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Talking to a man of "thought-things" (Read 2161 times)
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Talking to a man of "thought-things"
May 18th, 2006 at 6:55pm
 
Hi everybody, that's a retrieval in which I talked about "thought-things" to the retrievee:

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A man in a small appartment. He is astonished, scared, when he saw me. I looked at it from another perspective and saw him looking at a bright white fuzzy figure. He stuttered that he has wished and prayed for an angel to come and change this boring life. He: "But it was just an unrealistic silly wish!" "Well,well,", I said, "now I'm here anyway. You want to leave? To a nice site?" He: "Yes, into the green, a house, space, calm, grass and flowers, like a park." I: "You can go there if you want. We can go together." He seemed not to be convinced, not really believing what's happening. I said: "You have created all this here around. It's your thought-things. Oh, it is reality, right! The reality you have chosen. Here it becomes reality what you're wishing. You know you're not in the physical?" He: "Well...hmm, I have thought about it, yes..."; but he has put this thoughts aside. I: "Ok, give me your hand. We then will go to the site you wished to be." But he didn't want to give me his hand. It seemed to get complicated. The distrust and the non-believing were in the way. I: "Allright. Then concentrate on your wished place and that you go to it. I will accompany you." It worked. We were in a meadowy place, hilly, trees, bright, and a little house. He was delighted in this. That was what he had wished. Because he brought it up, I told him: "Yes, you could go back. But you don't need it to carry your things up to here. Remember: They are your thought-things. You can bring them here with your intention to do so. If you want company, neighbourhood, think of your wish clearly and it will be cared for." He did it and I hooked up with his thoughts/him, and I saw he met with a woman. It seemed to be an old love of him, at least from his side, and he begged her on his knees to become his wife. But she said: "That's not the way things work here. This has no meaning here. We're free here to have the company we wish, to like and love whomever we want to. You must accept that." The man was surprised, puzzled, worried, and went back to his new place, and had to think about several things. [Feb 06]

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I remembered this retrieval half an hour after I phased back to full physical awareness, which is unusual for me, normally I remember it immediately after a meditation.

As it seems, his new place too is consisting of his thought forms. But I felt to a lesser degree than his former place, so that his new place is much more open to other people and other people's thought forms, which would mean the degree of sharing-possibilities is greater.

Spooky
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Re: Talking to a man of "thought-things"
Reply #1 - May 20th, 2006 at 9:25am
 
Spooky said:
..."But it was just an unrealistic silly wish!"
"Well,well,", I said, "now I'm here anyway."

So , spooky, you answered his call for assistance. But do you know if 'silly, unrealistic' wishes' ever irritate our helpers, perhaps causing them to 'turn a deaf ear' to later needs?

Unrelated to that---
Do you feel he needs to gain more awareness before he moves on? Will you ever go back to see if he's ready?

"Well, well, now I'm here anyway."   I like that very much! Maybe I could borrow it as my life's motto?
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There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
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Re: Talking to a man of "thought-things"
Reply #2 - May 20th, 2006 at 6:23pm
 
Haha, Betson, yes of course you can.
I very strongly believe helpers would not become tired to listen to wishes of their clients (not to say "sheeps"), as silly as those wishes might be. I often felt my helpers to be the knowing-ironic-grinning type. But earnest too, they would just not resonate with silly wishes and make the best of what we want and desire. But it's not like here, where at some point you would shut your ears to people who are "always" living in silly dreams.

I was happy he made it to his new place, it was nice. I didn't felt responsible of his further way. He indeed in my view had to see things different to move on, his trip to his old love showed to me that he is still attached to simplistic models of relationship, where the outer form is important, and therefore he should learn to get clear about his feelings and true wishes, to open his heart for himself and then let it speak to others too. That's my view, I'm not into caring for people in the more comfortable regions of the afterlife, though I did those things very briefly. I'm sure he gets help there, as long as he remembers his guided trip from the small appartment to the lovely countrysite, which would remind him on how important wishes are, and therefore to spend some effort to formulate and intentionalize the wish. If he would forget the possibility of change, he would get stuck, repeating the same in a circle.
Don't know if I'll have a look at him again.

Btw, it is of course a bit embarassing to tell that I substituted an angel and be the great helper. But it is very simple, I just believe in the possibility of change and see thought-patterns. I know a psychologist and we talk frequently about her patients. What she often tells is, that their patients have developed the most obvious and plainest to see problems-the only one who don't see it is the patient (and often the people around him/her). Then it is to manage to tell it the patient in the right way. That's very similar to retrievals I find.

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