I decided to start a new thread from my post on the McCann thread to be sure everyone knows about Bruce and Ed's device.

I too have been distressed by the disappearance of this little girl.

Let's all hope that Bruce is successful in his continuing efforts to perfect his afterlife communication device (ACD).

As many of you know, Bruce has been working on the ACD for years.  He describes it as like a telephone system to the "dead." With this device, Bruce says that anyone here on earth can "dial-up" a deceased loved one as easily as we now can call our friends down the street.  Bruce hopes that this device, once it's placed into mass production, can be available at any WalMart or Radio Shack for an approximate price of $50 or so.

Bruce has encountered several problems along the way, but thankfully he is getting technical device from Ed Carter.  Ed was an engineer and a friend of Bruce's before he died, and had worked with Bruce on the device before he died.  Amazingly, Ed is continuing to provide help to Bruce from the afterlife.  This gives Bruce a unique perspective in understanding how the device can be tuned to enable the deceased to talk with us, and we with them.

I think all of us should encourage Bruce in this herculean effort, especially in dealing with the many obstacles he's encountered.  He is very busy with his workshops, but is determined to continue his work no matter what it takes or how long it takes until the device becomes a reality.  

Some day in the not too distant future we will know for a certainty that the afterlife exists and that we survive death, and the world will bestow on Bruce (and Ed) the honor and recognition they so richly deserve.

(For those of you who are able to travel in the afterlife, please give our blessings to Ed for his help in this monumental enterprise).

Thank you, Rondele, for this update. This is intriguing and certainly exciting news, and if there has truly been progress then I am very happy you shared this. Best wishes to all involved. I'm not sure what kind of reaction the public would have to such a device, depending on how it functions. But, it seems like it would be a fantastic, world-changing event to have a reliable instrument to provide information which cannot be disproven and which would be easily available and shared with others. How would it really work?

I mean, I'm having a hard time believing the dead would be instantly accessible. Would there be some kind of delay?  This is just so hard for me to imagine.  Is there call waiting? Is there some kind of voicemail?

just kidding.  no, I'm not. :)

love, blink :)

This is certainly intriguing, but I won't hold my breath for it. I remember reading in a book about the afterlife about 15 years ago that someone was developing some sort of television which would show scenes from the afterlife, and that doesn;t seem to have come about. Also, most experiments with EVP seem to have been a bit inconclusive from what I know of them (and that seems related field). Anyhow, I certainly wish Bruce well with it, whatever it involves.

I'd very much like to have a look at the schematics of one of those things that works. For about 30 years, I've been working on the idea of an "external storage system" - a pseudo memory - that could support some kind of active intelligent activity, at least in principle. If life can be modelled as the progressive combinations of active elements of the personality with passive elements of context (something that appears valid, based on actual experience and analysis) , then a very basic system would need little more than a resonator system that would mimic that function of the mind by allowing information to concatenate as it rests in storage loops. At the same time, we must postulate that the dead are everywhere present and able to enter and cooperate with such mechanisms.

That's kinda like tuning a radio to all stations at once, and then  listening for the outcome to make sense, but it seems possible. Shouldn't be any worse than trying to converse at a cocktail party. Maybe Bruce will give us more information . . .

dave

I recommend that everyone with some technical skills and ideas would just experiment a bit. When you know how a radio and basic electronic circuits are working, what we need is to assemble it in a new way and see what's happening. There are already many ideas on the www about EVP and similar things. What is obviously lacking are people who really trial around. No wonder, much time is needed for this and the results are totally unforeseeable. But someone has to do the work, and that is, as we don't understand the basics of such a technique yet, trial and error (or succeed!).

Spooky

The frustrating thing about this is that this is not a new idea. I recall years back reading many Spiritualist books by mediums and others who had the same idea a century ago. For whatever reasons, the thing just never seems to happen. Imagine the boon to mankind and the fame and fortune to the man or organization that invented and patented such a device? One might argue it would be a greater service to mankind than the invention of the wheel.

I've long wondered, too, why this hasn't already been done from the other side. I mean, scientists are scientists. Those who have passed on, I'd assume, would be just as anxious as we are to develop such a gizmo.

-Chuck-

Chuck-

I agree, in fact you couldn't really even compare the invention of the wheel with the ACD.  Whole other dimension (no pun intended).

Just think what the device would need to do (among many other things).  It would need to first provide everyone in the afterlife with some sort of ID just like our own phone system does.  If we want to dial up Uncle Fred, we will need to know what buttons to press.  Of course, there may not be buttons at all.  Maybe we just speak the name and date of death and at the other end is a universal routing device of some sort (CISCO systems would make a ton of money on this!) that automatically seeks out and finds the person and notifies him or her that someone wants to chat with him.

So when Uncle Fred speaks, there would also need to be some sort of device to translate his thoughts (as a spirit he has no vocal chords) into an audible signal that we can hear him.

And there's yet another problem for those of us who believe in reincarnation- what if Fred is now living as a 5 yr old girl in Iran?  Would there be call forwarding? But then, the little girl (aka Fred) would have no clue who is calling her, and in fact the the caller might end up being hauled into the police station.  Can you imagine trying to explain to the cops why we wanted to talk with her??  We better have a pretty slick lawyer in that case!

But maybe the device incorporates some sort of storage mechanism, whereby when the little girl dies, she (Uncle Fred) can check on messages sent during her latest incarnation.  Of course, by then we would probably also be dead.....

No wonder Bruce is frustrated!  Let's hope he will weigh in on this and give us the latest outlook.

Maybe the World isn't ready for such a device, and the spirit World is waiting until it is before the final bits of information are sent over. Often, timing is really important.

as we become more aware of our own spiritual enlightenment, this need for an easy way to contact those passed over will not be necessary.There are many here and around the world who are aware that they are in contact with the other side nightly or when they meditate, or do recoveries. Sometimes is when we phase. The easy way is not always the best way. Untill such a devise is manifested in physical reality, the recovering and assisting must continue. My belief is that (earth) time is of the essence in getting this done.  
Joe

I can suggest a few ideas about the way it feels when I meditate or do a regression, but I can't say for sure how a gadget would work.

(1)   As we go into trance, one thing that we do is to open our awareness. So whatever this gizmo is, my guess is that it has to be open to inputs as opposed to filtering them.

(2)   As we tune into a different "continuum" like the "spirit world" we use our imagination as a regenerative amplifier. Bruce mentions a "pretend that it works" approach that is of this sort. My guess is that we shold have a regenerative quality by which momentry and fragmented information can be conserved. This suggests resonators capable of handling frequencies from nearly zero up to about 20,000 Hz.

(3)   The system must be complex enough to actually allow embodiment of the energies that we are trying to observe. I recall an OBE into a rolled up window shade, in which it seemed as if the complexity of my personality was somehow supported by the successive layers of fabric. Since the basis of life is a dynamic, not a static state, I'd guess that the structure should support feedback at multiple levels. This would fit in with the idea of resonators, since they involve feedback at just under unity gain.

(4)   We have many reported experiences suggesting that the energies in question involve electromagnetic effects. For example, tape recordings of voices. Possibly some kind of electrical pickup would be appropriate. Since this is intended to handle frequencies that include our audio range, we might need a broadband impedance matcher.

(5)   It has been shown that ideas evolve as an iterated complexion series (iterated power set if you prefer that term) because in this way the dynamic presence of the thinker is preserved. I feel that the equipment probably should incorporate some means by which multiple levels (I'd say 3 or more) can relate in this manner. This is a matter of how resonators are coupled together in the brain, and should be similar in an artificial environment.

(6)   I agree with Spooky that we need to actualize this thing, but I haven't been able to do much more than think about some of these general ideas. So we need some tinkerers, and a means of development and testing. I have no further suggestions on that part.

Who wants to play?
dave

I believe it would be key that they don't become futuristic Ouija boards.  One would have to know how to make contact with the right channel. A person might knock on the wrong door.

Interesting thoughts Dave.
To (1) and (2): Open, but with resonance- so it's finally again to find the right filter.
To (4): A broadband impedance matcher, the dream of every audio engineer. High impedance devices are good for sources which can't provide much current. Low impedance devices are good for sources which can provide sufficient amounts of current (low inertial impedance, like dynamic microphones). With the modern Op-Amps, you can have a very high impedance together with a high amplification, and up to 20kHz they are fairly stable as far as I know, above 20kHz it needs more and more effort. Now the backside is the noise. Since with high impedance you pick up lots of noise from any non-shielded connector attached to the input. As long as we don't know what kind of electric specifics those messages do have, we have to experiment with different impedance inputs.
To (5): So this is again either a feedback loop, or an overlay / mix (hm, or both). There are some digital devices like some audio delays which can record a short time and overlay this record with the new incoming signal in. The question then is the time of the recording parts. Could be any time, since we don't know much about the "tick"-length of spirit-thoughts.

Rondele and Recoverer: Yes, true, one of the main problems. When you imagine you're about to get such a device to work, and then some thousand spirits waiting to babble something into it, well, then forget it. So we need filtering. That means, the device has to be connected somehow to the intent of the physical contactor.

Spooky

In my view, Bruce's quest to create such an EVP device should be studied as a variation of "the independent voice phenomena" generated or channeled by physical mediums such as Gladys Leonard, Leslie Flint, and Etta Wriedt.  George  Meek's famous use of "Spiricom" to record the "voice" of discarnate engineer, George Mueller, is a case in point.  Mueller seems to verify his alleged identity through a detailed series of revelations, including his academic credentials, places of study, awards, and even his social security number and sister's address.  Mueller warns that he will soon "progress" out of range and promises instructions on how to upgrade Spiricom for continued communications.  But Spiricom falls silent before any such upgrades can be created.  What gets overlooked about these experiments is this: Spiricom can only function with the aid of a medium named William O'Neil.  

In most other EVP cases, the voices strike me as either too unclear, brief enough to be the product of psychokinesis, or outright fraud.  The one exception is perhaps the earliest EVP case.  On Sept. 17, 1952, two priests were trying to upgrade tape recordings of Gregorian chant.  The wire kept breaking on their tape recorder and one of them, Father Gemelli, jokingly asked his deceased Dad for assistance.  When the tape was replayed, the chanting was gone and was replaced by his Dad's clearly understandable voice, reassuring him: "Of course, I'll help you.  I'm always with you."  The two priests sought and received an audience with Pope Pius XII to present their discovery.  The Pope suggested this EVPs might be developed  into "a new scientific discovery for confirming faith in the afterlife!" Of course, this EVP is not the result of a serious attempt to contact the deceased.

Don

wow, what an INCREDIBLE thing that would be, to talk to the dead as easily as a live person!!!!!   even if you didn't know the dead person, you could look up the info on their past life and prove to yourself that the afterlife is real.  that knowledge is invaluable.  

as incredible as it would be, i'm very skeptical of any such thing existing in my lifetime... call me a pessimist...

Hi all  I think it's exciting for the future as even more will beleive in the spirit world,but my dad spoke to me and my brother and my sister on the phone after he died,so if spirit wanted ,i think that they could ring us instead,at least then they would get the person they really want to talk to,my dad had only been dead for two days when he rung us up and when he did ,i picked  up the phone and at first there was this eerie silence and then dad kept saying in a sort of trembled voice"ITS DAD,ITS DAD"and i called my brother to listen and he's not sure about spirit and when he heard  dad on the phone,he looked shocked and he told me and deanna to keep it from mum as she would have gone mad and  told us we were nuts,so we did not tell her.

Love and God bless   Love Juditha

Don wrote:
"Spiricom can only function with the aid of a medium named William O'Neil."

Yes, this is a good point. It refers to the question of filtering, the connection of device and contactor (the "dialing" question). And maybe the connection must be very close, so to say, and you would need a quite talented person to do this.
We could ask, why then such a device, when you still need a medium? In Bruces terminologie, it would be, in my opinion, a tool to bypass the distortions of the physical contactor's interpreter and belief system, and maybe to decrease noise (unrelated associations, wandering thoughts) once the contact is established. Additionally, if the audio quality is sufficient, recognizing of a voice alone would be very convincing, and not only one, but others, too, would be able to hear it.
I wonder if some technical EVP sets would work better with a person skilled in mediumship/phasing/focused awareness.

Another thought about what Dave said and EVP. Some EVPlers report that they, when they listen to their recording the first time, can only notice at some points that "there is something". The more often they hear it, the clearer it becomes. If this is not only from a psychologic reason, but the recording actually changes, then this would mean there is a sort of "overdub" factor, or iteration, and furthermore, the question arises how this changing in the recording takes place, if it is directly influenced by a spirit, or by the listener.
Don is right, the EVP results seem not to be very convincing yet, at least not the published ones.

I remember a post here on the board, I forgot who posted it, telling of experimenting with EVP and after this, having some spook phenomena, just like it is frequently reported after ouija board sessions. Despite my nickname, I wouldn't like this at all!

Spooky

yeah there is a chapter in hello from heaven about spirits who call their family on the phone, so it is certainly possible, but they never talk for long... it seems like no ADC's last very long

Spooky- I figured on using a computer to set up a lot of loops, essentially shift registers,  that would cycle through periods of a couple seconds on down to .0001 second or so, with at least ten sampling point at 10 Khz on all of them. It just needs a lot of memory and a fast machine to count through them, but a 2 GHz machine shold be able to do it OK.

Gain is a matter of multiplying the throughput by .9999 or so, and then adding the new data at unity, so the system regenerates slightly and resonates. The multiple registers will pick up any repetitive sounds like an echo chamber. This could also be made "super-regenerative", but that gets a bit complicated.

My guess is that we'd be seeing a very high impedance - on the order or gigohms - so something like a broad screen plus self-biased FET input might be adequate. With a computer, it would need only a single matching stage. Of course we could do it in analog, and with regeneration we might  get (in principle) an infinite input impedance, but the circuitry would be a monster.

I recall OBE flights down the street where I used to get tangled up in the power lines. That and people's phones, doorbells and lights blinking suggest that an electrical pickup might be appropriate.

What I'd personally like to see is a decnt theory with which to work, plus someone who is good with this kind of thing to work on it. If I can get moved in (I just changed residences after 16 years) in the next 6 months or so I might be able to do some of this. I got some long plastic pipes to use as accoustical resonators, but am still sitting with insufficient direction.

d

Dave-

Suggestion- since Bruce has been working on this project for several years, why not communicate with him and offer your help?

I was hoping he would chime in re. this topic by now, but maybe if you sent him an e-mail he would be more inclined to discuss it.

R

Hi Rondele-
I figure that if Bruce wants to work with me he'll say so , but he's got a lot of other activities that he is involved in. I see no reason to be pushy. - And, in all honesty, I have no solutions, only speculative thoughts on design.

In my estimation, what's needed is mostly a theoretical posture from which to proceed. A gizmo that can only be worked by a competent medium seems to me to be pretty pointless. If the medium is competent, then a crystal ball would be equally useful, or perhaps simply going into trance the way most mediums do. The machine has to be built to suit the unenlightened and opposing attitudes of the rest of the world. To seek involvement with others to build a machine that can't as yet be described doesn't seem very useful.  I'm available to anyone who wants to play with it, but I too have work that keeps me moderately busy, and wouldn't want to idle away the hours discussing the whichness of whatever.

dave

As Bruce hasn't chimed in with any comments, can anyone tell me where (website/post..) I can read more about what he says he's doing? What makes anyone think he believes he is making progress with this?

Yes Dave, using nowaday's fast "cycling" computers for this sort of "overdubbing" is a fascinating approach.

And yes, I guessed very high impedance is what we need. But it is very difficult to get noise /and unwanted resonances under control then. Even with differential ("balanced") circuits we will have problems at this very high impedance, and very high frequences. That's the field of radio receiver specialists (as I am more the low frequency guy, you know what a musician needs to get loud...).

Spooky

Most dabblers in altered states of consciousness are rightly wary of Ouija boards.  In my experience, those who play with it eventually receive menacing contacts from "Hell," "fallen angels," and malevolent discarnate spirits.  Several possession cases sometimes result from deceptive communications from the board.  

It is important to ask a basic question about the safety and validity of all tape machines and other esoteric devices and methods of experiencing after-life communications. One should ask: why do I assume that this device or method protects me from contact with the unsavory elements that seek me out through the Ouija board?  What protection do I have with this device or method that I lack with a Ouija board?  Such questions are not always easy to answer with certitude.  I suppose the best we can do is note the absence of negative experiences with this or that technique.  Of course, one can do a preliminary meditation or prayer asking for protection with any device.  But this does not always seem to work with a Ouija board.  When we open our minds to manipulation by unknown forces, unpleasant experiences can menace us even when we have a definite benign target in mind to contact.

Don

Spooky & Don - Let's assume for a moment that what we are, at least from the standpoint of a wave mechanic, is a bundle of coherent waves that remain in phase throughout a limited interval of time called a "lifetime". Then what is going to happen when we "die" is that we simply go out of phase with respect to the immediate continuum. Of course, if we could take a different perspective in phase space we could re-establish coherence, which is presumably what happens in the spirit phase of life. - The idea is sort of like two guitar strings slightly out of tune that resonate a "beat" tone due to interference.

Given that kind of phenomenon, what we're likely to get is noise - and the noise that is most coherent at any instant might actually get through the machie in a useful manner. But there's no way to filter out the bad guys and only let the good ones through. It's like a political caucus held in a large auditorium - what we want to have is the audio part (to hear) but then there's the taurus part (the bull). :-)  -  In fact, on today's telly we have a lot of examples ...

Whatever this thing can do, if it does anyting, needs to be taken with a healthy dose of salt.

Personally, I'd settle for something that would facilitate helping a spirit to stay put long enough to work out some kind of message coding - even as simple as  blinking lights or hissing or clicking etc. I am willing to bet that the best that we can do will be more or less a psychic prosthesis to expand our abilities in that regard, as opposed to  "talking to dead people on the phone". - One example, John Edwards, whose abilities are pretty good, receives imagery, not words.  

It could be that the resonances naturally arising in a sea shell would be equally good as anything we could build.

d

I don’t have a particularly developed left brain—I’m definitely not an engineer type, so I may be completely off on some of these musings.   But I was wondering why such a device, couldn’t theoretically function like a radio, in that it scans a certain range of frequencies (obviously a much faster vibration range than radio waves), tunes into, and locks on a specific frequency allowing those Souls who are consciously intune with that frequency to communicate in a more ‘earthly’ manner’?   Many spiritual sources say that one of the more objective differences between a so called undeveloped soul, and a mature soul is the rate of vibration that they are consciously intune with and emanating fields of.   And the faster the vibration, the closer to Source reality.  

This is why in aura speak, a person with a predominantly say, violet or golden aura, is said to be much more spiritually intune, aware, and more mature than a person with a predominantly red aura who probably has pretty strong materialistic and selfish tendencies.  But then again, there are aura indications, and core soul color indications, and these aren’t necessarily the same thing though similar in basic concept.

 If this is possible, it would by pass the whole issue of communicating with consciousnesses who aren’t particularly positive, etc., because one could limit their tuning of the ‘dial’ to that of only higher frequencies within that range.   For example, you tune into only those consciousnesses that are primarily operating from the latter part of 4th Center and up?    Believe it or not, this also relates a lot to channeling, and why its so important to listen to channels whose own development (not their guides) is fairly spiritually intune as well.

 Also, I don’t know how true this is in reality, but from some metaphysical and channeled sources, there is info given which says that all energy directly connected to the Earth life system, runs in cycles or octaves of 7.   Which is interesting that TMI labels the Galactic Core focus level, focus 49, which is 7 times 7.   Many sources state that there are 7 main energy centers/dimensions, which also have 7 subdimensions contained within each major dimensional level.     Anyways, if all of the above is true, then I guess a person who is good at consciously tapping into the nonphysical, could communicate with some guides and find out the frequency ranges that a device would need to tune into, in order to by pass more negative and/or misleading info and consciousnesses.     How a physical device could actually tune into such fast vibrating wavelengths to begin with, I have no idea.

This idea still seems to me to be a sort of psychic prosthesis for those of us who are metaphysically challenged. Since I'm about as psychic as a mud fence, this has a certain appeal. It also fits into the idea that prior efforts have marginally succeeded, but only when used by people with psychic skills.

I've been looking at situations in which I felt as if I had some kind of contact with other personalities. They invariably involve echoes, reverberations, cyclic patterns of some sort and the like. For example, sitting by a gurgling stream and relaxing, the sound of the water tends to turn into a medly of voices, all out of synchrony, but all talking just the same. The water, for its part, is making an endless succession of eddies, whirlpools, ripples and so on, all of which repeat, as well as the superficial changes due to wind and other circumstances.

The specific justification for my belief that resonances are involved is from the theory of knowledge, that information is created in the mind by repetitive cycles that bring together prior thoughts with later thoughts, making up new thoughts. We then filter these to get what we want. This has been pretty well proven. (I can give references if needed.)

My feeling is that the essence of the creative personality lies in this dynamic, that we are the movers of the cycles, and that anything that can duplicate this knd of process should be able to support a "mind".  An example of "minds" being transplanted in a roughly analogous manner is the way that entities attach to the living. They find attachment in shared concepts, especially strong emotional states like love, hate, lust etc. When they relax this identification they go off into the light, from which they can return if there are receptive minds to allow them in.

Since the dynamic to which the entity attaches is the cycling of ideas through the mind of the host, I suggest that all we need to do is to cycle entities through some sort of "artificial mind". A suitable way to build one of these would involve resonators, which is where I left off previously in discussing it with Snoopy.

Instead of being a "telephone" with call forwarding, this would become an artificial embodiment in which spooks might  hang out, much as we hang out on the forum, and through which they might focus themselves.  I would then expect that the output from the resonators might form sounds, leaving it up to us to interpret them. Considering that it takes a person a while to learn to talk, this might not be an output in words, but I'd be thrilled if I could get a ghost to grunt or sigh at me in response to questions.

I wonder if this would lead to crank calls?
d

In the past, Bruce has stated that he is not free to discuss the technical details of this project out of consideration for the peope who have invested in this project. (think 'patent').

I'm trying to see if ghost hunters use any special equipment when they try to record unusual sounds. Of course, this is a step removed (..a big step) from chatting over a device with an entity not in C1, but if these folks made any technical gains then those bit of expertise might be applicable to this other project.

http://www.afterlife-knowledge.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?num=1193353482

I can't hear anything that unusual but I don't have headphones. Besides you would have to be there to know no faking was going on.

http://www.epicparanormal.com/audio.htm

Can't wait for the day I can play phone tag with a non-bodied entity.

For those who like me don't know anything about recording stuff, much less about the alternative approaches our technical intelligentsia are discussing, here's some basic info on what some people use:

http://www.aaevp.com/techniques/techniques_evp9.htm

Lucy-

Another reason Bruce might be reluctant to discuss his device is the potential danger presented by radical Islam and other similar groups.

Suppose he perfects his device and the world knows that so many of the beliefs now propagated....and died on behalf of...are false.

Bruce would be a target big time.  

Only Ed would be safe in such an environment.

I'd be more fearful of radical christianity and Big Government.

The impact of LSD in the 1960's era was to point out the futility of hatred and strife, and the value of love and cooperation. This unstabilized faith in the government's wisdom of waging war, deceiving the populace, and generally propagating hatred - as a result of which social conditions changed, people lost power, some groups rebelled and rioted, and in many cities, the National Guard was out with tanks and guns. In Berkeley, where I was living, many people were killed, and far more maimed by being shot by the troops.

A really effective psychic machine would be even more terrifying to government materialists.

dave

AN ACTUAL TRANSCRIPT RECORDED ON BRUCE'S COMPLETED ADC DEVICE:

"This is a recording from your electronIc spirit control.  For your convenience, a dial-up system has been established to make it easier to contact your party.  If you wish to contact a party in Hell, just dial "666."  Your party may be unavailable due to their self-imposed torments.  In that case, just leave your message at the sound of the shrieks and he/she will get back to you as soon as possible.  Be advised, that this is an open line.  So spirit impersonators may contact you instead and may not use this marvelous device.  They may get back to you through psychokinetic experiences, nightmares, apparitions, and even possession.  But don't have a cow over this.  At least, you will eventually receive some sort of response and this will prove that the Moenite device actually works."

"Be warned that you may reach a fragment of an oversoul that has already reincarnated.  So you may reach your deceased father and he may respond, "Who the hell are you?"  But don't sweat such a response.  Eventually, your Dad will die, return, and reintegrate with his total Self.  Then he will be in a position to answer his voice mail.  Actually, those heavenbound types tell us that all such communications are either demonic impersonators or feeds from the unconscious memories of discarnates whose merger with your soul is mistaken for genuine contact with your loved one.  But don't worry.  We are still working to eliminate the kinks in our system.  So keep trying and wait for our upgrades."

"If you wish to reach someone in a Hollow Heaven, then just dial "0."  If your party is not available, then just leave a message after the sound of the televangelist's voice.  If you wish to reach someone in a real Heaven, then just dial 7.  If your party is out performing a retrieval or some other act of intervention in troubled earthly lives, then just leave a message at the sound of the harps and trumpets.  If you hear excessive static, then you may be experiencing vibrational interference.  Remember, your frequency must vibrate in a similar pattern to that of the party you wish to contact."  

Don

;D  am I right in thinking you are a tiny bit skeptical about this idea...?   LOL I thought the title of the post was genuine at first

Collective sigh of relief, "At last, something we can understand!"

Thanks, Don, I feel much better about it all now. I see that I have mind-boggling clarity to look forward to....as per the usual.

love, blink :)

Look Blink... you posted at 4:44!

The angels are surrounding you now, reassuring you of their love and help. Don't worry because the angels' help is nearby.

Love, Kathy  :D

Don-

I've been trying to figure out how many people, since the dawn of mankind, have died.  Any idea?  I presume somewhere in the billions.

That means Bruce will need to somehow identify all of them in order to assign them phone numbers.  After all, I might want to chat with a relative of mine from the 7th century and not just my mom or dad.

This is a daunting task.  Perhaps someone can visit the Hall of Knowledge, and let us (esp Bruce) know how this can be accomplished.

Sign me
Waiting for Godot

I found a site that estimates the number since 1 million BC (about when roughly modern looking humans evolved) as 96 trillion

http://www.math.hawaii.edu/~ramsey/People.html

Wow that's a load of phone numbers!  

Also, just think of how many languages that represents, not to mention that cavemen used cave drawings to communicate.

I hope Bruce's device can translate for us!  Not just by converting thoughts into voices we can hear, but also in pictographs so our cavemen ancestors can understand us.

We live in exciting times!  I just hope Ed Carter hasn't reincarnated. :)

I know some of these responses are "tongue-in-cheek" (not serious), but let us keep in mind that whenever you use a real telephone, you often will not get the person you are calling.  Sometimes the number has been disconnected.  Other times the person is not near a phone.  Why should the afterlife be any different?

It has been said by various mediums and spiritualists that as one progresses in the afterlife, one "ascends" to different planes.  The Spiricom device Don mentions is a perfect example where all communication ceased after a certain amount of earth time had elapsed.  

Thus, I believe that the idea that we could dial a phone number for any of the 96 trillion deceased is misguided.  More likely, the recently deceased would be reached if any.  The problem of imposters, low level spirits masquerading as a loved one would be a real issue - but true, verifiable communication would change forever mankind's perception of what happens when we die.


Matthew

It would, and I would like to see that happen. religious people usually say it can;t because then we'd have no need for "faith", what with faith being such a wonderful virtue an' all. I really don;t see what harm it would do. It would just make people feel freer and happier and less materialistic.

I recall the Greek equivalent to the spirit telephone was more or less a spirit video system. It has been replicated using mirrors. In its modern form, the basic idea is to use a darkened room, and to look into a mirror for some period of time. Eventually visions appear, and we presumably can see whomever we have sought after.  I've been told that this also allows conversation, but I don't know how this would work. The original idea used a shallow pan of water into which one would look, whcih seems like a more reasonable idea, since it presents a "live" surface.

I've had very limited experience using water, mirrors and shiny metallic surfaces, and have noticed that there often seems to be a layer of particles of some kind lying just above the surface, through which it seemed possible to see something. Since my psychic abilities are roughly similar to those of your left shoe, I'm probably a poor example, but there seems to be some ability to enhance normal abilities to the point where something can be seen.

There are a few devices available that try to "trick the mind" into a psychic trance with blinking lights and hypnotic sounds. But to my knowledge, all of them actually send us into an alpha state, after which we're on our own. Otherwise, all that happens is lots of  blinking lights and sounds.

Monroe and various workers using a combination of mechanisms plus appropriate suggestions have done much better. These combinations seem to operate by mechanisms similar to formal regression hypnosis, although there is rarely more than superficial guidance once we finally arrve in trance.

I suspect that in an actual trance state it would be possible to conjur up a Cosmic Telephone Exchange capable of connecting to anyone.Whether this could be packaged is another question. However, practice with hypnotic regression indicates that a person can be easily trained to go into a trance state and into the spirit world to access some of the resources there. This suggests that the simplest approach might be through CDs that are frankly hypnotic, suggestive and specificaly focussed on that task. Then any machine that would provide further stimulii by which incoming events might be decoded would be adequate. As an example, a shallow pan of water in a darkened room - perhaps reflected in a wall mirror, so that leaning over it isn't necessary.

The theory behind that approach would be that the live water surface would somehow express the state of the universe, and the hypnotic state, however induced, would allow regenerative detection of the images desired in the same way that listening to a babbling brook (or similar sound) eventually seems to produce words.

I've had very poor luck with Monroe's binaural recordings, but well crafted hypnotic material should be successful for this kind of gizmo. Unfortunately, it seems unlikely that we could get it to print out each of the 19 trillion personal addresses of the dwellers in psychic space. hat's where ther Cosmic Phone Exchange is used - Just call up Directory Assistance with the name and some identifying data, and the connection should be easily made. - The next problem is what to do if we get an Astral Answering Machine.  :-/

dave

Orlando, remember that the Pope himself suggested that proof of an afterlife might be secured through improved EVP technology!  In my view, there is one promising potential that gets overlooked in this type of dicussion.  Natural evolution is surely just one type of evolution.  If homo sapiens evolved over 8 million years of primate evolution, then the spiritual realm no doubt played an important role in that evolution.  ES suggests as much in his writings on the interactions between discarnate and earthly life.  

Increasing interest in the idea of developing practical ways of verifying and contacting the afterlife territories may gradually alter the priorities of discarnate humans in structuring and shaping various astral planes.  The idea of rigorous procedures or technologies to promote
ADCs may spark an astral evolution that makes this potential an idea whose time has come.  God seems to restrain "Himself" in deference to human creative urges and new initiatives.

Don

Hi

Sorry, I misread the noughts on that site -- it is a measly 96 billion so maybe the phone book doesn't have to be so big after all  ;)

One thing I just thought though - it seems reasonable to assume we should only be able to contact relatively recently-deceased people, who've not found something better to do yet, but then isn't time supposed to work differently from here (or not at all?) in the spirit world? Would that have an efect??  :-?

dave_a_mbs wrote on Nov 14^th, 2007 at 5:08pm:

I recall the Greek equivalent to the spirit telephone was more or less a spirit video system. It has been replicated using mirrors. In its modern form, the basic idea is to use a darkened room, and to look into a mirror for some period of time. Eventually visions appear,

I believe Moody is now prmoting this idea, or something like it? I am a bit dubious about him ever since reading a book called The Last laugh , which I notice is not mentioned on his own website these days. It was a bizzare offering, apparently, in his words, containing mainly material that his editor cut out of the original version of Life After Life (an editor who knew theri job...). It waffles on tediously and incomprehensively about how he does not think NDEs are proof of life after death and that they are best seen in the context of play, humour and entertainment. I couldn;t see what point he was trying to make. I am sur many fans of his first groundbreaking book were diappointed with it.

Pre-Moody the water gazing/mirror watching  etc was known  as "scrying" I think. I have tried this sort of thing once or twice, but not had results. But I'm probably not much more psychic than your left shoe either dave!

Berserk2 wrote on Nov 14^th, 2007 at 5:33pm:

God seems to restrain "Himself" in deference to human creative urges and new initiatives. Don

Interesting suggestions Don. maybe so.
I have also read material suggesting the RCC has at one point or another giving a tentative go-ahead to certain types of afterlife research (as long as done by suitably trained and orthodox clergymen, I believe). I'm not sure to what extent they admit this as a general public policy?

I also read at one point that the CofE comissioned a report into contact with the dead (I think mainly with regard to Spiritualism) which was positive towards this possibilty (though I'm not sure they actually encouraged it) but I seem to recall it was somewhat suppressed by the church hierarchy at the time

dave - i forgot the name, but there's a book where someone recommends using a crystal ball to see/contact dead relatives

as for the 96 trillion number, well for one thing, why would numbers be an obstacle in the afterlife?  also as far as cavemen...  it's apparent that spirits can communicate in whatever language or fashion they choose.  evidence for this is dead children still looking/talking/acting like children, even though obviously their spirit is not a "child."

seeker-

Maybe a more advanced version of Bruce's phone will also transmit a picture of those in the afterlife with whom we're chatting.

Seems to me that would be the next logical step.

I've also read that our pets survive death.  If so, I wonder if we will be able to communicate with them via the phone?  

Good thing Bruce loves challenges.  Heck, Verizon can't even fix the static problem we have on our phones much less hook us up to the dead.

On the recently added index of internet links forums (Paranormal Audio Recordings) I have posted some links about a device, called Spiricom, that successfully demonstrated real-time voice communication with a couple deceased people.  There are links to audio recordings of some of the conversations that took place using Spiricom.  There is a link to a report written by the developers that contains information about Spiricom's history, developmet, operating theory, schematic diagrams, etc.

The Spiricom device was successfull at demonstrating that such devices are possible.  But, it appears that something about the nature of its design caused it to be dependent on a specific, gifted, operator.   My feeling is that this factor is in the design of the antenna system. The intent of the device I am working on is that it can function at least as well as Spiricom with less dependence a "gifted" operator to allow its use by a much larger percentage of the population.  Ideally anyone could walk into WalMart and buy one for twenty bucks, take it home, plug it in, and use it to talk to deceased friends and loved ones and others.

I am sure that some folks will say, how do we know that Spiricom wasn't a hoax?  Some will say that since it could possibly be a hoax it therefore must be a hoax and is worthless as an example of the possibility that such devices can possibly exist.  That kind of illogical arguement may be swallowed by some, but it serves no useful purpose (in my opinion) in terms of the development of improved versions of such devices except to stiffle such development to satisfy someone's belief that such devices are possible.

As for myself I chose to leave the question of Spiricom's reality an open question, with the possibility that something learned from it might be used in future development of future such devices.

Have a look and have a listen.  Maybe some of you electronic types would like to discuss this further?  Let's communicate via the Spiricom thread on the new forum.

Hello Bruce,
I have not 'formerly' met you.  I am Old Dood.
I am looking forward to my Christmas gifts.  I know my wife bought me your books.
We know pretty much what we give each other save a few surprises.
25 years of marriage does that. :)

I see no reason for such a device not to be possible or to work.
I firmly believe 'we' have tech from beings outside of this planet that 'we' have have back engineered and kept most of the good toys from the public.
Zero-Point Energy being one of them.

I have no problem with any device of this nature.  I look forward to purchasing such a device when they become available.
However, I will never buy one at 'Wal-Mart'. hehe! I would assume they would cost a lot more then $20.00 too.

Hello Bruce

I didn't see the thread you refer to just now, when I looked on the Visitor's Links forum (if that's where you meant?).

So, is there sufficient existing information to know how that previous device worked/how it was built? is your one an adaptation of it, essentially?

What are the principles behind it?

It would be mind-blowingly good if your machine worked reliably.

Best

Oliver

Orlando,

It's under Organizied Internet Information Links.  You should see the new set of forums in the middle of the main page.  

:)

Oliver,

The post is on one of the new forums, the path to it is:

Conversation Board › Organized Internet Information Links Index › Paranormal Audio Recordings

Here's a direct link:  http://www.afterlife-knowledge.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?num=1197399527  to the thread.

The link to the "Spiricom Report" gives a great deal of information about the device's history, development, operating theory, how the various prototypes were built,  etc.  There are also links to audio recordings of conversations using the device.

I did not discover the information about the Spiricom device until long after I had begun development of the device I have been working on.  I have incorporated some of the concepts used by the Spiricom device into later prototypes of mine.

This device was operating several years ago.  In the opening statement of the Report the developers give a very good synopsis of the state of the art at the time the Report was written.  Their successful results were sporadic, but when you listen to the audio recordings of conversations those successful results are pretty spectacular.  Very clear, intelligible voice can be heard mixed in with the sounds of a set of audio tones the device used that sound a little a bagpipe player stuck on one note.

The report was written to give as much information as possible to potential developers of future, improved-repeatability devices.  If a device with the same voice quality could be developed that worked reliably and repeatably that would be a world-shaker.  

See what you think after reading through the report.

Bruce

Re. my post on the Golden compass, which film has the powers of egotism and authoritarianism seeking to hijack a newly invented device which allows communication with other realities to enforce their own view. (to close down higher knowing or intuition)

:) Could (slightly tongue in cheek) this be it? Can it be playing out broadly as the film suggests? Any men in black lurking around in the background???

Thanks for replying Bruce. I will take a look at the info you provided. It would be good to know more about where you are at with your own project - what success you've had so far and what is lacking; how long you think it's going to take before you have a viable machine you can go public with etc. Anyway, I expect you will update us in due course.

   Great thread [smiley=thumbup.gif]  My husband has been in electronics for 45 years, with the phone company for 20 years, and may have a new idea --- if you would like me to ask him.  He's retired now, so he has plenty of time to research and explore.  
We all know that sound never dis-emanates; it continues for eternity. All that needs to be done is to develop a device which translates that sound into an audible and comprehensive form  from an ether dimension into our dimension.  As in Star Trek--- a devise that translates other "Languages" into one that is familiar to our ear.    :P
Bob Monroe mentions in one of his books that he perceived a "time" when his grandson would pick up the receiver of an ACD and speak to him in the HereAfter.  (Can't remember which book--- it's been 10 years since I've read the series.)
   My grand daughter, Sara (2 years 9 months) speaks to husband Paul's deceased mother on a spare phone we have. The phone is not connected, and Sara calls MiMi and has whole conversations with her. She then hands the receiver to me, and the "dead" sound on the other end hurts my ears.  I say my hello and "feel" her presence, but no verbal communication directly to me at this time.  
Good luck to you, Bruce. It is a clever device and a long awaited one at that!   ;)
Happy Holidays to All.  Love and Hugs--- Carol Ann

[quote author=Berserk2 link=1193491751/15#22 date=1193942320]Most dabblers in altered states of consciousness are rightly wary of Ouija boards.  In my experience, those who play with it eventually receive menacing contacts from "Hell," "fallen angels," and malevolent discarnate spirits.  Several possession cases sometimes result from deceptive communications from the board.  
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Just one problem here, Donster...
Would not such "damned" spirits be too busy being TORTURED, to play
such pranks on unsuspecting mortals?
Think about it. If "Hell" exists and they are in it, they are miserable beyond our wildest human imaginations. Think about the last time you had the flu... you didn't want to do anything but lay there and groan, right? (And is not how these spirits feel on a GOOD day in "Hell", a billion times worse than the flu with a 103-degree fever??? Assuming "Hell" is really hellish!)
So how is it that spirits in "Hell" would have the energy/gumption to perform ingenious tricks on the living? I hope I've given you some food for thought here...

B-maestro

:o It would be a step up the ladder for sure! However I forsee it not being made available for the "public", ergo it will not be "promoted" as being real but rather a game such as the Oiji Board. Bruce will encounter much wind providing it works like a mobilphone. Ideal would be for Bruce to take precautions and double up on material and since its been documented here on the board already at least lots of right kind of people "know" about it, thats a very good precautionary measure.

Keeping in mind all of the PSI material/tools and other so called extra terrestrial devices amoungst our world already, I am convinced that the possibility of "tapping" into other dimensions, other worlds and other realms exsists already, yet only for few. Bruce's destiny may be the need to be put together with other afterlife science personell so to complete the project.

Its not a one person project. However the question is, is it the "right time frame for this project", as in the leap of consciousness level of mankind" is yet still in toddler shoes. What harm can be done with such a device if in the hands of a madman? Sort of like a Pinky and Brain kind of ordeal. Wisdom comes with responsibilty.

Ergo, will the "mass consciousness" use it to help many or to harm many as like already with other tools in knowledge?

Sure, I would love to be able to contact the afterlife using my telephone, however if we are allowed as mindkind to take such a step, then I am sure that it will not be until "we" have reached a certain level of "intercontinental understanding, respect, love for another and upmost care"...

Are we there yet.... in my understanding "NO", of all the things we seem to "know" about the different types of spirits in the afterlife, even those in the near earth realm, we can say that some of the spirits also still have to learn the meaning of "forgiveness" in their own realm.

Which means to me that not every spirit should be allowed to phone with someone else here, its pending on the consciousness level of that spirit and simutainiously that of the human being. Imagine it to be "real", what would your questions to the other reciepiant be? Now imagine an ego driven human being, whom has no interest in soul life but rather in ego life, calling up asking about foreign world technologies, harmful foreign technologies and getting the answer to his/her questions!

Wide over 1/2 of our world doesnt even know how to practice AGAPE, otherwise there wouldnt still be this "interracial hate", nor would there be these "governments which take from others what is not rightfully theirs" - etc. pp. Those of us that do understand it need to multiply ourselves by means of "teaching".

I believe and hope we have to work on ourselves before such will be allowed.

Hugs,
Nanner

Excellent Post Nanner....

Very good points....