question for this discussion is "Does God exist side by side with matter and energy, or is god the creator that sits like a mighty king on his heavenly throne

1) Holy King but not creator of all things

2) Creator of all of existence or:-

3) Existence = god, god= Existence

Comments

Hello Alan:

I can't say with one hunderd percent certainty, but what makes sense to me is that at first one vast perhaps infinite being existed all by himself (not really a "him").

Eventually this being figured out what much of himself was about, and learned to use the creative aspect of himself to create other beings.

Since nothing existed but himself, he used parts of his own being to do so.

Therefore, everything including us are little pieces of God trying to figure out what it is all about.

Since everything happens within God, he is aware of the numerous ways in which his being manifests.

He has enabled different parts of himself to take part in the creative process.

Because he found out about love, he respects our autonomy. This doesn't mean that he approves of when we harm others. Because his way represents the most beautiful, wonderful, and loving way there is, hopefully, each of us eventually finds the same way.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SipVykiE6mY

recoverer wrote on Jul 9^th, 2010 at 12:50pm:

Hello Alan: I can't say with one hundred percent certainty, but what makes sense to me is that at first one vast perhaps infinite being existed all by himself (not really a "him"). Eventually this being figured out what much of himself was about, and learned to you the creative aspect of himself to create other beings. Since nothing existed but himself, he used parts of his own being to do so. Therefore, everything including us are little pieces of God trying to figure out what it is all about. Since everything happens within God, he is aware of the numerous ways in which his being manifests. He has enabled different parts of himself to take part in the creative process. Because he found out about love, he respects our autonomy. This doesn't mean that he approves of when we harm others. Because his way represents the most beautiful, wonderful, and loving way there is, hopefully, each of us eventually finds the same way.

Greeting Recoverer,

I could not agree more, that is what I call a great insightful post. What you stated so nicely fits into my belief about the almighty, he/is/she was alone and decided to create a universe full of life that he could love and cherish.

Why don't you write an article or essay around those profound thought you added to this discussion??

Blessings and light

Alan

Well, my honest opinion of God is that most likely God was completely created by mankind as a calming influence, a simple solution to the great question of our existence. One needs only to read bits and pieces of the bible to see that God represents a father figure for all of mankind.

Therefore, I would state that God is neither but is a creation of mankind's amazing and impressive mental capabilities and imagination.

The God of Abraham, whose name is the tetragramaton:
יהוה‎

YHWH
Yahweh
Jehovah
I AM

One of the most confusing and strange names ever, the God of Abraham has the most "mystical" and hard to understand / translate name.

Of course.... The God of Abraham may not be the first God... (Unless He in fact is and I am wrong.)

The Hindu religion predates the new testament and Jesus birth and death by many years and had several Gods.

Earlier than this it is thought that humans worshiped rocks and other normal natural objects.

The bottom line?

For the true Scientist that demands absolute proof... it just isn't out there.

I am more of a "NEW AGE" thinker... When I think of God, I do not think of an omnipotent father figure that is my maker... I think of a special God in all of us that lives on in some way. I cannot explain it because anything I would speculate would be just that, a speculation and guess.

Gotta die and find out! - Of course, if death is the end of everything you pretty much won't find out anyways technically... This is a big reason why fear of death sets in also. The not knowing is obviously awful.

Hey Jehovah  :) , first time we meet INTERNET via INTERNET

Alan

recoverer wrote on Jul 9^th, 2010 at 12:50pm:

Hello Alan: I can't say with one hunderd percent certainty, but what makes sense to me is that at first one vast perhaps infinite being existed all by himself (not really a "him"). Eventually this being figured out what much of himself was about, and learned to use the creative aspect of himself to create other beings. Since nothing existed but himself, he used parts of his own being to do so. Therefore, everything including us are little pieces of God trying to figure out what it is all about. Since everything happens within God, he is aware of the numerous ways in which his being manifests. He has enabled different parts of himself to take part in the creative process. Because he found out about love, he respects our autonomy. This doesn't mean that he approves of when we harm others. Because his way represents the most beautiful, wonderful, and loving way there is, hopefully, each of us eventually finds the same way.

I'm confused.... what does this have to do with aliens?

Tim

"I'm confused...."

This is not the introduction section, but oh well. Hi, nice to meet you confused. Fitting name since you also use Tim.

"what does this have to do with aliens?"

Hidden in the name of this board that..word..is hidden. Not plural though. Pretty much says it all.

Tim:

I figure B2 is an alien, because B2 sounds like an alien name, or am I thinking of Star Wars robots?

The names Tim and Alan on the other hand, I guess those could be aliases for aliens.

To me, God is all...all of us, the air we breathe, the chair I'm sitting on...we are all one and we are God.

Tim:

I sent you a PM with my telephone number.


Griffin wrote on Jul 13^th, 2010 at 9:37pm:

recoverer wrote on Jul 11th, 2010 at 5:54pm: Tim: I figure B2 is an alien, because B2 sounds like an alien name, or am I thinking of Star Wars robots? The names Tim and Alan on the other hand, I guess those could be aliases for aliens. Hey Friend, Please come over anytime. I'm on vacation this week & staying in town.  Friday night would be fun, some musicians coming over &  listeners too...  If not this month, let's get together the next. (or anytime you wish) Your close bro-in-spirit,                 Tim

Tom,

"Yeah, I was fooling! My name isn't "Tom" That's my twin's name ( I'm not joking) (my name is Tim)"

Yeah, nice touch, joking around is fun. :)

"as musicians, we'd all just join in and play the song. Why? Because that's the fun way! The real musical way! Music doesn't exist in isolation! That's what musicians do. They co-operate to play music together. There ain't no music without co-operation. You can have different viewpoints and still play together."

Music does exist in isolation and it's very real, though in analogy land we're social beings. Jamming with friends have been the most fun time doing music, with different dynamic energies coming together.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qRN8HoZtbo

usetawuz wrote on Jul 13^th, 2010 at 10:08pm:

To me, God is all...all of us, the air we breathe, the chair I'm sitting on...we are all one and we are God.

During my NDE I had the distinct impression that I was God with all his omni-everything, but at the same time I knew I was Alan just a part of God. God being the infinite ocean and me one drop in that great ocean. I retained my unique identity but at the same time I could plug into the infinite mind of god

In the universe there is the Superconsciousness or the cosmic mind that we can access at any time. Why not , we have a sort of cosmic mind down here on earth;namely the WWW the Internet

Weird but true  8-)

Alan

Alan said: "During my NDE I had the distinct impression that I was God with all his omni-everything, but at the same time I knew I was Alan just a part of God. God being the infinite ocean and me one drop in that great ocean. I retained my unique identity but at the same time I could plug into the infinite mind of god

In the universe there is the Superconsciousness or the cosmic mind that we can access at any time. Why not , we have a sort of cosmic mind down here on earth;namely the WWW the Internet

Weird but true"

Recoverer responds: "That's a good way to put it. And thank you for the compliment about my post. I was slow to respond to your compliment, because I got abducted by that alien discussion for a while. Perhaps some day I will write an article and add it to my site. 

Superconscioussness that we can access at any time. - I think we have/get access to what we're individually ready for while being here. Even on the web that seems to be the case in the form of info/inspiration that you attract when it's due. People/events pop up into one's life out of the blue just when the time is right, and so forth. Streams of synchronicities. I look forward to this dense part of consciousness not being the main focus though, a memory, what I used to know.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEI8raNvG-g

recoverer,

"[..]I got abducted by that alien discussion for a while."

Lol. Good one.

I believe the below is true.


Volu wrote on Jul 14^th, 2010 at 2:28pm:

Superconscioussness that we can access at any time. - I think we have/get access to what we're individually ready for while being here. Even on the web that seems to be the case in the form of info/inspiration that you attract when it's due. People/events pop up into one's life out of the blue just when the time is right, and so forth. Streams of synchronicities. I look forward to this dense part of consciousness not being the main focus though, a memory, what I used to know. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEI8raNvG-g recoverer, "[..]I got abducted by that alien discussion for a while." Lol. Good one.

recoverer wrote on Jul 14^th, 2010 at 3:01pm:

I believe the below is true. Volu wrote on Jul 14th, 2010 at 2:28pm: Superconscioussness that we can access at any time. - I think we have/get access to what we're individually ready for while being here. Even on the web that seems to be the case in the form of info/inspiration that you attract when it's due. People/events pop up into one's life out of the blue just when the time is right, and so forth. Streams of synchronicities. I look forward to this dense part of consciousness not being the main focus though, a memory, what I used to know. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEI8raNvG-g recoverer, "[..]I got abducted by that alien discussion for a while." Lol. Good one.

I, too agree, but what has that to do with God?  When the student is ready the teacher will come.  I am with Volu, though in looking forward to density being a pleasant memory...

usetawuz wrote on Jul 14^th, 2010 at 8:45pm:

recoverer wrote on Jul 14th, 2010 at 3:01pm: I believe the below is true. Volu wrote on Jul 14th, 2010 at 2:28pm: Superconscioussness that we can access at any time. - I think we have/get access to what we're individually ready for while being here. Even on the web that seems to be the case in the form of info/inspiration that you attract when it's due. People/events pop up into one's life out of the blue just when the time is right, and so forth. Streams of synchronicities. I look forward to this dense part of consciousness not being the main focus though, a memory, what I used to know. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEI8raNvG-g recoverer, "[..]I got abducted by that alien discussion for a while." Lol. Good one. I, too agree, but what has that to do with God?  When the student is ready the teacher will come.  I am with Volu, though in looking forward to density being a pleasant memory...

And so your destiny will be, because you are a kind loving and caring person and deserve eternal happiness. But there are others like Hitler that deserve hell and that is/was his destiny

We all must go to the realm in the afterlife that fits us best. You simply can not have depraved minds and souls polluting the purity of heavens

Alan

usetawuz,

"I, too agree, but what has that to do with God?"

god. Another local concept in the memory container of 'used to know'.

Alan,

"And so your destiny will be, because you are a kind loving and caring person and deserve eternal happiness. But there are others like Hitler that deserve hell and that is/was his destiny"

Good to have a definition of right and wrong. Anyway, just as to some incarnations it will shocking to find that there's no death, hoping to push daisies?, getting to know about some projections of their own disc will prolly be shocking to them. In terms of blood thirst/revenge, another valid reason for projecting little selves that connect to bodies, with blank slates. 'I know one of your incarnations is going to steal money from another of my fellow incarnations in the future, so I'll slap you silly in advance for that now, though to her I'm in the past, and another fellow incarnation thinks everything happen simultaneously. So, as a bonus, a complimentary kick in the nuts just for the fact that time doesn't make any sense no more.'

"We all must go to the realm in the afterlife that fits us best. You simply can not have depraved minds and souls polluting the purity of heavens."

Like attracts like. In my book a disc has incarnations that can be all over the place in the "afterlife", also that everyone will return back to that particular source, and the journey continues, minus the human bodies.

Volu wrote on Jul 15^th, 2010 at 5:34am:

usetawuz, "I, too agree, but what has that to do with God?" god. Another local concept in the memory container of 'used to know'.

Is that "usetaknow"?  And a "local concept"...what do you mean? 

usetawuz,

"Is that "usetaknow"?"

:)

"And a "local concept"...what do you mean"

Comparing an earth concept to concepts/rotes when phasing/focusing elsewhere. Thrones & Lords - very well for others of course, or so it should be, but not ones for me. I like the rebel vibration, though, trying to fine tune 'don't be afraid to say what you think & feel, but that's it, cos' other people have lives too.' :P As it happens, there CAN be a fine line between stating thoughts and ending up ramming them down others mind throats/sugar coating them, then add bambie eyes, wink wink, as if to say pwetty PWLEEEASE think so too, or tears will flow like a neverending rivers down these gentle chins, and yous donts wants me tew fweel swaaaaad, doo.. yoou..? :P Ack. Maybe it's  about hoping one's thoughts will be the dominating champion/the right'n'loving one for all. Well, well, nevermind the bollocks, did you buy the concept about a local concept? :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6f-P-Ik-vdw