I had a really neat dream a few nights ago.  I'm not sure what it means.  First, let me explain a few things and then I’ll describe the dream.

1).  I’ve been re-reading Bruce Moen’s first book Voyages Into The Unknown.  I just felt like re-reading all of his books to make him feel close.  I miss him!  It’s been fun; there’s a lot I’ve forgotten about since it’s been many years since I read it.  He talked about his first lucid dream in which he saw a very, very tall being that looked like a mix of races.  He called out “Who are you?” but didn’t get an answer.  I can’t remember if he comes back to this later in the book??  I’m only about 60 pages in right now.  But there are similarities between his dream and mine.

2).  I’ve had many dreams of meeting spirit guides over the years.  These aren’t regular dreams.  They’re also not lucid dreams, not like a typical LD.  I’m lucid in them but I’m more than just consciously aware; I also know that it’s a special and spiritual experience.  I’m aware that the person is a guide.  Anyway, back in the day I called these “conscious dreams” because I didn’t know what else to call them. 

3).  A few nights ago I set intention to have one of these “dreams” and meet a guide.  It’s just fun, and interesting.  Anyway, it worked.  I have no idea what it really means, but it was WAY cool.

Ok, here’s the dream:

I first was having just a normal dream.  I think I was like on vacation or something.  I was staying at some stranger's house, but it was like a cabin.  It was like a bed and breakfast type of place I guess.  There were other people I didn’t know.  At one point I was on the front porch where we were just kind of hanging out and talking, when I saw three really big unusual-looking bugs.  I kind of freaked out and asked, “What are those?” and someone said, “They’re just bugs.”  I like bugs, so I thought “oh ok” and tried to pick one of them up. 

Then we went inside and I’m walking through the halls and into my room.  I walked past a door which led to the back of the house and I suddenly felt like someone was behind me, so I turned around.  I saw a strange-looking man.  He paused, looked right at me obviously to hold my attention, and then he went out the back door.  I was so curious about him for some reason, like I just had to know who he was.  So I opened the door and went outside onto a small landing.  As soon as I went through the door the dream changed.  I was in that state where I knew I was aware, knew it wasn’t just a dream, but wasn’t physical reality either, but was that strange in-between reality where what I’m experiencing feels so real and I know that on some level it is, it's just not physical reality.   

There were steps that led down to the ground, so we were on a second-floor level.  The man was standing there, and I could tell he was there waiting for me.  He knew I’d follow him.  I wasn't afraid.  I felt a connection to him but I didn't know why.

The colors and vividness of this experience was so rich and real and clear, dark and surreal.  He looked up into the night sky at a full moon.  Then he looked at me.  I said, “Who are you?”  because I remembered Bruce had a similar experience in his book and he had demanded "who are you?"  But the man didn't answer me.

He was taller and larger than a normal man but not as tall and large as Bruce had described in his book.  He looked humanoid but different.  He didn’t have eyes like a normal human and he looked like a mix of all nationalities.  He looked at me intently and held my upper arms in his hands as if to really make me hear how important his message was.  Then he spoke, but I couldn’t understand what he was saying because it was as if he were speaking a mixture of languages. 

On some level I realized I did understand him if I just let the message come through without focusing on his words, like he was giving me a download of information that I would later be able to sort out and understand.  I could feel him telling me that he knew it was hard for me to take this all in and accept but that he really needed me to understand.  I could feel myself begin to panic a little, afraid that I wouldn’t understand the message and its meaning, and he tried to calm me and reassure me that the knowledge of the message was inside me and that’s all that mattered. 

He wanted me to trust him and just stop struggling and just accept it, and I tried to tell him that I did trust him.  And I really did trust him because I could tell how special and important this was.  I was just afraid I wasn’t going to really take it all in and understand.  So to make it easier for me he gave me an analogy of what he meant of just letting go and just accepting and allowing myself to receive it. 

He said, “Would you swallow a bug?” And instantly a bug was in my mouth.  I spit it out and said no.  And he said that’s what it’s like, I’m resisting out of fear.  I realized he meant that my fear is what was holding me back from truly letting go.

He then instantly put a tiny metal screw in my mouth to show this is how hard it is for me to allow myself to take all of this in, but if I just let go and accept it, that’s all I needed to do.  So I did.  I let go of my fear and I swallowed it and immediately I felt everything change.  I felt myself raising and expanding.  I immediately began feeling myself getting pulled out of this experience.  I tried holding on because I wanted to stay.  I wanted to learn more about this very strange being.  I knew he was special.  I knew he was a guide who had something very special for me to know.  But I couldn’t stop from being pulled back to waking consciousness.  I immediately awoke.

I immediately remembered from the translations that “Big changes were coming” and I knew it was for the consciousness of mankind and it affected the universal consciousness as a whole.  I could remember him saying the words “Mother Earth”.  I feel like the meaning was that on some other level of reality, and not something we here on earth will directly experience.  I think it’s more in terms of, as the consciousness of mankind grows, it means big changes for consciousness in the universe as a whole, and that we were moving toward a shift in existence. 

I really wished I could have written down word for word what he told me. 

What a wonderful experience, Vicky! You have a combined sensitivity and curiosity to the flow of information emerging information within the experience. Thanks for sharing this. I enjoyed reading it.

I especially enjoyed how you simply set your intention and asked your question before going to sleep. And ... BOOM! Really good!  :)

Subtle Traveler wrote on Dec 14^th, 2017 at 12:29pm:

What a wonderful experience, Vicky! You have a combined sensitivity and curiosity to the flow of information emerging information within the experience. Thanks for sharing this. I enjoyed reading it. I especially enjoyed how you simply set your intention and asked your question before going to sleep. And ... BOOM! Really good!  :)

Thanks! 

It usually takes a strong, focused concentration and strong desire with an emotional need behind it in order to make things happen.  With this experience, I'd been desiring it for several days but wasn't really doing the work of trying to make it happen.  What I need to do is really concentrate each night as I am falling asleep, setting intention for the thing I want, rather than just allowing myself to fall asleep mindlessly.  On the night I had the dream I had gotten very emotional before falling sleep, really really wanting one of my guides to please communicate with me.  Nothing in particular, just wanting to feel their love and connection I guess.  So I think the strong desire is what worked. 

I do a combination of things.  First I have a specific request which is my intention, such as wanting to meet up with someone in a dream or OBE, or have an OBE in general, or have a lucid dream.  Then with that in mind, as I'm falling asleep I repeat to myself in my mind, "Tonight I will dream with conscious awareness."  As I get more sleepy and letting go I at least just remember "conscious awareness". 

I don't get hung up on the word "dream" because to me being in dream sleep just means that my brain and body are in a relaxed state and condition that's conducive to dreaming, OBEing, etc.  It doesn't have to mean specifically being in a dream or confined to a dream. 

We kind of sleep through most things we do in our waking life because our mind can be doing something else while we're physically doing things.  Hobbies and activities that we can do mindlessly are actually great ways to meditate or channel connections with guides or communicate with someone on the other side, or receive information psychically.  As long as your brainwaves are at least in a nice Alpha state it doesn't matter if you're physically awake and driving, mowing, drawing, playing music, walking, swinging, or whatever.  Especially daydreaming.  It's so good to practice daydreaming because it easily shifts your brain into Alpha brainwaves. 

Anyway, sorry for the long tangent.   ;)

Generally, it sounds like you built up some momentum first, and when it felt right, you pulled the trigger. Again, really good.

I am not practicing much recently (myself). I meditate daily. However, in reading your comments today, I agree with so many of your 'expanded points' in the 2nd comment - from dreaming to the importance of our focus. I feel encouraged to begin practicing again. Thanks.

Thank you Vicky for this. It's important.

Subtle Traveler wrote on Dec 14^th, 2017 at 4:32pm:

Generally, it sounds like you built up some momentum first, and when it felt right, you pulled the trigger. Again, really good. I am not practicing much recently (myself). I meditate daily. However, in reading your comments today, I agree with so many of your 'expanded points' in the 2nd comment - from dreaming to the importance of our focus. I feel encouraged to begin practicing again. Thanks.

I'm glad it was inspiring  :).   

Yes, I know I definitely had built up the momentum.  I like that, "pulled the trigger".  That's exactly spot on.  I remember Bruce Moen once telling me the same thing.  He said it's not enough just to intend and desire something.  You have to do something that sends it out there.  If not, that's like loading a sling shot, pulling back, but never letting go."  It was his analogy for putting yourself in the state of pure intent as a way of launching your intention. 

Vicky

Morrighan wrote on Dec 14^th, 2017 at 7:06pm:

Thank you Vicky for this. It's important.

Thanks Morrighan! 

I definitely want to meet this being again and will be working on it.

Hello Vicky, and thank you for sharing.

I've had this sort of experience numerous times. During ordinary dreams you aren't aware that you are dreaming, and things can happen that are contrary to your life in this world, without you questioning such occurrences.

During the type of experience you are speaking of you are aware of the fact that you are having a nonphysical experience, things seem quite real, and you remember the details of your life in this world.

When I have such experiences there is usually a guide present (I don't see this guide), and I wonder what to do, should I try to travel to some place. A number of times I have tried to join my Disk at their level (rather than to a limited extent), but instead things take place that show me my limitations, and what gets in the way of my joining my Disk.

The last time this happened was a week or two ago. I was in like an office with a guide and some other beings I am associated with. I thought about joining my Disk, but since that hadn't worked before, I tried to think of something else to do. I thought that just for the heck of it, I'd check out a heavenly realm. My guide and I walked to the window (a big window like you see on skyscrapers). I thought I would see a heavenly realm, but I instead flew over one. The place I flew over was larger than most of the other heavenly realms I've visited. Other realms tended to be smaller towns, or places where buildings weren't located. There was one occasion when I flew over what seemed like a modernistic city, but the place I flew over on this occasion was a large urban area, with very nice landscaping and lots of happy people below.

At about the same time, while in the office with my guide, we looked at something on the wall, that was supposed to be a name for one of my past incarnations. But this time I wasn't given the human name I have been given before. Instead I was given a name I can't remember, it wasn't a human name that I had heard before.

I've received clues before of perhaps having some alien connections. Perhaps I received another clue, and the same is true for you.

Skeptics might discount our experiences as nothing but hallucinations. The fact is, as you indicated, when you have such an experience, and you are with a guide, you know that something more than a hallucination is taking place.

I don't mean to discredit regular dreams. I suppose they happen for different reasons. I've analyzed thousands of my dreams, and have found that most of them are created by my higher self/spirit guidance. They serve a definite purpose. Sometimes regular dreams might serve the purpose of providing us with experiences that help us grow, quite often they contain messages.

In many cases it is preferable to have a regular dream rather than a dream where you become lucid,  because your higher self/guidance can work with you more easily during a regular dream. During a lucid dream, you might try to control everything, and then wonder what to do.

Years ago I used to have OBEs with the effects such as the vibratory state and the sense of swooshing out of my body, but that no longer happens. I don't believe that such effects are necessary.

Hey Albert!  I think so too that the vibration effects aren’t necessary.  I remember back when I got the vibrations all the time but I don’t know why they stopped.  It could be because they scared me and that’s why I don’t get them anymore, or maybe it’s because I learned something by having those experiences and now I don’t need them anymore.

I wish I was more creative when these kinds of dreams happen, but I never think to try to do anything or even ask anything.  I wish I did.  I usually just feel so in awe that I’m not really thinking, just taking it all in. 

I’m actually the same way in Lucid Dreams and in OBEs.  I’m just in such shock that I’m consciously aware that I’m kind of in awe, like maybe afraid to move for fear of knocking myself out of the experience. 

I just definitely need more practice and maybe planning things beforehand. 

Vicky, I think it is possible that our higher self etc has effects take place so we know something is happening. Once we realize effects aren't needed in order for something to take place, they stop happening.

A number of years ago I remember having lucid dreams, and I'd go OBE with effects. Therefore, I went from OBEs, to Lucid dreams where I'd go OBE, to lucid dreams without OBE effects.

The cool thing about the effects OBEs was the excitement, wondering where I would go. I liked the sensation of flying through energetic tunnels. I didn't feel afraid (well, maybe a little). On some occasions I'd try to go somewhere. On one occasion I thought to go to where my Soul group is located, and I flew loops around what looked like clusters of stars. Suddenly I was on a planet and in the water of a lagoon that was surrounded by very pretty green cliffs. There were  Jellyfish like animals in the water, and I was one of them. They didn't look like the Jellyfish you see in this world, each creature was one color. Some were bright red, some were bright green, some bright blue. I'm not certain what this meant, possibly that our souls experience different types of lives.

If I remember correctly, Robert Monroe eventually stopped having the sensation of leaving his body, when he had his nonphysical experiences.

Another thought. As is true with OBEs with effects, I found during lucid dreams it is necessary to not think of your physical body too much, because you might phase out of the experience. When you combine this factor with trying to figure out what to do, sometimes it is difficult to come up with a good idea of where to go or what to find out.

Albert,

Well in waking life I often find it hard to just come up with something off the top of my head so I'm not surprised it happens to me in an OBE as well. 

I didn't really think about it until you brought it up, but yeah after the vibrations phase quit happening, then I'd just find myself somewhere sometimes with complete amnesia, having no clue what was going on because I had memory of how I got there, and then it would finally dawn on me that I was having an OBE.  And then most of the time I wouldn't even think of what to do.  A lot of wasted opportunities.  But you know, there's always the awe factor going on.

Now that I think about it, I've had a lot of short OBEs where I would find myself in my bathroom, just standing there.  Then I'd think, "What am I doing?"  Then I'd look down and see the rug wasn't straight so I'd straighten it.  Then I'd look in the mirror and think, "Wow I look kinda tired."  Then I'd just stand there trying to remember what time it is, or what day it is, or what I came into the bathroom for, and then I'd finally realize I was having an OBE.  Pretty boring, LOL.  That usually just makes me come right back to my body, but one time I remember seeing the cord that everyone talks about.  I followed it back to my bedroom and when I saw my body I woke up. 

Ok, this conversation is really making me want to go write down a list of things I would really want to do or try while OBEing. 

I'm gonna go start that list  :P 

Just now (see timestamp on this post) noticed your skill has gone up, Vicky.

Morrighan wrote on Dec 17^th, 2017 at 10:13pm:

Just now (see timestamp on this post) noticed your skill has gone up, Vicky.

Thanks.  But I'm not sure what you mean about the timestamp.  What am I missing? 

Vicky wrote on Dec 18^th, 2017 at 12:02am:

Morrighan wrote on Dec 17th, 2017 at 10:13pm: Just now (see timestamp on this post) noticed your skill has gone up, Vicky. Thanks.  But I'm not sure what you mean about the timestamp.  What am I missing?

The timestamp is the record of when a post is posted and appears at the top of the post. I mention it in observation of the precise moment I noticed you skilled up.

I posted my observation of your skill up at 21:13 (9:13 pm) UTC -5.  That means if you are able to hold in your consciousness where you were just prior to that moment on UTC -7, then you will be able to find your own verification of what I observe.

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Unrelated story (sure it's unrelated)

When Tara achieved [enlightenment / was awakened / however you wish to language it], the event flashed out across the inner planes. Spiritual masters in whatever form felt the event in their consciousness because that's the way it works. They all traveled to find the individual who reached this accomplishment.

They found Tara and told her: "good for you! Now you can re-embody as a male and take your rightful place in the world."

Tara replied: No, I achieved this as a woman and as a woman I remain.

[lots of drama follows, as one might guess]

The tale of Tara's awakening ^ contains major fallacies of interest to this community.

The first is the idea that one must hold the highest ordained spiritual achievement to be sensitive to events / downloads etc. We recall Bruce claimed himself to be an ordinary guy and, though his writings makes it clear that any who wish can access the so-called subtle worlds.

The next fallacy embedded in the tale is the implied notion that only major events are big enough to be noticed by the properly attuned.

Another fallacy embedded by implication in the telling that still holds common currency (and refuted in the tale) is angels are closer to Source than men, and that men are closer to Source than women. To me, the notion of spiritual hierarchies is pernicious. Tara of course refutes in her embodiment any notion of fixed limits of achievement  ;D

M

hi Morrighan ...

I am curious. Is this 'tale of Tara' in a book or series?

I like what you are pointing to.

Hi Subtle Traveler,

Tara is venerated by (some but not all) Hindus and (some but not all) Buddhists. Her tale came to my field some years ago in the context of a wider initiation with someone who I no longer hold any association with.

If we are to ask about Tara, we might ask which Tara. she holds 23 aspects. The two most well-known are as White Tara and Green Tara. Green Tara is often pictured in her abode as a fully awakened being.

No connection exists that I am aware of between the 23 Taras of Buddhist tradition and Liathdroim (the Hill of Tara) in County Meath, Ireland. I know 'cause I went there and looked for myself  :P   That's something else entirely.

Thanks, Morrighan. That clarifies.

I got "sparked" by your 23 aspects reference. That's what I have found for myself - that I have many aspects (e.g., lives) which I extended from to here in 3D. I have met 5 or 6 of my own aspects in the last year or so after meeting my primary guide in 2015 in an OBE.

I do know a bit about the green and white Tara you are talking about (from Tom Kenyon's work). She is referenced in Indian alchemy much the same as Isis was a figure in Egyptian alchemy (e.g., the sex magic of Isis). I talk about it this way as I tend to lean towards Egyptian alchemy myself (if I practice alchemy).

It is curious to me that all the energy alchemies (Eqyptian, Indian, Chinese) seemed to be prevalent and then disappear about the same time in our earth history. I mention that because you seem to know this stuff.

And, I did not know there was an Irish Tara (but that's too many tara's for me ... 23 is enough ... lol). Thanks again for answering my query.  :)

Thanks Morrighan for your insightful posts. 

And thank you to you both.

Vicky, the thrust of this (apparent) thread drift is that I noticed you skilled up, because, um, you showed me and I noticed that. And thus the invocation of Tara's story, for it both illustrates the dimensions of personal progress and how that progress plays in the field of "others".

And so mentioned in the observation that this board is an excellent resource for Real Time sharings. Which is to say I / You / We can share rolling good stories of retrievals we have done. Perhaps that inspires some to take up the craft. I feel what is more appropriate to this medium is sharing what we are personally present to.

As regards my experience of Tara: one becomes present to Tara by being in resonance with Tara. Seeking Tara is a failed exercise. Nor is it useful to ask/demand/petition Tara to come to you. When one is resonant with Tara, there she is, same as always. It's not that complicated. Your mileage may vary, offer not good in all states, see a doctor if symptoms persist for more than five hours.

And to push this a bit further, as regards "being in resonance with":

We're told how Parsifal was kicked out of the Kingdom of the Holy Grail for being a fool. An innocent fool. He spent years seeking the way back. He finally gave up and dropped his reins on his horses' neck. And was instantly back in the Kingdom of the Holy Grail.

As useful an analogy that it might be, it is important to know it is only a story. We are free when we put the book back on the shelf.

Morrighan wrote on Dec 20^th, 2017 at 5:17pm:

And thank you to you both.

Hey Morrighan ...

The other day after our exchange (which I enjoyed) I was in my home office putzing around and pondering this thread, when I saw an orb out of the right corner of my vision (moving right). I am NOT clairvoyant, so when get a glimpse of this kind of stuff I immediately consider who I have interacting with.

Since I was in the midst of pondering our exchange here ... I was curious ... was that you or your doing?

Hello Subtle Traveler who is now known as Subtle Traveler across many realms,

My normal appearance is usually perceived as something other than an orb, if that helps. It's best for you to have a look at your state of being at that moment for a complete answer.

OK. Thanks.

I should probably clarify that it was more like a dot of light (a mini-star with sparkle). Orb is very particular (wrong word), and it was not that.

Yeah, I did check my energy and perception (but that is a good reminder).

Subtle Traveler wrote on Dec 21^st, 2017 at 4:48pm:

OK. Thanks. I should probably clarify that it was more like a dot of light (a mini-star with sparkle). Orb is very particular (wrong word), and it was not that. Yeah, I did check my energy and perception (but that is a good reminder).

Well seen. "Star" is a major aspect of my signature frequency. You also recall there was a far greater exchange than just that.

@morrighanstar

^ my Twitter

Thanks.

Also glad that you "held out' initially, as it caused me to re-visit my experience. I sat in the chair where I had the experience, ran through it, and that's when I remembered the star.

Overall ... very cool!  :)

Hi,

I'm following this thread and just wanted to chime in.  On the topic of seeing things and orbs, my son once saw one.  I was with him but I didn't see it, but I saw him see it.

I was sitting in my chair at my desk and he was standing next to me.  I was looking up at him and we were talking, and he stopped mid-sentence and I saw him looking at something and his eyes were following something falling down from the ceiling to the floor between us.  Then he said, "Did you see that bubble!"  I could tell how fantastic it was by his expression.  He described it as spherical and clear like a bubble that was slowly falling and then just disappeared.  He said he realized it was nonphysical, not an actual physical bubble.  I'm just bummed I didn't see it too. We were only inches away from each other but I didn't see anything.

We weren't able to backtrack our conversation to pinpoint what the orb meant, and never figured out why it appeared.   

Hi Vicky ... glad you are chiming in on this ...

Do I remember that orb experience from your book? It sounds familiar.

fwiw, I have had a shared experience with someone else where our experiences were slight different. It showed me that perceptions can be different, even while sharing the same encounter.

Truly perceptions are different and (in my experience) often takes a bit of effort for two people working together to determine we are seeing the same thing. Sometimes it is immediately clear. More often it takes us up to several hours to bring the work to parity.

That all said it's worth reiterating I strictly never OBE. I do all my work in my body, eyes wide open, no special arrangements of any kind. No preparation, just jump in. That's the way it works with me. I may get a call at who knows what o'clock in the night - by call I mean the embodied person I work with pings me, I wake up and find her message, and we go to work.

The above is only for perspective, as our teams work independently at this moment owing to the accumulated outcome of several years work together, often up to as many as 12 - 14 hours in a day.

To return to topic, I've not noticed orbs but I'm not normally working in areas where orbs are held in potential. My inclination were I to see one would be to look behind it to see what's there.

Subtle Traveler wrote on Dec 21^st, 2017 at 9:14pm:

Hi Vicky ... glad you are chiming in on this ... Do I remember that orb experience from your book? It sounds familiar. fwiw, I have had a shared experience with someone else where our experiences were slight different. It showed me that perceptions can be different, even while sharing the same encounter.

No this was pretty recent so it wasn't in my book.  You read my book?  I never can remember who has.  Thanks!  I hope you liked it.

Ok, I totally agree with you about how perceptions can be totally different about the same experience!!  I have to tell you about the one that came to mind, but I'll come back in a little bit and tell it.  I need to go spend some time with my kiddos. 
:)

Morrighan wrote on Dec 21^st, 2017 at 9:53pm:

Truly perceptions are different and (in my experience) often takes a bit of effort for two people working together to determine we are seeing the same thing. Sometimes it is immediately clear. More often it takes us up to several hours to bring the work to parity. That all said it's worth reiterating I strictly never OBE. I do all my work in my body, eyes wide open, no special arrangements of any kind. No preparation, just jump in. That's the way it works with me. I may get a call at who knows what o'clock in the night - by call I mean the embodied person I work with pings me, I wake up and find her message, and we go to work.

Morrighan ...

This is helpful. Thanks for continuing to expand upon this. It is giving me a feel for things here as you present your experiences and practices in nuanced language.

As some background, my first experience ever experience with a non-physical being was in the physical (as a teen). I never left my body and stayed physically focused and awake the entire time (feeling my arms around each person beside me), yet I could see the being in their light body (I was 1 of 2 people who saw). I am NOT clairvoyant. There were 80 other people at the event who apparently did not see anything but the campfire in front of us.

I started a new thread called "subtle travel" today where I am sharing my experiences. I told Vicky today that there is one experience that I would not share, because it is often seen as controversial.

However, I am going to write out that experience and share it. I am changing my mind. Listening to you today, there is something going on. When I do write it out, I would like you to read and listen to it.

Thanks again for holding forth.

Will watch, and will respond as I feel is appropriate, thank you.

Did mention I do no special preparation when I go to work. This does require some qualification. Some mission work ... hold that thought a moment. There is absolutely no reason to imply that any mission work I engage in is personally perilous. Absolutely no harm can come to me from anything without my permission.

That being understood, it is sometimes necessary for me to take steps to verify my field integrity before engaging in ... it is technical work. And our teams use technical terms for this because of the nature of it. I'm given to understand the way our teams language our work is not widely comprehended beyond the scope of our workspace.

Also I make all effort not to speak of what our teams do save for what I feel is relevant to the readers here: those who seek to gain afterlife knowledge. It is true I sometimes traverse those realms in the course of a workday, but it has not been my focus for a long while.

Vicky reports some success in our group exercises that are presently suspended owing to Bruce's transition.

In the end it's really about what works for you.

Ok, I realize we have a few subjects going on here but I wanted to follow-through with what I said earlier so here is one of the shared experience I wanted to tell:   

My kids and I were on the way home from the hospital where my ex-father-in-law had just passed away.  It was 2009.  I was driving, my son (13) was in the front passenger seat, and my daughter (11) was in the back seat behind my son. 

Silently to myself I sent a message to my ex’s dad, telling him that if there was anything I could do for him to please let me know.  He and I never got along in life, but I wanted to genuinely be available to him if I could be of help because I knew he’d be surprised at what he was seeing in the afterlife.  I knew in life he probably thought I was a weirdo but now that he was dead he was probably thinking, "Oh boy, Vicky was right!"

Immediately after I sent him this message I heard a woman’s voice talking in the car.  It was right beside me on my right, so between me and my son.  At least I thought it was a woman’s voice.  It was very fast as if someone were fast-forwarding.  I was so shocked that I turned my head around and said, “What was that?”  My kids both said, “What was what?”

I asked my daughter if she was playing a radio or something on her phone and she said no.  My son asked me what I heard.  I told them I heard a woman’s voice talking very fast.  My daughter said she didn’t hear anything, but my son said, “Well I didn’t hear a woman’s voice but I heard a hissing sound.” 

I asked how he experienced it, and he said that at the same time I thought I heard a woman’s voice, he had just heard a hissing sound right between us.  My daughter said, “Well you’re both nuts because I didn’t hear a thing.”

Although I never found out what this experience was about, I know that my son and I experienced the same thing but we perceived it differently. 

I remember from my experiments with the Theta Metronome when I had the OBE where a woman was showing me how she was murdered that it began with me first asking to make contact with someone in the afterlife, then I got the sound of a buzzing and hiss, and then the hiss sound reminded me of the sound of someone talking very fast, and then I realized it was a woman’s voice.  I also remember reading about Bruce saying in his books that the hiss is the sound of many human voices all jumbled together.  And you can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Robert Monroe also wrote about the hissing noise.  Isn’t that fascinating?

I found it fascinating that my son perceived the hiss and I perceived the woman’s voice, and my daughter didn't hear anything at all.  If I had not freaked out at the sound of it and if I’d realized what I was perceiving I could have focused more on it until I was able to understand what was being said.  Unfortunately I messed up the connection. 

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If I had not freaked out at the sound of it and if I’d realized what I was perceiving I could have focused more on it until I was able to understand what was being said.  Unfortunately I messed up the connection.

I don't think you messed up the connection.

It is more like you don't have enough information to actualize your awareness to what you perceived.

We as humans are limited no matter how aware we are.

So you now can ask the guides or whomever to understand what you perceived. If that is possible.

Morrighan wrote on Dec 21^st, 2017 at 11:02pm:

Will watch, and will respond as I feel is appropriate, thank you.

Thanks Morrighan.

I understand what you are saying about the field (a good point). I am going to come back to and review our conversation above later today.

I had a serious "curve ball" thrown at me last night by someone that I have been helping. As I engage the "new" of this forum, I am experiencing both momentum and adjustment. Overall I felt a bit wobbly before sleeping last night, and my energy was reflecting that when I posted here. I am going to take some time today to reduce my resistance (to what is) by meditating.

Thanks again.

Vicky wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2017 at 3:04am:

I found it fascinating that my son perceived the hiss and I perceived the woman’s voice, and my daughter didn't hear anything at all.  If I had not freaked out at the sound of it and if I’d realized what I was perceiving I could have focused more on it until I was able to understand what was being said.  Unfortunately I messed up the connection.

Love the story, Vicky. Thanks for taking time to share it and also re-focus your thread here. I am laughing a bit at the family dynamics (e.g., you're both crazy!) ...

but I primarily wanted to comment not to be too hard on yourself when looking back at this stuff ... you were driving the car, listening to the non-3D communicate, remaining open to the transition of your ex in-law, and being an attentive mom to your kids all at once. I'd say that your perception of the All-D was damn good! (and most importantly you were being a good mom!) ::)

Really (really) good.  :)

I observe one thing humans are spectacularly good at is sustaining and maintaining self-limiting belief systems. One may even reorient oneself as to view limiting belief systems as another belief system territory. It is overwhelmingly populated by humans. I've not specifically noticed our animal friends to hold self-limiting beliefs except when they learn it from humans.

humor --> It is even possible to imagine the belief systems territory of self-limiting beliefs as a sort of human gated community <--- humor

One self-limiting belief is that of some inability to function beyond our humanness. I've spoken here before of Both / And, and this is an operative function of our embodied experiences.

What I see in Vicky's tale (and thank you for posting) is her demonstrated ability  to - shall we say - "tune in" to non-physical experiences. That is coupled with her stated desire to verify, and to look to others for that verification. All of which is neither here nor there, for it's a very human thing. Bruce was moved enough by it to pen Voyage Beyond Doubt. He had to work to overcome the objections of his engineer's mind.

One exercise that helps us move beyond doubt is to see what we bring into the present with what we write. This helps us see what we are actually present to. And Vicky and I are already holding this conversation, for she knows exactly what .... what I am seeing in this moment are two cardinals, bright against the December forest floor.

This is what we do to bring what is proper into the focus of our consciousness. To observe the cardinals and the December foliage as One, without distinction.

None of the preceding is intended to be a criticism of any. It is what we (those I work with) call an observing. The only verification required is to see for yourself  :) Oh, and happy Solstice to you as we're still in that window:http://mailchi.mp/9555f48455ff/stillness?e=85b4cc6b9b

withinn wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2017 at 4:25am:

I don't think you messed up the connection. It is more like you don't have enough information to actualize your awareness to what you perceived. We as humans are limited no matter how aware we are. So you now can ask the guides or whomever to understand what you perceived. If that is possible.

Hi Withinn,

Thank you for saying this.  Just because I've had a ton of wonderful experiences doesn't mean I'm an expert by any means.  I still need a lot of help in learning how to navigate.

I will definitely focus on asking my guides to help me understand what it was that I perceived that night. 

Do you have any other advice for me.  All I can think of is, since I was setting the intention and putting it out there that I was willing to be of service, I should have also kept in mind that if/when something comes into my awareness to just accept it and allow it to unfold or open on its own.  I think, though, that hearing the woman's voice just shocked me so much. 

Subtle Traveler wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2017 at 10:08am:

Vicky wrote on Dec 22nd, 2017 at 3:04am: I found it fascinating that my son perceived the hiss and I perceived the woman’s voice, and my daughter didn't hear anything at all.  If I had not freaked out at the sound of it and if I’d realized what I was perceiving I could have focused more on it until I was able to understand what was being said.  Unfortunately I messed up the connection.  Love the story, Vicky. Thanks for taking time to share it and also re-focus your thread here. I am laughing a bit at the family dynamics (e.g., you're both crazy!) ... but I primarily wanted to comment not to be too hard on yourself when looking back at this stuff ... you were driving the car, listening to the non-3D communicate, remaining open to the transition of your ex in-law, and being an attentive mom to your kids all at once. I'd say that your perception of the All-D was damn good! (and most importantly you were being a good mom!) ::) Really (really) good.  :)

Subtle Traveler,

Thanks!  My kids have been accustomed to the paranormal their whole lives so we do have some interesting conversations, LOL. 

I don't try to be hard on myself, but it's more that I get disappointed with a missed opportunity.  As Withinn pointed out, I can always try to re-enter that area of consciousness by asking for understanding.  I think that's a great idea.  It certainly can't hurt.

PS--As far as I'm concerned, there is no thread drift going on here.  This is how normal conversations take place, one thing leading to another creating engaging and entertaining conversation.  I thank you all for being such great participants on this conversation board!

:-*

Morrighan,

I should tell you that because of our interactions these past few months I know I've learned one (at least) valuable tool from you.  That which you call the Truth Detector.  I've been using it, playing with it, practicing it in many ways.  It's such a great tool that it comes to mind in most things I do now.  It's not about right or wrong, or truth or lies.  It's about being present in the moment and keeping focus on what's truly needed for me and my intention at the moment.  In other words, not letting me waste my time being side tracked by unnecessary stuff that's not serving a good purpose.  It really helps me get at the heart of what's important. 

Hai Vicky,

It's quite true in every literal sense I language things differently now than when we met all those years ago. What I trust is clear is you show yourself your own journey beyond doubt as you share your experiences.

Vicky,

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That which you call the Truth Detector.  I've been using it, playing with it, practicing it in many ways.  It's such a great tool that it comes to mind in most things I do now.  It's not about right or wrong, or truth or lies.

Really?


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It's about being present in the moment and keeping focus on what's truly needed for me and my intention at the moment.  In other words, not letting me waste my time being side tracked by unnecessary stuff that's not serving a good purpose.  It really helps me get at the heart of what's important.

Is this statement true or false, is it right or is it wrong, that is an essential question to ask one's self. True and false is the heart of the matter of what is important.

Morrighan,


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It's quite true in every literal sense[...]

Right.

Merry Christmas ladies!

Uno wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2017 at 1:35am:

Vicky, Quote: It's about being present in the moment and keeping focus on what's truly needed for me and my intention at the moment.  In other words, not letting me waste my time being side tracked by unnecessary stuff that's not serving a good purpose.  It really helps me get at the heart of what's important. Is this statement true or false, is it right or is it wrong, that is an essential question to ask one's self. True and false is the heart of the matter of what is important.

Hi Uno,

I made that statement for myself, not as something I'm giving or teaching so it wasn't open for debate.  But for me to try to explain to you what I myself mean by it, I can say that the technique itself is not meant as a divining tool to tell me what to do or tell me what's right.  It is meant for me to be open to feeling and sensing my own guidance system.  Does that make more sense now? 

Here's an exaggerated example.  If I were driving and were lost, and I said, "I wonder if I should turn down this road."  There's no right or wrong or true or false to that question.  I could turn down a dozen wrong roads and still find my destination eventually.  But if I sense that I should, or if I sense that I shouldn't, I really still don't know the reason why, but listening to it is something I can learn to rely on, develop, and use. 

Having a sense of my connection with my own intuition and guidance is what's at the heart of what's important.  For what I think may be true or false may not actually be the case.  What if I get the sense to drive down the wrong road, the road that doesn't lead me to the place I'm looking for, but instead it leads me to something else that I need but wasn't aware I needed?  That is the truer way to be open to your guidance, when you're willing to accept that you don't have to be in control of the reasons in which you're guided. 

That's just my opinion by the way.  I'm not making a blanket statement for everybody. 

Uno ...

I will expand upon Vicky's comment that it is my "EXPERIENCE" also that our intuition and our guidance play the most important roles in our many decisions while human. They are part of them. They influence them. It is why we are here (e.g., to make choices with our inner guidance). I realize that this may be both new and foreign to you, therefore I will briefly share a very meaningful non-physical experience.

When meeting and eventually confirming my primary guide in an early out of body experience, "the reality or truth about who is helping me" began to unfold in a very real and experiential manner (not another belief). I did not have to believe something I was being told by other humans or some authority or even an expert ... I had an actual non-physical experience showing me what was beyond the 3D physical reality ... and who was helping me. I share my non-physical experience very briefly in this way, because I am attempting to put this initially in your language (e.g., truth vs. false).

If I were to use my own wording to point to where you are going off track here with your responses to Vicky and Morrighan, I would say that our interactions are not about truth and false. Our interactions with both the physical and non-physical are about BEING! And, I would point to our guidance as our inner being. So, if the human is laboring over what is truth and false, that really is DOING (e.g., requiring thinking) and NOT being. Experiencing our guidance directly is about BEING, in fact every experience is about BEING (and becoming).

I hope that my language shed light on these differences for you.

I like to KNIT before I post:

• Is it Kind?
  
     
• Is it Necessary?
  
     
• Is it Informative?
  
     
• Is it True?
  

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This explanation is only for the purpose of clarifying why I moved some posts off topic.  If you wish to comment about my explanation, please do it on the Off Topic thread that I moved this topic to.

I had no choice but to move some replies to the Off Topic forum. 

My choices are to simply delete posts, move them to a private forum that only myself and Allan can see, or to move them to the Off Topic forum.  In this case I moved them off topic because if you wish to continue talking about it, you can do it there.  I value and appreciate the diverse opinions of others but please let me clear up all the confusion that I saw going on and the confusion that some people have asked me about privately: 

Recoverer’s reply is taking Morrighan’s quote way out of context, so that's a topic for another thread, not here.   

Morrighan’s KNIT acronym only means that our posts should be thoughtful and kind.  Just like when your mom told you “if you can’t say something nice, don’t say anything at all”.  There is no hidden meaning behind it.

I have no idea why Uno used the word “knit”, maybe as a play on what Morrighan said, but there’s no hidden meaning to what Morrighan said.

Withinn, I appreciate you standing up for me sharing my experience but your reply was too attacking. 

So, to avoid further derailment I just decided to cut and move those last few posts.  Sorry, but I have to try to do damage control before it gets way too messy!  I'm sorry if I myself have upset anyone.


Vicky

I learned something today. Thanks for your guidance on this, Vicky.

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