Some of you know that I have been diagnosed as being in end-stage liver failure.  I have known this for more than a year.  Back in 2009 one of my doctors told me that I should get onto a liver transplant list immediately.  I told him that I would not do that, explaining to him that, while it might give me more time before I die, it was a choice that would cost every last penny my wife and I have managed to save in our life together.  In the end I would still die but would leave my wife bankrupt on this planet.  I could not make the choice that would lead to such a financial outcome for me wife.

The progression of my incurable medical condition is at the point now that just keeping the body I live in alive is a difficult task.  I have good days and feel close to the energy level I had several years ago.  And, I have bad days when I am totally exhausted and it is all I can do to get from my bed to the kitchen, take my meds and then crawl bed to sleep.

So, I'm the Dying Man and I am open to discussions with those of you interested in asking.

Looking forward to our conversions.

Bruce

I honor your exercise of free will, Bruce. Is this not what is most important?

Okay, Bruce, what would you like to converse about?

As someone who learned about death in school under very wise nuns, and has come close to death a couple of times; once at 18 and again at 68, and now in my 8th decade, maybe I have some insight on some aspects of it.

Because there is so much to learn out there, maybe we can learn from each other.  I'm ready to learn more. 8-)
T'ressa

Bruce,

Thanks for being available to chat on your site.  I completely understand your personal decision regarding your health and I’m just so grateful that you’re still here because of all that you and I have shared.  And I hope that we have many more conversations, both physically while you’re still in this life and nonphysically afterwards!

Here are some questions I’d like to ask you Bruce.  Do you have any fears?  Are there still any unknowns about the afterlife you strongly wish you could have discovered in this life? 

I might ask, Bruce, what are you present to?

In [one of] my community [communities] this is what we all bring when we come together. We share what we are present to because this is how we inform the field. Speaking to what we are present to is how we honor each other's journeys.

Thank you for sharing your time here, Bruce.

Do you have a plan to communicate with anyone after crossing over?

Also, what is the most important thing you have learned in this lifetime, if you can point to one thing?

Bruce:

I don't mean to make light of your illness, it is ironic that you said "I look forward to our conversions" instead of "conversations" because that isn't your thing.

I have a question.

For the image at the back of your book "Voyage to Curiosity's Father" the green thread from you branches out to three different sub-threads, rather than just simply back to your Disk as one thread. Was this intentional? If so, why was it drawn this way?





Bruce Moen wrote on Oct 12^th, 2017 at 10:33pm:

Some of you know that I have been diagnosed as being in end-stage liver failure.  I have known this for more than a year.  Back in 2009 one of my doctors told me that I should get onto a liver transplant list immediately.  I told him that I would not do that, explaining to him that, while it might give me more time before I die, it was a choice that would cost every last penny my wife and I have managed to save in our life together.  In the end I would still die but would leave my wife bankrupt on this planet.  I could not make the choice that would lead to such a financial outcome for me wife. The progression of my incurable medical condition is at the point now that just keeping the body I live in alive is a difficult task.  I have good days and feel close to the energy level I had several years ago.  And, I have bad days when I am totally exhausted and it is all I can do to get from my bed to the kitchen, take my meds and then crawl bed to sleep. So, I'm the Dying Man and I am open to discussions with those of you interested in asking. Looking forward to our  :)conversions. Bruce

I check in on here occasionally and saddened to hear of your health. Your books and this forum have been a great help since I found it many years ago. Your attitude reminds me of my dad who passed away closing in on 2 years ago. We found he had esophageal cancer about a year and a half after my mom was diagnosed with alzheimers. He only wanted comfort care till he passed. He had told me some time before his diagnosis about not living much longer and seemed to be at peace with it. I started handling my parents finances after mom's diagnosis and dad was always concerned about having enough to take care of mom. Before he passed, we (me & the rest of the family), constantly reassured him mom would be fine. Through long term care insurance, pensions and investments my mom or the rest of the family has no worries as she receives more than enough to cover her medical expenses. So I understand where you're coming from. Will be thinking of you. Thank you very much for all you've given us.

Bruce, I am so sorry to hear about your health. I'll keep you in my prayers. You've been an immeasurable help to me in my understanding of the afterlife. You were my inspiration for attending Gateway at TMI.

It's all about love, Bruce. Only love.

Morrighan wrote on Oct 13^th, 2017 at 9:14am:

I honor your exercise of free will, Bruce. Is this not what is most important?

That only works when ALL realize that cooperation is superior over conflict.

I am not allowed to legally chose the time and manner of my death.  States like Oregon are trying to work out details to make euthanasia for the good of All.

Baroness wrote on Oct 13^th, 2017 at 9:33am:

Okay, Bruce, what would you like to converse about? As someone who learned about death in school under very wise nuns, and has come close to death a couple of times; once at 18 and again at 68, and now in my 8th decade, maybe I have some insight on some aspects of it. Because there is so much to learn out there, maybe we can learn from each other.  I'm ready to learn more. 8-) T'ressa

Baroness,

Yes, and to satisfy Curiosity that in a way exploring the Great Unknown is more . . .  like . .  remember than finding something truly new.

Bruce

Vicky,

Thank you for your gentle reminders, your dedication to the expansion of knowledge, and your energy of love.

I'll be keeping hanging out in this time-space to savor every last droplet of physical reality,

In Love & Gratitude

Bruce

Thanks Bruce!

You've explored so much so I imagine with all you've discovered about the afterlife that it was more than you ever could have imagined. 

Is there any burning questions you still have about "out there" that you wish you could have explored and discovered and answered in this life?  Or are you satisfied with the notion that after death you'll be able to still be exploring and learning?

I'm just asking this because it's something I ask myself all the time.  I know I'll always be learning and growing even after this lifetime, but I definitely do want to do as much as I can as "me" in this lifetime as I can.  I don't want to look back and think, "Oh darn I wish I had done more".   I think it's when I got cancer a few years ago and believed I might possibly die soon from it that it made me feel more urgent about doing stuff now rather than put them off for the future.

Anyway, I hope you're feeling ok Bruce.  I'm sending you healing energy and love every day!   :-*

seagullresting wrote on Oct 14^th, 2017 at 11:48am:

Do you have a plan to communicate with anyone after crossing over? Also, what is the most important thing you have learned in this lifetime, if you can point to one thing?

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SeaGullResting,

Oddly, I know from witnesses that I am seen and heard in communication with other physical beings without memory by me.  These occur in nonphysical realities.  So yes I plan to communicate with them after my death. Most will experience this as a lucid, at least semi-lucid dream.  For others it will be in the form thoughts that you and I are "making up."  Maybe I well just become more aware of conversations We are always having.

I am still learning the most important thing in this lifetime.  Most people probably can't imagine the Power of Pure Unconditional LOVE.  Every day I am bombarded by the Love of my wife, Pharon.  Every day is a lesson in experience and expression of PUL.

Everyday I feel the PUL from you.

Thanks for asking.

Bruce

Hi Bruce-

Over the years I've heard it said that being born is the real trauma. Being thrust into the physical world from the beauty and serenity of the non-physical is not something our spirit self welcomes.

Going home is far less traumatic. From many NDE accounts a common thread runs through- the person does not want to return to physical life.

I think leaving anywhere that's familiar has anxiety. We don't know how exactly what we'll find in a new job, new city or state, whatever. I know I'd be anxious but mainly for those I'd be leaving behind. As for just me, it would be so much easier.

One thing I really hope-that you'll be conscious during your transition and will be able to communicate what you are experiencing. I remember when Steve Jobs was passing. His last words were "Wow. Oh wow!"

Thanks for all you've done over the years. For 20 years yours was my go-to forum. No others came close.

Rondele

Roger, I like what you wrote.

I didn't know that Steve Jobs said that.


rondele wrote on Oct 24^th, 2017 at 4:48pm:

Hi Bruce- Over the years I've heard it said that being born is the real trauma. Being thrust into the physical world from the beauty and serenity of the non-physical is not something our spirit self welcomes. Going home is far less traumatic. From many NDE accounts a common thread runs through- the person does not want to return to physical life. I think leaving anywhere that's familiar has anxiety. We don't know how exactly what we'll find in a new job, new city or state, whatever. I know I'd be anxious but mainly for those I'd be leaving behind. As for just me, it would be so much easier. One thing I really hope-that you'll be conscious during your transition and will be able to communicate what you are experiencing. I remember when Steve Jobs was passing. His last words were "Wow. Oh wow!" Thanks for all you've done over the years. For 20 years yours was my go-to forum. No others came close. Rondele

I like what Roger wrote too, and I have heard that about Steve Jobs.  I've heard that same type of expression from a lot of people who have been with someone while they were dying. 

I agree that the worst part is leaving loved ones behind.  I think for most of us, when we die we're "ready" for it even if we don't think we are.  The transition is probably instant and seamless, like waking from a dream, and we realize that letting go wasn't so bad.   

Despite my believing that, I'm still not ready for you to go any time soon, Bruce  ;).  I just hope that the time you have left isn't you being in pain.  And I'm happy that you have a wife and friends who are there by your side to take care of you and be with you, and happy that your kids get to come visit you often.

Dearest Bruce,

On your new adventure, I wish for you all of the kindness, the gentleness and the joy of self-discovery that you have given to so many. Freedom, after all, is the greatest thing we can give to
another. Thank you, Bruce for my freedom.
One day, when you get to Focus 27, you know you're welcome to come on by my park for a visit, for a walk through magnificent Douglas Fir and Cottonwood trees I call my friends.

A little tidbit: Tibetan monks liken a persons' final passing away to the taking off of a rather painful tight shoe. (I love that).

Sending love, healing energy and I'd include some jokes but they could get me in trouble with the Posting Guidelines Police!😄 So, stay strong my friend. And when you're out n' about in the BST
you'll be avoiding that 'pile' Bob Monroe wrote about........right?😁 Allrighty then....,

Much love Bruce,

Ginny

Bruce , 
Just don't know the proper language to express Gratitude to You.  Your books are teaching the Art of Retrieval to thousands of poeple every day.  Your books will be there . Your valuable posts will be there in this forum.  I strongly feel that  Your  book - readers of  the next and the next generations will still Love You as much as we Love You .  And  personally  I feel ,  I am unfortunate that I did not get the chance to meet with You in this LifeTime .  I am looking forward to meet with You in the AfterLife.  For now , just want to say that ,  WE LOVE YOU ......

Rest in peace Bruce!  I'm so grateful for all you have done for me personally and for others.  Your new (old) journey begins!

Dear Bruce Moen

You may not remember this message "Voyage allow yourself greater responsibility" you communicated with me last time when i was using this app ouija board thing, i have communicated with my grandfather and other spirits, I think you wanted to warn about using ouija board app thing, i am no longer using ouija board app thing, thank you Bruce Moen,  You have taught me many things about the great unknown, focus 23, BST and focus 27 and beyond. Thank you Bruce Moen.

I just heard about the death of Bruce...  His work had a major impact in my life.  I learn a lot from him. I will miss him. 

I hope his wife will do well. 

See you in the non physical, Bruce...

Greetings Bruce.

   I haven't been on this forum for a while and just saw this post today. My wife just passed away on June 25 this year. I felt her presence several times since then but my exploration skills are still lacking and I haven't had any face to face encounters with her yet. My best guess is she is hanging with her parents and relatives still but my meditations haven't granted me any experiences of this yet.

   Maybe someday soon I can save up enough money so I can go to the Monroe Institute and gain the skills I need to contact her.

   I'll miss your website when your day comes and you get to go to the other side. I have great health so I will be plodding along in the physical for quite a while.

   Thanks for the books you wrote that taught me more of the other side beyond what Robert Monroe wrote. I like learning all I can about the afterlife while I'm stuck in this world.

Sincerely,
Ralph

I didn't see that there was a second page to this post so I didn't know he already passed away. So sorry to hear that. Now I have two persons to get in touch with when I gain the ability.

Ralph

Ralph Buskey wrote on Nov 17^th, 2017 at 2:27am:

Greetings Bruce.    I haven't been on this forum for a while and just saw this post today. My wife just passed away on June 25 this year. I felt her presence several times since then but my exploration skills are still lacking and I haven't had any face to face encounters with her yet. My best guess is she is hanging with her parents and relatives still but my meditations haven't granted me any experiences of this yet.    Maybe someday soon I can save up enough money so I can go to the Monroe Institute and gain the skills I need to contact her.    I'll miss your website when your day comes and you get to go to the other side. I have great health so I will be plodding along in the physical for quite a while.    Thanks for the books you wrote that taught me more of the other side beyond what Robert Monroe wrote. I like learning all I can about the afterlife while I'm stuck in this world. Sincerely, Ralph

Hi Ralph,

I'm sorry you lost your wife.  I believe that it's not too late for her to contact you or for you to receive it.  Some people believe that that only happens for a short time after someone's passing, but I don't think there's a time limit.

After my dad passed away I felt his presence and had visits from him many times in the years after his death.

I'm sure a lot of people will be having experiences of visits with Bruce!  He is definitely the guy who would make sure he uses that ability.  And I definitely think he's still going to be teaching, there as well as here.  One of the ways he can do that is to make contact and help us know it's real.

We are keeping his website running and hopefully that will be able to continue happening for a long, long time.

:)

I'm unsure how I ended up here but I'm so sorry I missed Bruce's life and the work he did on this website. 

His account of the reason he chose not to prolong his life here is inspirational, something about which I hope I never to have to choose.  But if I do I hope I'll be able to leave this particular incarnation in a similarly dignified way to Bruce, maybe with an account online either here or on one of my regular haunts. (no pun intended)

I am very very sad to hear of Bruce Moen's passing and my deep condolences to his family and all the others that loved him!

I was born before Bruce and I think I am the oldest person in years on this forum, this makes me think that like him my time in this realm of existence might be short. 

Bruce was a very forgiving person as he had to be with me on many occasions because at times I became a difficult and volatile member.

As I have reverted to my previously held Christianity I think I can no longer be an active member any longer although I am still interested in all the friends I have made on this forum over the 15 years or so since I joined.

I wish all of you, the true Agapa love that only comes from the pure mind of our creator God?

Ralph Buskey wrote on Nov 17^th, 2017 at 2:35am:

I didn't see that there was a second page to this post so I didn't know he already passed away. So sorry to hear that. Now I have two persons to get in touch with when I gain the ability. Ralph

Just as in this world you'll only be able to communicate with someone 'over there' if that someone wants to communicate with you - no matter what your ability. 

Those once said to be dead have choices.  They're not at anyone's beck and call.

mac wrote on Nov 21^st, 2017 at 10:56am:

Ralph Buskey wrote on Nov 17th, 2017 at 2:35am: I didn't see that there was a second page to this post so I didn't know he already passed away. So sorry to hear that. Now I have two persons to get in touch with when I gain the ability. Ralph Just as in this world you'll only be able to communicate with someone 'over there' if that someone wants to communicate with you - no matter what your ability.  Those once said to be dead have choices.  They're not at anyone's beck and call.

Courtesy is an asset everywhere. And interfering with another's field is a great discourtesy, here, there and everywhere. It is eminently possible to do one's work without interfering with another's field.

?

If the "?" is directed at me, the intent of my previous post is one does very well to behave courteously to all: alive, recently deceased or long deceased.

If I were on my way somewhere or engaged in my work, how might I feel if a stranger appeared asking me questions about my name, my life, my impressions of where I am etc? Likely I'm going to be wary of a stranger who says: "May I take a minute of your time?" Especially if I see the stranger is holding a clipboard, notebook or copies of The Watchtower.

What I am saying here is it is entirely possible to learn all one needs to know without interfering with another's field.

Be kind, be thoughtful, be considerate, be courteous.

I agree about not being rude or interfering, but I also agree that if you do try to make contact and communicate, it’s not necessarily that you’ll get something in response.  Either the deceased may not respond or you may not be able to perceive or receive it. 

It’s my opinion that no harm can be done by sending your thoughts to someone or requesting that they contact or communicate with you, especially if the intention is with love, kindness, and respect.  I doubt they feel disturbed by it.  If they want to engage, they will. 

With someone like Bruce Moen who was a public figure, he’s used to receiving requests from strangers all the time.  Even in his physical life, Bruce often received email from people he didn’t know, and of course they wanted a reply back.  Bruce didn’t always give one.  Usually it was because he was too busy, or sometimes he just forgot to reply. 

But if one is sending positive thoughts and intentions, I do believe on some level it is always received.  That is my intention when I send a thought...Just that it gets received.

I think the best way to go is to make sure your intention is pure and unselfish.  Energy works in ways we're not always aware or intending.  Sometimes we get the opposite effect of our intention.  If so, then you need to evaluate and make changes to purify your intentions.  Just as with interactions in the physical, you always get a better response from someone if you're putting out the right energy.  Energy is the communicator.

Completely agreed Vicky. Your approach is what I would call courteous.

What I'm putting forth here is another level of mastery of intent. Very specifically, I am stating that in many cases it is imperative the person we are querying is unaware of our inquiry. When I do this, I make all effort not to be perceived in the course of my work.

And of equal, if not greater importance, is enough mastery of my personal awareness of my own field to insure I am not being observed or interfered with by those who do not wish for me to know who they are or what they are doing. This is for my own self-protection.

The short of it is: I personally take great care never to interfere with another person's field. And take equal or greater are to insure none interfere's with mine.

What one should always remember is that we all are individuals with individual approaches to all matters in life or in life-hereafter.

What works for one individual may not work for another nor should it necessarily be expected to.

Morrighan,

Being of assistance in the afterlife, for me, is always...always with permission, usually from a person's greater higher self, especially if the person in need is stuck. Permission is granted in the form of Helpers arriving to take me to the person in need. Being stuck often means the person thinks they're still alive, so they only perceive others who give off earth-life-system vibes. No one can get their attention, without the vibes. 

It's no different than responding to someone in need here in the physical.

Ginny

Off-Topic replies have been moved to this Topic.

Thread drift is just a fact of life.

Sometimes the original intent of the thread can be resuscitated. Bruce invited all to share and / or ask what they wish with a dying man. And to read the many responses following his departure, discussions of engaging the afterlife territories continue. So do explorations of the afterlife territories by those who learned from Bruce (or elsewhere, or a combination of Bruce and elsewhere).

As Vicky states clearly, Bruce's wishes were that this site and its goals continue in his (physical) absence. We have many here who are quite skilled in retrievals and more.

It's a whole new thing now.

Absolutely agreed, Ginny.

One thing I've observed in the course of retrievals - and I believe Bruce mentions it as well - a retrieval assists the retriever as greatly as it assists the retrievee.

Re-visiting the earlier part of this thread we've been off-topic pretty much from reply #27. 

Now Bruce has passed all previous conversations with him have finished.  I suppose only those postings relevant to him  and his approaching death ought to be in this thread.

mac wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2017 at 5:45pm:

Re-visiting the earlier part of this thread we've been off-topic pretty much from reply #27.  Now Bruce has passed all previous conversations with him have finished.  I suppose only those postings relevant to him  and his approaching death ought to be in this thread.

I agree, and that's why I moved those off-topic posts to the Off Topic Forum.

May as well still post here if it's about Bruce and retrievals and anything else relevant like that.

I'm happy that Bruce was able to begin a thread and be here to engage a little bit before he passed. 

And a reminder to everyone, you can click on Bruce's name to go to his profile, and then you can pull up all his previous posts.  It's so nice to be able to do that.

:)

Hi Morrighan,

After a couple of years of retrieving and exploring I couldn't help but notice that I had acquired some 'knowns' along the way, which was fascinating to me. I had apparently been bringing back lots of 'rotes' and each eventually surfaced into my awareness...kinda like finding wads of cash in long forgotten pockets. It was unexpected and cool and made perfect sense...just another 'DUH! Smack my forehead!" moment of which I have had many 8-).

Much love,

Ginny

Hi Ginny,

+1 to what you report. This is entirely true in my experience.

Ginny wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2017 at 4:31pm:

Hi Morrighan, After a couple of years of retrieving and exploring I couldn't help but notice that I had acquired some 'knowns' along the way, which was fascinating to me. I had apparently been bringing back lots of 'rotes' and each eventually surfaced into my awareness...kinda like finding wads of cash in long forgotten pockets. It was unexpected and cool and made perfect sense...just another 'DUH! Smack my forehead!" moment of which I have had many 8-). Much love, Ginny

What do you call your "knowns" and 'rotes' please ? (my english is mediocre)

Your English is fine. By my memory, the word "rote" was coined by Robert Monroe and entered common usage within the TMI curriculum. Think of a package of information received all at once that takes a while to unpack. Some call it a download but to me a download unpacks on arrival. A rote may take a long while to unpack.

Grateful for any corrections / clarifications. Been ages since I engaged with TMI / RM.

Morrighan wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 12:28pm:

Your English is fine. By my memory, the word "rote" was coined by Robert Monroe and entered common usage within the TMI curriculum. Think of a package of information received all at once that takes a while to unpack. Some call it a download but to me a download unpacks on arrival. A rote may take a long while to unpack. Grateful for any corrections / clarifications. Been ages since I engaged with TMI / RM.

Okay very interesting as i identify this phenomena as well and you describe it very well Morrighan.

According to me, i think the time it takes to unpack is due to the difference of time between C1 and Fx... (While in F27, the information you can download seems to be limitless and immediate.)

Things get far more interesting beyond F35. Spoken for truth. Gathgroup is old, outdated and by this time misleading and incorrect news.

Standard contractual agreement clause: ignore all that precedes this sentence. Go look for yourself.

To be as absolutely clear as can be: to presume the gathgroup is still there in the same state(s) as originally reported is misleading. We saw even as it was reported it was winding down.

Like: listening to a replay of Tuesday's traffic reports on Friday is misleading and incorrect. Yes some structures may bear similar characteristics. Today's SkyCam operating over I-10 right now is what we want.

To say that Tuesday's report is incorrect does not disparage the SkyCam crew. The car fire they reported at Exit 55 isn't there now. It's been cleared.

None of this is to say or imply Bruce(or others such as RM) is incorrect, or to dismiss his experience. What I am saying, quite directly, is Bruce gave us the tools to go look for ourselves. We're doing no one any favors insisting what he found 5, 10, 20 years ago is still exactly as he reported it. Everything changes.

What we (general we) .... and I believe Bruce too .... wanted are new people to break new ground. He gave us the tools, we go out there and look for ourselves. If we report back that there is more territory than Bruce charted, this does not make Bruce incorrect. It means we build on the path he opened, and enlarge it, make it new ....

How to best explain this ... to be blunt about it .... Focus 35 is still in human space and there's a lot more going on than just humans.

Thanks for making that clearer.  I hope that helps.  I think it does. 

Morrighan, you've read all of Bruce's books right?  Is it in his 4th book that he talks about the Gathgroup? 

I know I read books 1, 2, and 3 but I'm pretty sure I didn't read the 4th one.  Don't know why.  But anyway, after he died I began his series again and I will read them all back to back. 
It's just been a nice way for me to feel close to Bruce again.  I know Bruce's voice well so when I read his books I let myself "hear" it in my head in his voice. 

In case anyone's wondering, if I read a book where I don't know the author's voice then yes I will actually entertain myself by hearing it in the voice of my choosing.  James Earl Jones is always a nice choice, and so is Keith Morrison  ::)

Ok, sorry for getting off topic with my silly sense of humor.

Hi Vicky,

Yes, read all of Bruce's books, and the Guidebook with CD etc. etc. I'd forgotten about the Gathgroup until I was in the act of writing the post immediately upthread. That's when I recalled our teams' mission work in zones well beyond F35 and the remainder wrote itself.

Grateful for the inspiration of Bruce's published material. What was not clear to me at the time is, shall we say, what else there is behind the stage scenery. And what's beyond that. Mentioned only in the understanding that afterlife  knowledge is not a destination.

Fun is where the action is. The dreary stuff I can do without. LOL.

To expand upon this, all the tools one needs to traverse worlds are pretty much available for the asking. None can see for you but you, and only you can give yourself permission to see.