A Christian told me that mediums are the work of Satan and when they contact the dead it is really demons and they will end up in Hell.

This has upset me as my mum recently recieved very good news about my late grandad from a medium :(

Hi jdee190,
would a demon give messages of love, hope and  forgiveness ? I suppose there are those who might say a demon could say such things but I refer them to Jesus's response when he was accused of being in league with the Devil-  'And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand' Matthew 12:25.To paraphrase - you don't serve evil by demonstrating love.

Hi Jdee,

If you asked the Christian why a demon would impersonate "dead" relatives they wouldn't be able to answer. Other than the bible says so, which will be a misinterpretation no doubt.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/We-Dont-Die-Andersons-Conversations/dp/0425114511/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1321647632&sr=1-1

Here is a book which you might find interesting. He's a medium who is also catholic and in his younger years the catholic school tried to get him sectioned due to his ability.

I had Jehovas knock on my door not long after my son had passed and they said that they believe that there will be a resurrection one day, Alien resurrection? It's not as good as the first 2 films  ;).

Ignore the Christian and their frankly disgusting comments to you and your mother.

Long time no speak Jdee.
Andy

Thanks! Even reading the reviews helped.

Im a church going Catholic but with a free thinking mind. I dont believe what the Church teaches because my Grandad was an atheist and I believe is in heaven.

My mum is a very good Catholic, more 'devout' than me if you say, but she has went to mediums and received VERY accurate readings about my grandad!

So this George Anderson is a Catholic medium who believes in a spirit realm?

I doubt that that Christian looked into the matter with any real depth.

I believe it is important to be careful about unfriendly spirits. But this doesn't mean that there aren't any friendly spirits and that they don't communicate with people.

Jdee,

"So this George Anderson is a Catholic medium who believes in a spirit realm?"

If you like, yes.

The book I posted has all you need to know about how it all started as well as his struggle dealing with it in his early years, it also covers what sceptics have to say as well as what they have tested biologically on him to see what's different about him than the rest of us.

It's his first book, he has others too, I have not read them yet but I would highly recommend this one first as it covers all angles like, religion, science etc.

He has his own site too, his readings are expensive but he gets that much interest he has his own team of staff who need paying for full time work dealing with this interest. So I can understand that, I'm thinking of having a reading with him one day but I have other things that need paying off first  ::).

Andy

http://www.georgeanderson.com/

I forgot to post the link to his site so here you go, he has a facebook page too which he actually updates himself.

I'm not on facebook though as I can't stand it but I have seen it on a google search.

1 John 4:1-6

As unnecessary as these verses may sound on a superficial worldly level, they do have merit.

Test it out even on the spirits of living people. Try it on some of those "humanitarians" who carry an air of being elevated human beings and who use all the buzz words - equality, diversity, compassion, etc, and who condemn racism, sexism, thisism, thatism. You might see some interesting reactions and revealing answers.  

Thanks everyone. As always great people with great help!

Jdee,

You can ask George questions on his facebook page.

Why not join it and ask him about what the Christian said, see what he thinks, you've not got anything to lose really.

Andy

Im thinking about buying his book, it sounds great!

Have you read it Andy? What were his views on religion if you have read it?

Cheers

jdee190 wrote on Nov 18^th, 2011 at 3:13pm:

A Christian told me that mediums are the work of Satan and when they contact the dead it is really demons and they will end up in Hell. This has upset me as my mum recently recieved very good news about my late grandad from a medium :(

Hello, dear wonderful friend! Please do not worry at what this particular person has told you! Almost everyone, whether they realize it or not, receives thoughts and messages from deceased loved ones - and it's not the work of the devil! There is nothing wrong with communicating with the deceased through mediums. It is a perfectly healthy and safe way to connect with people who have passed on.

I have spent a very long time reading afterlife evidence, and I can personally assure you that your grandfather is doing fine over there - in fact he is better than ever!  ;D The afterlife is a truly wondrous place.

Trust me, dear friend, anyone sending you a message of love and forgiveness is most assuredly the person you think they are, not some negative being.

I truly hope this helps!

Hi Jdee,

Yes I have read the book that I posted, I still have it, I wasn't very clear with one of my posts I meant that I hadn't read his others yet lol.

Tbh mate, I didn't really take in the religion part of it as I don't really have an interest in religion, but he still classes himself as a Catholic so he obviously still believes in it. Him being a Catholic does play a big part in his book as his ability goes against what the nuns at his school believed. This is the reason why I mentioned it to you.

Andy

Thanks, on his facebook he celebrates Christian events (Easter, Christmas) but also Hanukkah which is a Jewish event.

Although he is a Catholic, he must not believe it has a bearing on what happens when you die?

As i have stressed before I am Catholic but believe my atheist grandad is in Heaven.

I think the belief thing only applies to how strong your beliefs are. For example, if someone was a fundamental atheist then when they die he would not believe that he is dead and would not go to heaven by choice.

On the other hand a fundamental Christian might think that they will have to be saved by God so when they die they will wait around for that to happen.

Being an atheist or a christian doesn't mean that you don't believe in an afterlife or only believe what the bible or the church states about an afterlife, you could well be open to other things too.

Your granddad probably is in heaven, him being an atheist shouldn't have a bearing on that. Afterall atheism is just a lack of belief in God, some do believe in an afterlife and even if they don't it doesn't necessarily mean that they won't get there when the time comes.

This is just my take on it but I do know it's definitely not as simple as some people make it out to be  ::).

Andy

Eternity For All Radio wrote on Nov 19^th, 2011 at 3:52pm:

jdee190 wrote on Nov 18th, 2011 at 3:13pm: A Christian told me that mediums are the work of Satan and when they contact the dead it is really demons and they will end up in Hell. This has upset me as my mum recently recieved very good news about my late grandad from a medium :( Hello, dear wonderful friend! Please do not worry at what this particular person has told you! Almost everyone, whether they realize it or not, receives thoughts and messages from deceased loved ones - and it's not the work of the devil! There is nothing wrong with communicating with the deceased through mediums. It is a perfectly healthy and safe way to connect with people who have passed on. I have spent a very long time reading afterlife evidence, and I can personally assure you that your grandfather is doing fine over there - in fact he is better than ever!  ;D The afterlife is a truly wondrous place. Trust me, dear friend, anyone sending you a message of love and forgiveness is most assuredly the person you think they are, not some negative being. I truly hope this helps!

Thugs, robbers and rapists who enjoy inflicting trouble on others prefer to approach their target by feigning good intentions so they can get within striking range. Pilferers, thieves, manipulators, false pursuaders, invaders of every sort, arsonists, and every sort of deceiver does much the same. They show their best side on first approach. Many people barely even know their own intentions. They present well, show friendliness, even friendship, reassurance, assure they can be trusted, display love, forgiveness, kindness, and good and helpful motive, to hide intent that is self interested. They even hide and deny their self interest from themselves. Rare are those who portray themselves as they are. And after death people are much the same as when they were alive. 

I was at mass today, and the gospel message was about the second coming, and how the true believers will be saved and go to eternal heaven, while all the others will go to eternal fire with satan!

What is that all about?

"true believers will be saved and go to eternal heaven, while all the others will go to eternal fire with satan!"

What is a true believer and what are all of the others?

It's far too vague to be of any use to anybody.

So a child murdering rapist gets eternal heaven as long as he is a true believer but a good person who does the right thing gets eternal hell with satan if they aren't a true believer.

It makes more sense to me if it means one who lives by the ways of Christ is saved  (the good) and those who don't (murderers) don't. However I think eternal fire with satan is a metaphor rather than what it says on the tin.

All in all, you can take it how you want to take it I suppose.

I highly doubt that whatever you choose to believe in in this life has anything to do with living by the way of Christ or not . An Atheist can very well be a better person than the average Muslim and vice versa.

Andy

jdee,
"What is that all about?"

Pretty straightforward belief: If you're not a true believer, you'll sizzle in hell with satan lol'ing in unholy surround sound, for days upon days.

Yet you question that. So, what's up, in your opinion?

Because it doesnt agree with my true feelings and makes God look evil

Im going to order that george anderson book, it will help me im sure!

Any other good books that will relieve my worry and fear?

It refers to the eternal ongoingness of the law of consequence (karma for those who like foriegn words). For as long as you do good, the returns are good; for as long as you do evil, the returns are evil. The law of consequence is eternal, as is the law of accordance, that is what returns to us accords with what we sent out. 

These personifications and symbolic representations (satan, eternal burning hell, old man God sitting on a cloud, etc) aided humanity in grasping concepts. Abstract concepts need to be concretised and symbolised when they are introduced. Nowadays people don't like the old biblical and Christian depictions because people feel too clever for them but they are still helpful as stark contrasting depictions. Nothing clarifies like contrast. Like Santa Clause depicts and teaches good will to children, so too the old religious depictions teach the laws of life.

'Thugs, robbers and rapists who enjoy inflicting trouble on others prefer to approach their target by feigning good intentions so they can get within striking range. Pilferers, thieves, manipulators, false pursuaders, invaders of every sort, arsonists, and every sort of deceiver does much the same. They show their best side on first approach. Many people barely even know their own intentions. They present well, show friendliness, even friendship, reassurance, assure they can be trusted, display love, forgiveness, kindness, and good and helpful motive, to hide intent that is self interested.' ... my Crossbow you move in some interesting circles not sure I ever want to trust anyone ever again !

These personifications and symbolic representations (satan, eternal burning hell, old man God sitting on a cloud, etc) aided humanity in grasping concepts. Abstract concepts need to be concretised and symbolised when they are introduced. Nowadays people don't like the old biblical and Christian depictions because people feel too clever for them but they are still helpful as stark contrasting depictions. Nothing clarifies like contrast. Like Santa Clause depicts and teaches good will to children, so too the old religious depictions teach the laws of life'. Yes and the reason we have outgrown these concepts is because history has shown us that they give consistently poor results for humankind !

Heisenberg69 said: "Yes and the reason we have outgrown these concepts is because history has shown us that they give consistently poor results for humankind !"

Yes Heisenberg, I agree it looks that way from here. But there are higher vantage points and they reveal a wider view.

jdee190 wrote on Nov 20^th, 2011 at 3:44pm:

Im going to order that george anderson book, it will help me im sure! Any other good books that will relieve my worry and fear?

jdee,
Look at John Edward, a well-known psychic medium, who is also a devout catholic. His book "One more Time" talks about his faith and his psychic life. I can't vouch for his abilities, but I did enjoy the book. Let us know what you think after you read these books.

Crossbow,
"Thugs, robbers and rapists who enjoy inflicting trouble on others prefer to approach their target by feigning good intentions so they can get within striking range."

If the others were trained to turn the other cheek, the thugs would have their carte blanches.

Bardo wrote on Nov 21^st, 2011 at 2:13pm:

jdee190 wrote on Nov 20th, 2011 at 3:44pm: Im going to order that george anderson book, it will help me im sure! Any other good books that will relieve my worry and fear? jdee, Look at John Edward, a well-known psychic medium, who is also a devout catholic. His book "One more Time" talks about his faith and his psychic life. I can't vouch for his abilities, but I did enjoy the book. Let us know what you think after you read these books.

  My sense is that he is the real deal.  I can tell especially by his eyes.  But this is subjective, and i haven't ever had a reading from him.   His astrological chart shows some definite psychic markers, as do most of the "real deals" that i've come across who have exceptional abilities in these areas. 

    Especially prominent Neptune, Uranus, Jupiter, and to a lesser extent Pluto and/or Moon combinations, along with sign indications of especially Pisces ad/or Aquarius, and to a lesser extent Scorpio, Sagittarius, Cancer and Capricorn.  But, sign indications ultimately seem less indicative than the Planetary ones, on average.

  These only represent probable tendencies though, use of one's will can change much of these, and i imagine that there are probably some people out there with minimally "psychic" charts who have become more than average, through focused use of the will to change their probable patterns and indications as outlined by their charts or other such indicative systems like numerology, etc.

  Speaking of numerology, the numbers of 7 and 9 especially indicate potential for or probable great sensitivity, and to a lesser extent 2, 3, and 8, and of course the so called 'master number' 11.  10 can indicate great awareness in general, which can go well beyond typical psychism, bordering more on complete attunement to ones greater self level, which in astrology is related to the Sun and to Arcturus especially--probable should have added the latter up on the astro part above.

crossbow wrote on Nov 21^st, 2011 at 8:04am:

Heisenberg69 said: "Yes and the reason we have outgrown these concepts is because history has shown us that they give consistently poor results for humankind !" Yes Heisenberg, I agree it looks that way from here. But there are higher vantage points and they reveal a wider view.

Agreed, there are certainly higher vantage points than the one I currently possess ....

;)

I ordered We Don't Die, hopefully it will help.

Where did the concept of eternal hell come from and why did the Church teach it?

Even the text 'Apocalypse of Peter' teaches a terrible hell where the damned will suffer forever.

And was Peter not one of Jesus top disciples?

Volu wrote on Nov 21^st, 2011 at 2:19pm:

Crossbow, "Thugs, robbers and rapists who enjoy inflicting trouble on others prefer to approach their target by feigning good intentions so they can get within striking range." If the others were trained to turn the other cheek, the thugs would have their carte blanches.

Yes Volu, I expect that would be true. And we wouldn't want that. 

As you know, I am Christian, but I do not live by a code of turning the other cheek. I try to select my battles according to cause and the possibility of benefit. (by cause I mean objective/reason/motive) I try not to conflict against the man but against the idea. Of course the man and his idea are together so he has to be a target, but in our mind and heart we should discriminate between the two. That enables us to play the game as fairly as the situation allows.

Conflict is a fascinating subject isn't it?    

Cheers for the recommendation Andy, ive read 200 pages already.

There is no doubt George Anderson is genuine, but I still have doubts whether it is really loved ones speaking, or it is satan or demons. Really frustrating as it is a great book :(

Surelh it cant be demons as all the messages are loving, and there are messages such as keep praying the Rosary etc??

Crossbow,
"Conflict is a fascinating subject isn't it?"

I find that it is because I see/hear about it and/or deal with it in some form or another almost every day. Like you said about the ball and the man, the idea and the one holding the thought; discriminating and playing fairly are decent thoughts. When that isn't the case it's fascinating to learn and know about dealing with that without becoming a doormat nor going overboard. Some kind of balance, depending on the situation it seems like. Loving or accepting everything doesn't feel right nor quite compute.

Hi Jdee,

I'm glad you like the book and it certainly does look like he's genuine.

As for demons and satan, what you have to ask yourself is why would they pretend to be peoples dead relatives whilst giving messages of hope and love?

It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever, but I'm not in the same position as you as I have never been religious so have not spent any time in church, I'm not aware of what they teach.

I can imagine it being hard to let go of old beliefs, especially if they have been burned into your memory from a young age. This is not to say following any religion is the wrong thing to do, it's not but an open mind is a valuable requirement for everybody.

Some time ago I came across a site with a paranormal section, I noticed a bunch of people whose views were "it doesn't exist" "believers are mentally ill" "blah blah blah".

These people claimed to be scientific minded  ::). They're not, far from it infact as they are holding onto they're own beliefs like their lives depend on it. I like to see how peoples minds work, I have for as long as I can remember. It's difficult to do over the internet mind, but after questioning these people I came to the conclusion that they had dedicated their lives to studying the current scientific view and came to their own conclusion that that's all it's about.

Anything that challenges their viewpoint is viciously attacked by them as they for some reason don't want things to change from how they are. It reminds me of religion and some of it's followers. Although they believe in different things psychologically they're the same sort of people.

I'm speaking of pseudoskeptics.

I read a quote the other day from a true skeptic site, which is what I consider myself to be.

"The most productive mindset you can have is simply this: always, always, always have a belief system that doesn’t resist change. Go wherever the information leads you, without fear, because surely the truth is never something to dread."

Also the site it is from may be of interest to you.

http://www.debunkingskeptics.com/characteristics.php

I hope this helps you out Jdee.

Andy

The reason the Church claims it is demons is because it turns people away from Jesus.

But people say this is a fabrication of the Church, to control people and not let them have direct contact with God. Mediums etc diminish the Church's power and during the inquisition the Church burned mediums and the like at the stake, of course they made a big mistake by killing a Saint, Joan of Ark.

Yes I was raised Catholic and made to go to mass on a Sunday, but I was never brainwashed by my family, they are just all normal folk.

Its my own fault this mess im in, I basically brainwashed myself about 8 months ago by reading into religion online.

Before it all happened I never thought about death or worried about religion, I was just a normal teen.

Cheers

Jdee,

I wasn't trying to say your family brainwashed you  :).

The link to the skeptic site has a section about christianity, take a look at it it might help you out. It talks about the contradictions and other stuff that I don't understand  :D.

Andy

Volu wrote on Nov 28^th, 2011 at 3:24pm:

Crossbow, "Conflict is a fascinating subject isn't it?" I find that it is because I see/hear about it and/or deal with it in some form or another almost every day. Like you said about the ball and the man, the idea and the one holding the thought; discriminating and playing fairly are decent thoughts. When that isn't the case it's fascinating to learn and know about dealing with that without becoming a doormat nor going overboard. Some kind of balance, depending on the situation it seems like. Loving or accepting everything doesn't feel right nor quite compute.

We can accept and love conflict. See it as an opportunity to learn and grow, to exercise qualities and virtues such as fairness, leniency, mercy, strength, courage, restraint, discernment, to know our cause, identify benefits, to exercise force with love, love our enemy, test our resolve, put others and our cause above our self, overcome our weaknesses, etc, and all while under pressure. Is easier said than done of course, but recognising conflict's opportunities and payoffs does make it more interesting, takes the dread out of it and makes life a serious sort of game. Conflict is life. The conflict we see is life accelerating to a speed where its innate ever existent conflict becomes noticeable. Conflict is there anyway, in life, its just to slow, small or large to perceive by normal sight. Buts that's probably not strictly for this thread - although Jdee is displaying internal conflict of ideas. That's progress, learning, acceleration of life. 

Andy B wrote on Nov 30^th, 2011 at 3:45pm:

Jdee, I wasn't trying to say your family brainwashed you  :). The link to the skeptic site has a section about christianity, take a look at it it might help you out. It talks about the contradictions and other stuff that I don't understand  :D. Andy

I didnt interpret in that way anyway Andy!

Ive finished reading We Dont Die.

Crossbow, come to think of it, conflicts exist where there's (some kind of) lack of balance. Note to my smaller self: remember that one.

I agree with most of your points, though exercising the right amount of force in a given situation doesn't have to involve love. An understanding that one can get into victim or victimizer territory unless cautious will do just fine - which also signifies too little or too much force applied, and thus the remedy. I see putting others above our selves as the same deal as as putting our selves above others.

Volu wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2011 at 3:22pm:

Crossbow, come to think of it, conflicts exist where there's (some kind of) lack of balance. Note to my smaller self: remember that one. I agree with most of your points, though exercising the right amount of force in a given situation doesn't have to involve love. An understanding that one can get into victim or victimizer territory unless cautious will do just fine - which also signifies too little or too much force applied, and thus the remedy. I see putting others above our selves as the same deal as as putting our selves above others.

I like your reasoning Volu.

Yes, balance is stationary. It eventually falls over anyway and just lays there. We don't want to fall for that "seeking balance" business or we'll be sitting on our bottoms most of our life like hippies, getting nothing done and learning very little.

Imbalance is motion and progress. That is how we stand and walk; adjusting and directing our imbalance. Life is about managing imbalance. 

By definition, leniency is force combined with love; is right use of force. Leniency includes mercy. Mercy is the cessation of force when it is no longer required. These are two of a hundred definitions I learnt at "definition school"  ;) a sort of out of body college.

When force is required to be exercised it should be exercised with love - that is best. That will keep the force right and appropriate, will make it rise to the occasion - and be the best that it can be. Love is the leavening agent.

As example: If our own brother whom we love were to go crazy and attack us in a wild fit of rage, we would have to fight him. If he were to try to kill us, we would have to fight him drastically, perhaps we would have to injure him to disable him and lay him down. And then we would help him recover and get him treated for his craziness. But all the time we fought him we loved him, regardless of his craziness and his trying to kill us. Our love for him prevented us from doing more harm to him than was required to stop him. This is love and force combined. Force is lenient and merciful when it loves. If we remember our love for others, then when we conflict and use force we will do so fairly.

These things are easier said than done, of course; and they are not my teachings. I learnt these things attending classes out of body. I just try to live up to them (I don't do very well) and pass a few of them on. They are interesting aren't they?   

"Yes, balance is stationary. It eventually falls over anyway and just lays there. We don't want to fall for that 'seeking balance' business or we'll be sitting on our bottoms most of our life like hippies, getting nothing done and learning very little."

Do hippies talk about love on both their in and out breaths, Crossbow? ;) I figure some hippies would figure balance is passive, but it does seem to be constantly moving by potentially addressing the polarities with their too much and too little, too soft and too hard and so on. New situations, new challenges, new imbalances to address, balance and keep in balance. Not exactly cozy time for the 'ol bum/ass.

I can't speak for us, you can't speak for me, so I won't join the group of 'we don't want to' btw.

"Imbalance is motion and progress. That is how we stand and walk; adjusting and directing our imbalance. Life is about managing imbalance."

Walking, that's one act of being in and keeping the balance. Managing imbalance, agreed.

"If we remember our love for others, then when we conflict and use force we will do so fairly."

It's a great softener, love, but doesn't work on every pair of dirty socks. Fair meets unfair - Leave, and unfair is gone. Bend over, and err.. too fair with unfair. Unfair, instant balance. Love, unfair gets fair. Love, unfair gets very unfair though the fairytale said love conquered everything.

I talked with a friend yesterday about her relationship with a guy and she told me her love for him has made it difficult to do what she thinks is right. Sinks right into the service to others concept, where the flip side is service to self. A polarized concept. A little of both, without the service/obligation part, goes a long way.

"These things are easier said than done, of course; and they are not my teachings. I learnt these things attending classes out of body. I just try to live up to them (I don't do very well) and pass a few of them on. They are interesting aren't they?"

They are while a little on the light 'n bright side. You do seem like a reflected fellow with interesting experiences, so it has been fun to read your responses and other posts.

Volu wrote: "It's a great softener, love, but doesn't work on every pair of dirty socks. (he he he) Fair meets unfair - Leave, and unfair is gone. Bend over, and err.. too fair with unfair. Unfair, instant balance. Love, unfair gets fair. Love, unfair gets very unfair though the fairytale said love conquered everything."


Volu, the love I speak of is not soft or in any way weak. It can hold its own against unfairness. Love doesn't neglect doing what must be done; it deals with situations as they require to be dealt with.

And fairness is not a pushover either. Fairness is appropriateness; is an appropriate response. Not too much and not too little, but juuust right. Fairness does what is required. Fairness considers the other, is respectful, demonstrates leniency and mercy, but still does what must be done.

ps. Don't mind me teasing hippies. I was only poking fun. Do you really think I would dislike hippies just because they're hippies? What's a hippie anyway? You're not a hippie are you Volu?  ;) Besides, I wasn't really having a shot at hippies, but rather, at those who are lazy and justify it with a philosophy. There's quite a bit of that in our societies, have you noticed? Philosophy built in an attempt to justify one's own weaknesses. That's how the weak make themselves look elevated and virtuous, while inferring the strong are something less than them.  

Just to jump in here, hope no-one minds. . . why are "demons" always portrayed as negative beings?  They have a role to play in the scheme of things, too, in my experience - & I find that ANY belief systems, of any kind,  are just chains to bind the free-ranging spirit.  The original title of this post is a case in point; a conflict which has its basis in beliefs. :(

Religion has done nothing but make me miserable.  Casting off the shackles of christianity was one of the best decisions I have ever made.

I really don't mean to offend, there are some great christians out there and Jesus taught some great things.  But in my personal experience, religion just gets in the way.

What a relief Focus 27 is!  No hell for infadels, no god telling people how to behave. 

"And fairness is not a pushover either. Fairness is appropriateness; is an appropriate response. Not too much and not too little, but juuust right. Fairness does what is required. Fairness considers the other, is respectful, demonstrates leniency and mercy, but still does what must be done."

Crossbow, those sure are fair thoughts to have before harmonizing with action. Glad that you care to write how you think. I do think that a slap for a slap or an eye for an eye is fair enough in some situations.

"ps. Don't mind me teasing hippies. I was only poking fun. Do you really think I would dislike hippies just because they're hippies? What's a hippie anyway? You're not a hippie are you Volu? ;)"

Do you mind the teasing about the teasing then? At least a part of your definition of hippies can be gleaned by reading 'sitting on our bottoms, like hippies'. No, got too much fire for that though passive doesn't have to make knock-knock jokes before I invite it in. Did you fancy how the hippe/balance connection was countered with a hippe/love connection?

"Besides, I wasn't really having a shot at hippies, but rather, at those who are lazy and justify it with a philosophy. There's quite a bit of that in our societies, have you noticed? Philosophy built in an attempt to justify one's own weaknesses. That's how the weak make themselves look elevated and virtuous, while inferring the strong are something less than them."

Justify one's weaknesses and weak elevating themselves can be a bit like whomever uttering..something..and become like snakes eating their own tails. There's enough laziness to go around. Ok, now that the disclaimer has been mentioned:

No action to be accountable for with follow-up consequences. Smooth sailing with no windy tucked away issues to rock the boat. Have a cigar & ride the gravy train while doing nada. Jesus saves. The ascended masters save. I/you/him/her save/s. Save it for a rainy day. It's all doom and gloom, so nevermind. Everything's love, so nevermind. It doesn't matter. Welfare - breeding made easy. Why make an effort when there's a button within reach? Awakening by merely sitting in a lotus position. Why take one's own steps while there are other's to guide, correct and live through?

Ok, enough writing and thinking. Going to sit in the recliner for the rest of the evening, but first gotta find the Milk Opener 2000 so that I can have a glass of milk without all the hard work of opening the carton.

PS1. Anyone, are Moens books available as audiobooks? How are the movies compared to the books?

PS2. The spellchecker is awesome, but couldn't be bothered to fix all the mistakes.

Kirolak,
Yes those demons get a bit of bad press, but they can take it. We needn't worry about offending them like we have to with so many over sensitive humans.

Eric,
Is Focus 27 your new religion?

Volu,
You make some interesting points. No I don't mind being teased at all. I like it. There's nothing like a good to and fro. And I don't mind a slap for a slap either. 

crossbow wrote on Dec 5^th, 2011 at 7:23pm:

Kirolak, Eric, Is Focus 27 your new religion?

Well, the word "religion" tends to include notions of dogma and rules and all that.  There is only one "rule" in Focus 27-- no imposition of your will upon another. 

I would consider myself more "spiritual" than "religious."  The religious types seem to be in lower focus levels. 

Focus 27 is simply a waiting station. Such a rule suits that place, and other such places, because it is designed to prevent people interfering with others while they wait, recuperate and adjust. Physical plane Earth life is not a waiting station; it is a high pressure school for freewilled human souls. Such a rule is a nice inclusion to have here, but it needs qualification and further supportive rules. It cannot stand on its own here.

And besides, it is not the only rule in Focus 27. It exists only for arrivals. Focus 27's Enforcers of that rule work to a different set of rules.      

You will always encounter this! Catholics, Christians, Jehova's Witnesses are always claiming mediums are actually contacting demons and that the demons are some how pretending to be dead loved ones in order to shake your faith.... seriously... this is the #1 claim.... that demons pretend to be dead loved ones to shake your faith and make you not believe in God. It's all so silly!

So theres no need to worry about these claims?

Stop talking about me! LOL!!!!  :P  :P  :P

Back on the topic of demons, once again I don't believe demons exist except in an imaginary fashion, lacking any real power.

When I reference a demon having power I mean nothing short of something impressive straight out of Hollywood such as:

A demon willing to openly communicate with a human and offering special powers such as one extra year of life for each human murdered. Now that is some hot demon power action! Nothing less than this type of demon power is worth my attention.

Obviously, such a thing exists only in Hollywood.... just like the afterlife actually existing!

Although I don't believe demons exist in and of themselves, I think it is possible that there are thought forms that a person encounters that they project themselves that they perceive as demons or there are people who are no longer in the physical universe andaren't very nice and can project the image of a demon.

BTW Eric, I think the belief system territories are in focus levels 24, 25 and 26. I hope Focus 27 is a real place and it would be nice if the only rule was simply to be nice and not impose your will onto others. I've just finished reading Bruce's first book which I finally got near the end of last year after my first attempt at ordering it years before resulted in UPS losing it. I think it was also helpful though to read about some perceptual skills and possible dangers that can be associated with exploring as well as how to remain unaffected by those negative energies and how to get rid of them if you get them. Interestingly enough, these techniques have also been helpful at reducing the intensity of my own negative emotions, such as seeing it not there.

To believe that negative beings do not exist is to be disillusioned.  Simply exploring the lower astral planes will be proof enough of their existence. 

I Am Dude wrote on Jan 13^th, 2012 at 3:13am:

To believe that negative beings do not exist is to be disillusioned.  Simply exploring the lower astral planes will be proof enough of their existence.

Exactly.

Sweet, so it's possible to be a uber powerful demon in the lower astral planes with cool razor sharp bone hands????

....I want razor sharp bone hands.

I am gonna be so cool as a demon!  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D

jdee190 wrote on Nov 18^th, 2011 at 3:13pm:

A Christian told me that mediums are the work of Satan and when they contact the dead it is really demons and they will end up in Hell. This has upset me as my mum recently received very good news about my late grandad from a medium :(

Hello,

I'm new here so I hope it's okay to respond. I didn't read all the responses you received so I apologize if this is a repeat.

I have heard the same/similar type condemnations for seeking answers to questions that "mainstream society" could not or would not answer. I have come to the conclusion that anything positive, good and enlightening would never try to create such limiting and dis-empowering beliefs. Admittedly, though, I was slapped across the face by a nun when I asked "Why do we confess to a priest if God is all-knowing and already knows all about me?" Eek. In retrospect, that was a bad idea (I was around 3rd grade at the time). In retrospect, I am grateful for that experience because it led me to think about things beyond the surface of what I was being taught.

In that regard, I do not believe you or your mother have anything to worry about relative to talking to a medium as long as you know, in your heart, that your motivations were pure and good and you feel okay about the messages received (remember, they should never be selfish, hateful or fearful). The rest of it is just systematic methods for removing our personal insight.

All the best,
mj