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May 11th, 2006 at 11:01am
 
I am new to posting here, so please forgive me if this is in the wrong place.
I have a question for you that I am not sure you can fully answer, but I'll give it a shot anyway. I have watched the posts on this board for quite awhile before joining, and I was curious to know what your beliefs are?
From what I understand you do not believe in God, but you do believe in the afterlife. Is this statement correct? If so, and this is just for me so please don't take this wrong, I can't comprehend one without the other. Could you please explain this to me so that I may better understand?
Thanks and love,
Gretchen
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Reply #1 - May 11th, 2006 at 11:30am
 
Hey Gretch,

Let me ask you the same question in reverse, Why does God, equate to there being an afterlife? Before god came into the human equation, people believed the afterlife was inside the earth, and it was just a process, of energy transfer aka [spirit leaving the physical] and heading down further inside the earth.

I believe in an afterlife, because i understand, and i can put my faith in the evidence presented for it, i can gain experience of it, and i can gain proof it's existance.

I cannot believe in evidence for god, as i cannot prove anything in connection with god to myself, i cannot put my faith in someone else's word's, wrote 2,000 years ago, when i pray, i cannot move mountains, i have never recieved a miracle, or divine inspiration.

God.. is a being created, becuase our natural fear of having no control is very strong, people find comfort from beliving in god, and i can understand why... but still my brain wont let me believe in somthing just because it make's life seem worthwhile. 100's of years ago, people had very hard live's, and there comfort was, they would die and go to heaven.. people grabbed onto that fear, and exploited it, and religon is one of the greatest methods of control ever created.

Once you break the fear of no god, your mind is open to greater possiblities, you stop believing in hell, and heaven, and you seek the truth, instead of being happy stuck in the confines of religon. Religion is forever being modified, and updated to fit in with modern principles etc.

Evidence, which you can gain, and anyone can gain is ultimately, fixed.. and unchanging.. if it works once, it will work again, experiment and reproduability, are things you can put your faith in.

The odds would say, the evidence for the afterlife is good, the evidence for the existance of god, is bad.. look at the source of god.. and see how it came about, and then find out the truth behind it/make your own conclusions, and if you dont find the idea of god, worthy of modern day thinking, eliminate it.. from your beliefs.



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Reply #2 - May 11th, 2006 at 11:54am
 
Thank you very much for replying so quickly. I have seen how you have ruffled some feathers a time or two around here Wink so I was just curious to know what your most basic beliefs were.
To answer your question, I have no proof of anything. I too have never experienced any miracles or proof that were made obvious as such. I guess I would have to label my beliefs as a feeling within myself. I, at least right now, can't see things any other way. I am always searching for the answers that we all seek. I love these types of boards, because even though I may not understand some peoples beliefs, I still learn something from them.
There are many things that I don't understand, because I haven't experienced them personally. Because I don't understand I try to learn more about these things so that I may, in time, understand in my personal truth whether they are on the level or not. I try not to dismiss that which I don't understand.
I do have a problem, as I have noticed many people here do as well, with  organised religion. I can't comprehend a God that is so full of love "beyond what we can comprehend" sending his beloved children to hell. A good friend of mine and I have come to many an empass over that one Tongue She is very "religious" and believes everything that her pastor says that the Bible means. She questions nothing, just blindly follows what she is told. This bothers me personally, but I am constantly checking myself to not judge her as she judges me for having a different set of beliefs.
Every once in awhile we have what I feel to be very enlightning conversations that are truly a give and take exchange of ideas. Those times are what I live for! So I hope to have that here too, with you and anyone else that I may speak with Grin
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Gretch
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Reply #3 - May 11th, 2006 at 4:18pm
 
Grtechen, i've travelled most of the Spiritual desert trails for a long time and eventually realised God was and is, always around.

However, 'god' as presented by Christianity is a theological myth, which simply leads to a confused nowhere.

These are the folk who swore their 'god told them the Earth is flat - yet it is alleged he made it one day. He must have a terrible memory.

These are the same folk who set fire to crippled, disfigured, poor mis-shapen beings, labelling them 'witches', saying their 'god commanded them to do so by writing secretly in a book of Hebrew history.
The same folk, too, who profitably indulged in the slavery of God's Black children, but who claim to follow Jesus, whom they regard as being central to their born-again lives. They clearly followed from a very long way behind.

I hope you can find God, Gretchen - perhaps simply ask that God finds you - but I doubt if any theologian will be of much help Good Luck.
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Reply #4 - May 11th, 2006 at 5:33pm
 
I'm not really looking for God. What I meant was I already believe without having any "proof". I don't know if that has to do with what I have been taught over the years or if it's just something within myself. Maybe it's both?  All that I care about is that I am completely sure in my heart that there is a God and I am at peace with that. I just can't allow myself to believe that God is what most organised religions speak of.
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Reply #5 - May 11th, 2006 at 5:37pm
 
This topic kind of makes me smile, because *I* am always being bemused about why anyone would think that the afterlife and (a) god had any necessary connection...guess it just depends on what direction you approach a question from!  Wink
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Reply #6 - May 12th, 2006 at 4:01am
 
Exactly Cricket. All life is eternal. We survive because it is the Natural Law and what we choose to 'believe' matters nothing.
What we do and think, however, seems to have a major bearing on things, though.
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Reply #7 - May 12th, 2006 at 4:05am
 
Hi Gretchen  Smiley

i really like your questioning and look forward to getting to know you on this site.

For me; God and the afterlife go hand in hand and i believe there is so much proof around. To me; it is a feeling that saturates my body and thinking. it is an individual journey though and may you have fulfillment that resonants with you; in your journey.

best wishes
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Reply #8 - May 12th, 2006 at 1:58pm
 
".... Eternal are we; wrapped in Love
so that we may See ..."
Borrowing the quote from aug., how about if we all wrap spitfire in some PUL so that 'he may See...' ?

Let's do it Sun (the 14th) eve, board time around 7 pm, or whenever. We know now his name is Craig and that his email name is yorkshire pudding--that should be enough to let the spiritual realm know who we mean.

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Reply #9 - May 12th, 2006 at 2:07pm
 
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".... Eternal are we; wrapped in Love
so that we may See ..."
Borrowing the quote from aug., how about if we all wrap spitfire in some PUL so that 'he may See...' ?

Let's do it Sun (the 14th) eve, board time around 7 pm, or whenever. We know now his name is Craig and that his email name is yorkshire pudding--that should be enough to let the spiritual realm know who we mean.



Need anything else, give me a pm... im open to anything once...

I see fine thanks, my values, work well for me.
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Reply #10 - May 12th, 2006 at 2:20pm
 
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Let's do it Sun (the 14th) eve, board time around 7 pm, or whenever. We know now his name is Craig and that his email name is yorkshire pudding--that should be enough to let the spiritual realm know who we mean. 


Sounds good to me Bets. Wink
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Reply #11 - May 12th, 2006 at 2:22pm
 
That's Mothers day, i'll be busy Wink
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Reply #12 - May 12th, 2006 at 2:25pm
 
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That's Mothers day, i'll be busy Wink


Your just saved my neck...[i forgot it was mothers day] much appreciated.
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Reply #13 - May 12th, 2006 at 2:26pm
 
LMAO. No problem Grin
You're not a mom are you? Wink
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Reply #14 - May 12th, 2006 at 2:31pm
 
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LMAO. No problem Grin
You're not a mom are you? Wink


Only to people on this forum.

Im a 19 year old, chap from Yorkshire... so i guess i would be really in trouble, if i was..lol.
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