Hi folks,
I'm just working my way through the fourth of Bruce's books, and reading the conversations with 2nd Gathgroup and more I'm wondering just when the big changes are due. Obviously the book itself was published around 10 years ago and some of the discussions imply to me that the changes were imminent.
But here we are 10 years down the line, and we STILL seem to be waiting for either a planetary transformation, (and you can view that any number of ways from nirvaana to armageddon depending on who you've been listening to/reading/watching) or the great outpouring of PUL that all the folks in Focus 34/35 are here to witness.
Come to that, they must have the patience of Job to come here and sit around waiting for 10 years while the human race still bumbles along in an ever increasing wave of incompetence (sorry, I'm in a bad mood today  :-/)

So: when do the fireworks and galactic transformations start?

Any updates folks?

Best wishes,
(bad tempered)
Dave.
:)

According to Monroe, the Gathering happens somewhere around the year 3500. So any Great Changes will happen in the time between then and now.

We will be out of crude oil in 80 years, out of copper in 140 years and out of iron ore in 350 years. Then things will go bad.

Hi Pauli,
that's not the impression I gained from reading Ultimate Journey. I thought that the year 3500 was when the last incarnating humans say farewell to the planet as they join their disks and go on to the next dimension -whatever that may be.

We're reportedly due for the Earth changes anytime now, but obviously many people have predicted dates that have come and gone!  :(

Best wishes,
David.
:)

detheridge wrote on Sep 30^th, 2010 at 3:28pm:

...I'm wondering just when the big changes are due.

When you write "big changes", what do you think _are_ big changes? Is it something given to us a a gift? Or is it something we have matured into?


detheridge wrote on Sep 30^th, 2010 at 3:28pm:

Obviously the book itself was published around 10 years ago and some of the discussions imply to me that the changes were imminent. But here we are 10 years down the line, and we STILL seem to be waiting for either a planetary transformation, (and you can view that any number of ways from nirvaana to armageddon depending on who you've been listening to/reading/watching) or the great outpouring of PUL that all the folks in Focus 34/35 are here to witness. Come to that, they must have the patience of Job to come here and sit around waiting for 10 years while the human race still bumbles along in an ever increasing wave of incompetence (sorry, I'm in a bad mood today  :-/) So: when do the fireworks and galactic transformations start?

My impression was that Bruce went to sometime before year 3500 (or year +3000) in Focus 34, before the Gathering. So everything took place in the far future.

But there could be other kinds of changes before that, as 1500 years are a long time period in the human way of seeing it.

I feel we still have soooo much to learn...

I think we are already seeing a number of earth changes happening already. In fact, they are and have been going on sense the conception of earth time within physical reality. I believe that in these current times, the changes most reflective is the common acknowledgment of this being an encompassing earth community and that what any country does, effects all other countries and all other peoples. Really, that's pretty monumental. Earthquakes, floods, heating and cooling of the earth itself have been going on sense the start. But global awareness and the understanding of cause and effect due to our actions, globally...that's new and will sooner, rather than later, prove to be what may bring us to a place within the universal community that is worth seeing and experiencing. Some natural disaster perhaps, but most likely a human one, brought on by greed and the hunger for power over other, will bring everyone to a point where we will finally become a community of one. We may need to just to survive.

Mums the word when it comes to the exact timing.   Only periods and general descriptions may be given. The reason is two fold.  There are groups and individuals who would misuse this information if they got a hold of it and also they would be too prepared--which would miss the point for the changes to begin with. 

One reason for the changes, is to break their hold and influence on the world.   Most, if not all of these will exit stage left for a time. 

  The other reason is that to some extent, the exact timing & severity is in flux. It is influenced by collective human consciousness and choosing. 

  As to the form and manner of the changes.  Look to the Galactic Center, and then to the Sun.  Especially the Sun.

   Meanwhile, human greed and selfishness via probable wars will be destructive enough as it is.  There is preparation for one doozy of a conflict.  Obama will be no savior, but Russia may be. 

   Long after both of these, but not that long, will come another great Earth change.  But, i suspect those alive at this time will be more ready via intuition for this and better equiped to deal with it.   Not so for the huge majority of people for the first waves coming in the nearish future.

  Long after this great Earth, geological change, will come conflict with a particular E.T. group.   In a sense, they are at war with us now, but without the direct physical aspect.  For now it is covert mind, emotional, spiritual manipulation.  When we are mature enough, and equipped enough to deal more directly with them, our hands will be let go of by the Elders and we will have to face what we have attracted via like attracts and begets like.

  So, there are various aspects and waves to these changes, spread over a period, rather than one specific date and happening. 

  A rebalancing like this in the Earth and in humanity hasn't been seen in a very long time from the linear time perspective.   But it will be the necessary catalyst to help humanity get it's stuff together and to really unite beyond the various isms.  This will lead to what Monroe saw for about 1500 years from now.  The full and complete graduation of many Disks from this particular Universe to become full Co-Creators with Source again.

  For a time meanwhile, we will have to work together to just survive, it will be a necessity. 

   This echoes "HeShe's" conversation and words with Bob in Monroes' last book, Ultimate Journey. 

  I'm pretty sure HeShe (aka Yeshua in the "flesh") knows what they are talking about. 

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Hawkeye,
you're being rather mysterious -do pray tell more!  :D

Dave.
:)

only one more day to wait....the changes are about to begin. for some one that is.

Well, it came and went and all I got was the flu!  >:( :-? :-/

Oh well, I'll wait for the next round of changes. Maybe they're like London Buses -you wait for ages than six turn up at once!  ;)

Best wishes as ever,
David.
:)

David, I hope you are feeling better.

I think hawkeye's point is that the earth/world changes for somebody every day, through birth, death, good fortune, disaster, whatever.  Maybe we don't need to wait for change from "out there", but should be looking to create our own change, in here.

Pat E. wrote on Nov 14^th, 2010 at 3:04am:

David, I hope you are feeling better. I think hawkeye's point is that the earth/world changes for somebody every day, through birth, death, good fortune, disaster, whatever.  Maybe we don't need to wait for change from "out there", but should be looking to create our own change, in here.

I think their getting pretty close, I was just dreaming of them this morning. Don't want to be a downer but many many souls will pass when they do come through, all I can say is high ground!!! No coastal living except for high-rises that can with stand the impact, other than that No coastal is the best bet!

Just an add on here, this thing is going to be devastating, beyond normal devastation it will change our lives for ever, no One will not be effected!!

I have had dreams about earth changes, plus while awake and in contact with my higher self/spirit guidance I have received messages about changes. Rather than being given words, I am shown scenes where earth change like events take place, sometimes I find myself within such a scene.

Some of these messages have been about coastal changes. For example, one time while awake, I suddenly found myself on top of these big waves of the Pacific Ocean and they rushed towards what seemed to be the California coast. Then I experienced myself on the land and what seemed to be solar flares shot down to the ground.

When it comes to dreams, one time I was on the second floor of a small building watching TV, this building was located in a small desert town. Scenes of the desert around me being flooded were shown on the TV. I found this hard to believe, so I got up and looked out the window, and the desert around me was indeed flooding. Next I hid out so some unfriendly beings wouldn't get me, they didn't, and the unfriendly beings failed at their attempt to do what they were trying to do.

On another occasion I had a dream where Dannion Brinkley and I were watching TV (a near death experiencer who speaks about earth changes), he got up from his chair and said "it's hot in here, he stood by the window behind the curtain in order to cool off (he looked at me rather than outside as he did so), I got up and quickly walked to another window in order to open the curtain so cool air could come in, and I saw that a flood was headed our way.

I've received messages that difficult times will take place, but then things will change significantly for the better.

Here are a couple of links where near death experiencers speak about what they found out about changes. I believe it is important to consider that in some cases people might be warned about possibilities rather than eventualities, with hope that some of us will listen and change for the better.

http://powerpointparadise.com/millen/ndeproph.htm

http://www.near-death.com/experiences/research32.html

Balance, Recoverer and others with similar experiences,

So what's "pretty close" or "soon"?  A month?  A year?  A decade?  A century?  Each could be soon, depending on your time scale, but with potentially greatly different impact on us individually, depending.

In Monroe's and Moen's books, with respect to the Gathering to observe the earth changes, Monroe first was made aware of this back in the 70's or early 80's at the latest.  Are those gathered still waiting?  Were they here too early, or, in the relevant time scale, right on time, even though it's been over 25 years in our timeframe?  So, Dec. 21, 2012 or before?  Or after?

Pat E. wrote on Nov 14^th, 2010 at 3:04am:

David,  Maybe we don't need to wait for change from "out there", but should be looking to create our own change, in here.

  Ultimately this is what's most important, and it's very good advice for the individual. 

But, we are collective too and the Changes are about the collective more than just the individual. 

  Like Recoverer, i've also gotten various guidance messages in various ways about these changes, and i've found that many higher level psychic type sources (some of which have verifications in their work) also talk about these as well. 

   Sources like Bruce Moen, Bob Monroe, Cayce, Rosiland McKnights guidance, Courtny Brown Phd., Yeshua in the N.T. and "HeShe" in Monroe's 3rd book, Mary Summer Rain, and various others--including many people who experienced NDE's. 

   The deeper and important point is that these changes are going to be the outer catalysts which will really push the collective into the right direction spiritually and ecologically.  Think of it as a collective wake up call.

   This is why so many higher level sources have talked about these, because they are important, and a very real probability. 

  It is good to be aware, without fear, of what is generally coming, in order to prepare emotionally-mentally and spiritually for the challenges ahead. 

  There is nothing to fear unless one is overly attached to their body vehicle and materialism in general. 

  Things will get challenging for many people for awhile, but as Recoverer has hinted, ultimately and in the long run, these challenges will lead to greater and more collective states of happiness than what humanity now experiences.

  I'm not sure humanity, as a collective, would get there anytime soon without these kind of outer catalysts and challenges.   We haven't had a very good track record for the last 12, 600 or so years since the last major cycle of major changes happened.

  I want to see the world heal, and so i welcome these changes because this is the surgery that this cancer ridden body now needs in order to heal before it completely dies of over toxification. 

  Yeah, it's not a popular subject among most people, and most really don't want to hear about it because of various attachments and fears, but the more prepared people are, the less who will get stuck when they transition from these and those who stay in physical will be comforted knowing what these are really about--both collective and individual spiritual growth.  About healing, and awakening to Oneness. 

  If humanity was a less stubborn species, being hit in the head with 2x4's like these changes, probably wouldn't be necessary.  But challenge and suffering are ever humanity's greatest friends when it comes to waking up spiritually. 

  It's been true in my own life, and i've observed this in others i've known.  This is just a more collective developement of this.  The way past the cross, is by carrying it, not by avoiding it.

  What's less mentioned is that there are sources and forces interested in discrediting, playing down , and/or distorting information about these changes in order that more people don't take them seriously.   There are various ways and means of doing this, and they know all the psychological tricks in the book.   Sometimes they purport to believe in and they talk about the changes, but act and say things in a manner wherein they know most people won't take them seriously and think they are (& those who believe or talk similar by reflection) are cranks to be laughed off.

  Especially misleading are the half truth kinds, wherein just enough truth is put in their info in order to resonate a person's Soul to some extent, but most of the rest is quite off and misleading. 

  I don't doubt that such sources, in some way or another, visit this and other sites like this one, and spread their misleading info or try deride those who do receive messages and talk about these changes.  Some people connected to this, aren't even necessarily aware of it, but are unconsciously being psychically influenced by say certain E.T. groups with a vested interest in an unaware and ignorant humanity. 

Pat E. wrote on Nov 16^th, 2010 at 2:14am:

Balance, Recoverer and others with similar experiences, So what's "pretty close" or "soon"?  A month?  A year?  A decade?  A century?  Each could be soon, depending on your time scale, but with potentially greatly different impact on us individually, depending. In Monroe's and Moen's books, with respect to the Gathering to observe the earth changes, Monroe first was made aware of this back in the 70's or early 80's at the latest.  Are those gathered still waiting?  Were they here too early, or, in the relevant time scale, right on time, even though it's been over 25 years in our timeframe?  So, Dec. 21, 2012 or before?  Or after?

  Develop yourself to be in position to be made aware of these changes from within, and you will be given such info.   

  These are not handed out lightly or without discrimination.  As said earlier, when it comes to such info, especially as to more exact timing, mum is the word for some very good reasons on behalf of guidance levels.

   As mentioned, there are two main factors of why this is so.

   Some aspects of these changes will, so far in probabiltiy terms, be here within a few years, quite literally a few years. 

  Others will come in a decade or so later. 

  Another, not for a few hundred years or so. 

  Again, one can only speak in terms of probability.   

   

Justin,
you are a very wise and perspicatious person.

Many thanks!

Best wishes,
David.
:)

Detheridge:

Fine discrimination will show that perspicatious is spelled perspicacious.

Thank you for teaching me a new word. :) I just looked it up in the dictionary. Your spelling makes more sense to me. Perhaps when earth changes take place for the better, the spelling of perspicacious will be changed according to how you spell it. Certainly a "t" is better than a second "c." The people who came up with the double c spelling probably weren't interested in the ascension. They try to keep us confused by doing things such as spelling words in a confusing manner. ;)






detheridge wrote on Nov 16^th, 2010 at 2:35pm:

Justin, you are a very wise and perspicatious person. Many thanks! Best wishes, David. :)

Pat E.

Going by the messages I received, the near future. It seems as if others have received the same. 

I live about 10 miles from the Pacific Ocean (San Francisco Bay Area), so I need to think about moving. One time I asked when key changes will take place, and I was shown 2011.  I don't know to what degree things are etched in stone.



Pat E. wrote on Nov 16^th, 2010 at 2:14am:

Balance, Recoverer and others with similar experiences, So what's "pretty close" or "soon"?  A month?  A year?  A decade?  A century?  Each could be soon, depending on your time scale, but with potentially greatly different impact on us individually, depending. In Monroe's and Moen's books, with respect to the Gathering to observe the earth changes, Monroe first was made aware of this back in the 70's or early 80's at the latest.  Are those gathered still waiting?  Were they here too early, or, in the relevant time scale, right on time, even though it's been over 25 years in our timeframe?  So, Dec. 21, 2012 or before?  Or after?

recoverer wrote on Nov 16^th, 2010 at 3:56pm:

Detheridge: Fine discrimination will show that perspicatious is spelled perspicacious. Thank you for teaching me a new word. :) I just looked it up in the dictionary. Your spelling makes more sense to me. Perhaps when earth changes take place for the better, the spelling of perspicacious will be changed according to how you spell it. Certainly a "t" is better than a second "c." The people who came up with the double c spelling probably weren't interested in the ascension. They try to keep us confused by doing things such as spelling words in a confusing manner. ;)

Hi Recoverer,
Yes, you're quite right -a senior moment on my part!  ;D

Here's to the day when it's spelt with a t -or not  :o

David.
;)

Recoverer, thanks.  I live in the relative lowlands of Sacramento, farther from the coast but still low.  In early 2012, if the world lasts that long, I'll be moving to Grass Valley, but can't till the project gets built and they are just now grading, etc.  Wonder if I'll make it up the hill before "it" happens.  Ah, the mysteries of life as we know it.

Recoverer,

"I live about 10 miles from the Pacific Ocean (San Francisco Bay Area), so I need to think about moving. One time I asked when key changes will take place, and I was shown 2011.  I don't know to what degree things are etched in stone."

"I" live on an island, and recently moved to a place 20-ish metres from the sea. If the sea level rises to an extent that'll raise more than a few eyebrows, it will fill more than just the bathtub around here, and so be it. Sea change? Wasn't planning on becoming human ad infinitum anyways. ;) I've received "soon", and I read about and know others have too, but not just about earth changes being a possibility for a/the major change. To me it seems like no incarnations (the tinier selves) know, but given hints about possible scenarios, and that's ok too.

If the flooding happens, at least I'll have my rubber ducky to keep me company.


Volu wrote on Nov 18^th, 2010 at 1:38pm:

Recoverer, "I live about 10 miles from the Pacific Ocean (San Francisco Bay Area), so I need to think about moving. One time I asked when key changes will take place, and I was shown 2011.  I don't know to what degree things are etched in stone." "I" live on an island, and recently moved to a place 20-ish metres from the sea. If the sea level rises to an extent that'll raise more than a few eyebrows, it will fill more than just the bathtub around here, and so be it. Sea change? Wasn't planning on becoming human ad infinitum anyways. ;) I've received "soon", and I read about and know others have too, but not just about earth changes being a possibility for a/the major change. To me it seems like no incarnations (the tinier selves) know, but given hints about possible scenarios, and that's ok too.

  Rubber ducky you're the one...  :D

Personally, i wouldn't mind too much if i was one of the ones who got to exit stage left for a time when these changes come.  I have no fear of death, and it certainly would be easier to be in the nonphysical dimensions than in the physical during and after these changes.

But alas, don't think it's going to work out that way.  I agreed to stay even before i came in. 

Why, cause it's not all about self and what self would like, or want for it's self.  It's about the collective, and it's possible that i may be of some help to others in the future during these trying times.   At least i'm trying hard to develop myself to be a channel of such help when the time comes.  I wish i had more time for this, since i'm only 30 and i've got a lot to work on within self yet.  Probably why i seem to get hammered by life time and time again since young by challenges and testing, often on multiple fronts at the same time. 

  One way or another, it's always about Retrievals and more fully remembering, even in physical. 

Justin, it sounds like you aspire to being what the Buddhists call a bodhisattva, one who has vowed to keep coming back and working to help others attain enlightenment and not leave for nirvana (or wherever enlightened beings go) until the last sentient being has become enlightened.  I took the bodhisattva vow with Pema Chodron several years ago, but I don't think I have enlightened very many, if any, sentient beings nor do I feel particularly enlightened myself. 

But I share your feelings about the changes.  I'm old enough that "exiting stage left" wouldn't be much out of the order of things.  But I'll stick around and pursue what bodhisattva-like activities I'm capable of when the time comes, if that's my role this time.

Hi Pat, that's really cool and heartening that you took that vow.  Wish more felt that way.

  It's the intention that matters, and will eventually lead to helping to be a catalyst of waking up for others.

  In any case, we will definitely need those in the nonphysical dimension helping as well.  Lot's of retrieval cases coming.  Hopefully Bruce can get that device made in the right time, because that would really help to lessen the load.

  Sorry i didn't respond earlier.  I go in odd cycles of not visiting this site for awhile.  I appreciate the kind reply, especially since i know i can be a little strong with words sometimes, though it's usually impersonal and non specifically focused.