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Apr 19th, 2006 at 2:06pm
 
Has anyone read this?

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The disappearance of the universe : straight talk about illusions, past lives, religion, sex, politics, and the miracles of forgiveness

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Reply #1 - Apr 20th, 2006 at 11:45am
 
I found an excerpt that some may find interesting:

http://pathwaysoflight.org/Merchant2/disappearancepopup.html

Maybe Dan Brown wasn't all wrong about JC being married...just depends on what kind of material you are willing to admit as evidence....
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Reply #2 - Apr 20th, 2006 at 11:50pm
 
thank u Lucy! ...

for turning me onto that book I treat u my dear to my alter ego "the bouncer."

I just ordered it after reading the exerpt you kindly provided. my, the authors language does suit me well (he used the term I don't give a rats a-ss to explain that he doesn't care if J was having sex or not..neither do I frankly!

yes, well, as you know I read ACIM for a full year. every line meditated on that sucker. was what the doctor ordered and here's someone just like me. haven't ordered any books for awhile as too busy trying to get mine all ship shape...nobody said writing a book takes your whole life...guess I'm impatient to start another.
you ask do I believe spirits appear and talk, to Gary the author ? yes, I do, but it's on an altered level of consciousness. you can be completely conscious of your physical surroundings, yet be observing a conversation going on in your mind and the answers to questions seem quite beyond your current experience, so I believe he works with these others, to help get the word out, and so far what I've read is where my present understanding is also.
I doubt if these spirits actually materialized, as that is a rare thing, but I don't know. I think the material is more important to focus on than to be ascertaining whether it was a nonphysical or a physical being who delivered it. there will come a day more and more of us will be able to pick up communications from behind the veil, as I think this could speed up evolution considerably and make this ol world a safer, friendlier habitat. love, alysia
thanks again, I have a dear friend needs to read some of this book.
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Reply #3 - Apr 21st, 2006 at 6:50pm
 
I thought of you when I saw the book; I know you studied ACIM. It is interesting that several other things have come out of ACIM.

Manifestation- yes that's probably true...visible only to him. I heard Elizabeth Kubler-Ross talk about having a visit from a patient who had passed over...got on the elevator with K-R one day and I think needed to discuss what was happening with her child (still in the phsyical). Even K-R was speechless. But she didn't say if anyone else saw the woman.

Seems like Renard's book is discussing things we talk about here. I'm on hold for a library copy...if I can wait that long.

Wow the bouncer never gets tired!
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Reply #4 - Apr 21st, 2006 at 8:01pm
 
Also manifestation does happen now and then. we have a forum member here, Vicky, who has a guide who said he is always with her, and he appeared to her as solid flesh in her hospital room during a crisis, not once, but several times. she thought he was an orderly and found out later, he didn't work there. he has not returned in flesh. she posted that story, its in the archives. Vicky is a very trustworthy person my extra senses say. I assume some of us can become aware of guides with us from the start. I think we all have them; nice to make contact. love, alysia
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Reply #5 - Jun 23rd, 2006 at 1:35pm
 
I finally got ahold of a copy of this book and it is very different to say the least.

Anyone else read it?
I haven't gotten to the part where they explain who created the universe, just to the part where they say it wasn't God.

Of course, that would sort of be a relief becase it never made sense to say God would create so much pain and suffering...

but it is challenging to reconcile this information with all the other esoteric type stuff I read.

Of course, some of it is stuff I consider self-evident, but I guess it has a wide audience so has to speak to many.
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Reply #6 - Jun 23rd, 2006 at 9:18pm
 
Hi Lucy. I'm on page 129. I like to read slowly, not to miss anything. yea, this planet is the planet of the ego I just read today. also I read that we separated our mind from the heaven area, and this caused a split in consciousness so that now we, as mind, had perception. in order to have perception to percieve something..there must now be created an object to perceive. to perceive is to live within limited consciousness. I'm just mulling it over. guess we can let god off the hook, eh?

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Reply #7 - Jun 27th, 2006 at 11:27am
 
The stuff about the ego was something I think I recall seth touching on much more briefly. It is always interesting to me when different sources say similar things.

Hard to understand the good is as much an illusion as the bad...hard to understand the illusion thing any way.


Jeez I want to talk about this stuff but I don't know what to say!!!!! Some of the stuff seems self-evident, some stuff brings a sense of relief, and some is gonna take years...

Conciousness is ....the domain of the ego."

But what's an ego? I must have read that too fast because I don't remember what he said.

As a kid even, I always felt alot of fear/guilt. I was always afraid of going upstairs alone in my grandparents' house especially after dark and it was that primitive type of fear. I heard the Bible story of the kid who heard God's voice calling to him (old testament...) and took it literally and i was afraid i would hear God's voice. I was terrified of God! maybe as kids we are closer to what is in our subconcious mind, because here is this book talking about how the real problem is that we are terrified of God because we feel guilty over separating.

Then the two teachers are talking (later) about how we are fearful of what's in our subconcious mind, and I think of what they are saying in terms of the Ayahuasca journey, which reveals demons etc. So maybe the ayahuasca is a useful path for some. I mean, I think the parallels are interesting.
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Reply #8 - Jun 27th, 2006 at 11:51am
 
Lucy, Ricardo has read it and probably hasn't seen this thread. You could pm him and I'm sure he'd be happy to discuss it with you.  I hope to order the book soon too since I'm hearing so much about it. Will have to wait til next month though. Wink

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Reply #9 - Jul 2nd, 2006 at 5:15pm
 
well this is evlving in to a mini-belief system crash, I guess, because of my brain trying to work in two directions at once to reconcile...or justify?...opposing beliefs, so I will be very pleased when you guys get this read! Wink

If the world just popped out in the big bang then why does it take so long to get back? and what's the point of doing anything else if it's all an illusion and all we need to do is get back to god?
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Reply #10 - Jul 2nd, 2006 at 5:46pm
 
Hi Lucy, I don't think the point is to get back. at least not personally for me. what I've been thinking on lately is the book is saying our true home is an abstract, non dual state of consciousness. such a mind state would have a nonduality type of viewpoint which means non conflicted (ego) within the mind which must always balance and measure reality as in a ceaseless judgment activity. if you or I didn't always have to be busy with measuring our good or our lack, it would be peaceful there as in a non competitive way.
so whats the point of having a life?  I think thats a personal question because everyone is right. I think it means its the value we give it as creators of it. essentially we're free will beings..free means freedom to do the mistakes also. in the non duality state it doesn't really matter whether you live in a body or out of one, I mean dimensions. both dimensions are there.
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Reply #11 - Jul 3rd, 2006 at 12:53am
 
SmileyHi Lucy and Alysia, I have to agree that we give up the ego when we leave this area of consciousness, I was just talking to Alysia earlier today about my parents crossed over,
they lost the ego as its physical awareness based, we no longer will need it when we leave the earth plane, just pure awareness of all that is, very little emotion at all. As you stated, free will is necessary in this learning environment to express the emotions, be they judged good or bad, no difference at all. Its hard to absorb that all is right, no one is wrong...see we have preset concepts built with our belief system so its hard to change...for me its gradual, if it gets too fast I want to shut down...can't deal with it but so fast...so I take it one day at a time, I feel a little different each morning when I get up...cause we are constantly changing our beliefs a little each day. Got to learn to acccept all that is, without judgement, thats what I am reading now in the book, around page 159 think...its hard to believe, have to back up and re-read some portions again to understand better, Alysia read ACIM which is quoted here again and again so it helps her to understand faster than I or maybe you.
The big bang is still going on and will for untold millions of years, in fact I read some one say that it will never go back to the beginning...just moving ourward and expanding constantly..but this is physical reality...we are basically spiritual beings and will leave the physical awareness when we pass over...no dieing...just give up the physical..We will exist regardless of what happens here in the physical. IMHO Both dimensions are there and will be.

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Reply #12 - Jul 3rd, 2006 at 2:03am
 
hi again. hang in Lucy. I think belief system crashes are in the final analysis something that makes u feel freer, like a load is taken off your chest. we could also look at crashes this way; that we will continue on having them ultimately until death and exit of the world we once knew, but personally each crash got less wearisome to bear up under and so I'm thinking thats the reward of doing them, that pain gets less and slowly joy replaces or balances with the grief of it all. like learning to walk a tightrope, u might fall into the net sometimes until the balance occurs from being willing to practice. u said your brain was going back and forth..thats the dual thing of our nature. I still do it now and then..I just forget. the evolution of consciousness as energy in motion appears to me like a pendulum, like it has a ball on it and it swings to and fro until gradually the ball meets in the middle until the next motion of thought begins it swinging to and fro again.
I've been considering all the possibilities of any situation developing. Cozzolino author of the Path calls this learning cognitive thinking. you get your priorities in order from this kind of thinking a little faster and leave conflict behind easier. u start asking a lot of questions which don't get answered quickly but they simmer and thats when I start dreaming the answers.
that very little emotion you speak of Rick..I get in those moods too, but I don't think it's entirely correct to turn the entire afterlife areas or focus levels into a non-emotional area..theres some very strong emotions can be felt out there and holding some very important messages within the emotions. I assume your parents are beyond what they experienced here in emotions and they are trying to communicate this to you as best they can, that they got over the hump. in that nonduality state I've had the emotions suspended for some automatic writing, its a calm place to be in, but I like to experience emotions like fun, humor, enjoyment, love and I wouldn't want to all the time be nonexpressive in that.

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Reply #13 - Jul 8th, 2006 at 9:43am
 
Renard makes a passing reference to someone named Joel Goldsmith. I don't remember hearing that name before, though I did hear of Infinite Way.

His stuff seems to predate some of the stuff Renard is discussiong.

http://www.seasidechurch.org/Rev__Dr__Christian/Books_Online/Joel_Goldsmith/body...

Like, the ideas of praying for your enemy in war is pretty intense, but if the Course is preaching giving forgiveness (to your enemies) it seems like the same stuff.

It's intereasting that the University of Chicago has a collection of his papers (& a short bio).
http://marklogic.lib.uchicago.edu:8002/view-ead.xqy?id=ICU.SPCL.GOLDSMITH&q=&c=g...

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Reply #14 - Jul 16th, 2006 at 7:38am
 
HAs anyone read any more lately? There's a part of the cosmology discussed that claims we created it all...we the ego that is....simultaneously, in the Big Bang, of course. So it starts sounding like things are predestined. This is making it hard for me to find motivation to do stuff. But the rest of the cosmology is compelling enough that it is hard to drop this part.
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