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Reply #30 - Mar 3rd, 2006 at 9:48am
 
Very well said. This is not a place for battles.

Also, i am not handling any battles, shall I explain again that this is a conversation board not a confrontation board.?

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Reply #31 - Mar 3rd, 2006 at 10:09am
 
Being enlightened wasn't implieing I was above the rest. Where are you getting this stuff from? Again your taking this all out of context..  You need to calm down, and see things for what they are. Time to move on.
As for your need for proof, proove it to yourself through yourself like most of us did. There is always someone here that is willing to help you. Just ask.
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Reply #32 - Mar 3rd, 2006 at 10:27am
 
You get evidence by doing. By journaling, by trying different techniaques and giving them time to work. Analyzing yourself. If you need proof maybe you should investigate hauntings then, see the actual evidence. Best of luck to you in achieving your goals.

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Reply #33 - Mar 3rd, 2006 at 1:55pm
 
Looks like I'm going to have to go in here for a retrieval myself now.  Stop it!  Matt and Craig:  You can PM each other till you are blue in the face, but you both should voluntarily remove your back and forth posts.  They have nothing to do with this thread or retrievals.  I tried posting my own response and it got buried in there. 

I am not taking sides, though I know Craig's heart is in the right place for this forum overall, despite the skepticism.  I just don't know Matt yet.  But please, it would make Don's original thread much more interesting if you guys just removed the last two pages. 

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Reply #34 - Mar 3rd, 2006 at 2:12pm
 
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Looks like I'm going to have to go in here for a retrieval myself now.  Stop it!  Matt and Craig:  You can PM each other till you are blue in the face, but you both should voluntarily remove your back and forth posts.  They have nothing to do with this thread or retrievals.  I tried posting my own response and it got buried in there.  

I am not taking sides, though I know Craig's heart is in the right place for this forum overall, despite the skepticism.  I just don't know Matt yet.  But please, it would make Don's original thread much more interesting if you guys just removed the last two pages.  

Matthew


Well since it's you matt....

Aslong as im not attacked, i have no reason for further aggro.

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Reply #35 - Mar 3rd, 2006 at 2:37pm
 
Thanks, Craig, we'll see if Matt will get the thread back on track.   I always liked your Doberman logo with the ears up.  I can understand why, if the attacks continue, you won't let go.  Honestly, I'm not sure what is so good about these back and forth ventings.  Even the most scholarly people like Don, get into it at some points. 

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Reply #36 - Mar 3rd, 2006 at 2:40pm
 
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Looks like I'm going to have to go in here for a retrieval myself now.  Stop it!  Matt and Craig:  You can PM each other till you are blue in the face, but you both should voluntarily remove your back and forth posts.  They have nothing to do with this thread or retrievals.  I tried posting my own response and it got buried in there.  

I am not taking sides, though I know Craig's heart is in the right place for this forum overall, despite the skepticism.  I just don't know Matt yet.  But please, it would make Don's original thread much more interesting if you guys just removed the last two pages.  

Matthew


Yeah ok, you are right. Sorry Matthew.
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Reply #37 - Mar 3rd, 2006 at 3:05pm
 
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Thanks, Craig, we'll see if Matt will get the thread back on track.   I always liked your Doberman logo with the ears up.  I can understand why, if the attacks continue, you won't let go.  Honestly, I'm not sure what is so good about these back and forth ventings.  Even the most scholarly people like Don, get into it at some points.  

Best to you friend,


Matthew


I think i told you before, about the doberman - but it was actually a german pinscher, a very old breed dating back to as early as the 1500's,- which is the loyalist dog i have ever owned, it's around 19 inch's in height. While the doberman was being bred around 1860, in 1900 it was thought the doberman need a greater guarding instinct, so they bred it with the german pinscher - thus creating -The doberman pinscher-  we know today, but while it's bigger and used more in security work, it does'nt have the same intelligence, or the same unwavering guard traits as the original pinscher.

German Pinscher
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Doberman pinscher
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Hope your well matt,

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Reply #38 - Apr 26th, 2006 at 7:16pm
 
Just to put my 2 cents in...

I happened upon my near OBE by shear accident. It was what got me into researching further into what had actually happened to me that day... To me it's like the child reporting a NDE/the light phenomenon without having any preconceived notions of what to expect or report.

I was lying in my bed relaxing every muscle of my body, due to a back injury... I was so focused on relaxation/clearing my thoughts that I began noticing my heart beating uncontrollably... It's not like I was doing jumping jacks, or climbing stairs, or taking ephedrine, I was completely relaxed and stress free. This was surprising to me... I had never heard of/experienced this before. After what seemed to be about 2 min. of this rapid heart beat, my body began vibrating uncontrollably. That's when I felt a "whispy" sensation inside of my physical body... It felt like a soft bedsheet separating/slipping out from the confines of my physical body. That startled me immensly, even though it felt so gentle and comforting... Because I got so startled, it pulled me out of it. I've had dreams before, and I can assure you, this was NO dream... I wasn't even tired when it happened... No where near dreaming/sleeping. It was as real to me as if someone had slapped me in the face and said, "Did that feel like a dream to you?"

After this experience, I began hearnestly searching for anything I could find that would help to explain this away, because I knew of the immense implications of this experience concerning all fascets of life. Again, to reiterate, I had NO preconceived notions of these types of experiences before.

Maybe, and this is IMHO, people have OBE at the point at which they are willing enough/open enough, in conjuction to when they're psyche is stable enough as to not lose touch with they're immediate reality/identity during their normal waking state... So as to say, they are still capable of efficiently functioning in their familiar/immediate surroundings. Moreover, these types of "otherworldy" experiences can play havoc on the mind of someone who is not ready enough (for many reasons) to experience them... They may feel "ready", but their higher guidance may know that they are in fact, not. It's not to say that some are better than others, or that they are somehow "godlier" than others, it's to say that, things happen to different people, at different times, for different reasons... Again, MHO. (These types of experiences are definitely not something to be taken lightly.) -- ...Many ramifications...

Cosmic_Ambitions

P.S. Some immediate confirmation that I received after my experience was when talking with a co-worker in regards to OBE's... He told me a story of when he was a teenager and rolled his car down an embankment, after which he reported hovering above the scene and watching the car do somersaults down the hill; At which point he distinctly heard, telepathically, his grandfather's voice instructing him to get back into his physical body...

"If a thousand people report seeing a meteor shower in the sky... there had to have been something." ???
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Reply #39 - Apr 26th, 2006 at 8:49pm
 
To all:

If you have not already found it, I would like to recommend this site, as a way to open awareness to anyone whom it may benefit:

http://nderf.org/

Again...

"If a thousand people report seeing a meteor shower in the sky... there had to have been something."

PUL,
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