannot have more than the other but it is this cusp of dream state and intellect that African is going through for the past century or so. Always with the negative force 'behind the scenes'.

i do feel our path in evolution is on the right track and it is because of us - we contribute far more than we realise although the deeds may seem very small. Our energy and our thoughts, now becoming individual intellectually collective - beyond the dream state - we are making it happen with an abundance of Blessings from our Spiritual parents. It is wonderful - challenging, heart breaking at times, confusing but wonderful knowing we carry within us the divine spark.

Thanks for the Jacob Needleman link - nice, i will be reading it through today. i do have his book 'Modern Esoteric Spirituality' he co-authored with Antoine Faivre also a good read.

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augoeideian Super Member Offline Afterlife Knowledge Member Posts: 958 South Africa Gender:	Re: Female Genital Mutilation, an evil of ignoranc Reply #12 - Jul 5^th, 2006 at 4:52am The original topic is symbolic of the supression of the female soul. A supression that is happening in 1st world society and in the darkest places of Africa. my thought.
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