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Re: Group PE Sat May 13th
Reply #45 - May 20th, 2006 at 3:45pm
 
Spooky, here is that story I got from the internet forums. the fellow writing it is an author of science fiction. but science fiction is a use of the imagination, the same as we do here. so I believe its pertinent to ponder our creative abilities when we utilize the imagination, as then we can get a handle on how we create our realities both shared and personal.

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Okay, now I know this sounds incredibly far fetched. I'm still not entirely sure whether to believe it or not, but its just so incredible that I almost dont care.

I'm posting this with my friend permission. He was the one who actually did the exploration since I can't project yet. I merely helped orient him towards the details of the various worlds. He wants me to post thsi instead of him since it will add more validity.

Anyway, one night I was over at my friends house. We were  discussing thought-forms,  I came up with the idea for him to try and explore the section of the astral where the world from a fantasy series I'm writing might be contained. Well, he was succesful. It turns out that particular section of the astral connected to a whole other physical universe, with its own creator.

He traveled down to the world of my story, looking for the various cities and characters. Much to my shock, he was able to confirm details of this world that I had not yet revealed, such as geographical details, hidden ruins and future developments. For instance, he discovered an island in one of the oceans containing a transdimensional bubble, an aspect of my world I had taken ardous measures not to reveal. He was able to find my characters, and accurately describe their looks and personality, still finding details I hadn't yet mentioned. Furthermore, he was even able to talk to some of them. He had a long conversation with a dragon I had yet to introduce and a powerful female spirit.

The female spirit and other gods watching over this particular solar system were quite surprised by his presence, but knew what was going on, since travelers can pass between universes. They even asked him to spar a particular person. Smiley One of the most interesting aspects of this world though, was the fact that it had already moved on several decades past the time my story took place, even though I'm still writing it. It wasnt just a subjective realm creating in the astral by my imagination, it had its own tangible existance.

My jaw keeping falling ever closer to the floor as he continually confirmed details of my universe. After that we investigated several other fictional worlds such as the Wheel of Time, the Shannara series and Final Fantasy 9.He found that the world of FF9 is much bigger than shown in the game, which was to be expected.

Both of us were utterly amazed by when we finally finished. Seeing evidence of the actual existance of my universe made me sort of feel like a proud father. 

We both speculated as to what connection I might have with my story, as that universe had its own creator. The conclusion we came to, is that writers such as myself are actually channeling stories, especially the clear ones, but that furthermore, we are connected to these higher Gods on a level beyond time and space, and thus the ideation that brings worlds into existance is a co-creation of sorts.

After talking over this, I found that my vision of this story seems to have strengthened. It was very inspiring.
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Re: Group PE Sat May 13th
Reply #46 - May 20th, 2006 at 8:07pm
 
Hi Ryan,
good you told this! I several times imagined making music and/or having a session out there, but it was the first time I payed attention to if I or you use a plectrum or not, so it's a hit that I thought of it and you just at that time used a plectrum again. These hits are good motivators, like hints "you're on the right track, keep on!".


Alysia!
Thanks for that!
There are two main ways to see it:
1. The author has channeled "his" Sci-Fi world and it's characters, so instead of inventing it he picked it up. (To go in extremo, one could assume all authors are not creative, but smart in picking up already existing realities. Imagine, all novels would be "true stories"! Or at least, novels would consist of parts of this existing realities.)
2. The author has created his Sci-Fi world. Then it is to question, what degree of independence creations have, or can develop.

It's very difficult to find out what's right.

Without decision what possibility is true, the author "has" a world which is not the physical, and his friend could visit it, telling details which the author hadn't unveiled to that point of time. So, the author's friend had access to the author's SciFi world. Now, what I see here is practically important, the author's friend knew some of the older SciFi worlds of the author, and that's I guess what made it easier to get there. How you maybe would say, through reading/talking about the older stories of the author, his/her friend got the ID of that world.
In any case, it has become a shared nonphysical world and that's what PE is about. Our experiences in the physical as well as our dreams and imaginations (including the TMI-suggested own "special place") could be a possible target to be seen by another PEler. Maybe constructive and well organized, much effort taken imaginative systems are especially likely to be perceived by others. But, as I said above, a sort of ID would be helpful then.

Soo, much thoughts are coming from that...


...processing...Spooky

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Reply #47 - May 21st, 2006 at 7:56am
 
Hiya!

Just wanted to reply to Betson's, Spooky's and Alysia's discussion on page three about how we see other people and recieve impressions about them.

I also, like Alysia think you are both right. I find it such a mind blower and part of the reason i don't think evidence which doesn't match 100% isn't 100% correct and a contact, just hard to believe!

I believe first of all, on a personal basis when we project, or go out there in some means, we take with us our C1 features. I don't think we need them out there but because this is essentially something new to us all it is a way to get trust and good for communication, know who we are talking too. so we have this basic image of who we are out there. But then i feel we influence our own image through our beliefs, wishes etc. So could appear differently. Also to make it slightly more complicated, say during the day someone called our projector ugly, or fat for example, this will be in the projectors subconcious mind for a little while, so this could also end up being a influence, so maybe they look a little bigger? or seem shy? i don't know how it really effects but do know it has some influence, although our basic image is there, some more hidden than others. I feel that people who are more happy with themselves (not just how they look) have a more represntative image out there.

Also to make it more confusing like Spooky was saying, our interpreter also has a part to play. But this is confusing for me because it works in so many ways, how we percieve them from a no biased exploring way. Also add out built image of them on top from talking on here etc, also add up their image of how they want to be percieved and also could be how they want to be percieved to you specifically? distortion of general projecting. theres so many more factors, i find it overwhelming to try and understand how this all works!!

Well i hope that makes sense, just wanted to post before i read any furthur. Does this seem to match your beliefs, its only my belief so could be completely wrong for all i know! But just seems to fit for me.

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Reply #48 - May 21st, 2006 at 9:28am
 
Greetings ryan,
Thanks for sorting things out for us on that. You make alot of sense. I can't say it 'matches' my beliefs because so much is happening I haven't formed many hardcore beliefs, just have opened some more windows on possibilities--lots of windows! What you said seems right and helps fit it all together.
I too hope you continue to explore the afterlife and help us see how much it interacts with the present life.
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Reply #49 - May 21st, 2006 at 4:48pm
 
Hi Ryan, Spooky and Bets. I like everything you guys have to say on the subject. nice to know you have no hardcore beliefs Bets, so then you can recieve more easily what is your path.

I study the interpretor part of our mind ceaselessly in obes and dreams which blend for me. I also study another author's philosophy that we create each other in our mind's eye. possibility we create others to be, and these others are not what they seem to me. sort of like beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and ugliness also in eye of the beholder..so nice to become observer of the interpretor mind.

here's one obe to show me what was in the subconscious desire dept. a friend whom I love dearly came to me door. I asked him to stay. I said I had an extra bed and I extended my hospitality nature. He looked at me crazy, for he was not there to rest. he was not tired, did not need me to "take care of him."
out there, my desire nature is to take care of people, then I woke up to work with this dream. it was not others who were tired..it was me. I sought rest from my entire life! I always dreamed of having a bed and breakfast and I would give hospitality to travelers.
this obe I concluded was showing only a part of me, not the whole of me. but it was a real part of me and the circumstances had a lot of feeling around them.

but takes me a long time to figure things out. then my friend decided to mirror me. he jumps on a bed and starts pouting to show me myself. I needed to save someone. I run over to save him from pouting...lol...its me I'm saving. I start poking him with my hands as he's in the fetal position...I tell him he's the greatest thing ever happened to the music field. lol. his ploy worked. I have now been reprogrammed when I wake up. he had come to ask me about getting back into  music field instead of bed and breakfast business.
so then I realize I have just not only been entertained but reprogrammed back in C1. I sit down to contemplate being out here in the ozone. I say, ok, music it will be but I have a problem with my energy level. he says what will be your diet? I say whole milk. he says I will go get some for the morning coming. I say, does this mean you will stay? he didn't answer that. he just left to get the milk.

I consider this a PE because I've had 17 encounters with this friend so far, each of them so instructive in guidance that I no longer feel I'm using him, but that we help each other out there and use each other the same to learn from. sometimes I learned its best to be the student instead of the teacher all the time, and so I say if I get manipulated I can look at it another way, that I can turn it into a learning experience of positive nature and the dreams get a little less crazy.

all that is like the subconscious mind has so much in it. and the subc and the C1, they should be friends, as integrated, is the worthy goal!

so keep exploring always is my thought. hugs, alysia
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Reply #50 - May 21st, 2006 at 9:02pm
 
Hi!
Ryan you are right to mention how recent experiences, if we want or not, can influence our performance, here and there.
And Alysia, great reply! As you show in your example how we can have a look at ourselves understanding messages from the subconscious.
I am reminded of what I've heard from eastern consciousness practics, which I would in short say the purpose of it is to become self-transparent and controlled. Meaning in the last consequence, there is no difference anymore between subconscious and conscious. Same awareness in sleep as in waking state. Don't know if it's possible, but I guess if a person rose far to this "clearing" and lucidity s/he will much more present and noticeable to others in a PE, as this person would less "flicker" due to inconsistent self-images and ponderings, but I guess also the one who watches this person must to some degree master this issue. Or like Ryan put it, persons who are happy with themselves, yes!

Spooky

...but it might be some have strong aspects, almost independent, and those aspects might also be good perceivable by others...
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Reply #51 - May 21st, 2006 at 9:32pm
 
Hey Chuckles, with regards to what you wrote about the sci-fi story and the correlating voyage taken into that imaginitive world... I find it to be rather intruiging on multiple levels. I also believe that if it was to be fine tuned and polished it could make one heck of a blockbuster hit! In addition, I bet that if there was a really good "story compiler" out there, that he/she could take a lot of what has been written on this forum and what Bruce and many others have written, and make one heck of a movie as well! Not only would the general public find it all to be an amusing movie, but it may also open up a lot of minds to more possibilities and possibly help to usher in these Earth changes even faster... Again, the writer would have a lot of work ahead of him/her to put all of the information into a cohesive story, but the end result would be overwhelming to say the least!

(I would watch it!) Wink

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Reply #52 - May 23rd, 2006 at 1:16am
 
your right CA, coming here is better than watching TV, thats for sure better than Gilligans Island rerun. lol. PE can be great fun to get a hit. make u feel good all day.

say spooky, it was a steel guitar I saw that time, that you would be good at it. they slide the bar around on it and make it cry. hugs, alysia
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Reply #53 - May 23rd, 2006 at 7:49pm
 
Hi Alysia, yes I guessed that's what you meant, usually used in country/western music, but saw it also once when a guy played the blues on it. I don't play it, but I did practice many years ago slide-guitar (just a bit), and my music-partner also does it on some songs we use to play. I have thought actually if I should return to practice slide guitar, you're saying I would be good at steel guitar, I take it as a hint, and maybe you really picked it up!

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Reply #54 - May 23rd, 2006 at 7:59pm
 
Spooky, I was talking to you, and you could play anything good..the potential was there to learn and play any instrument good as I saw it. the steel guitar is one of my favorites, so i might have had some bias or just been asking you a question.
well maybe next PE we can get a band up...I seemed to be talking about this out there, as I can't seem to keep my mind on an ordinary PE!  lol....how do we do this anyway? I know it happens.

ok, talk soon, have to move out of NM...
see ya when I get back. alysia
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Reply #55 - May 23rd, 2006 at 8:02pm
 
Wish you a good travel and a nice new home Alysia!
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Reply #56 - May 23rd, 2006 at 8:06pm
 
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