Yes, Happy Spirit Birthday RAM. Perhaps I'll visit you tonight.

With Love,
Mairlyn

Matthew, I've seen him a few times in the past few years. And Rosalind McKnight writes about her contact with him in her book Soul Journey.  An aspect of him is always availble for contact.

Love, Mairlyn

And yet a few years ago, his own daughter, Laurie, the President of TMI, repudiated claims that RAM is still manifesting hiimself to astral explorers.  Laurie made this claim at Bruce's Virginia workshop!   It is hard to believe that RAM can be contacted by outsiders and not by insiders at TMI.  This is an old controversy, but I want newbies to be aware of it because it calls into question the astral abiities of some on this site to contact the dead.  

A  serious contradiction calls into question Bruce Moen's claims of ongoing contact with RAM.  During one of these alleged contacts,  Bruce claims to learn of his status as a parallel incarnation of RAM.  But in "Ultimate Journey," RAM contradicts this and claims to have only one parallel incarnation---"a female one."   So I think all claims to have contacted RAM in the past few years are bogus.

Don

Hi--
I heard that very very few souls on earth are capable of being in 2 places at once, maybe only 3--4 incarnating in the same time period. One was the RCatholic monk/activist Thomas Merton, but he only did it while he was alone. It takes alot of concentration at first. Then his soul came right back after Merton's death and did it as a sherpa guide, another vocation that gave him the necessary solitude.
Its a developmental step for those who seek to become Oversouls, a further step for Earth. But some prefer to develope their higher faculties in other spheres.
I heard Monroe is one soul who can do this, but it makes sense that if now he's in his new incarnation, his life events may be too distracting for him at times to answer to every contact.
So it's not either...or, it could be a matter of timing.
bets

It is very telling that New Agers respond to the clear contradiction I pointed out between Moen and Monroe by simply reaffirming his doctrine of parallel incarnations and ignoring the contradiction that helps descredit this claim.  Since the New Age Ghetto predictably chooses to ignore the absurdities of many of RAM's OBE claims, I shall again repost them for the newbies' benefit.  

I'm willing to concede that RAM may have had some genuine OBEs.  But in an experiment conducted by Charles Tart, RAM's gift did not bear up very well under close scrutiny.  "His [RAM's] continuing description of what our home looked like and what my wife and I were doing was not good at all; he `perceived' too many people in the room, he `perceived' me doing things I did not do, and his description of the room itself was quite vague."  [See Tart's Introduction to "Journeys Out of the Body."]

In  his college days, RAM gained acclaim for a play he wrote.  It is his creativity as a playwrite that is on display in 3 of his obviously delusory past life experiences during supposed OBEs:

(a) a prior incarnation as a cave man pilot of a mentally controlled aircraft that is forced to dodge the spears of primitive hostile natives (UJ 157): The combination of prehistoric and modern technological motifs exposes the delusion here.

(b) an incarnation as a "vibrationist" from a "probably" non-human race whose members "have and use the ability to manipulate matter to suit whatever need through mental vibrational energy (UJ 158f.)  Sure!

(c) a prior incarnation as a novice Christian priest invited by his fellow priests to rape " a frightened young girl" who is tied down and spread-eagled for a kind of spiritual test for RAM: RAM asks us to believe that the girl is a prior incarnation of his wife, Nancy (UJ 154-56).  As corrupt as some in holy orders sometimes are, no Catholic order would formally invite a novitiate to rape a young girl!

RAM offers an earlier version of this memory in "Far Journeys," 115-16.  The 2 versions contradict each other in enough absurd ways to discredit this whole past life memory.  In both versions, a young girl is tied down on a church altar, but RAM is dissuaded from performing the nasty ritual by the deep expression in her eyes.  In the earlier version, his assigment is to kill her with several stabbings from a sword.  Supposedly, these stabbings will cause her "exquisite ecstasy."  In the later version, he must simply rape her.  In the earlier version, RAM is already a priest and is well aware of the deadly ritual he must perform.  In the later version, he is only a novice and has no advance inkling about the nature of the ritual.  In the earlier version, a mob will stone him to death if he backs out of the ritual.  In the later version, the ritual is just a test.  The other priests would stop him if he proceeded.  The earlier version has a fairy tale ending: a bright white ray melts the sword and severs the ropes that bind the girl.  In the later version, the white light simply signals the end of the vision of RAM'S past life.  Need I say more?

Equally absurd is RAM's alleged OBE encounter with an alien who emerges from a flying saucer looking like comedian, W. C. Fields.  this alien confesses that his species has come to earth not to do DNA experiments, but to collect jokes (UJ 48-50).  

Don

Yes Kathy, that's the way I look a these things too.

And therefore, Don, it's just you read those books differently than others, you look at it as if it is a report of a witness in the courtyard, or like one read scientific measured objective physical reports. But RAMs books are about his experiences, and obviously he had them in altered states of awareness, in other worlds, alternate realities or maybe in his imagination (who knows what imagination really is?). So your critics in my view fail to hit a target. And even you don't know what things ever had happened or will happen in different times and different places and realities. And, regarding the New Age mentality, I don't say this is true, that is not. I too had strange experiences in meditations. Should I throw them all away and take it as waste of time? Maybe I should, maybe not. In the end it's up to everybody to decide what's made up meaningless garbage and what's not. But the conception of the I/There or "disc", whether one finds contradictions or not, is not touched in it's theoretical possibility and it's resonance to some people like me.

Now ok, to set one on top: When I had my first trip to Focus27 (which of course you never know if you are really there or if it's a place at all or just a suggested mind-state) there was a narrow entrance to that locale. When I had gone through it, I perceived after a while a wooden hut over the fog which was below it. I moved into it and it was like a pub. There was a very friendly man behind the counter, like a barkeeper. His name was Bob. To that time, I wasn't familiar with RAMs shortened forename. His behaviour and style as well as his face matched with reports and photographs about/of RAM I read and saw after this meditation. I also saw this person on mind-journeys to the TMI There.
Now, what does that mean? I DON'T KNOW whom I met and if I really met one at all. I just don't know. That's all.

See what you want to see.

Spooky

Matthew, RAM's family and The Monroe Institute KNOW about all the contacts that are still on-going with RAM because of the different groups of people who have TMI related email groups. We all post our experiences, etc., in the group. Just a week ago, Frank DeMarco (Hampton Roads) posted his conversations with RAM. Bruce belongs to the group too. I don't expect Berserk to believe because he doesn't believe anything but I wanted you to know as I know that you trust and believe me.

With Love,
Mairlyn

It is so telling that when subjected to honest criticism, you New Agers simply ignore a devastating contradiction between Moen and Monroe and reinforce each other's mindless dogmatism.  In replies 9 and 13, I have exposed absurdities in RAM"s OBE and reincarnational claims that only the most narrow cultic mentality would embrace and no one even tries to defend RAM against his Humpty Dumpty level absurdities.  But then I'm dealing with people who see nothing wrong in grandiosely claiming to be St. Peter (Marilyn) or St. Paul (Hilarinon).  With no limits in your delusional mentality, it is no wonder that it would never occur to you to question the legitimacy of your astral impressions.  Collectively,  your naivite provides the best argument AGAINST belief in an afterlife.

Don

Marilyn,

I am simply trying to get you to address the obvious discrediting contradiction I pointed out between Moen and Monroe on parallel lives.  The silence of New Agers on this point is deafening!  Why do i even bother when people simply reply by transforming their own subjective impressions into iron-clad dogma?  Because of the honest seekers who thank me for exposing the site's cultic fundamentalism and thank me for it.

Don

I totally agree with you Alysia regarding Don and his girlfriend. But that's not proof for him so therefore he doesn't believe it.

I've read in many spiritual places to not push someone to believe anything. So I'm through with Don too. I rarely read his posts too because it doesn't do me or anyone any good to be brought down in vibration when we Lightworkers are already up there pretty high. So Don is on his path and we are are ours.

Love, Mairlyn

Hi PA/D.,
I very much like your post, yes, I have to say that. You know this when you read something and you're thinking: "Yes...yes...exactly...right.....", that's what I thought reading yours. I knew I would have become a little upset if I would have written on this as it seems never-ending dispute so I didn't but now I noticed maybe you became a little upset too, haha, yes I know that. Well, could it be when you're going to hell you would clean up there and open the windows to let some light in? That's how I see you anyway.
Cheers, Spooky

yes PA I do feel people's gratitude and thanks. and you express your thoughts and feelings in a total way and very well. I'm sure many people benefit from your communication, not just me. and if it helps any, what you go thru in your feeling way with people who do not believe the same as you, or me, or Mair, or Dave, or anybody here, is something I understand as well and you are not the first to express to me some sadness, some conflict here, some frustration. Not so long ago I made my goodbye speech from this forum and look at me, still cooking along..must be having fun eh? and I came to the same conclusion u stated above. that the discussion has been ongoing for years literally and leads to nowhere and cannot be resolved to be in agreement, and so talk to whom you resonate with, as for sure, we do not resonate with all people. but its important that we speak our truth when and where we wish so long as we don't force our truth onto another I think its good. exactly as you worded it, i couldn't say it better, that life if to each his own, and u can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.
and thanks to say for one day, I might have accomplished something good. it is words for my soul to drink in. love, alysia

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Don,

"Honest criticism"??  More like misleading mistatement of the facts, (see my previous response to you) personal attacks, and trying to use your mistatement of facts to stir up bogus controversy.  Frankly Don, I'm trying of your tendency toward intimidating, bully, name calling, personal attacks. 

"Devastating contradiction " ??? Don, just because you don't understand the facts surrounding your bogus "devastating contradiction" doesn't mean such a controversy actually exists anywhere but within your own beliefs.  Perhaps others see that, and see no reason to respond to yet another bullying, personal attack by Berserk?  Today I finally just got tired of it, lost patience with it and decided I would comment about my intense dislike for that bullying style of personal attack and name calling you are so fond of using.

"Mindless dogmatism"??  Exposed absurdities??  Don, maybe folks didn't respond to you because they also feel there's "mindless dogmatism" and "absurdities" involved in doing so?  May folks think it's not worth the time and trouble to respond to your name calling, bullying, self rightous, negative approach  toward them?

I for one am really getting tired of it.  I'd appreciate it if you would refrain from using your negative approach in the future.  Stop the name calling.  Stop the intimidation and bullying.  In other words, clean up your act or find another venue that will accept your posting style.  We're done accepting that style here. 

Bruce

Beserk:

The below is absolutely true. It is obvious that your dialouges come from a particular limiting belief system. This is how humans are. I'll admit that I have problems in this regard too.  The only thing I can say for certain is that I exist, I'm aware, I like love and happiness, and I want to all beings to be completely happy. Otherwise, there aren't too many things I'm 100% certain about. And I'm not talking about obvious relative things like 2 + 2 = 5. :)



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"Mindless dogmatism"??  Exposed absurdities??  Don, maybe folks didn't respond to you because they also feel there's "mindless dogmatism" and "absurdities" involved in doing so?  May folks think it's not worth the time and trouble to respond to your name calling, bullying, self rightous, negative approach  toward them?

Thank you Bruce for clarifying some things and for stating what you think about all this.

If I had written about this, I would have been accused of "linguistic fauxpas" (since I'm not a native English talker) or similar things ("cultic ignorance" etc.).

And recoverer, yes you too are one of them who could have said many things about those posts. I know, it is soo draining.

Last but not least, PA, yees, I think I felt something .

Spooky

Yes Bruce I want to say thank you for clarifying things; I feel that now maybe some newbies will join in here and not be afraid we are religious freaks and set in our ways and therefore they would not share with us what is going on in their own lives, and I am very interested to hear from newbies whatever country they come from. the time has come where religious misinterpretations are falling by the wayside; we may be watching it's death throes this minute and not even be fully aware of it. We will only keep the biblical verses which cannot be misinterpreted; such as tolerance, love for one another; perhaps these cannot be misinterpreted? well, probably they could!   over here and with others like Mair too, we are talking about that Bruce is on the board!
it is one happy day for us...again, Ram, Happy Birthday! love, alysia

Thank you Bruce. I feel more energy already.

Love, Carolyn

Don,

I have been a supporter of yours, despite your harsh personal remarks because I see a different side of you.  I too don't like any bullying comments, I don't like the term "new age ghetto," or lumping people on the site together as if they were a group of deluded college age hippies on an acid trip.  That being said, you have a keen intellect, you are exceptionally well read and you have an ability to glean the true meaning of many discussions and get to the heart of things.

Don, I also see in your posts, a yearning to cross the threshold that holds you back from exploring like Bruce, RAM, Swedenborg and Robert Bruce.  I agree with Alyssia.  I think there is a "new ager," yearning to break free.  Proof of this is readily seen in your posts; you say that when you leave this site, you plan to practice from a well written text on astral projection and use hemi-sync CDs.  The entire system of hemi-sync, and the gateway series is based on not just the technology, but the New Age system that you so readily criticize.  Astral projection is not that far from TMI.  Don't you find this ironic?  Yet you are coming from a regimented intellectual/academic background that functions as a belief system.  (I know it well being an academic physician).  I believe you have had more mystical experiences than most, but that to make the leap you are looking for, you will have to, like Robert Bruce break down your belief system and recreate it from scratch.  Only you can say if you would do this. 

You are a breath of fresh air in christian thought, as you are open to the idea of a truly spiritual christian, not tied to conventional Roman Catholic dogma or interpretation of the bible.  You have tied the heart of Jesus' teachings into what is thought of as new age thought, and left the door open for others to join you.  For this alone, your contributions to this board have been monumental.

Don, as a third party reading these postings, I must say that I don't think Bruce's feeling that he is part of the same disc as RAM is at all contradicted by RAM saying he had onlye one parallel incarnation as a woman.  These two people (Bruce and RAM) are insightful human beings giving you their best impressions of personal spiritual experiences.  As such, if let us say one were "wrong," it would not be a devastating contradiction.  Rather, it would be an impression that missed the mark.  As Dave so eloquently says on the board "BFD."  A disc member of a  higher self, as I understand it is not the same as a parallel incarnation.  I too have trouble with the idea that spirit can subdivide itself into different simultaneous personalities.  However, there is no right answer to this.  If we are all one with God, in a way, God  has divided his essence into a legion of individualities.  I can't pretend to understand that fully.

The loopy RAM stories that you cite have to be taken in context with his overall writings, teachings and experiences.  Why does he write of them if they sound crazy? Perhaps out of honesty, to show it all; good, bad or ugly.  The interpreter, as Bruce calls it, in RAM may have been off in those instances, but not in others.  I for one take those tales as personal experiences of RAM, and don't try to over-read anything into them.  All people are fallible be they Swedenborg, Robert Bruce, RAM or you and me. 

To sum up, Don, I hope you will not let the drubbing you are getting stop you from posting in the future.  Bruce's comments hurt because they were, to some extent right on the mark.  Why not swallow your pride, and admit that you might have been a bit bullying and heavy handed?  Why not continue a dialogue with myself and others here without the negative comments?  Your points would still be made; certainly you have the eloquence to do this.


Matthew

Don,

I guess it is also to be expected that your response would continue in your bullying and belittling, name-calling, discrediting, intimidating style.  Don, it's just not acceptable behavior.  If it doesn't stop soon you won't have to worry about leaving the site and never posting again, you'll be banned from this site.  I am sick and tired of visitors here being called names, belittled, bullied and discredited for expressing their beliefs and sharing their experiences. Do you even understand what I'm talking about?

>>  In his college days, RAM gained acclaim for a play he wrote.  It is his creativity as a playwright that is on display in 3 of his obviously delusory past life experiences during supposed OBEs:   <<

Don, that's not and "honest direct question, that's a name calling insult.  You don't believe Monroe's descriptions of his experiences, that's fine.  But to call him "obviously delusory" don't you see the difference between asking an "honest direct question" and calling Monroe delusionary?  Don that's a violation of the posting guidelines for these forums.  That's kind of thing that causes me to I get so many Peer Moderator complaints asking me to ban you from this site.  Don, your tendency when you don't agree with someone is resort to naming calling, discrediting and belittling attacks on anyone and every one.

>>  you and your graduates have not given me the courtesy of direct replies. <<

Don, people don't reply to you because they know that it will most likely lead to being verbally attack by you.  It's ironic you use the word "courtesy" here.  If you had used courtesy in your dealings with others here you'd have gotten far more replies.  As it is there are some here who have been willing to overlook your ill treatment of others, myself among them, because often there is value in what you have to say.  You are obviously an intelligent, well-read, deep thinker, but your people skills could use a little work.

>>  The credibility problem with RAM's reincarnation "memories" is much more serious and, once again, you conveniently ducked my critique.  So I feel compelled to repeat my critique.  <<

Duck your critique?  You call that a critique?   Don, this is not a critique, it is a belittling, naming-calling attack of Monroe's description of his experiences.

>> The combination of prehistoric and modern technological motifs exposes the delusion here.  <<

If you had said you didn't understand how could be possible for his description of his experience to be true, I might have a way to dialogue about that.  But instead your style is call Monroe delusional and extend your invitation for someone to argue you out of that position, all this posing as a "critique."

>>  RAM offers an earlier version of this memory in "Far Journeys," 115-16.  The 2 versions contradict each other in enough absurd ways to discredit this whole past life memory.  <<

Here you are calling Monroe a liar, name calling again in a blatant discrediting attack on the man.  Don, I don't care what you believe about the man, his credibility or lack of it, that's your business.  But your attack on him is a violation of the posting guidelines of these forums.  These forums are not venue for attacking and discrediting people for what they believe or share about their experiences.  These forums are a venue for folks to share their experiences, questions, ideas and suggestions, with courtesy.

>>  Equally absurd is RAM's alleged OBE encounter with an alien who emerges from a flying saucer looking like comedian, W. C. Fields. <<

So you believe Monroe's description of his experience is absurd I have no problem with that.  What I do have a problem with is that it is just another of your usual bullying, belittling attacks that violates the posting guidelines of these forums. Just because you don't see Monroe as having credible experiences does not give you the right to express that in style we have all become accustom to from you.

>>  MY COMMENTS: RAM is not alluding here to one parallel incarnation among others.  He discerns that there is only one other member of his "Higher Self" or soul Disk currently on earth.  That is the plain meaning of his statement.  <<

Don, that is your opinion of the "plain meaning" of what he's describing, it is not necessarily the only "plain meaning" of his statement, especially when you take into account what he wrote on the subject of I/There in his other materials.  I suppose someone with a lot of patience could go through everything else Monroe wrote on the subject and point out to you what else he had to say about the matter.  But why would anyone do that when they think your response to what they say will be just be in the form of another name-calling, belittling attack on them for not agreeing with you? 

Don, I've never found a way to learn the truth in these matters by trying to analyze what others write about them. No matter what any writer says about any topic I will ALWAYS find another writer who directly contradicts it.  I am left with trying to choose between various writers based on whatever criteria I chose to judge their credibility.  And these criteria are ALWAYS based on my present beliefs about what is credible and what is not. I never make any progress; I just end up trying to make sense of the mutually conflicting claims of various writers.  That is why I suggest the YOUR OWN DIRECT EXPERIENCE is the best course of action.  With it there is the possibility that I will be experience something that conflicts with my beliefs, and I am the only available 'authority' who can determine if it really happened.
 
>>  MY COMMENTS: I take this comment to exclude your status as a parallel incarnation from RAM's soul disk.  <<

That is your opinion based on your analysis of what Monroe had to say on the matter in these few words of one of his books.  Don, you are entitled to your opinion, I have no problem with that.  If you understood more of what Monroe had to say about I/There, maybe your opinion would change, maybe it would not.  What I do have a problem with is that you express your opinion in discrediting, personal attacks on others and me.  As I said before, this is not a venue for that.  If that's what you want to do why don't you create your own website, make up your own posting guidelines, and skewer me there to your heart's content?

>>  So what is the difference between a parallel incarnation and an incarnation of one's "I-There"?  <<

As an analogy, it is the difference between being a member of the same extended family, a cousin, an uncle, a fourth aunt twice removed, and being a clone of a member of the same family.  I/There can be thought of as one's 'family' with members simultaneously existing while living physically on earth, nonphysically, on other planets, within other dimensions, as I/There, etc.  My opinions about things are all explained in the books I've written.  Part of the reason I wrote these books is because I don't have the time in my life to re-explain everything I've experienced or discovered for every person who asks.

>> She rejected the notion of ongoing "contact" with her father. <<

Bob Monroe completely rejected the notion that his own wife, Nancy, could be contacted by anyone more than six moths after her death.  So what!  That was his belief to live by, not mine.   It turned out he was wrong, and it may it very hard for those of us in contact with Nancy talk to Bob about those contacts and pass along her messages to him.

>>  Any normal person would be concerned about this contradiction and you have no right to villefy me for posing it.  <<

Don I didn't villefy you for posting about what in your view is a contradiction, I objected to you violating posting guidelines by your way of attacking and attempting to discredit me with your choice of words.  You didn't just 'pose it' Don.  You turned it into a discrediting attack on me in your typical style. 

So, Laurie didn't believe it, so what.  That's her belief to live by, not mine.  If you want to believe that her beliefs prevent anyone from contacting her dad, that's your choice.  If you see a contraction between her beliefs and my experience that's fine, so what?  But, I see no reason that I should have to explain how or why her beliefs conflict with my experience to satisfy you or anybody else. My experience, good, bad, real, fantasy or whatever is my perception of my experience.  All I can do is share it, if someone chooses not to believe me I have no problem with that.  What I do have a problem with is being personally attacked, called names, belittled, etc. for sharing my experience.  If that's what you want to do, create your own website with your own posting rules and have at it.  Just don't do it here.

>>  I want to know if Laurie has not changed her mind, and if not, why not. <<

If that is what you want, contact her and ask her.

>> This question is particularly acute in view of the astral insights of Robert Bruce and Swedenborg that the deceased soon lose contact with their earth memories. <<

Like I said above Don, if you try to find the truth in the writings of others you get no where.  You will always be able to find another writer who will claim the deceased do not soon lose their earth memories.  Then you are right back to having to choose who is right and who is wrong based on what you presently believe instead of on your own direct experience.

In closing Don, if you can find a way to be courteous and stop your bullying, belittling, intimidating, discrediting and personal attacks on others in your posts here you are welcome to stay.  If not, your posting privileges will be revoked.

Bruce

Bruce said to Don..You are obviously an intelligent, well-read, deep thinker, but your people skills could use a little work.
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ah, thats about it in a nutshell Don. in your search, whatever, you don't seem to care who you step on to authenticate your beliefs and your sense of being powerful to "save" us from delusion. you alienate far more people than you befriend. Indeed, your purpose is not to be generous with others.
I have thought your true purpose here is to bring the forum down. Not only the forum but all new age thought because you believe we here are like a cult.
I have also thought you have negs hanging off you as you do so love to authenticate possession and the reality of demons.
We have stated here time and time again, which you conveniently ignore, that one attains one's own experience and then chooses their belief system. as I already pointed out, I am convinced you had an authentic obe and you chose to discredit your own experience as not worthwhile to study and gleam another path from it. I waste my breath giving energy of my thought to you as you do not read what we write and are trying to help you see we are not cultists and are not attacking you personally. yes, we are thinking "new" thoughts, but that does not mean we should be labeled, called various names, and you do pick and choose who you respond to, as I have been ignored by you numerous times..is why I ceased talking to you or reading you. I gave up.
I even gave up sharing my experiences here, even though it is something I love doing. It had become your board for sounding.

I know you like to play chess, see, I know how your mind works..you've turned this place into a chess game. and the more people who gather round to watch you play, the better you enjoy yourself. even now you are probably counting the number of views and congratulating yourself on how well you can stir us all up. I admit, it might be boring here without you, on the other hand, I think not. I think without you here, a lot of people would feel free to post their most mind blowing experiences which tells them they are more than they thought they were. we all need to tell our stories, and I've seldom heard any stories from you, other than the one you discredit as real.

maybe you are a part of our disc. maybe you are the one to cause us all to think about what it is we wish to create in this place, maybe thats why all of a sudden as one, we put our foot down, we say stop it Don, we've had enough of the same old, same old. for years, same thing..u never grow, you never change, you just make promises to do that. and I stopped waiting for you to express something real, something kind, something to give hope to a wanderer. but nope, all you can say is watch out for demons. thanks, I think we can handle it.

notice what Bruce says over and over and over. he does not ban you. he's giving a warning. you are in his living room, trashing the place. all he's saying is watch your lip, you are among polite company, like a snotty, hyper little kid with a genious mentality.

I've said way too much.    it's still the number one board for coming together with the like minded and the seekers, and it's a neat place that got created here by the likes of Rosalie, Bruce, Ram and I for one always send gratitude to these people as it gave me a place to talk and get my ideas in order. I've grown as a person here since 2001 and it wasn't accidental I found the place. So what Bruce says, I can understand that. he asked you make yourself a website. There, you can be the big shot you think you are. well, could you do it? would people read you?
maybe not. I just can't say. I think you just prefer to take someone else's website and park there, challenging people to a chess game because you know all the right moves.

whatever. what am I doing? I have a book to finish up, I can't be messing with you either. you won't answer me anyway because you can't hear us.

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Don, here is a nugget in your post that is thoughtful and worth sharing. The rest please I'd rather see on your own board. Maybe then you could post a link to it with your lectures, challenges, diatribes and heated debates. You could even have your own posting guidelines. I'm serious, I think you'd enjoy having your own forum, and many would come visit.

Love, Carolyn

                        All of us here, everyone of us are bona fide card carrying members of  "The  Club"   The "There is something more out there club" you may be a banker, lawyer, Actor, teacher, Minister, Doctor, author, afterlife explorer, healer, psychic, Medium, tarot reader , well you get the picture but we are all cut from  the same cloth., someplace inside of our Psyche is a nudging and we must seek out others that also share this searching for more. We want to rub elbows with others who are searching the same ,we want to  interact with each other, touch base with "Home" who we truly are,, some may come posed as skeptics some may come posed as a teacher of enlightenment but what they really are here for is to touch base with others from "Home" our true Home. .  There was a tv show here in the states called "Cheers" and the theme song was, You want to go where everyone knows your name .  In Other words you want to go where you can be understood , Some of you who are reading this may say to self , I dont post on there I just read  what has been posted, dont kid yourself you are a card carrying member too or you would not be reading the material posted., its not by accident that you stumbled upon a website such as this one. You know deep inside of you that you are much more than the vehicle you are residing in at the moment and there is more  than what  this three dimensional planet  offers.  For whatever reason you think  you are here, its because you want to belong to this club.  Linn

After reading T. Lobsang Ramp's series of 24 books, I thought that no one else could compare to his metaphysical experiences. That was back when I was in my 20's.  Another 20 years went by and I was suddenly introduced to Robert Monroe thru a Whitley Strieber book. Robert A Monroe (aka RAM) helped confirm what I already knew: there is no time, there is no death, there is an afterlife with many realms. He went way beyond any other literature and/or media regarding metaphysical travels. I myself have not met him---yet. I say "Hello, Bob" each time I hear his voice on a tape or CD. I can "feel" him smiling each time I try another adventure to "There".
Thank you, RAM, for all your encouragement, instruction and PUL. You are truely a highly evolved spirit.  Happy 11th Spirit Birthday.  Love your ident---CAT

To whom may concern,

'' If the only tool you have is a hammer,


you tend to see every problem as a nail."

                             ABRAHAM  MASLOW

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I really like this quote and thank you for posting it.

Ardallan, I love the quote too.

Blessings, Mairlyn

Someday you'll understand.

Namaste (the God in me recognizes the God in you)
Mairlyn

Berserk---
You must be a student of James Randi.  Read:
An Encyclopedia fo Claims, Frauds, and Hoaxes of the Occult and Supernatural by James Randi--AKA- The Amazing Randi.
It's good to have skeptics.  It helps the rest of us to continue to do our research and not get slack in the area of parapsychology and spirit.  You're a keeper!!! Thanks for all the interesting research. It keeps me on my "toes".  Love and Light ---Carol Ann

yes, i will hopefully.


it is gonna be really funny if my god happens to salute you with all those bearish attidues, dont you think? (..something to really fake a smile?)

Pa--- I have two wonderful books on animal tokems--:
by Ted Andrews:Animal Speak and The Animal-Speak Workbook.  If you would like me to send you the explaination of the bear (or butterfly), I would be happy to do so. 
To all--- that goes for everyone one on Bruce's site. Love and Light--- Cat (Carol Ann)