Some near death experiences speak of how they are anxious to return to the spirit world because life is much better there than here.

I can't complain about my life here, but because I'm quite certain that the afterlife will be wonderful when it is my time to join it, I look forward to when my day to join it arrives.

Some near death experiencers (and other experiencers) have stated that they had experiences where it seemed as if they were in the spirit world for many years, and when they returned here just a short moment of time had passed.

Suppose it will be your time to rejoin the spirit world 30 years from now. If you have an experience where you experience the spirit world for 200 years while still  having a physical body, according to your perspective, it will seem like 230 years before you return to the spirit world for good.

Would you want to have such an experience and have to experience 230 years before you return to the spirit world for good, or would you rather not have such an experience and return to the spirit world for good in 30 years?

When I say all of this, I am not factoring in whether the 230 version has some benefits that the other version doesn't have.

I don't know whether someone can answer that question rationally without having factual knowledge of what the afterlife offers. Without some idea that the permanent version of the afterlife holds positive things in store for oneself, I would imagine that to put the permanent version of an afterlife on hold for some 'time' might be appealing.

However, the temporary version might also be of interest. It appears that they are different. Some people do not consider a near death experience as actual death. They hold actual death as exclusive to the experience of not reanimating the physical body.

So, an interesting question. I don't think I hold an opinion one way or another. I do, however, see that many people consider themselves to be better people after returning from a 'near death' experience. They describe themselves and others describe them as changed in a positive way.

For this reason alone, it seems that to have a near death experience might be considered extremely valuable. There is no telling what that experience contributes to the life thereafter.

Logic would have it that it might be more beneficial to have the near death experience rather than not. How do you see it?

seagullresting wrote on Aug 11^th, 2017 at 9:01pm:

I don't know whether someone can answer that question rationally without having factual knowledge of what the afterlife offers.

Seagullresting nails it. Which is why we go look for ourselves, rather than relying on the accounts of others.

What near death experiencers find out is just one piece of the puzzle. When you consider how all the pieces fit together, you can get an idea of how much NDEs are valid part of the answer. It helps if you have had your own nonphysical experiences.

Going by my nonphysical experiences, a wonderful future awaits me.

I would experience a prolonged pre-death non physical experience, if doing so in some way enabled me to make a positive contribution to this world.

Many near death experiences had to go through a lot after they died. They had to go through a difficult healing process. Therefore, in a way, they made a sacrifice for others, partly so they could share their knowledge.

This being the case, I'm not going to flush their sacrifices and contributions down the toilet, so I can seem more sophisticated than others. I believe it is spiritually evolved to having feelings of gratitude, appreciation and humility towards others. We are all part of the same oneness, so why not appreciate each other and benefit from each other? If it is okay to do things such as go to the store and buy food that was produced by others, then perhaps it is okay to benefit from others in other ways.

Regarding near death experiencers not having actually died, in a final sense, of course they didn't. They wouldn't be able to return and share information if they died in a complete way. Therefore, I don't believe it is fair to dismiss what they have to share, simply because they returned.

How about out of body explorers such as Bruce Moen, Robert Monroe, Emanuel Swedenborg and Jurgen Ziewe, since they returned to this world, would you dismiss what they have to say?

If you dismiss what NDErs and other non physical experiencers (including "viewers") have to say, then all you're left with is channelers. Going by what I've seen, not all channeled sources are trustworthy. Some--mostly the kind where a being doesn't speak through a person's body--seem the most trustworthy. A lot of what they say seems to agree with what NDErs and out of body explorers have found.

Last I noticed there are no requirements of indebtedness to writers of travelogues. The city or country they may describe likely bear little or no resemblance to my own experience of the place. That's because their account is written from the lens of their own being. My own experience is guaranteed to be different because I am who I am, as are we all.

Indeed, landmarks come and go and even geography is fluid. Moreso, a travel writer's impressions may adversely colour my own expectations. Also noted that maps are frequently wrong, inaccurate and/or out-of-date. Often maps contain intentional errors.

Our journeys are our own.

Recoverer, you said that going by your 'nonphysical experiences' you expect a wonderful future awaiting you after physical death. What has so encouraged you to come to that conclusion?

seagull resting:

One reason is that years ago I had an NDE-like experience without a near death like event, and during this experience I was certain that the afterlife exists. At the time I was somewhere between an atheist and an agnostic, and I believed that science explained what reality is about. During this experience my old way of believing and my new way of understanding operated at the same time, and it was very clear that what I realized spiritually represented the truth.

Because of the above experience I understand why many near death experiencers are certain of what they experience.

I have had other non physical experiences that made the point that a future of divine love and peace awaits me. To some degree meditation reveals this. To some degree an inner knowing does so.

Not too long ago I had a lucid dream experience where I was in the spirit world. It was basically a positive place. The negativity of this world did not exist there. Yet the people there weren't completely fulfilled. I feel more fulfilled during some of my meditations than they did while abiding in the spirit world. Why? Because these people hadn't reached the point where they want to rejoin God, the source of everything. I believe that we will never be completely fulfilled until we rejoin God.

I have noticed that in recent years that there are some people in what might be called "new age land" that seem to have little interest in the being that made their existence possible. They are really into this independence thing. Some of them speak as if they are Gods themselves. I believe that such people are fooling themselves. They will never find true fulfillment until they seek to rejoin that which is the source of all. No matter how large they are, they are just a speck compared to their true source. They'll play the game of observing various things until they eventually find that true fulfillment isn't received in such a way.




seagullresting wrote on Aug 14^th, 2017 at 6:29pm:

Recoverer, you said that going by your 'nonphysical experiences' you expect a wonderful future awaiting you after physical death. What has so encouraged you to come to that conclusion?

Recoverer 2 wrote on Aug 15^th, 2017 at 10:44am:

I have noticed that in recent years that there are some people in what might be called "new age land" that seem to have little interest in the being that made their existence possible. They are really into this independence thing. Some of them speak as if they are Gods themselves. I believe that such people are fooling themselves. They will never find true fulfillment until they seek to rejoin that which is the source of all. No matter how large they are, they are just a speck compared to their true source. They'll play the game of observing various things until they eventually find that true fulfillment isn't received in such a way.

Citation? Names? Proof? Strong allegations require strong evidence.



Recoverer 2 wrote on Aug 15^th, 2017 at 10:44am:

a future of divine love and peace awaits me.

Is here and now acceptable? You know, without the death part. Personally speaking, I find belief systems that require their adherents to die are kinda .... ewww. Doesn't make any difference if it's the Kindermord (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Battle_of_Ypres) or Jonestown. "Looks dangerous, you go first," (Indiana Jones) is my first response to anyone who tells me I need to die to experience a promise of something better.

Morrighan:

It would be difficult to find the precise articles and video locations where I've read or heard people speak in a way where they spoke as if they are God's themselves. One guy who is fairly well known spoke as if each of us is the creator of our own universe and he didn't mean that we each experience our own interpretation of the universe we are a part of.

When it comes to experiencing love and peace while we are in a body, I do not believe that our bodies could handle the amount of energy there is at God level. Therefore, even though we can experience love and peace now, we won't be able to do so to an extent that is possible when we rejoin God.

I can feel love and peace as I do things such as walk around, but not as much as when I meditate. In fact, I've found that if I stop meditating, open my eyes, and look at the place I am located at, to some degree the amount of love and peace I feel decreases a "bit," because my focus partially gets redirected from the divine level to the level of this world.

It isn't just a matter of the energy level of my body, the limitations of my biological brain, and the limiting thought patterns I have, it is also a matter of the energy level of this physical world, and the thought and emotional energy that billions of humans and even more animals create. Such energy levels differ from the energy levels of a higher level of being.

Jonestown? Do you actually believe that I am speaking of such a thing?

To me, no difference exists between an agreement to partake in utopia as promised by Jim Jones, an agreement to lay down my life at the point of a spear for Alexander the Great, and an agreement of salvation through death courtesy of any religious belief system. I'm not really keen on death cults, myself, but to each their own. I personally don't care to find myself without a body to say: well, that was kind of dumb.

We are mortal and immortal: we are both / AND. Your mileage may vary.

Serious self-inquiry is an opportunity that presents itself when strong beliefs are exposed, such as may occur when listening to "one guy who is fairly well known" .... What if we are the creator of our own universe? What is it in us that rises in objection? What is the underlying belief that is showing itself? What in us is screaming: that can't be, it goes against everything I've been taught! What stake does that voice have in our reality? Why are we listening to it? Whose is it? I went to college! I am a member of a union! My name is Frank! They are only stories we tell ourselves.

As a friend said this weekend: "in your direct link with creation nothing is real unless you say so."

Morrighan:

It seems to me that you are denying the validity of what other people have experienced, even though you didn't have their experiences. It is so convenient for you to deny the validity of what everybody else has experienced and learned. Perhaps this is a way for you avoid having to deal with some of what others have found. No need to avoid, since in the end things work out quite well.

Eben Alexander had an NDE where his body-based memory was cleared to an extent, where such memories didn't effect him in the way they usually do when people have NDEs. During his experience he forgot all about his life in this world.

Eventually he met up with a being he called either Core, Om or God, as he wrote his book called "Proof of Heaven." He did this because he didn't want God's magnificence to be minimized by some of the false and limiting concepts people associate with God. At a later time, during an interview, he stated that he now uses the word "God." (It is sad that so many people have a problem with this name.)

On page 47 of "Proof Heaven he says "God, the Creator, the Source who is responsible for making the universe and all that is in it. This being was so close that there seemed to be no distance at all between God and myself. Yet at the same time, I could sense the infinite vastness of the Creator,  could see how completely minuscule I was by comparison."

On pages 85-86 he wrote: "One of the biggest mistakes people make when they think about God is to imagine God as impersonal. Yes, God is behind the numbers, the perfection of the universe that science measures and struggles to understand. But-again, paradoxically-Om [God] is "human" as well--even more human than you and I are.  Om understands and sympathizes with our human situation more profoundly and personally than we can even imagine because Om knows what we have forgotten, and understands the terrible burden it is to live with amnesia of the divine for even a moment."

Eben also wrote in his book that God allowed evil because such allowance enables us to have free will. Related to this, I believe that wanting to return to God is a choice. When we avoid reacquainting ourselves with our divine source, perhaps by pretending to be beyond what everybody else has learned, we don't do ourselves a favor. If we want to grow spiritually, it is essential to open ourselves to our divine source. It is okay to receive inspiration from people who have had success doing so. It is not superior to deny what others have learned.

Since during his NDE Eben went beyond his body-based memories and made contact with the creator of everything, God, I believe his experience reflects more than a belief system. What he says about God seems correct to me.

Recoverer 2 wrote on Aug 15^th, 2017 at 4:27pm:

Morrighan: It seems to me that you are denying the validity of what other people have experienced, even though you didn't have their experiences. It is so convenient for you to deny the validity of what everybody else has experienced and learned. Perhaps this is a way for you avoid having to deal with some of what others have found. No need to avoid, since in the end things work out quite well.

Hi. Squinting hard to see where I wrote or implied such, or any need to "avoid". Uncertain how one may find I hold such to be "convenient." I trust what I wrote in just upthread is quite clear.

Morrighan:

On reply # 1 Seagull said: "I don't know whether someone can answer that question rationally without having factual knowledge of what the afterlife offers."

In my responses I referred to NDEs, OBEs, my non-physical experiences, meditations and inner knowing.

On reply # 2 you said: "Seagullresting nails it. Which is why we go look for ourselves, rather than relying on the accounts of others."

As you are prone to do, you decided to delegitimize the validity of what people other than yourself have experienced and learned. I don't know how a person can have an intelligent conversation with a person who finds it necessary to constantly deny the validity of the spiritual experiences and findings of others. I speak of NDEs and such, and you speak of Jonestown suicides.

I can understand about not wanting to be limited by one's psychological conditioning as one tries to find out what is true, but blindly disregarding what others have found and not being limited by psychological conditioning, are not the same thing. It is possible to consider what others say about their experiences and findings, without being fooled and limited by what they say, as long as one doesn't become overly emotionally attached to what they say, or doesn't have related pre-existing emotional attachments. Such emotional freedom will enable one to consider what somebody else says with discernment.

There might be occasions when people other than yourself have discovered and concluded in a way that is true. If we become emotionally attached to not considering what others have to say, we might lose the openness to discover the same thing.

Don't avoid becoming aware of God's existence, because you are afraid of getting caught up in someone else's psychological conditioning.



Morrighan wrote on Aug 15^th, 2017 at 5:35pm:

Recoverer 2 wrote on Aug 15th, 2017 at 4:27pm: Morrighan: It seems to me that you are denying the validity of what other people have experienced, even though you didn't have their experiences. It is so convenient for you to deny the validity of what everybody else has experienced and learned. Perhaps this is a way for you avoid having to deal with some of what others have found. No need to avoid, since in the end things work out quite well. Hi. Squinting hard to see where I wrote or implied such, or any need to "avoid". Uncertain how one may find I hold such to be "convenient." I trust what I wrote in just upthread is quite clear.

Albert, these are grave and personal allegations in a public forum.

Yes, I absolutely state: "Which is why we go look for ourselves, rather than relying on the accounts of others."

I've never said otherwise. Go look for yourself. Which I am given to understand is the purpose of Afterlife Knowledge - to explore for ourselves, and to find what we find without regard to any preconceived notions.


Recoverer 2 wrote on Aug 15^th, 2017 at 6:28pm:

Morrighan: On reply # 1 Seagull said: "I don't know whether someone can answer that question rationally without having factual knowledge of what the afterlife offers." In my responses I referred to NDEs, OBEs, my non-physical experiences, meditations and inner knowing. On reply # 2 you said: "Seagullresting nails it. Which is why we go look for ourselves, rather than relying on the accounts of others." As you are prone to do, you decided to delegitimize the validity of what people other than yourself have experienced and learned. I don't know how a person can have an intelligent conversation with a person who finds it necessary to constantly deny the validity of the spiritual experiences and findings of others. I speak of NDEs and such, and you speak of Jonestown suicides. I can understand about not wanting to be limited by one's psychological conditioning as one tries to find out what is true, but blindly disregarding what others have found and not being limited by psychological conditioning, are not the same thing. It is possible to consider what others say about their experiences and findings, without being fooled and limited by what they say, as long as one doesn't become overly emotionally attached to what they say, or doesn't have related pre-existing emotional attachments. Such emotional freedom will enable one to consider what somebody else says with discernment. There might be occasions when people other than yourself have discovered and concluded in a way that is true. If we become emotionally attached to not considering what others have to say, we might lose the openness to discover the same thing. Don't avoid becoming aware of God's existence, because you are afraid of getting caught up in someone else's psychological conditioning.

Morrighan:

Don't act so thin skinned when on more than one occasion you have spoken as if what other people have discovered through NDEs and such, shouldn't be considered to be valid information. Perhaps on a spiritual forum you should be more respectful.

Perhaps you should apologize to the NDErs etc that took the time to share their WISDOM with others.



Morrighan wrote on Aug 15^th, 2017 at 6:37pm:

Albert, these are grave and personal allegations in a public forum. Yes, I absolutely state: "Which is why we go look for ourselves, rather than relying on the accounts of others." I've never said otherwise. Go look for yourself. Which I am given to understand is the purpose of Afterlife Knowledge - to explore for ourselves, and to find what we find without regard to any preconceived notions.

Reading a book about New York City in no way equates to visiting or living in New York City. A beautifully written book about the charms of New York may inspire me to visit. Bravo. There are also books about the gritty side that is also New York and I may be like: I'm going to Hawaii.

The only way to tell what New York is about is to go there myself. I will see what I see and there may be very few matches between what I read and what I find.

Disrespect is telling me personally who you believe I should be and how I should comport myself. No disrespect intended.

Morrighan:

Someday you'll realize that I am trying to be helpful.

Recoverer 2 wrote on Aug 15^th, 2017 at 8:07pm:

Morrighan: Someday you'll realize that I am trying to be helpful.

Where I hail from it's considered rather rude and intrusive to "help" when help is neither requested nor required. To topic, "Some near death experiences speak of how they are anxious to return to the spirit world because life is much better there than here."

And I reply in a couple installments: 1) go look for yourself - don't take anyone's word for it; 2) how about if you (general you) could find what you seek here and now; 3) I'm personally not down with agreeing to die to verify someone else's belief systems ("very dangerous, you go first"); and 4) we are both mortal and immortal, we are both / and. And, by implication, we are here because we choose to be here. You (general you) may beg to differ on that but none is keeping you here. We are free to go any time we choose.

None of this is a denial of anyone's belief systems or experiences. I do my work every single day. I know the turf, and the turf beyond the beyond. It's what I do. At no point do I made any suggestion of what you (specific you) or anyone else should expect to find beyond 3D. No disrespect implied.

Recoverer 2 wrote on Aug 15^th, 2017 at 6:28pm:

Morrighan: On reply # 1 Seagull said: "I don't know whether someone can answer that question rationally without having factual knowledge of what the afterlife offers." In my responses I referred to NDEs, OBEs, my non-physical experiences, meditations and inner knowing. On reply # 2 you said: "Seagullresting nails it. Which is why we go look for ourselves, rather than relying on the accounts of others." As you are prone to do, you decided to delegitimize the validity of what people other than yourself have experienced and learned. I don't know how a person can have an intelligent conversation with a person who finds it necessary to constantly deny the validity of the spiritual experiences and findings of others.

Albert,

I'm just now catching up on this thread, and I haven't read through it entirely yet but wanted to comment as I move along.

What I read and understood from Morrighan's quote (as well as what I can tell from all of her posts) is not the same interpretation that you seem to have of her.

My impression and interpretation of what she's says is that "Someone having their own direct experience is the only way for someone to fully know what the truth is for them."  (That's my quote, a paraphrase).  And I don't mean "knowing" on a mental level.  I mean knowing as in innate and inherent.  And as far as "rather than relying on the accounts of others", I interpreted that to mean "if your knowledge only relied on what you've heard from other people, you won't know it in the same way as if you had your own experience."

For example, my NDE was simultaneously a new experience which taught me a lot that I didn't know, and an experience which taught me that I already know all of this.  I had just "forgotten" it. 

But without experiencing it directly myself I would only be able to understand it on a mental level, no matter how many books I read on the subject.  But, to have experienced it myself I now understand it on a soul level. 

So this, to me, is what I interpret Morrighan means in the way in which she demonstrates it to us.  I know you have discussed with her many times about the concept of teachers and what we learn, etc. but I still  have always gotten the same impression of her meaning.  Whereas, you definitely take it in a different direction than I do.  Teachers can teach us knowledge, but they can't teach us experience.  We have to experience experience.  And too, to me a teacher's job is to teach so that the student surpasses them.  Meaning not to be better or smarter, but to push them off into another direction, one in which the teacher didn't actually teach.  The only way to really, truly learn is to have experience.  Otherwise, it's just knowledge.  And "teach" can mean many different things because we don't always know that what we do teaches someone something.  Just as we don't always know when we are learning something. 

Vicky:

What I said isn't based on this thread alone. In this case I feel that I need to go by my experience, and going by what I've read on various threads, Morrighan has a tendency to dismiss what other people have experienced. I believe that God and those who work with him have set up things so that people can learn from each other, including NDErs, and when somebody speaks with a tone that seems to be dismissive of what NDErs have to share, out of my love for God and all that is good, I feel the need to speak up. If Morrighan finds this insulting in some way, perhaps she shouldn't be so quick to be dismissive of what others have experienced, on a public forum.

Certainly our own experiences are the most key, but that doesn't mean we can't learn from what other people have experienced. I have found that when I read about the experiences of others, I can get a feeling for what they experienced.  I have read of near death experiencers finding it beneficial to hear or read about what other NDErs have experienced. Eben Alexander found it helpful to read about what other NDErs have experienced.

Morrighan:

When I said I was trying to be helpful, I didn't have only you in mind. I also had in mind other people that might benefit by some of the things I said on this thread. Consider the part where I spoke of how Eben Alexander speaks of God. I believe this is no small matter. In fact, it is probably the most important thing people can know. That there is a God creator who exists as a very definite personality, while also being the source of everything. Such a key point can play a very significant role in a person's spiritual life. One of the great things some NDErs  have done, is let people know about the existence of God. Therefore, when you seemed to minimize their importance by your "only personal experience matters" talk, I felt inspired to share Eben Alexander's gracious and giving attempt to let people know about his experience with God. Despite all of my experiences, I humbly thank Eben for sharing his experience with God.

Wow! This is an afterlife forum. Is it really surprising that a person refers to NDEs, when explaining "one" of the reasons he believes that a wonderful existence awaits him in the afterlife? Sometimes good news is good news. I guess this is the sort of thing that can happen, when a person is overly opposed to benefit by hearing what others have experienced.

In my youth we drove about in a 1967 VW bus that we painted with great attention. In transit we lifted mirrors to the windows for the inevitable gawkers.

I still do that. Just better at it now.

I find much wisdom in the posts of many who visit here.  I surely hope that I have absorbed some of it over time. My thoughts are, at the moment, that sometimes when a really great idea or experience is shared, the substance of it can become less clear when personal opinions of the speaker about others are added into the mix.

It is natural, of course, and quite human.

One could remove the passing references to other people and disagreements over this and that (remove the judgmental statements or assumptions about others) and be quite wowed by the wisdom and maturity of some speakers here.

It is difficult to be a speaker of your own truth. Other people will misunderstand you sometimes. It is a given.

But, this post is mainly in gratitude. For all the amazing people who have come and gone. Whatever they thought or did, it is good to respect that each is an individual, worth remembering and protecting, wherever we can do it.

seagullresting wrote on Aug 16^th, 2017 at 6:12pm:

It is difficult to be a speaker of your own truth. Other people will misunderstand you sometimes. It is a given.

Speaking of ... a rather good while ago I was one of 12 selected for an advanced astral travel seminar conducted (physically) in the Alps. The facilitator said: "don't talk to dead people."

"They're some of my best friends!" I replied. None had any idea I was talking about the Grateful Dead  :D I was obliged to direct the group to: explainthefunnyoutofthejoke.com

Just for my curriosity. They invited you because they know you personally in physical world what you do and what skills you have or they know about your work from nonphysical realms and decided that you were a good canditate for that seminar?

Soulmael wrote on Aug 17^th, 2017 at 9:46am:

Just for my curriosity. They invited you because they know you personally in physical world what you do and what skills you have or they know about your work from nonphysical realms and decided that you were a good canditate for that seminar?

Those who hold awareness of my post history at this site are likely cognizant on some level that what I share here are my personal observations from my work as only pertains to the pursuit of afterlife knowledge. The precise nature of what, exactly, I do - and my personal history are irrelevant to the majority of discussions that take place here.

Nonetheless sometimes a bit leaks out as part of making a point and it is fair that I reply to direct questions in a manner appropriate to the nature of this forum.

I predicate my reply with two caveats: 1) we are multidimensional field beings being multidimensional fields; and 2) the stories we tell ourselves (and others) about ourselves are only stories. Every book that is opened and read also needs to be put back on the shelf when we are done.

I wear - physically - a circuit that is created with the highest intent of maintaining my field integrity when I am at work in the so-called "astral planes". It only appears to be a bracelet in 3D to other humans who see their landscape through human eyes.

For what it's worth - personally speaking - I detest work in the "astral planes" and seldom engage except by necessity.

The back story? First, the circuit I wear interfaces with the microlines of our energetic selves. There is no special power in the bracelet, and I don't ascribe any special abilities to it any more than I credit myself with any extraordinary "powers". I am who I am doing exactly what is mine to do.

What is mine to do manifested in part when I responded to a call to join eleven others - a twelfth joined us later to complete the circle - in the Alps for an extended period of shared work. The precise nature of this work is not relevant to this forum, which is to say none of it concerns afterlife knowledge.

We gathered together in what is commonly called "The Cloud Room" where the astral travel facilitator assigned us highly specific tasks. We were given 30 minutes to complete the task on/in the astral planes and report in.

I was tasked with the retrieval of a specifically assigned piece of information. I "met" with the facilitator in a specific place that is neither in time nor in space. All I will share is it is very dry and very hard, and entry is forbidden except by invitation. The facilitator showed me what he wanted me to see. When we "returned" to The Cloud Room I reproduced in chalk the exact glyph of the sacred language we engage in when we are together.

Three days later I was given custody of the circuit that appears as a bracelet in 3D. It is constructed of silver, gold and garnet. By "custody" I mean to state this multidimensional creation is a responsibility, not a reward. It is in my possession at this point in time it because of what is mine to do. The "bracelet" was created specifically to match my field and is utterly useless to any other.

End of story.

seagullresting wrote on Aug 16^th, 2017 at 6:12pm:

It is difficult to be a speaker of your own truth. Other people will misunderstand you sometimes. It is a given.

This is so true for me, even within my own family (biological family).  Not just about my spiritual beliefs but about anything.  My family are people who like things to be superficial.  It's easier for them. 


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But, this post is mainly in gratitude. For all the amazing people who have come and gone. Whatever they thought or did, it is good to respect that each is an individual, worth remembering and protecting, wherever we can do it.

This is very nice.  I like that you say this, and I agree.

Vicky

Morrighan wrote on Aug 17^th, 2017 at 11:36am:

Soulmael wrote on Aug 17th, 2017 at 9:46am: Just for my curriosity. They invited you because they know you personally in physical world what you do and what skills you have or they know about your work from nonphysical realms and decided that you were a good canditate for that seminar? Those who hold awareness of my post history at this site are likely cognizant on some level that what I share here are my personal observations from my work as only pertains to the pursuit of afterlife knowledge. The precise nature of what, exactly, I do - and my personal history are irrelevant to the majority of discussions that take place here. Nonetheless sometimes a bit leaks out as part of making a point and it is fair that I reply to direct questions in a manner appropriate to the nature of this forum. I predicate my reply with two caveats: 1) we are multidimensional field beings being multidimensional fields; and 2) the stories we tell ourselves (and others) about ourselves are only stories. Every book that is opened and read also needs to be put back on the shelf when we are done. I wear - physically - a circuit that is created with the highest intent of maintaining my field integrity when I am at work in the so-called "astral planes". It only appears to be a bracelet in 3D to other humans who see their landscape through human eyes. For what it's worth - personally speaking - I detest work in the "astral planes" and seldom engage except by necessity. The back story? First, the circuit I wear interfaces with the microlines of our energetic selves. There is no special power in the bracelet, and I don't ascribe any special abilities to it any more than I credit myself with any extraordinary "powers". I am who I am doing exactly what is mine to do. What is mine to do manifested in part when I responded to a call to join eleven others - a twelfth joined us later to complete the circle - in the Alps for an extended period of shared work. The precise nature of this work is not relevant to this forum, which is to say none of it concerns afterlife knowledge. We gathered together in what is commonly called "The Cloud Room" where the astral travel facilitator assigned us highly specific tasks. We were given 30 minutes to complete the task on/in the astral planes and report in. I was tasked with the retrieval of a specifically assigned piece of information. I "met" with the facilitator in a specific place that is neither in time nor in space. All I will share is it is very dry and very hard, and entry is forbidden except by invitation. The facilitator showed me what he wanted me to see. When we "returned" to The Cloud Room I reproduced in chalk the exact glyph of the sacred language we engage in when we are together. Three days later I was given custody of the circuit that appears as a bracelet in 3D. It is constructed of silver, gold and garnet. By "custody" I mean to state this multidimensional creation is a responsibility, not a reward. It is in my possession at this point in time it because of what is mine to do. The "bracelet" was created specifically to match my field and is utterly useless to any other. End of story.

I can't even think of a response or question right now  :o.   I have to let it sink in.  You definitely have an interesting life! 

Imagine a thank you is in order, Vicky, but it's not about me. Informing the field of what goes on right now where few think to look is more the name of the game.

Which opens this opportunity to illustrate multidimensionality using the astral travel facilitator as a model to explain the phenomenon. This is pertinent to afterlife knowledge as those of us who explore beyond the physical come to personally experience. We are multidimensional field beings being multidimensional fields.

The astral travel symposium facilitator mentioned above goes in "Real Life" by the name P--- "P" is close enough; it is accurate; but the first letter is a translation of his name in his native tongue into English. I will say P for his name in this illustration because the work he does is undertaken far away from the public eye. That's polite talk for "none of your business."

Now it so happens I see him "In Real Life" (physically) now and again on multiple continents, for our trajectories sometimes cross owing to our own multidimensioal aspects.

Physically he is of very slight build with short, curly blond hair. He presents as what I call "smart casual." He wears what appear to be expensive soft leather moccasins, and, typically, creased white pants. He moves most purposefully, and there is a hint of a professionally trained dancer's gait. He wears a ring of intertwined gold and silver. We are informed it is one of only a few created for a specific purpose, and no more of them will be created. (A ring I wear was created by the same people for a highly specific purpose. It is one-of-a-kind and no more like it will be created. It's due for an upgrade my next visit.)

In short, P does not, to the casual eye, appear in any way imposing. That is his 3D aspect.

His presence in his own multidimensional self presents a paradox. His physical presence of apparent harmlessness is offset by his greater Being that resides in his 3D avatar we call a body.

To the sensitive, his greater being transmits a signal of grave danger to anyone who comes too close. Those who do not hold conscious awareness of these areas react to his presence by moving the heck out of the way. "Avoid" is what the bodies of standard grade humans understand. The signal hits well below the conscious level. I might even say it stimulates a primitive function on a DNA level. The body knows that to come closer is done at one's personal peril. People may literally jump back to get out of his way without any conscious awareness of why. He does broadcast this warning signal clearly and everybody - consciously aware or not - responds to it. It's who he is. In fact, his signal precedes his movement in time and space so that people avoid his intended path before he arrives - they clear out before he presences himself on his trajectory. None of this is deep magic. If you are rowing a dingy you know to get out of the way of an approaching cruise liner. Field beings have a wide field and know to move out of the way to avoid collision.

Of course people who know who P is, why he is in their field and what he is doing do not have the same reaction to his presence. Those who share his landscape are supposed to be there by consensual agreement.

It is most emphatically not to suggest in any way that P is unaligned with Creation. P is who he is because he is who he is. When we are dealing with multidimensionality, it is wise to abandon human constructs of what "should be".

A crocodile, for example, does not care about your (general your) favorite saints and guardian angels. The crocodile's beingness is in crocodile space, not human space. The crocodile is an equal in Creation, has a place and purpose in Creation, and is a crocodile in BEING. If you (general you) ignore all the signs that you are trespassing in the crocodile's domain, you stand a good chance of an immediate express ride to the afterlife. (Some, who view the "afterlife" as preferable to "earth life" may consider this a good thing, but our bodies don't much like it.)  None of which makes the crocodile in any way evil. A crocodile is a crocodile. And P is who he is. Should you encounter P and cross swords with him for any reason, you have done so despite all warnings and good luck to you. (P is not a crocodile, in case you wondered. P is a spiritual being embodied as a human. And he certainly knows who  he is.)

To those who hold sensitivity of fields, P is a walking example of both / and. Physically, P appears to be mostly harmless. In P's multidimensionality P is clearly capable of conducting himself properly in any situation.

The point, for those who read this far, is we all hold aspects that are not visible and are understood nonetheless. We become aware of our own multidimensality when we remember who we are. Like Vicky says, her NDE renewed awareness of what she already knew.

And I draw this illustration of P as a template to be integrated into our awareness as we begin to remember who we are in the pursuit of afterlife knowledge.

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Now informed well after the previous post that P is in my shared field, and is meeting right now with two who work with me. Synchronic lines are synchonistic .....