Hi all,

I am new to this forum and here to learn and share on this fantastic topic...

Two questions if you don't mind;

1/ Is there any persons here practicing OBE more or less at will ?

2/ Is there some kind of consensus about the technique Bruce Moen uses for retrievals ?

Love to all of you.

Hi, Focus 69.

To your first question: I am a person and can OBE at will. Do I? No I don't. I don't personally find it interesting or useful. To me, embodiment is the crux of the biscuit. In my experience, very few people choose to fully embody. In my experience, our bodies are wonderous and beautiful.

To your second question: consensus? Here? It is to  laugh. My personal experience is Bruce's techniques are a bit like training wheels on a bike. At some point it's best to explore the world for yourself, and then discover you don't even need the bike. Nine out of ten dentists agree your mileage may vary.  :D

"My personal experience is Bruce's techniques are a bit like training wheels on a bike".

Interesting. That's the precise example Bruce used in his workshop I attended years ago in northern VA. I'm wondering who you are...

R

rondele wrote on Apr 29^th, 2017 at 11:25am:

"My personal experience is Bruce's techniques are a bit like training wheels on a bike". Interesting. That's the precise example Bruce used in his workshop I attended years ago in northern VA. I'm wondering who you are... R

I find it best to stay focused instead on who you are. I already know who I am  8-)

To expand briefly on embodiment, many/most of us are taught there is something wrong with our embodiment. This notion pervades most of our religious and spiritual teachings.

I'm not really into what others tell me, right? What I do know empirically is  when we first open a dialogue with our body, his/her first response is likely to be F-Y. This is often the case because that is precisely what we have been telling our body for most of our lives. It takes great patience and compassion to open a new dialogue with our body, in my experience.

Is there other persons here able to OBE at will ?

And what is an accurate description of the technique Moen used to do his retrievals you qualified " training wheels on a bike" please ?

(And last but not least what would be an accurate description of the technique Moen used to do his retrievals WITHOUT " training wheels on a bike" please ?)

Thanks

Focus 69 wrote on Apr 29^th, 2017 at 10:32am:

Hi all, I am new to this forum and here to learn and share on this fantastic topic... Two questions if you don't mind; 1/ Is there any persons here practicing OBE more or less at will ? 2/ Is there some kind of consensus about the technique Bruce Moen uses for retrievals ? Love to all of you.

Hi Focus 69,

You and I have talked privately about this...yes, I know how to induce OBEs at will.  It's one of my favorite practices, although it works best when I'm not so busy in life and when I can get decent regular sleep, otherwise I'm not able to hold my conscious awareness for very long. 

Bruce's method doesn't teach OBE.  His method is much simpler than learning to induce an out-of-body experience.  When you get his Guidebook and go through the exercises in it you'll quickly find how easy his method is.  He designed it this way so that anyone can learn to do Retrievals by using your imagination and learning to use your nonphysical senses. 

Vicky's reply is accurate.

IMO, OBE is overhyped and overrated. A retrieval takes about 3 seconds, tops.

Is there an electronic version of his guidebook by the way ?

3 secs for a retrieval ? Can you develop please ?

If there are e-Bruce offerings I'm not aware of those.

A retrieval takes no time. Three seconds was my outside estimate. To me, there are more interesting and useful things to do than retrievals. YMMV.

Uncertain where the idea that time required for retrievals and and the rigamarole of OBE and OBE preparation &c gained traction.

If you are able to make OBE at will please tell us how you do that and please come visit scientists friends to monitor your performance proving it is real by bringing back a secret code in the RTZ during your exit.

OBE? Embodiment is the ticket.  :D

Not sure i understand, could you develop enough i can do it as well please ?

"Everyone" is excited to get out of their body for reasons that are, I suppose, historical (but massively misleading). The body has great wisdom and power. (And many dispute this vigorously owing to the previous point.)

Speaking strictly from my own experience: all the work I do is from my embodiment and in my embodiment. What I personally find is the rigamarole of OBE and all the preparations blah blah woof woof are strictly unnecessary, and are even hindrances.

Bruce's techniques are a lovely starting point but are not (in my experience) a destination. Some can show you a map to get to Shelbyville, you can read Yelp reviews of Shelbyville restaurants, you can look up Shelbyville on a Wiki, but nothing substitutes for actually going to Shelbyville yourself. And your experience of Shelbyville is going to be different from mine, by definition.   

You wrote "Speaking strictly from my own experience: all the work I do is from my embodiment and in my embodiment"

Could you be more specific please ? The goal is to reproduce what you do so...!

And second question, are you able yes or no when in an OBE to see a code or a figure which is written in another room please ?

Friendly

Our teams are at work. That's shorthand for "do what is yours to do". Or to look at it another way, our teams are doing what is ours to do so that you are free to do what is yours to do.

As to the question of "seeing" things in another room .... strikes me as very 1950s. Truly a massive misunderstanding. Something like scientists attempting to figure out a djinn with a slide rule.

Sometimes talks have to be verified by facts.
I understand thats not what you want to deal with and i respect your choice but then tell us what to say to scientists who need proofs and tell me how to collect proofs as well ?

Could you clarify your position, you think to guess a code is impossible and/or corny ? What do you propose then please i am open ?

A partnered retrieval* is most appropriate to this board and our participants here.

Every institution known to man has been doing research in these areas for decades. No sum of results has ever satisfied a particular set of individuals who make a living at debunking.


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* I did my partnered retrieval bits years and years ago. There is a call now for partnered retrieval volunteers in that sub-forum.

Scientists will prove the reality of this phenomenon soon or later if it is real.

But i dont see where you answer to my previous message though ?

And someone can explain me why you guys take so much energy to act as if there was more than the both of us on this forum ? I mean we are 4 at best with "rondele" so what is the purpose of trying to resucitate this forum as noble as it is ? I mean thats not so dramatic, is it ? or did i miss something here ?)

The numbers here of doers vs. talkers is unknown to me. Been absent from this board for at least seven years. I'm in occasional contact with some of the "old guard" but we've largely gone our own ways.

I'm at work at what I do every single day including Sundays and holidays. Very little I can offer in the way of teaching. Bruce is a good resource for that. I'm aware of very few who do what I do. Our work is technical and, yes, we see Real World (TM) results. That work is necessarily out of the public eye. There's no advertising, no YouTube channels, no meet-and-greets.

What else may I answer?

"real world TM result" ? what do you mean please ? You are overall very sybilin to me.

I am very sorry but i still dont see where you answer to my question here. You claim to OBE at will, i just ask you to explain me your technique because it is a very rare skill.

And of course i wont learn you that we are talking on the site of Bruce Moen who clearly invites peoples to collect proofs from their journeys on the reality of the phenomenon so i think i can assume my quest. So if you can supply me a way to find that proof i am looking for, you are more than welcome.

--> Real World (capitalized) + (TM) where (TM) = Trademark <-- is joke. It is to laugh.

My "technique" as you coin it, is full embodiment.

As stated above and in multiple other place Here (TM), I personally find OBE to be a waste of time, an annoyance and a hindrance to my work. If I had to do OBE just to get anything done I'd never get anything done.

In the belief you (personal you) read Bruce's material, he also sought proofs. He did so himself, and Bruce documented the search for proof extensively. You (personal and plural) also need to find your own proof. This is done by doing it yourself.

Vicky has an APB out for partnered retrievals as we speak.

Sorry my english is very bad so i can not always understand your understatments, subtle references and stuffs...

So can you describe your full embodiment technique to OBE ? (i know you dont like OBE you already told me but as far as i am concerned i like it very much)

"Vicky has an APB " What is an APB please ?

APB = All Points Bulletin, also known as a "cattle call". Come one, come all. Vicky is a Super Admin here and is taking over Bruce's duties as board monitor. So the invitation for partnered explorations comes from on top.

Embodiment means exactly what it sounds like. OBE = Out of Body Experience. Embodiment = staying fully IN the body.

In my experience, very few people are willing to fully embody for reasons I sketched above. There are long-standing understandings in most areas that can basically be summarized as: the body is corrupt and the spirit is pure. Can't get to heaven unless you die and other such nonsense. I mean: who the sam hill is telling anyone they have to die to be free? What a load of crap. 'Scuse me.

So there's a long standing tradition on this planet (and elsewhere) that OBE is the path to .... whatever it is one believes is only accessible by leaving the body. It's nonsense, pure and simple, in my experience.

How does one fully embody?

Heh.

Nobody ever told you that, did they? Many of us have somewhat tenuous relationships with our bodies. We don't listen to them. We tell them to shut up. And on and on. Proof? I'm tired but I'm going to stay up to watch the end of this movie. We all do it all the time. And much worse. We blame our bodies for pretty much anything and everything ....

Embodiment begins with being fully present to our body, hey? Sometimes that's no so pleasant for people who've been abusing their bodies for a long while.

That's where it begins. We open a new relationship with our body.

And what is it, exactly, I do when I begin work? Certainly I pay a great deal of attention to my body. I work with my eyes open, at a desk. No magic decks of cards, no blessed offerings, no smells and bells, I am my own sacred space. No OBE. I just go to work.

The work our teams engage in has very little to do with afterlife retrievals. Thus I don't mention it here unless some aspect is relevant to the general discussion. As repeatedly stated elsewhere, and now here, I've thrown away all the books. On completely new ground. I don't care a whit about what famous person A or B says or what sacred text this or that says, or what I should find when I go to work. I find what I find and go on to the next.

HTH (Hope this helps)

Thanks for your answer even if i think you already told me a bit of this.

Having said that, i still dont see in your answer where you explain me to make an OBE at will precisely but i will not insist as my english probably prevent me from understanding.

Thanks for your effort anyway.

How does one explain doing OBE "at will"? Same as one explains riding a bicycle "at will". You can't do it until you do it, and the only way to do it is to do it. "I'm riding a bike!" Anyone tell you how to that? Probably not. Someone (Dad, Mom, Sis, Bro) plunked you on a bike and .... somehow you learned. And then it was easy. But you ultimately did it yourself.

OBE. Big deal. We all do it. Easy as caek. It's what we did as kids every single night. "I'm going to bed and I can fly! I can be free! Wheeee!" And off to the astrals we go, where we can fly and explore and have all kinds of fun that we can't do because our doggone body won't let us walk through walls like we can when we are OBE.

The Matrix reference -> There is no spoon. <-

Been asked elsewhere here how I do what I do, e.g. go to work without OBE etc. etc. I just do it. In my full embodiment. How does one explain what it is to be fully embodied when almost nobody on this planet is fully embodied?

There is no spoon.

Yeah i think i understand what you mean but i am sure others than me could consider "there is no spoon" as a very interesting prelude clue but not as a subtancial "tutorial" hehe ! ^^

Hello Good People.

I think there is some confusion about Out of Body Experience or not.  Not everyone goes OB to go to the 'other-side'.  I have never had that experience even as a child.  I didn't learn to fly until I started doing retrievals and my helpers taught me by telling me to step off a cliff because "You can fly now."  They had fun teaching me by taking me on some 'thrill rides' across the sky and into outer space. :o :D  They only stopped because I told them I was there to do retrievals and not just have fun. 

I learned to do retrievals from Bruce Moen's books using imagination to get there.  I also read the retrieval forum for days at a time trying to learn from others who were doing the same thing.  I did find out most do something a little different from their peers.  

I'm a firm believer in "Whatever works".  If it works for you than that is what you should do.  No one should make hard and fast rules for others.  We each have to find our own way.

I hope this helps.
T'ressa

Well seen, Baroness.

I have regularly OBE and this experience is so stunning and clear it can not be confused with anything else as far as im concerned. If i miss something here please do not hesitate.

Curious why, Focus69, in the new (to me) understanding you OBE at will, why who else OBEs is important? Genuinely curious, not a challenge. Because I don't means nothing.

Morrighan wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2017 at 5:43pm:

Curious why, Focus69, in the new (to me) understanding you OBE at will, why who else OBEs is important? Genuinely curious, not a challenge. Because I don't means nothing.

Your english is very uneasy for me to understand please forgive me for this.

Would you mind reformulate it in a more simple way please ?

You think my English is elliptical, Focus69, you should hear my German!

^ Joke

In your original post you ask who here OBEs at will, and if there is any consensus on technique.

I reply (elliptically) now that we are given to understand you that you OBE at will, why is it important to see who else OBEs at will? I ask only from curiosity.

Few here have replied to your original questions. We see from those who did reply there is no consensus as to technique.

A partnered retrieval is a fine thing, in my opinion.

LOOOL yeah "elliptical" english, so well found and thats so you, your english is pretty sophisticated !! Is english your first language btw ?

No i dont OBE at will but im looking for some who can for experiences with scientists and to learn from them.

"A partnered retrieval is a fine thing, in my opinion. " okay but who is agree to do that with me ?

Focus 69,

If your OBEs are stunning and clear and can not be confused,  then you have found your way.  Go for it in your own way.  If you get confused, ask for a helper on the other-side.  I usually say "Good Day" with the Intention of a helper coming to me.  Sometimes I have to wait a few seconds as they make their way through to me, but they always come.  I've never had to wait more than 10 seconds.  Over the years I've made friends with some of them.  It can be very interesting.  Good luck to you.

Morrighan, Thank you for your kind words.

Sending love,
T'ressa

In this thread
http://afterlife-knowledge.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?num=1409194592
Vicky asks who may wish to do partnered explorations. Perhaps you can private message her, and/or reply to the thread. Vicky is very experienced in these areas.

English is my mother tongue, as they say, Focus69. It's not my only language.

With more than 66 million views, "Go Your Own Way" seems to be the watchword. https://youtu.be/6ul-cZyuYq4

Good to meet you too, Baroness.

Baroness wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2017 at 6:44pm:

Focus 69, If your OBEs are stunning and clear and can not be confused,  then you have found your way.  Go for it in your own way.  If you get confused, ask for a helper on the other-side.  I usually say "Good Day" with the Intention of a helper coming to me.  Sometimes I have to wait a few seconds as they make their way through to me, but they always come.  I've never had to wait more than 10 seconds.  Over the years I've made friends with some of them.  It can be very interesting.  Good luck to you. Morrighan, Thank you for your kind words. Sending love, T'ressa

No they are stunning but i dont control at all when they happen.
And please can you tell me how do you find helper please ?

Focus 69,

I suggest you read Bruce Moen's books.  They will take you step by step to help you navigate on the 'other-side'.  All I did and do is follow his instruction to start by using imagination.  Early on I created 'my place'.  It is a place I can go to quickly because I know it so well.  I made it comfortable and  inviting for myself and others.  It sits on the side of a mountain and has the cliff I stepped off of while learning to fly.  Inside is a room where I meet my helpers.  Intention is everything.  I call for them by saying "Good day, good day, good day, may  I have helpers, please."  They come through to me.  (Remember I don't go out of body).  On the Retrieval Forum I tell about a reading done while I was doing a retrieval.  It will give more detail of what is actually happening.

Intention, intention, intention is so important.  Staying focused and not allowing imagination and memory to interfere once contact is made is also important.  My helpers usually tell me who they are as they come through.  For me they all look alike.  Each one feels different to me, but that is me.  Helpers look different to different people.  Your experience may be completely different than mine.  Not to sound like a broken record, but again intention is the key to contact. 

If I were you, I would be doing lots of reading.  That is the way I started.  The more you know before you start the better.  Oh, one other thing.  Take love with you not fear.  The more you love the better.  Love will help you through some of the tougher times.

T'ressa

Baroness wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2017 at 5:24am:

Focus 69, I suggest you read Bruce Moen's books.  They will take you step by step to help you navigate on the 'other-side'.  All I did and do is follow his instruction to start by using imagination.  Early on I created 'my place'.  It is a place I can go to quickly because I know it so well.  I made it comfortable and  inviting for myself and others.  It sits on the side of a mountain and has the cliff I stepped off of while learning to fly.  Inside is a room where I meet my helpers.  Intention is everything.  I call for them by saying "Good day, good day, good day, may  I have helpers, please."  They come through to me.  (Remember I don't go out of body).  On the Retrieval Forum I tell about a reading done while I was doing a retrieval.  It will give more detail of what is actually happening. Intention, intention, intention is so important.  Staying focused and not allowing imagination and memory to interfere once contact is made is also important.  My helpers usually tell me who they are as they come through.  For me they all look alike.  Each one feels different to me, but that is me.  Helpers look different to different people.  Your experience may be completely different than mine.  Not to sound like a broken record, but again intention is the key to contact.  If I were you, I would be doing lots of reading.  That is the way I started.  The more you know before you start the better.  Oh, one other thing.  Take love with you not fear.  The more you love the better.  Love will help you through some of the tougher times. T'ressa

Thanks a lot T'ressa.

To be honest i already read too many books, watched too many videos, i do not learn so much new things lately...

My next step is to collect that proof i am looking for, not less no more.

Few questions;

1/ Could you be kind enough to describe me the ACCURATE process (maybe even preparation process) you do when entering a session until the moment you make contact please ?
2/ The place you created is like a "mental rundown" to start the experience right ?
3/ How do you contact helpers the first time ?
4/ Do you think helpers are real or "another you" from your imagination ? (i already tried to ask for helpers and i clearly had, as only "answer", the apparition and a laborious discussion with a construction of mine i could have called helper as well but...)
5/ Here you say; "For me they all look alike.  Each one feels different to me, but that is me."
So you say they all look alike for you then you say the opposite ? Do i miss something here ?

Thanks for time T'ressa., i really appreciate.

Baroness wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2017 at 5:24am:

Focus 69, I suggest you read Bruce Moen's books.  T'ressa

By the way i am looking for the guidebook in electronic version, would you know how can i obtain it ? (Because my eyes are too tired to read books in paperback)

Another question; in the afterlife topic, we often been told that one need to contact an helper first who will then find a person to be retrieve, but how come thoses helpers know the existence and the place to contact this stuck person and did nothing to retrieve him previously ?

In the awareness you asked Baroness these questions, and in the awareness my replies are likely of very little help, I'll say this:

I pay attention to what is in my field. This, to me, is the only criteria.  By "field" I mean my landscape. Field integrity is critical.

Afterlife retrievals are not necessarily part of my field. If one comes to my attention, then it is part of my field and I take care of it because whatever is in my field is mine to do. We take care of our fields, yes? That which is outside me stays outside me. That which I choose to let in I own. That's field integrity.

As mentioned elsewhere, I find there is not all that much to an afterlife retrieval. Takes a few seconds, done. Retrievals of aspects of self, these can take a bit of work. And that's another topic that has no relevance to afterlife knowledge. Or little relevance.

How do I do it? How does the Silly Little Finger Bending Exercise work? There ya go.

From my earliest "training" — taken with a large boulder of salt! for "training" is a massive distortion of it — I was told "there is always a guide". That's something I ceased worrying about well into last century LOL That's my take on "helpers". Likely you (Focus69) will get as many answers as there are people here, and maybe more ....

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A partnered exploration project is now posted at
http://afterlife-knowledge.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?num=1409194592

Enough of the likes of me observing there is a lot of talk and very little doing here. This is your (general your) opportunity to do.

I choose to post this project as a project moderator (not a board moderator). I hold full responsibility for this post. I chose the target. The photo of the recently deceased is all that is necessary.

All that is requested for this project is to go have a look at the target. This is not a retrieval. Please respect this target's field.  Please do not interfere with this target. The project is only about observation, not contact.

There are no correct answers, you will not be graded etc. etc. No need to post what you observe. After the seven days' window for exploration I will post infos about the target. You will make your own determination of your own findings. There will be cake.

If i understand you well, the helpers and guide are for you not only relevant but maybe not even real right ?

What is this Silly Little Finger Bending Exercise work ?

Bruce's guidebook is the source of the Silly Little Finger Bending Exercise. Short version ... in the understanding I am going by (likely faulty) memory as I have not read the book / listened to the CD in a long time:

Observe as you bend a single finger the point of intent to bend your finger.

There are more opinions than members here regarding helpers and guides. I don't personally (or professionally) endorse any of these views.

Morrighan wrote on Jun 6^th, 2017 at 6:42pm:

Bruce's guidebook is the source of the Silly Little Finger Bending Exercise. Short version ... in the understanding I am going by (likely faulty) memory as I have not read the book / listened to the CD in a long time: Observe as you bend a single finger the point of intent to bend your finger. There are more opinions than members here regarding helpers and guides. I don't personally (or professionally) endorse any of those views.

Would you mind explain us what is your PRECISE take on the topic of helpers please ?

My PRECISE take on helpers, as you ask, is




http://www.morrighanstarlight.com/uploads/4/9/5/0/49504433/7235769.jpg

LoooOoooL

So you mean thats all BS right ? Then what his your assumption about the nature of their misunderstanding please ?

Focus 69,

You really will get all of your questions answered, and more, by reading Bruce's Guidebook.  I know you said you are tired of reading, but if he doesn't have an e-book version out (and I don't think he does), then you definitely should just read the book.  You can get the CDs or MP3 that goes with it which is recording of Bruce guiding you through the book's exercises.  I highly recommend the book and the audio.

Many years ago I too had trouble grasping the concept of a Helper.  It took me a long time to get past my confusion and questions.  Maybe this will help give you some perspective on the concept and idea of what a Helper means and how it actually helps you.

Think of a Helper as an actual person who has all the answers that you need.  He's there to answer your questions, guide you, assist you etc.  Think of the idea of such a possibility as being real and true and that you fully accept this idea.  If you can get that far, then the rest is pretty easy. 

Now that you've accepted the idea that "A Helper" is simply there to help you, then it really doesn't matter "what" the helper is or how it works, or if it's real or not real.  We're only going with the idea that help is there if you need it. 

A good way to get acquainted with the idea of a helper is to create one in your mind.  Right now while awake and aware, close your eyes and imagine this "helper".  You can make up what it looks like, sounds like, etc.  Or you can just say to yourself, "I want to have a helper come."  If anything pops into your mind, you can use it as a helper.  It can be a color, an animal, an object, or just a feeling or thought.  The reason why it doesn't matter is because what you're doing is opening yourself up to the idea that you can receive help, guidance, and assistance.  It doesn't matter how you get it, just as long as you receive it. 

An example is, I use what I call my "Guidance" in everyday waking life.  I have had to practice and perfect my use of this "idea" that I have this thing I call Guidance.  You can call it my spirit guide, or an angel, but I tend to think of it as my Higher Self.  But it really doesn't matter to me.  I know what it feels like to me, so I recognize it by it's feeling.  You could say that this feeling to me is a state of consciousness that I recognize as being a true and valid connection with my Higher Self Awareness.  So, when I want to connect with that higher awareness and get comfort, or get questions answered, or get advice, etc., then I am setting my intention to bridge that connection and tune in to receiving what I'm looking for.  Because I've already established that I believe this is so, I can bypass all the needless worry about "Is this real?  Who is helping me?"  The point is, I'm wishing to access information, so therefore I'm going to allow myself to access it. 

Does that help you understand how you can utilize the role of a Helper?  If you want to think of a Helper as an angel, then do so.  If you want to think of a helper as a spirit guide, then do so.  But it really doesn't actually matter. 

While doing a retrieval, let's say you were in a very good, relaxed, deep state of awareness.  Focus 10 or beyond.  Body asleep, mind awake.  Nonphysically exploring and experiencing and doing a retrieval.  Ok, let's say you needed help or got stuck and didn't know what to do next.  Maybe you had a click-out and didn't really know what should happen next.  If you had set the intention of having a Helper come to aid you during this retrieval, then a helper is/was there whether you experienced or remembered it or not.  Even if you had a click-out, a helper was there finishing the retrieval. 

I think you had asked on this thread why Helpers don't just do the retrievals themselves.  This is a great question, and if you read Bruce's books you'll understand.  People who are stuck are not able to see or hear helpers, which is why we are able to help those people who are stuck.  We're better able to get their attention.  Then once you are with them, the helper is able to come into their awareness and be seen and heard. 

I hope that I've explained this in a way that makes sense.  I completely understand all of your questions and why you're asking them, because I was asking the same questions back when I began reading Bruce's books and learning about retrievals. 

You will really enjoy all of his books.  He has a great way of writing and explaining things.  I have also applied the tools and techniques that Bruce teaches to many other things than just retrievals.

Thank you, Vicky. All "by the book". I started in the same place!

Focus 69 wrote on Jun 6^th, 2017 at 7:15pm:

So you mean thats all BS right ? Then what his your assumption about the nature of their misunderstanding please ?

I'm also a musician, so as not to give any misunderstanding. This is my bass. There are many like it but this one is mine.

What I play, how I play it is mine, same as the mission work I do. It's mine and it's for everyone. So is it mine? How does the music come through me? Through my body .... Does the music play me or do I play the music? Helpers? I play a helping of JS Bach and top  it off with a rockin' 15 minutes of (Turn On Your) Lovelight.

The instrument doesn't play itself.

^ ginormous clue

HTH (Hope That Helps)

Focus 69 wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2017 at 10:02am:

Another question; in the afterlife topic, we often been told that one need to contact an helper first who will then find a person to be retrieve, but how come thoses helpers know the existence and the place to contact this stuck person and did nothing to retrieve him previously ?

Vicky wrote on Jun 6^th, 2017 at 8:46pm:

Focus 69, ... I think you had asked on this thread why Helpers don't just do the retrievals themselves.  This is a great question, and if you read Bruce's books you'll understand.  People who are stuck are not able to see or hear helpers, which is why we are able to help those people who are stuck.  We're better able to get their attention.  Then once you are with them, the helper is able to come into their awareness and be seen and heard.  ...

To answer that the stuck ones "are not able to see or hear the helpers", does not answer the question of why and how these helpers are not able to do the retrievals themselves, but you are able to retrieve them after the helper shows you where the stuck ones are.
Are these helpers helpless?

And it does not answer the question of why it even matters whether or not the stuck one can see and hear the helpers. If the helpers are true then they can help regardless. People do not need to be able to see and hear to be helped, not in this world or the next.

And how is it that the stuck ones can see and hear the helpers after you have contacted the stuck one and can finish off your retrieval job if you lose them ("click out"). If the helper can finish it, why can't they start it?

If these helpers can help you in this world, then why can't they help the stuck ones in the next world?

It does not satisfy an inquiring mind to simply restate in various ways that the helpers can't help because they can't help. Inquiring minds need a reason that makes sense. Otherwise the inquiring mind is simply being asked to believe something without a logical rationale. Inquiring minds are not inclined to do that. The inquiring mind appreciates a reason that makes it say "Ahha, yes, of course, now I see it clearly." And such an answer enthuses the inquiring mind and entices it forward to do its own investigation. Surely if the subject matter is true then there must exist such an answer, for truth is like that.

cb

    Re: nonphysical Helpers and how they often have a hard time getting the attention of folks stuck: A lot of it has to do with vibratory levels and the Universal Law of Like attracts, begets, and resonates with Like. 

     True nonphysical Helpers are very fast vibratory in nature. Folks that are stuck, are temporarily pretty slow vibratory in nature and in are much more "in phase" with the physical Earth and physical energies that are themselves slow vibratory and stuck. 

  Humanity in general is quite stuck.  Just as many physically focused humans have a hard time clearly and directly perceiving nonphysically focused Helpers, so to are those stuck in the "etheric" level, which is only slightly faster vibratory than the physical.

  This is also where classic OBE's take place.  It is a slow vibratory level that is strongly in phase with/similar in vibration to the physical .  Be wary of so called teachers who primarily work in/at this level, for they oft are slow vibratory in nature and oft aren't true teachers/helpers--more so the "guise" of.

  Anyways, back to retrieval:  This is where an aware, mature, service oriented Soul connected to a human body suit comes along and can be of some assistance to the nonphysically focused Helpers.  Because of our connection to a physical body, a slow vibratory level, it is much easier for one of us to be perceived by folks stuck in the etheric level. You can be the most spiritually mature, fast vibratory consciousness around, but if you're directly connected to a human body--well it has a definite "grounding" affect. 

   That which is a similar vibration/wavelength according to the Universal Law of Like attracts, begets, and resonates with Like, easily and more directly perceives that which is in similar resonation.  This is metaphysics 101. 

    It doesn't just apply to this situation, but many, many situations.  Folks in "Hollow Heavens", which are in the emotional level/range of vibration do not normally perceive those individuals and levels that are faster vibratory and that are phased into the mental or spiritual levels.  The latter can temporarily slow down their vibratory levels some to phase into the emotional level and be more directly perceived, but even then, it's hard for them to be perceived. 

    The above Law and reactions are also why true, real spiritual teachers/Helpers incarnate in human form, are often ignored or outright disliked.  Others can perceive them, at least their physical aspect, because all humans have these slow vibratory bodies in common, and bodies can easily perceive other bodies. 

   But most humans have a hard time perceiveing the inner nature of true spiritual Helpers/Teachers incarnate.  This is why, most of the real ones, don't have any kind of following.  It is primiarlly the moderately fast vibratory and slow vibratory false teachers, that have the biggest crowds.  A more similar resonation with the average human. 

  The most evolved/mature of incarnate Helpers/Retrievers, unless they perform constant miracles like Yeshua, often are ignored, marginalized, minimized, etc by the majority around them.  Even the ones who do get some attention because of the constant perfomring of miracles, like Yeshua, they tend to powerfuly stir up the shadow of others and become extremely and irrationally disliked or even hated by many around them. 

  People see "red" in relation to them and are always trying to get rid of them.  Why?  Vibrational/Consciousness dissonance.  And slow vibratory does not "like" fast vibratory.  Fast vibratory loves all, is all inclusive, but stuck, slow vibratory doesn't tend to react well to very fast vibratory. 

  Plato's allegory of the cave is very apropos here.  Hence why Yeshua was falsely tried, tortured, and murdered. Why?  Simply for speaking truth and being powerfully attuned to PUL.  His powerful and pure channeling of PUL polarized the fear/ego/selfishness levels of humanity, and powerfully stirred up those dark rivers. 

     This is why he cautioned his then and future disciples, and said be sure you really want to follow me, because if you do truly follow in my footsteps, the world and most humans in same, will come to hate and despise you too.  And indeed, most of his disciples who tried hard to follow in his footsteps and attune a lot to PUL, ended up being imprisoned, tortured, and/or murdered themselves. 

Why?  Vibrational dissonance and slow vibratory does not like or abide well fast vibratory.  Same reason why Albert and I have been banned from a number of forums. People cannot abide us, or rather, our unusual attunement to PUL. 

  This is a situation and dream guidance message related to this:
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I went through a period a little while back where I felt some definite pangs of loneliness because I've noticed over the years, that few people want to connect in a deeper way to me. I like connecting with people.  I've wondered about it off and on, and it came up particularly strongly during the above cycle.      I had a dream where I was at a school I didn't belong at or normally go to.  I observed various students at the school and I tried to interact with/connect to them on a personal level but most of them weren't interested in interacting with me for some reason.  I saw myself helping them, sort of in the background, and though I was lonely, helping the students was somewhat fulfilling.  It felt like I was almost invisible to them, almost like I was a ghost and most barely perceived me.       I wondered why, and why most weren't interested in interacting with me. I caught a reflection of myself off a pane of glass, and observed that I looked much older than the students. I had a beard and a general look of maturity, while most of the students I was observing were much younger.

   The above is why there are some on this board who despise and irrationally dislike Albert and I.  Because we speak truth and are unusually attuned to PUL.  Vibrational dissonance and stirring up of shadows. 

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A lot of it has to do with vibratory levels and the Universal Law of Like attracts, begets, and resonates with Like.

  Correction: it has everything to do with vibratory levels, phase resonation or mismatch and the Universal Law stated above. 

1796 wrote on Jun 7^th, 2017 at 6:30am:

Focus 69 wrote on Jun 3rd, 2017 at 10:02am: Another question; in the afterlife topic, we often been told that one need to contact an helper first who will then find a person to be retrieve, but how come thoses helpers know the existence and the place to contact this stuck person and did nothing to retrieve him previously ? Vicky wrote on Jun 6th, 2017 at 8:46pm: Focus 69, ... I think you had asked on this thread why Helpers don't just do the retrievals themselves.  This is a great question, and if you read Bruce's books you'll understand.  People who are stuck are not able to see or hear helpers, which is why we are able to help those people who are stuck.  We're better able to get their attention.  Then once you are with them, the helper is able to come into their awareness and be seen and heard.  ... To answer that the stuck ones "are not able to see or hear the helpers", does not answer the question of why and how these helpers are not able to do the retrievals themselves, but you are able to retrieve them after the helper shows you where the stuck ones are. Are these helpers helpless? And it does not answer the question of why it even matters whether or not the stuck one can see and hear the helpers. If the helpers are true then they can help regardless. People do not need to be able to see and hear to be helped, not in this world or the next. And how is it that the stuck ones can see and hear the helpers after you have contacted the stuck one and can finish off your retrieval job if you lose them ("click out"). If the helper can finish it, why can't they start it? If these helpers can help you in this world, then why can't they help the stuck ones in the next world? It does not satisfy an inquiring mind to simply restate in various ways that the helpers can't help because they can't help. Inquiring minds need a reason that makes sense. Otherwise the inquiring mind is simply being asked to believe something without a logical rationale. Inquiring minds are not inclined to do that. The inquiring mind appreciates a reason that makes it say "Ahha, yes, of course, now I see it clearly." And such an answer enthuses the inquiring mind and entices it forward to do its own investigation. Surely if the subject matter is true then there must exist such an answer, for truth is like that. cb

1796,

Ok, obviously I didn't explain it in depth and precisely in a way that anyone can understand all the facets.  I was pointing my reply to someone else, not you with all of your questions as I certainly don't know your level of understanding of the subject matter.

Have you read any of Bruce Moen's books, and/or have you taken any of his workshops?  If you have then you would already have the answers to your questions.  I highly recommend reading all the books in order, including The Afterlife Knowledge Guidebook.  Then if you still have questions we can go more in depth if you're still not understanding certain facets.

I'll try again to go into a little more detail.  It's not that all helpers can't help.  They do.  But some people who are stuck are not able to be aware that the helpers are there. 

You are misguided in your assumption that that means that helpers are helpless and therefore unable to do what should be their job. 

There are many reasons why a person who is stuck in the afterlife is unable to realize and be aware that there are helpers.  Their being stuck is not just happenstance, the luck of the draw, or plain old bad luck.  They are stuck because of their own beliefs.  Beliefs can often distort and block perception, making it even more difficult for them.   

We as physically living people are much closer to their vibration and can more easily get their attention. 

These are indeed great questions, 1796, and like I suggested to Focus 69 and to anyone, please do read Bruce's work so that you can fully understand the topics and terminology and concepts rather than just coming up with question after question.  You may find that the material is something that you are very interested in doing further exploration with on your own, so that you can have your own direct experiences.

And as I've always said too, once you get that far then you will find that the questions you're asking are different than now.  You'll have a much broader perception and understanding of the afterlife.

Vicky

George Ritchie wrote a book called, "Ordered to Return-My Life After Dying." Jesus took him on a tour of the afterlife. On page 41 it says:

"We were in another location of this plane. We were standing on a high porch in front of this huge building. What I saw horrified me more than anything I have ever seen in my life. Since you could tell what the beings of this place thought, you knew they were filled with hate, deceit, lies, self-righteousness bordering on megalomania, and lewd sexual aggressiveness that were causing them to carry out all kind of abominable acts on each other.

This was breaking the heart of the Son of God standing beside me. Even here were angels trying to get them to change their thoughts. Since they could not admit there were beings greater than themselves, they could not see or hear them. There was no fire and brimstone here; no boxed-in canyons, but something a thousand times worse from my point of view. Here was a place totally devoid of love. This was HELL.

There were beings arguing over some religious or political point, trying to kill the ones who did not agree with them. I thought when I saw this, "No wonder our world is in such a mess and we have had so many tragic religious wars. No wonder this was breaking Christ's heart, the One who came to teach us peace and love." Yes, this place was absent of any other beings, except the angels, who understood what Jesus had incarnated to try to teach us."

The above paragraph reminds me of what Howard Storm said in he book "" on page 73. (Jesus also took Howard on a tour of the afterlife during his NDE.)

"Question: "Which is the best religion?"
I was expecting them to answer with something like Methodist or Presbyterian or Catholic, or some other denomination.

They answered, "The religion that brings you closest to God."

Question: But which one is that?

There are good people in bad religions and there are bad people in good religions. It is not so important which religion, but what individuals do with the religion they have been given."

I shared George's experience with the intent of providing a source that shows that sometimes it is difficult for love-based spirit beings to make contact with souls that are caught up in a lower state of being. I doubt that Jesus lied to George about this point. People are able to make contact because their connection to a physical body makes it possible for stuck spirits to perceive their energy.

Robert Monroe and Bruce Moen aren’t the only people who have written of retrievals.
In 1960 a book called “The Study and Practice of Astral Projection was  published (written by Dr. Robert Crookall). Considering the date  the book was published, Mr. Crookall certainly wasn’t influenced by Robert Monroe or Bruce Moen. On page 114 the book says, “On a subsequent occasion, I was taken by a guide into the “dark regions.” It was exactly like Dante’s Inferno-people groped in darkness, scarcely discernible as human being. I have since done much “Rescue Work” in these regions.”

I read an NDE account where a person spoke of doing retrievals by merging with lost souls, I can't find that account.

The John L. Masters experience I shared on another thread seems to make the same point. Some unfriendly beings had to enter John Master's body before they could be helped. The way I do retrievals is similar. A spirit that is in need of help attaches to me, I tune into my spirit self and its connection to God and those who are with God, and a stream of cleansing energy takes place until the spirit that needs help can move on to a higher level of being. As this takes place I can feel negative energy gradually get transformed into love and peace.

Below is the John L. Masters experience I shared elsewhere.
John Lerma M.D. wrote a book called, "Learning From the Light (Pre-Death Experiences, Prophecies, and Angelic Messages of Hope). There is a chapter called "The Exorcism of John L. Masters." To make a long story short, he was a biker that allowed unfriendly beings to enter him during a gang initiation, and he became possessed. He developed physical problems, ended up in the  Psychological ward of a hospital, decided to change his ways,  and asked for the help of an Exorcist.

Dr. Lerma hooked him up with a Catholic priest named Father Doherty. On pages 91-92 the book says:

"I then heard John exclaim, "It's Archangel Michael. He is the  angel I described earlier. He is directing the band of evil spirits away from me and toward the light. Michael is telling the lost souls that God wants to help and not condemn them. All they have to do is trust, accept, and enter the Light of non-judgment, non-condemnation, and total love. Father Doherty, I wish you could see the souls you helped drive out of my mind and body.

With tears in his eyes, John Masters positioned his body on his bed and looked straight up at the ceiling, sighed, and closed his eyes. With his eyes still closed, he gently said that the lost souls were now slowly moving toward the light of God amongst an assembly of angels. This is what  it was all about. I now see clearly.  I see I had chosen to play a role as John L. Masters so that I could draw a group of God's lost souls into me and eventually out of me and  toward the light. Wow! I am awe-struck at the extent God goes to bring one or more sheep back to his flock."

Thanks for responding Vicky.

I did not assume or say the helpers are helpless, though, nor do I think they are helpless. I just posed the question to draw forth the answer. I asked the question for other’s sake, so that you could clarify the matter for them. It is an obvious question for inquirers to ask.

To say the answer is in Bruce’s books is a good idea, but you giving the answer too would be an even better idea, for then forum readers would see the answer and be more likely to want to read more of Bruce’s books.

cb

Vicky wrote on Jun 6^th, 2017 at 8:46pm:

Focus 69, You really will get all of your questions answered, and more, by reading Bruce's Guidebook.  I know you said you are tired of reading, but if he doesn't have an e-book version out (and I don't think he does), then you definitely should just read the book.  You can get the CDs or MP3 that goes with it which is recording of Bruce guiding you through the book's exercises.  I highly recommend the book and the audio. Many years ago I too had trouble grasping the concept of a Helper.  It took me a long time to get past my confusion and questions.  Maybe this will help give you some perspective on the concept and idea of what a Helper means and how it actually helps you. Think of a Helper as an actual person who has all the answers that you need.  He's there to answer your questions, guide you, assist you etc.  Think of the idea of such a possibility as being real and true and that you fully accept this idea.  If you can get that far, then the rest is pretty easy.  Now that you've accepted the idea that "A Helper" is simply there to help you, then it really doesn't matter "what" the helper is or how it works, or if it's real or not real.  We're only going with the idea that help is there if you need it.  A good way to get acquainted with the idea of a helper is to create one in your mind.  Right now while awake and aware, close your eyes and imagine this "helper".  You can make up what it looks like, sounds like, etc.  Or you can just say to yourself, "I want to have a helper come."  If anything pops into your mind, you can use it as a helper.  It can be a color, an animal, an object, or just a feeling or thought.  The reason why it doesn't matter is because what you're doing is opening yourself up to the idea that you can receive help, guidance, and assistance.  It doesn't matter how you get it, just as long as you receive it.  An example is, I use what I call my "Guidance" in everyday waking life.  I have had to practice and perfect my use of this "idea" that I have this thing I call Guidance.  You can call it my spirit guide, or an angel, but I tend to think of it as my Higher Self.  But it really doesn't matter to me.  I know what it feels like to me, so I recognize it by it's feeling.  You could say that this feeling to me is a state of consciousness that I recognize as being a true and valid connection with my Higher Self Awareness.  So, when I want to connect with that higher awareness and get comfort, or get questions answered, or get advice, etc., then I am setting my intention to bridge that connection and tune in to receiving what I'm looking for.  Because I've already established that I believe this is so, I can bypass all the needless worry about "Is this real?  Who is helping me?"  The point is, I'm wishing to access information, so therefore I'm going to allow myself to access it.  Does that help you understand how you can utilize the role of a Helper?  If you want to think of a Helper as an angel, then do so.  If you want to think of a helper as a spirit guide, then do so.  But it really doesn't actually matter.  While doing a retrieval, let's say you were in a very good, relaxed, deep state of awareness.  Focus 10 or beyond.  Body asleep, mind awake.  Nonphysically exploring and experiencing and doing a retrieval.  Ok, let's say you needed help or got stuck and didn't know what to do next.  Maybe you had a click-out and didn't really know what should happen next.  If you had set the intention of having a Helper come to aid you during this retrieval, then a helper is/was there whether you experienced or remembered it or not.  Even if you had a click-out, a helper was there finishing the retrieval.  I think you had asked on this thread why Helpers don't just do the retrievals themselves.  This is a great question, and if you read Bruce's books you'll understand.  People who are stuck are not able to see or hear helpers, which is why we are able to help those people who are stuck.  We're better able to get their attention.  Then once you are with them, the helper is able to come into their awareness and be seen and heard.  I hope that I've explained this in a way that makes sense.  I completely understand all of your questions and why you're asking them, because I was asking the same questions back when I began reading Bruce's books and learning about retrievals.  You will really enjoy all of his books.  He has a great way of writing and explaining things.  I have also applied the tools and techniques that Bruce teaches to many other things than just retrievals.

Thanks a lot for this very clear and precise post Vicky.

I already try that "helper thing" (sorry for this) which is not uninteresting at all by the way... But if i done it correctly (and i dont see how one can done it incorrectly) i can say in my case the helper is NOT another person but can be, with some practice, a pretty efficient "artificial bridge" one create between our C1 and our subconscious or higher self. (because i noticed clearly at the beginning when i tried to reach an helper how much i was the author of his words like the feeling to deliberately use a pump to prime the process...  But at the same time who knows who's really speaking when the process has started on his own...)

Reading you, i am not sure of something though, do you make a difference between a helper and a guidance ?

And what makes you so positive about this please ? "Even if you had a click-out, a helper was there finishing the retrieval. "

Morrighan wrote on Jun 6^th, 2017 at 9:49pm:

Thank you, Vicky. All "by the book". I started in the same place!

Then you happily throw them haha ^^

Morrighan wrote on Jun 6^th, 2017 at 9:59pm:

Focus 69 wrote on Jun 6th, 2017 at 7:15pm: So you mean thats all BS right ? Then what his your assumption about the nature of their misunderstanding please ? I'm also a musician, so as not to give any misunderstanding. This is my bass. There are many like it but this one is mine. What I play, how I play it is mine, same as the mission work I do. It's mine and it's for everyone. So is it mine? How does the music come through me? Through my body .... Does the music play me or do I play the music? Helpers? I play a helping of JS Bach and top  it off with a rockin' 15 minutes of (Turn On Your) Lovelight. The instrument doesn't play itself. ^ ginormous clue HTH (Hope That Helps)

You are not very clear for me as usual but you prose is not devoid of charm !

Is it in your capacity to express simply, briefly and clearly YOUR take about helper ?

1796 wrote on Jun 7^th, 2017 at 6:30am:

Focus 69 wrote on Jun 3rd, 2017 at 10:02am: Another question; in the afterlife topic, we often been told that one need to contact an helper first who will then find a person to be retrieve, but how come thoses helpers know the existence and the place to contact this stuck person and did nothing to retrieve him previously ? Vicky wrote on Jun 6th, 2017 at 8:46pm: Focus 69, ... I think you had asked on this thread why Helpers don't just do the retrievals themselves.  This is a great question, and if you read Bruce's books you'll understand.  People who are stuck are not able to see or hear helpers, which is why we are able to help those people who are stuck.  We're better able to get their attention.  Then once you are with them, the helper is able to come into their awareness and be seen and heard.  ... To answer that the stuck ones "are not able to see or hear the helpers", does not answer the question of why and how these helpers are not able to do the retrievals themselves, but you are able to retrieve them after the helper shows you where the stuck ones are. Are these helpers helpless? And it does not answer the question of why it even matters whether or not the stuck one can see and hear the helpers. If the helpers are true then they can help regardless. People do not need to be able to see and hear to be helped, not in this world or the next. And how is it that the stuck ones can see and hear the helpers after you have contacted the stuck one and can finish off your retrieval job if you lose them ("click out"). If the helper can finish it, why can't they start it? If these helpers can help you in this world, then why can't they help the stuck ones in the next world? It does not satisfy an inquiring mind to simply restate in various ways that the helpers can't help because they can't help. Inquiring minds need a reason that makes sense. Otherwise the inquiring mind is simply being asked to believe something without a logical rationale. Inquiring minds are not inclined to do that. The inquiring mind appreciates a reason that makes it say "Ahha, yes, of course, now I see it clearly." And such an answer enthuses the inquiring mind and entices it forward to do its own investigation. Surely if the subject matter is true then there must exist such an answer, for truth is like that. cb

Yeah thats very true.

So do you have your own opinion on all this or are you like me still a bit "stuck in translation" ?

wrote on Jun 7^th, 2017 at 8:51am:

Re: nonphysical Helpers and how they often have a hard time getting the attention of folks stuck: A lot of it has to do with vibratory levels and the Universal Law of Like attracts, begets, and resonates with Like.       True nonphysical Helpers are very fast vibratory in nature. Folks that are stuck, are temporarily pretty slow vibratory in nature and in are much more "in phase" with the physical Earth and physical energies that are themselves slow vibratory and stuck.    Humanity in general is quite stuck.  Just as many physically focused humans have a hard time clearly and directly perceiving nonphysically focused Helpers, so to are those stuck in the "etheric" level, which is only slightly faster vibratory than the physical.   This is also where classic OBE's take place.  It is a slow vibratory level that is strongly in phase with/similar in vibration to the physical .  Be wary of so called teachers who primarily work in/at this level, for they oft are slow vibratory in nature and oft aren't true teachers/helpers--more so the "guise" of.   Anyways, back to retrieval:  This is where an aware, mature, service oriented Soul connected to a human body suit comes along and can be of some assistance to the nonphysically focused Helpers.  Because of our connection to a physical body, a slow vibratory level, it is much easier for one of us to be perceived by folks stuck in the etheric level. You can be the most spiritually mature, fast vibratory consciousness around, but if you're directly connected to a human body--well it has a definite "grounding" affect.     That which is a similar vibration/wavelength according to the Universal Law of Like attracts, begets, and resonates with Like, easily and more directly perceives that which is in similar resonation.  This is metaphysics 101.      It doesn't just apply to this situation, but many, many situations.  Folks in "Hollow Heavens", which are in the emotional level/range of vibration do not normally perceive those individuals and levels that are faster vibratory and that are phased into the mental or spiritual levels.  The latter can temporarily slow down their vibratory levels some to phase into the emotional level and be more directly perceived, but even then, it's hard for them to be perceived.      The above Law and reactions are also why true, real spiritual teachers/Helpers incarnate in human form, are often ignored or outright disliked.  Others can perceive them, at least their physical aspect, because all humans have these slow vibratory bodies in common, and bodies can easily perceive other bodies.     But most humans have a hard time perceiveing the inner nature of true spiritual Helpers/Teachers incarnate.  This is why, most of the real ones, don't have any kind of following.  It is primiarlly the moderately fast vibratory and slow vibratory false teachers, that have the biggest crowds.  A more similar resonation with the average human.    The most evolved/mature of incarnate Helpers/Retrievers, unless they perform constant miracles like Yeshua, often are ignored, marginalized, minimized, etc by the majority around them.  Even the ones who do get some attention because of the constant perfomring of miracles, like Yeshua, they tend to powerfuly stir up the shadow of others and become extremely and irrationally disliked or even hated by many around them.    People see "red" in relation to them and are always trying to get rid of them.  Why?  Vibrational/Consciousness dissonance.  And slow vibratory does not "like" fast vibratory.  Fast vibratory loves all, is all inclusive, but stuck, slow vibratory doesn't tend to react well to very fast vibratory.    Plato's allegory of the cave is very apropos here.  Hence why Yeshua was falsely tried, tortured, and murdered. Why?  Simply for speaking truth and being powerfully attuned to PUL.  His powerful and pure channeling of PUL polarized the fear/ego/selfishness levels of humanity, and powerfully stirred up those dark rivers.       This is why he cautioned his then and future disciples, and said be sure you really want to follow me, because if you do truly follow in my footsteps, the world and most humans in same, will come to hate and despise you too.  And indeed, most of his disciples who tried hard to follow in his footsteps and attune a lot to PUL, ended up being imprisoned, tortured, and/or murdered themselves.  Why?  Vibrational dissonance and slow vibratory does not like or abide well fast vibratory.  Same reason why Albert and I have been banned from a number of forums. People cannot abide us, or rather, our unusual attunement to PUL.    This is a situation and dream guidance message related to this: Quote: I went through a period a little while back where I felt some definite pangs of loneliness because I've noticed over the years, that few people want to connect in a deeper way to me. I like connecting with people.  I've wondered about it off and on, and it came up particularly strongly during the above cycle.      I had a dream where I was at a school I didn't belong at or normally go to.  I observed various students at the school and I tried to interact with/connect to them on a personal level but most of them weren't interested in interacting with me for some reason.  I saw myself helping them, sort of in the background, and though I was lonely, helping the students was somewhat fulfilling.  It felt like I was almost invisible to them, almost like I was a ghost and most barely perceived me.       I wondered why, and why most weren't interested in interacting with me. I caught a reflection of myself off a pane of glass, and observed that I looked much older than the students. I had a beard and a general look of maturity, while most of the students I was observing were much younger.    The above is why there are some on this board who despise and irrationally dislike Albert and I.  Because we speak truth and are unusually attuned to PUL.  Vibrational dissonance and stirring up of shadows.

Thanks a lot for this explanation.

I DEEPLY share your opinion about the hermetism of any "hi range standard deviation refinement"... on a psychological level at least.

What do you mean by "begets" please ?

PUL is pure unconditional love of course ?

Who is Albert ?

(I would be very happy to have a teacher able to OBE at will though, at least for now...^^)

Recoverer 2 wrote on Jun 7^th, 2017 at 3:37pm:

George Ritchie wrote a book called, "Ordered to Return-My Life After Dying." Jesus took him on a tour of the afterlife. On page 41 it says: "We were in another location of this plane. We were standing on a high porch in front of this huge building. What I saw horrified me more than anything I have ever seen in my life. Since you could tell what the beings of this place thought, you knew they were filled with hate, deceit, lies, self-righteousness bordering on megalomania, and lewd sexual aggressiveness that were causing them to carry out all kind of abominable acts on each other. This was breaking the heart of the Son of God standing beside me. Even here were angels trying to get them to change their thoughts. Since they could not admit there were beings greater than themselves, they could not see or hear them. There was no fire and brimstone here; no boxed-in canyons, but something a thousand times worse from my point of view. Here was a place totally devoid of love. This was HELL. There were beings arguing over some religious or political point, trying to kill the ones who did not agree with them. I thought when I saw this, "No wonder our world is in such a mess and we have had so many tragic religious wars. No wonder this was breaking Christ's heart, the One who came to teach us peace and love." Yes, this place was absent of any other beings, except the angels, who understood what Jesus had incarnated to try to teach us." The above paragraph reminds me of what Howard Storm said in he book "" on page 73. (Jesus also took Howard on a tour of the afterlife during his NDE.) "Question: "Which is the best religion?" I was expecting them to answer with something like Methodist or Presbyterian or Catholic, or some other denomination. They answered, "The religion that brings you closest to God." Question: But which one is that? There are good people in bad religions and there are bad people in good religions. It is not so important which religion, but what individuals do with the religion they have been given." I shared George's experience with the intent of providing a source that shows that sometimes it is difficult for love-based spirit beings to make contact with souls that are caught up in a lower state of being. I doubt that Jesus lied to George about this point. People are able to make contact because their connection to a physical body makes it possible for stuck spirits to perceive their energy. Robert Monroe and Bruce Moen aren’t the only people who have written of retrievals. In 1960 a book called “The Study and Practice of Astral Projection was  published (written by Dr. Robert Crookall). Considering the date  the book was published, Mr. Crookall certainly wasn’t influenced by Robert Monroe or Bruce Moen. On page 114 the book says, “On a subsequent occasion, I was taken by a guide into the “dark regions.” It was exactly like Dante’s Inferno-people groped in darkness, scarcely discernible as human being. I have since done much “Rescue Work” in these regions.” I read an NDE account where a person spoke of doing retrievals by merging with lost souls, I can't find that account. The John L. Masters experience I shared on another thread seems to make the same point. Some unfriendly beings had to enter John Master's body before they could be helped. The way I do retrievals is similar. A spirit that is in need of help attaches to me, I tune into my spirit self and its connection to God and those who are with God, and a stream of cleansing energy takes place until the spirit that needs help can move on to a higher level of being. As this takes place I can feel negative energy gradually get transformed into love and peace. Below is the John L. Masters experience I shared elsewhere. John Lerma M.D. wrote a book called, "Learning From the Light (Pre-Death Experiences, Prophecies, and Angelic Messages of Hope). There is a chapter called "The Exorcism of John L. Masters." To make a long story short, he was a biker that allowed unfriendly beings to enter him during a gang initiation, and he became possessed. He developed physical problems, ended up in the  Psychological ward of a hospital, decided to change his ways,  and asked for the help of an Exorcist. Dr. Lerma hooked him up with a Catholic priest named Father Doherty. On pages 91-92 the book says: "I then heard John exclaim, "It's Archangel Michael. He is the  angel I described earlier. He is directing the band of evil spirits away from me and toward the light. Michael is telling the lost souls that God wants to help and not condemn them. All they have to do is trust, accept, and enter the Light of non-judgment, non-condemnation, and total love. Father Doherty, I wish you could see the souls you helped drive out of my mind and body. With tears in his eyes, John Masters positioned his body on his bed and looked straight up at the ceiling, sighed, and closed his eyes. With his eyes still closed, he gently said that the lost souls were now slowly moving toward the light of God amongst an assembly of angels. This is what  it was all about. I now see clearly.  I see I had chosen to play a role as John L. Masters so that I could draw a group of God's lost souls into me and eventually out of me and  toward the light. Wow! I am awe-struck at the extent God goes to bring one or more sheep back to his flock."

Very troubling what you bring here... thanks a lot for sharing my friend !!

To all,

I would like to say that i am in the point in my "teaching" where i need THE PROOF !!...

The one Bruce found after 3 years... which allows everything to explode concomitantly ...

If you know how i could get over this crucial step you are more than welcome.

Focus 69:

There is no need to be troubled. One thing that has been made clear to me in numerous ways is that we have free will. Therefore, it is completely up to us to decide what kind of person we want to be.

Regarding the beings John L. Masters was possessed by, it is hard to say what precisely those beings are. People tend to speak of demons without knowing what they actually are or where they come from. How would they know?

Some people might say from Satan, but if you read what the Bible says about Satan, it doesn't provide a consistent and clear description of who/what Satan is. "Satan" basically mean adversary. Sometimes a Satan worked on God's behalf. Sometimes "Satan" was used in a causal way, such as when Jesus told Peter, "don't be a Satan (adversary) to me.

Some people believe the Book of Isiah explains who Satan is when it speaks of a fallen angel named Lucifer, but that is probably due to a translation error, and that book spoke of a fallen king, a physical person.

There might be some head honcho negative beings, but who knows what/who precisely such beings are?

Focus 69, me again. First of all, what works for you, might be different than what works for other people.

Sometimes you have to be patient.

Perhaps something in Bruce's guide book might help.


Focus 69 wrote on Jun 7^th, 2017 at 6:55pm:

To all, I would like to say that i am in the point in my "teaching" where i need THE PROOF !!... The one Bruce found after 3 years... which allows everything to explode concomitantly ... If you know how i could get over this crucial step you are more than welcome.

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I DEEPLY share your opinion about the hermetism of any "hi range standard deviation refinement"... on a psychological level at least.

   I'm not exactly sure what you mean by the above.

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What do you mean by "begets" please ?

    Begets. Like putting out positive energy in relation to others, builds up attunement to positive energy within.  Putting out negative energy towards others, tends to foster/faciliate negative energy and destructive either within or without. 

Course, there are also the material meanings like having a child aka "begetting a child". 


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PUL is pure unconditional love of course ?

Correct Sir.


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Who is Albert ?

   My friend who goes by the name here of "Recoverer2"


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(I would be very happy to have a teacher able to OBE at will though, at least for now...^^)

   Can't help you there, as I never had much luck with having  classic OBE type experiences.  I went through a brief phase where I had a couple, but I was not my normal self then, and for various reasons, I've come to view classic OBE's as limiting. 

   But, I DO highly recommend Rosalind McKnight's first book, "Cosmic Journeys: My Out-of-Body Explorations with Bob Monroe".  She was one Bob's long time "explorers". 

Her main guide/helper, "Ah So" (not his real name), says some very enlightening things about classic OBE and other ways of exploring, perceiving, and experiencing the nonphysical. 

Focus 69 wrote on Jun 7^th, 2017 at 6:55pm:

To all, I would like to say that i am in the point in my "teaching" where i need THE PROOF !!... The one Bruce found after 3 years... which allows everything to explode concomitantly ... If you know how i could get over this crucial step you are more than welcome.

In my experience, Focus69, if you wish to get over the crucial step then tell your mind to go on a long hike and don't come back. The mental mind is not your friend. Remember what is telling you that you can't get along without it ....

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if you wish to get over the crucial step then tell your mind to go on a long hike and don't come back. The mental mind is not your friend. Remember what is telling you that you can't get along without it ....

The mental mind is not one's friend you write, yet you use the mind to recognise this. Why is the mind not one's friend, why the need for it go to on a long hike?

"The mind is a set of cognitive faculties including consciousness, perception, thinking, judgement, and memory. It is usually defined as the faculty of an entity's thoughts and consciousness. It holds the power of imagination, recognition, and appreciation, and is responsible for processing feelings and emotions, resulting in attitudes and actions." - Wikipedia

That's mind talking  :-?

The difference is: who is the boss. The mind is a terrible boss. You (general you) hired it. Only you can fire it. The mind will not listen until it's absolutely, and  clearly, told to STFU.

(Relevance here to retrieval techniques)

Morrighan wrote on Jun 8^th, 2017 at 1:01pm:

(Relevance here to retrieval techniques)

The mind takes a hike. Who is the new boss?

About time to get rid of this guy, who should look very familiar:


http://i0.lisimg.com/6436250/500full.jpg

The man on a string looks about ready to do a lively Finnish Tango.

Can't the new boss be described by words?

That is a good point Uno.

Our minds are not our enemy. Rigid psychological conditioning we are not willing to question is the problem. In order to evaluate things accurately, we need to make use of the mind aspect of being.

Everything we have learned doesn't need to be thrown completely out the window in order for us to learn, as long as we are willing to learn something new. In some cases we'll find that there is some truth in what we learned before.

I have known some people that are so into putting down their mind aspect of being that they have a difficult time with learning something with a good level of certainty, because they won't allow themselves to use their mind. If somebody is too extreme with an approach, it could be that their approach is more conceptual and therefore ironically more mental, than they realize.


Uno wrote on Jun 8^th, 2017 at 1:07pm:

Morrighan wrote on Jun 8th, 2017 at 1:01pm: (Relevance here to retrieval techniques) The mind takes a hike. Who is the new boss?

The image immediately upthread is of Bob Denver playing Gilligan on Gilligan's Isle.

^ ginormous clue

Here is one route to finding answers that I place forth with neither endorsement nor denial. Ask these four questions before asking your question:

• are you there
  
• who and or what are you
  
• what do you want me to know
  
• I have a question, will you answer me?
  

[your question]

Recoverer 2 wrote on Jun 8^th, 2017 at 1:30pm:

That is a good point Uno. Our minds are not our enemy. Rigid psychological conditioning we are not willing to question is the problem. In order to evaluate things accurately, we need to make use of the mind aspect of being. Everything we have learned doesn't need to be thrown completely out the window in order for us to learn, as long as we are willing to learn something new. In some cases we'll find that there is some truth in what we learned before. I have known some people that are so into putting down their mind aspect of being that they have a difficult time with learning something with a good level of certainty, because they won't allow themselves to use their mind. If somebody is too extreme with an approach, it could be that their approach is more conceptual and therefore ironically more mental, than they realize. Uno wrote on Jun 8th, 2017 at 1:07pm: Morrighan wrote on Jun 8th, 2017 at 1:01pm: (Relevance here to retrieval techniques) The mind takes a hike. Who is the new boss?

https://deeguns.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/img_6519.png

Hehe, I'm not going to use the mind to look for clues on Gilligan's Island but I will try the technique Morrighan.

Uno wrote on Jun 8^th, 2017 at 1:50pm:

Hehe, I'm not going to use the mind to look for clues on Gilligan's Island but I will try the technique Morrighan.

There's much more to the Gilligan image that it would appear to appear, Uno.  ;) It's another one of my "ha ha, only serious" posts. See: upthread. I don't personally use the technique described. AIS, neither endorse nor deny. I know some who find it useful. <shrug>


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e2/The_Lady_of_the_Lake_by_Speed_Lancelot.jpg

Are you hinting at this Morrighan?
http://afterlife-knowledge.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?num=1448385620

The linked thread is new to me, Uno. Many thanks.

In part what I place forward are breadcrumb trails to multidimensionality. More than one thread recently posted speaks to our "higher selves." And I am of course aware of other models such as the disc &c.

The experience I am present to evolves even as I write it here. Our team's (I, and others who are not participants here) involvement in technical work necessitates technical language that is outside the framework of this forum. I observe the majority of this work we engage in is unsuited for discussions of afterlife knowledge. This is because we (our teams) work multidimensionally, and "afterlife" comprises but a fraction of the landscape we traverse.

In the empirical knowledge all I place forth here is [redacted] I find it best to shuffle the deck for Colonel Mustard, Mrs. White, Professor Plum and Mr. Green.

wrote on Jun 7^th, 2017 at 7:16pm:

[quote]I DEEPLY share your opinion about the hermetism of any "hi range standard deviation refinement"... on a psychological level at least.

   I'm not exactly sure what you mean by the above.
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I was refering to the fact you said that very powerful energies used to be victim of ostracism by a large majority... And i was adding that i would consider your point of view very true and that it was also true from a psychological perspective...

Morrighan wrote on Jun 8^th, 2017 at 1:32pm:

The image immediately upthread is of Bob Denver playing Gilligan on Gilligan's Isle. ^ ginormous clue Here is one route to finding answers that I place forth with neither endorsement nor denial. Ask these four questions before asking your question: are you there who and or what are you what do you want me to know I have a question, will you answer me? [your question]

Sorry to be that redundant but those questions are supposed to be ask when and what for again please ?

Morrighan wrote on Jun 8^th, 2017 at 11:19am:

Focus 69 wrote on Jun 7th, 2017 at 6:55pm: To all, I would like to say that i am in the point in my "teaching" where i need THE PROOF !!... The one Bruce found after 3 years... which allows everything to explode concomitantly ... If you know how i could get over this crucial step you are more than welcome. In my experience, Focus69, if you wish to get over the crucial step then tell your mind to go on a long hike and don't come back. The mental mind is not your friend. Remember what is telling you that you can't get along without it ....

My bad english again to blame no doubt but ...who is supposed to go for a hike here ? the mental mind or the mind ? Understood as the soul/essence ?

Morrighan wrote on Jun 8^th, 2017 at 3:45pm:

The linked thread is new to me, Uno. Many thanks. In part what I place forward are breadcrumb trails to multidimensionality. More than one thread recently posted speaks to our "higher selves." And I am of course aware of other models such as the disc &c. The experience I am present to evolves even as I write it here. Our team's (I, and others who are not participants here) involvement in technical work necessitates technical language that is outside the framework of this forum. I observe the majority of this work we engage in is unsuited for discussions of afterlife knowledge. This is because we (our teams) work multidimensionally, and "afterlife" comprises but a fraction of the landscape we traverse. In the empirical knowledge all I place forth here is [redacted] I find it best to shuffle the deck for Colonel Mustard, Mrs. White, Professor Plum and Mr. Green.

I would be glad to hear about your technical language please !?

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My bad english again to blame no doubt but ...who is supposed to go for a hike here ? the mental mind or the mind ? Understood as the soul/essence ?

Do you meditate, Focus69?

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Were the mission work I/we do were appropriate to this forum, I would post it here. Because the work is technical and the language for the work is technical, there is little benefit in posting examples out of context. What few I previously posted here were met with incomprehension and all that goes with that.

Focus 69 wrote on Jun 8^th, 2017 at 6:00pm:

I was refering to the fact you said that very powerful energies used to be victim of ostracism by a large majority... And i was adding that i would consider your point of view very true and that it was also true from a psychological perspective...

     Ok, read you loud and clear now.  :)  Yes, it definitely translates to the psychological as well.  One might say especially the psychological and the projection of repressed/disowned/repressed shadow aspects onto the other who reminds you, unconsciously, of those.

   For example.  If deep down you are a preachy person, often "preaching in your head" at others, silently, and if a person comes along who is obviously, outwardly preachy, or seems that way, then you might find yourself feeling compelled to tell that person (or others, about them), "Hey, you're a preachy jerk!" 

    The person in question might just have a passion for data, speaking, writing, self expression, but because you don't like that trait in yourself, but it's still strong in your unconscious, you "project" it onto the person who seems to be that way in a more obvious sense.

    What happens when a very fast vibrational, very PUL attuned person runs into contact with temporarily,very slow vibrational, lacking in Love folks?

The reaction is much more basic and fundamental. It's like putting baking soda and vinegar together. You can get quite a reaction. 

   The PUL attuned person tends to powerfully stir up the entire shadow of the temporarily slow vibratory/lacking in Love person.  How much of a reaction depends on the total difference between the two. 

   If it's a really wide gap/difference, then it becomes very noticeable.  Say person A, more attuned to Love, is at 900 (and 1000 is pure Love) and person B is 10 (0 being complete lack of attunement to PUL, which can lead to self destruction), then the reaction is REALLY strong and noticeable.   

     Person B. will come to vehemently hate/despise and really try to get rid of person A. They might say things like person A is completely worthless, completely without any value, only bad/negative, etc.

    A good example of this is Jesus and some of the religious leaders of his time.  He was at 1000 (pure Love) and he was interacting with some near 0's (who he called "brood of serpents/vipers").  Big time reaction, Ka Boom! 

   Other good examples are Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. and the racist white folks and the entrenched power structure (fed gov.).  He was like 900 and they were nearish 50.(He was NOT killed by a crazy white supremacist, but by a CIA plot. Less because of civil rights, more because he was strongly protesting the Vietnam war). 

    And so it goes with so many who have been killed, imprisoned, or banished because they were speaking truth to power, or just uncomfortable truth in general. Corruption hates truth.  Selfishness hates Love.

    We're seeing some of this on the forum of late. Thankfully, you can't throw literal stones through a computer screen at another, cause I suspect a couple people might be pretty bruised up by now. (oh no, he didn't just say that, did he?)  :o

   Well, this thread IS partly about Retrieval and retrieval is basically about communicating more expanded, accurate truth to those who currently lack conscious awareness of same.  Retrievals are also taking place in the physical level. In a sense, almost everything is about Retrieval. Any who are not yet consciously fully One with Source and the Whole, are to some extent "stuck". 

    Speaking raw, direct, undliuted, powerful truth (as this self is doing now) plants important seeds in people's subconscious minds, hopefully to be sprouted sometime later when the conditions are more right for that individual.  But just speaking/communicating truth and fast vibrational information is important in and of itself, even if it doesn't seem to have any obvious good effects or might even cause controversy, fighting, etc aka that "shadow stirring up". 

Regarding controversy, see the partial quote under my profile.  It's from Jesus, and because he so well understood the collective shadow of humanity and how truth, Light, Love powerfully stirred it all up, is why he said,
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"34 Think not that I have come to bring peace in the earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 I have come to divide a man against his father and a daughter against her mother and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law, 36 And a man's enemies will be the members of his household. 37 Whoever loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; and whoever loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. 38 And everyone who does not take his cross and come after me is not worthy of me. 39 Whoever will find his life will lose it and whoever will lose his life for my sake will find it. 40 Whoever receives you receives me, and whoever receives me receives him who sent me. 41 Whoever receives a Prophet in the name of a Prophet receives the reward of the Prophet, and whoever receives The Righteous One in the name of The Righteous One receives the reward of The Righteous One.

   I'm not religious, but do find A LOT of truth in him and his teachings.  Jesus knew his powerful, pure attunement to PUL would powerfully stir up the collective shadow of both individuals he came into contact with, and humanity in general. 

    I've come to follow in his footsteps, and I too come not to bring peace, but a sword. These forum "fights", etc are just practice runs for more intense, in person stuff later.

Morrighan wrote on Jun 8^th, 2017 at 10:15pm:

Quote: My bad english again to blame no doubt but ...who is supposed to go for a hike here ? the mental mind or the mind ? Understood as the soul/essence ? Do you meditate, Focus69? *** Were the mission work I/we do were appropriate to this forum, I would post it here. Because the work is technical and the language for the work is technical, there is little benefit in posting examples out of context. What few I previously posted here were met with incomprehension and all that goes with that.

Yeah i do meditate (twice each day and i even provide some meditation course) thats why i ask you to precise and reformulate between the "mental" and the "soul mind" as my english is limited sorry again for this... (add to the fact this topic is already utterly subjective, confusion is our enemy by not being very accurate...and a fantastic waste of time as i imagine you know too well in this kind of topic)

I would like to add something about "helpers" which appear today important maybe for you to know on my case.

When i say i try that "helper thing" what i did is just apply the Bruce's method more or less by  asking "mentally" for a helper then pretending hearing a voice answering and begun to make up an entire conversation with "it"... Then i replicate three or four times this process during other sessions and i noticed that sometimes "its" answers was usable and pretty interesting and at some points its like i could forget and separate hence build the illusion i was not the author of the script of this voice.

So was my method "correct or not" ?

Is it preferable to make up a conversation with an helper or just waiting for signs as weaks and hardly interpretable as they can be ?

This is Bruce Moen teaching. He is describing a hypothetical example.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDjRJ5NA2jY

Morrighan wrote on Jun 8^th, 2017 at 3:45pm:

The linked thread is new to me, Uno. Many thanks. In part what I place forward are breadcrumb trails to multidimensionality. More than one thread recently posted speaks to our "higher selves." And I am of course aware of other models such as the disc &c. The experience I am present to evolves even as I write it here. Our team's (I, and others who are not participants here) involvement in technical work necessitates technical language that is outside the framework of this forum. I observe the majority of this work we engage in is unsuited for discussions of afterlife knowledge. This is because we (our teams) work multidimensionally, and "afterlife" comprises but a fraction of the landscape we traverse. In the empirical knowledge all I place forth here is [redacted] I find it best to shuffle the deck for Colonel Mustard, Mrs. White, Professor Plum and Mr. Green.

In my first incarnation on the forum I could and did use vagueness as a line of defense/offense in discussions and debates - to cause confusion. Vagueness was also a product of my inability to state my thoughts clearly. Taking a look at some older posts of mine, they are swept in emotional fog. It's anybody's guess what some of them are about, but I remember how certain I was about that which I wanted to put forth.

If one quiets the mind to the point of stillness (STFU), one is left with awareness and the possibility of pure observation?

Pretty well everything necessary to what I place forth regarding mind is held in the image of Gilligan upthread.

Those of us who cut our teeth on TMI's* methodology learn(ed) to access non-verbal information. The sole refinement I bring into discussion regards access through our embodiment. That said, I am not a teacher, do not strive to teach, and pay no attention to teachers.

What I can add — which you likely know — is when one shifts attention to the Cave of Brahma (the center of the four lobes of the brain) mind becomes quiet. There is a difference, though, between quiet and still. Yet the technique is effective in the shift to the observer position. Up to you.....

And this is the sum of what I put forth regarding techniques for retrievals &c. Some of you (general you) are accomplished retrievers. Focus69 asks for tips and tricks. Vicky (and others) already outlined solid starting points.


* I've broken all connection with TMI and hold no relationship to it, its programs and/or teachings.

Despite assertions that I am not a teacher, follow no teachers and have no interest in teachers, I offer the following. It may appear, on the surface, to be unrelated to retrieval technique.

Embodiment is the name of the game for me and for my work. We all come "here" for as many reasons as there are "individuals". No interest in erudite dissections of "purpose".

"Intent" is one of the breadcrumb trails Bruce presents with the Silly Little Finger Bending exercise. I myself tripped into this in 7th grade as I first made the connection with the intent to move my fingers and the result of moving my fingers. Unfortunately for me, I discovered this in the classroom. My attention was other than on the teacher and her lesson (whatever it was — I've forgotten Mrs. Lady's school lesson and remembered mine!). Predictably I was singled out for humiliation in front of the class. Thus was my discovery of the connection of intent and action repressed. But not for good.

The current refinement is my relationship with my (gasp!) electric bass guitar. And I present this material as relevant to retrievals in strengthening the metapoint of embodiment / formlessness. This may be one clue as to why the embodied can more easily reach aspects of those who are retrieval targets. That's a different subject.

Our bodies are like instruments waiting to be played....

And this is how I personally go about it.  The first part comes through my left hand. I've four fingers on the fretboard, and they are the means to the sacred geometry of music theory. (It's the bass player who knows music theory cold. A keyboard player can play C diminished 7 all day but it ain't C diminished 7 until I say it is.)

So there is a dialogue that occurs with me and my fingers as I ""program" music theory into muscle memory. .... If my first finger is on the root of I on the first string, then that means my pinky is on the inverted third of I on the third string, which means I can play an arpeggio with 4-3-1 (shift) - 4 .... It is not necessary to follow the theory here. What I'm relating are the relationships of observation, intent and action. Completely applicable for retrievals and other, related work.

The second aspect is through my right hand. If you (general you) follow me thus far, this is another mind that is not mind. It's as if I divide my body in two, vertically. The right hand is executing a 1-2-1-2 finger motion and is all about the embodiment of intent. This is the phrasing, the articulation, the attack .... it's about how the left hand is translated into sound.

Then there is the third "mind" in form, and that's my feet. This is about time. As a bass player, I am all about time. There is nothing else but time. It's not about time moving forward. It's about a single point from which time exists. I'm playing from a still point, a zero point, and I can play with it. (To hear a true master of time, listen to Art Tatum. His time is better than an atomic clock. Serious.) In a way this is a new metapoint. It's about strengthening an atrophied muscle ....

We see this in practice in other areas, such as those who chant, sacred drumming &c &c. We come together in TIME and time stands still ....  And time has a breadth (breath!) and I'm free to play with time in this space. One is where I say it is.

Then there is a forth dimension at play .... I am both the doer and the observer, and the observer of the observer ....

From there it gets a little more complex, but the most important aspect is play. Because it's fun to play! Not just play, as in play the instrument, play because of the joy of playing. Playing with my creation .... "Go forth and errorize," as once articulated by Daevid Allen.

The point, of course, is not what I do or what you should do and who the sam hill cares. It's about finding what works for you, and doing what is yours to do.

Doing what is yours to do is all that matters.

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Is it preferable to make up a conversation with an helper or just waiting for signs as weaks and hardly interpretable as they can be ?

   This really depends on the individual. Some are helped by some initial pretending/imagination as Bruce talks about, and others prefer to picture their mind white and blank. 

  Try both and see what works better for you. You may even find that at different times, one approach works well one time, and the other works better at another. 

    Like truth, not much of this is static, though there are some universals as well.  But there is also an ever present "relativity" to it all. That relativity only drops away for an individual when they realize their Soul's and Spirit's highest dream/aspiration.  To return consciously to the Home of Homes, in the Heart of their Maker. 

    For this self, I find being present in the body has some importance, for self came here for retrieval.  One needs to eventually become like a Tree, with the roots in the ground, but the branches reaching up into the heavens.  When this is done well and long enough, and the mind and the heart merge into one, the form of the Tree disappears, and pure Light is revealed. 

       Morrighan, Uno, and Recoverer2 all make good points.  Let's see if this self can provide a little meeting ground and synthesis between these.  The clue is in "Hemi-Sync".  It's very true that over focus on the left brain, intellect part of us, can prevent more clear reception of data from the nonphysical. 

   This is why men, tend to be less strongly, consciously and overtly intuitive than women.  Men tend to have more focus on the left brain and intellect aspects of the human energy system. 

   Especially those connected to male bodies, we do need to "tone" or "tune down" that loud, chattering monkey mind some.  But we still need it, just quiet and in the background, observing more. 

    It is the right brain and Yin part of us that is more involved in the actual receiving of info/data from the nonphysical.  Like Yin attunement and the seeming "side" of Consciousness, the right brain is by nature very receptive, absorbing, intaking, observing, quiet, and more passive.  It is easily trampled on by the louder and more active Yang, male, and left brain part of us. 

  Hence, as Morrighan as said, the need for silence and quietness. 

   But there is no completely shutting down the intellect and left brain part of us, nor should we try.  That's the part that helps us to interpret and consciously recognize/understand what's being received by the right brain.

   In short, we need to balance, integrate, and synthesize them, rather than forsake one for the other.  But, particularly for the average male, it IS good to first become a little imbalanced towards the Yin and right brain to help balance out the habit and pattern of over Yang and left brain attunement. 

    Do you speak astro. language at all?  Well, when transiting Neptune came to be very close to (what astro folks  call "conjoining"), the Sun in my chart, which rules the Ascendant sign, for awhile, I went over much to the Yin side. Whoa Man, Oneness is All (head swaying), it's so so beautiful man.  I even contemplated for a short time, that maybe individuality was an illusion and that Oneness was all there is. 

   Or, in other words, I for a time, became way too polarized to the Yin and the right brain parts of the human energy system, which a polarized reflection and reflected imbalance of the stuck levels of consciousness. 

    Meaning, in the non stuck, fully free level of consciousness, that of pure Love.  There is no "Yin/Feminine" or "Yang/Masculine" per se, or rather there no separation/difference/imbalance or polarization between these.  It is what it is and it's perfectly merged and beyond either. 

  Or, as Bob Monroe said very well, "The whole is greater than the sum of it's parts".   

     So yes, continue spending time learning to be still, quiet, receptive (your inner Feminine self), so that you can more easily and consciously perceive data/info from the nonphysical. 

    Or, as the Teacher of teachers has taught and said, 8"And the two shall be one flesh; after that they are not two, but one flesh." 9"The things that God unites let not a son of man separate." 

  He was asked about marriage, and while he did address the material level, at the same time, he also addressed a deeper consciousness truth that relates to what I've been outlining to you and others. 

  When one fully attunes to pure Love, then the Two become One in the flesh.  Or, as Bob Monroe might have said, we become like "He/She" of his 3rd book.   I'm not quite there yet, kind of like 51% male and 49% female at this point because of the influence of a male human animal body, but that is starting to be phased into what some call Soul and Spirit.  When the body meets face to face with pineal gland, and then starts activating the pituitary, and then one starts to phase into 50% female and 50% male, then the Tree disappears and the Light within the form is revealed. 

The Cave of Brahma referenced upthread is sometimes identified as the pineal gland.

Morrighan wrote on Jun 9^th, 2017 at 12:56pm:

The Cave of Brahma referenced upthread is sometimes identified as the pineal gland.

Thanks!  I was wondering what that was.

Vicky wrote on Jun 9^th, 2017 at 1:21pm:

Morrighan wrote on Jun 9th, 2017 at 12:56pm: The Cave of Brahma referenced upthread is sometimes identified as the pineal gland. Thanks!  I was wondering what that was.

So as we need not reference the TL;DR* edition upthread, when one shifts attention to the Cave of Brahma mind goes quiet.


* TL;DR = Too Long; Don't Read

When shifting attention to make the mind go quiet, does it matter if it the attention is shifted to the pineal gland or one of the nostrils?

Regarding the video 1796 refers to below, when I started to do retrievals I started to do them with imagination being a part of the strategy.

1. I would see a spirit that is in duress.
2. I figured I was shown this spirit because it needed help.
3. I imagined myself helping this spirit, but I wouldn't see anything.
4. Suddenly, I would click out (not fall asleep)  and find myself in the place the spirit in need of help was located. Events would proceed without my imagining anything, and I could see what was taking place.

On some occasions I would be warned ahead of time that a retrieval would take place. For example, one time I heard a voice say, "Get ready to see something horrible." A moment later I saw a lady who died in a fire and was still experiencing a fire, and I helped her break free from this experience.

Initially I wondered if I was actually helping with the process of retrieving spirits. One day while meditating I asked if I was actually doing so. I was shown the cover of Robert Monroe's book "Far Journeys."  The book opened so that page 144 could be felt, and so that page 145 could be seen. I had just received this book in the mail, but had yet to open it. I stopped meditating and grabbed a copy of the book I had received. I opened the book to where page 144  could be found, and it was the first page of a chapter called "Rescue Mission." As far as I know, this is the first time Robert wrote about retrievals. I felt the page number on page 144 rather than saw it, because the first page number of each chapter of this book doesn't display the page number.  The second page number of each chapter does display the page number. This is why I was able to see page 145. Since I had yet to open the book, there is no way I could've known that the first page number of each chapter isn't displayed. There is also no way I could've known that a chapter called "Rescue Mission" started on page 144.

Regarding getting information that could be verified later as a retrieval takes place, it might not always be possible to receive information in this way. There are other things to focus  one's attention on. In the video 1796 provided a link for, Bruce provides an example where he was able to later verify information he received nonphysically, but not during a retrieval. There have been numerous times that I received information nonphysically that I didn't know about beforehand that I could verify later.

Regarding using the imagination method, spirit world travel is different than physical travel. You don't walk to  some location or use a means of transportation such as a bus to get somewhere. Rather, you set the intent to go somewhere. Imagination is a way of setting intent. Also, Astral worlds are the result of imagination, so it makes sense that imagination might have something to do with what is going on.

Vicky mentioned knowing what her guidance feels like. I understand why she said this. When I receive a message from my guidance, I can usually sense the presence of this guidance.

As I think I mentioned earlier, I help with retrievals in a different way now. I merge with the spirit that needs help, and cleansing energy is applied so that the spirit can be cleansed so it can move on to a higher level of being. Sometimes as this takes place, the friendly spirits that help me do this, send me imagery that helps me understand what is going on with the spirit that needs help. I merge with such spirit only to the extent that is needed. It wouldn't be healthy for me to become aware of their entire psychological profile. During the early days of doing retrievals in such a way I experienced some of the lives of the spirits that need help, this was done only so I  would understand what is taking place. Once I got the gist of what is taking place, it became unnecessary for me to  become aware of all of the details.

I believe it is important to state that a person might help with retrievals while asleep, without realizing that he or she is doing so. If one wants to know if this is so, they can ask their higher self/guidance if it is. They might receive the answer in the form of a dream.




1796 wrote on Jun 9^th, 2017 at 7:50am:

This is Bruce Moen teaching. He is describing a hypothetical example. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDjRJ5NA2jY

  Indeed Morrighan, and Mmmmmmm at the right pitch for the individual, really resonates and potentially helps to activate that Cave quite a bit.

    So doesn't the the deep blue/indigo form of copper carbonate, aka Azurite. 

     So doesn't Edgar Cayce's recommended meal, "Mummy food" so called.

Aris Hobeth, the long dead mummy and favored Daughter of Ra, came to life in one of his dreams and asked to be fed chopped up figs and dates, cooked, and with goat milk added. 

  As they ate the food together, she became more and more alive AND together, they read the newly found Egyptian records that are hidden in the inner chamber. 

  Course, that was a "dream" and largely symbolic and maybe even a little precognitive, who knows.  But, Cayce's actual guidance occasionally recommended this ancient food combo as an aid to spiritually intune bodies, to help them to attune better. 

  Or, in a more direct sense, it's a food for and activator of the Pineal. 

     This self, has been doing all the above of late, and whoo boy, things are starting to really open up.  Phasing more and more from purple, to the gold and white light.  Aka in the process of becoming the person that Mrs Dixon was given information about, but as sensitives/intuitive's often do, garbled a bit the translation/decoding/interpretation of the actual vision/received data itself. The vision itself was true, but the translation not so perfect. 
http://www.greatdreams.com/dixon.htm ;

  Or, to paraphrase Elton John a bit, He was born a pauper to a pawn near a Christmas day, when the New York times said God was dead. 

  Well, God is not dead, and there are 3 individuals present in the body, who in the near future future will come and make this very clear to humanity, and then Yeshua-He/She himself, will appear with these individuals to humanity and say, "These humans who were born like you, who struggled with ego, selfishness and temptation like you, are a fulfillment of my promises to you so long ago, that if you follow more fully in my footsteps, then you can become like me."   

  One of those individuals, is sort of a catalyst for the climaxing of this process. Soon after these individuals come and example humanity's potential, then more and more indivduals will start to follow the increasingly trodden and easier to follow path.  As generations pass, more and more will follow fully, until about a 1000 years from now or so, all of humanity will be like this. 

  That, or self is completely deluded and imbalanced. I allow for that possibility too, though a low one, maybe .1%.   

Uno wrote on Jun 9^th, 2017 at 1:41pm:

When shifting attention to make the mind go quiet, does it matter if it the attention is shifted to the pineal gland or one of the nostrils?

   The old ways have come forward again. Making fun of that which self doesn't understand nor perceive well.
:D

   Neither, but as the left and right brain's do the Hemi-Sync tango dance, in combo with a person attuning more to Love than not, then the Pineal starts secreting fast vibratory chemicals like DMT and similar, which opens up a more pure perception for the individual. 

  Now, if the person can get all the 6 glands/color frequencies/inner dimensions from red to purple all in balance, integrated, and then the Pineal and the Heart through the above and attunement to Love. 

  Then does the Pituitary, the 7th Mastergland become fully active in a spiritualized consciousness sense and not just typical human body function sense. 

     And that leads to what some call the full experience and perception of "White Light", PUL, God, Source, conscious Oneness, etc, etc, etc. 

      Yeshua was the last one, and the first one in a very long time, who completed this process to the nth degree while connected to a human body.  Others shall follow.  It is the pathless path that all are called to walk, but only some in this life, walk it consciously and on the straight and narrow.
       It takes a lot of humility and knee bending to fully follow, and some selves have so much pride, so much distrust of authority, so much fear, so much angst and woundedness, that the Heart is very closed.  A closed, defensive, non open Heart cannot walk that straight and narrow path, till that changes and fear is dealt with directly and transformed. 

    While humor can definitely be a part of that, sarcasm rarely ever comes from the same place as true, Heart centered humor.  Sarcasm, like corruption, is a twisting of, and distorted reflection of truth. 

   Sarcasm, should be called, what it truly is, "Heart Scar-Chasm". 

    And Yeshua and Justin wept.

So help me understand: what is the difference between focusing on (give energy to) the Cave of Brahma compared to shifting the attention to either the left or the right Cave of The Nose?

wrote on Jun 9^th, 2017 at 3:32am:

Focus 69 wrote on Jun 8th, 2017 at 6:00pm:  I was refering to the fact you said that very powerful energies used to be victim of ostracism by a large majority... And i was adding that i would consider your point of view very true and that it was also true from a psychological perspective...      Ok, read you loud and clear now.  :)  Yes, it definitely translates to the psychological as well.  One might say especially the psychological and the projection of repressed/disowned/repressed shadow aspects onto the other who reminds you, unconsciously, of those.    For example.  If deep down you are a preachy person, often "preaching in your head" at others, silently, and if a person comes along who is obviously, outwardly preachy, or seems that way, then you might find yourself feeling compelled to tell that person (or others, about them), "Hey, you're a preachy jerk!"      The person in question might just have a passion for data, speaking, writing, self expression, but because you don't like that trait in yourself, but it's still strong in your unconscious, you "project" it onto the person who seems to be that way in a more obvious sense.     What happens when a very fast vibrational, very PUL attuned person runs into contact with temporarily,very slow vibrational, lacking in Love folks? The reaction is much more basic and fundamental. It's like putting baking soda and vinegar together. You can get quite a reaction.     The PUL attuned person tends to powerfully stir up the entire shadow of the temporarily slow vibratory/lacking in Love person.  How much of a reaction depends on the total difference between the two.     If it's a really wide gap/difference, then it becomes very noticeable.  Say person A, more attuned to Love, is at 900 (and 1000 is pure Love) and person B is 10 (0 being complete lack of attunement to PUL, which can lead to self destruction), then the reaction is REALLY strong and noticeable.         Person B. will come to vehemently hate/despise and really try to get rid of person A. They might say things like person A is completely worthless, completely without any value, only bad/negative, etc.     A good example of this is Jesus and some of the religious leaders of his time.  He was at 1000 (pure Love) and he was interacting with some near 0's (who he called "brood of serpents/vipers").  Big time reaction, Ka Boom!     Other good examples are Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. and the racist white folks and the entrenched power structure (fed gov.).  He was like 900 and they were nearish 50.(He was NOT killed by a crazy white supremacist, but by a CIA plot. Less because of civil rights, more because he was strongly protesting the Vietnam war).      And so it goes with so many who have been killed, imprisoned, or banished because they were speaking truth to power, or just uncomfortable truth in general. Corruption hates truth.  Selfishness hates Love.     We're seeing some of this on the forum of late. Thankfully, you can't throw literal stones through a computer screen at another, cause I suspect a couple people might be pretty bruised up by now. (oh no, he didn't just say that, did he?)  :o    Well, this thread IS partly about Retrieval and retrieval is basically about communicating more expanded, accurate truth to those who currently lack conscious awareness of same.  Retrievals are also taking place in the physical level. In a sense, almost everything is about Retrieval. Any who are not yet consciously fully One with Source and the Whole, are to some extent "stuck".      Speaking raw, direct, undliuted, powerful truth (as this self is doing now) plants important seeds in people's subconscious minds, hopefully to be sprouted sometime later when the conditions are more right for that individual.  But just speaking/communicating truth and fast vibrational information is important in and of itself, even if it doesn't seem to have any obvious good effects or might even cause controversy, fighting, etc aka that "shadow stirring up".  Regarding controversy, see the partial quote under my profile.  It's from Jesus, and because he so well understood the collective shadow of humanity and how truth, Light, Love powerfully stirred it all up, is why he said, Quote: "34 Think not that I have come to bring peace in the earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 I have come to divide a man against his father and a daughter against her mother and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law, 36 And a man's enemies will be the members of his household. 37 Whoever loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; and whoever loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. 38 And everyone who does not take his cross and come after me is not worthy of me. 39 Whoever will find his life will lose it and whoever will lose his life for my sake will find it. 40 Whoever receives you receives me, and whoever receives me receives him who sent me. 41 Whoever receives a Prophet in the name of a Prophet receives the reward of the Prophet, and whoever receives The Righteous One in the name of The Righteous One receives the reward of The Righteous One.    I'm not religious, but do find A LOT of truth in him and his teachings.  Jesus knew his powerful, pure attunement to PUL would powerfully stir up the collective shadow of both individuals he came into contact with, and humanity in general.      I've come to follow in his footsteps, and I too come not to bring peace, but a sword. These forum "fights", etc are just practice runs for more intense, in person stuff later.

I am agree with you of course but i must admit i do not recognise the "Jesus words" in thoses second-degree sentences. This is probably due to my limited english and theological knowledge though.

Regarding the fights on forum,  nowadays any "out of the box" brain is often labelled as professional troll so i must admit "i know too well the song" too hehe.

1796 wrote on Jun 9^th, 2017 at 7:50am:

This is Bruce Moen teaching. He is describing a hypothetical example. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDjRJ5NA2jY

Thanks yes i know that famous video and i watched many others.

Recoverer 2 wrote on Jun 9^th, 2017 at 1:43pm:

I believe it is important to state that a person might help with retrievals while asleep, without realizing that he or she is doing so. If one wants to know if this is so, they can ask their higher self/guidance if it is. They might receive the answer in the form of a dream.

While reading your reply this is what I was thinking too.  To add to that I was gonna say that we are always doing things nonphysically that we here physically are not always aware of. 

For example during retrievals where we have click-outs, we as our physical selves are only consciously aware of bits and pieces, but there's till the nonphysical part of ourselves that is fully aware of what's going on. 

So the same is true for "everywhen" else.  I know that intentions are very layered things.  We in the physical view intention as what we are directly focused on wanting, typically with the immediate plan of going and producing a resultant action from it.  However, another layer of how intention works is by mere thought, feeling, or even curiosity however mildly we may be aware of it.  And then another layer is when we intend/want/desire something but we don't know what steps it takes to bring it into being, but inherent in our desire and intention is the acquiescence of our willingness to do and experience whatever is necessary to make that happen.  I call this an "indirect intention".  We may not necessarily be consciously aware of it in the waking state of consciousness but on some level we are aware and willing.

I bet you, Albert, like me are always keeping it in mind that this physical "picture" of ourselves and our lives is but a reflection of our true being.  Just like how when we dream about ourselves, the dream version of us is only a conveyed representation of us, not the whole picture. 

Uno wrote on Jun 9^th, 2017 at 2:09pm:

So help me understand: what is the difference between focusing on (give energy to) the Cave of Brahma compared to shifting the attention to either the left or the right Cave of The Nose?

   There are outer attunement aids for the body, and there is the inner consciousness aspect. 

    The latter is ultimately much more important than certain Yogic breath exercises, toning in a certain way, wearing/using azurite, using hemi-sync, eating mummy food, etc, etc.   

  The consciousness aspect is about moment to moment choosing in relation to others and interaction. It's about seeing and focusing on the God in others, even if it's really covered over.  But that doesn't mean that one doesn't use or attune to tough love ever. 

     Methods for activivating/raising the kundalini forces in the body, should not be attempted by those who are not pure in heart.   

    Reason being, is if you do raise that powerful energy, but you are not near pure in heart and consciousness, then that energy goes to your highest level/gland, and then REALLY amplifies that particular gland/consciusness. 

     If you're primarily focused/vibrating at the 3rd level, for example, then the adrenals will become over stimulated and that will lead to a lot of problems for self.  It will also stimulate the centers below that, the 1st and 2nd, which also will cause a lot of problems for the individual and often times, more so for others that the individual tries to influence. 

  For example, Robert Bruce.  Slow vibratory guy, who has unwisely and prematurely raised kundalini, but because he has blocks at the heart and above, all that energy gets focused in the slower vibratory centers, over stimulating them. 

  This leads to things like over focus on sex/over sex drive, need to control or manipulate others, need to be considered a teacher and expert by others, strong materialism, connection to negative and deceptive nonphysicals and ETs, etc, etc.  Basically 1st, 2nd, and 3rd center over stimulation. 

  A sad, destructive mess that not only hurts the individual, but also others the individual influences/connects with. 

    There are MANY Eastern "guru" figures that one can read about and research and see this same thing, over and over again.  Unwise stimulation of kundalini before it's time. 

  Only those primarily focused at the 6th level are prepared to wisely, safely, and helpfully raise that powerful body energy up.  Funny true story.  When I was a little kid, I had one of those old, pull down a lever, go through some pictures with associated sayings toys.  Well, my toy broke and when I pulled the lever, it would always say, "purp bite, the snow is white".  Course it was talking about color and originally would have either said something about purple, or something about white.  But it got mixed up.
     Hmmm, might be some weird metaphysical truth to it.  The purple and the gold, comes before the white.  If you're mostly red, yellow, and green with a dash of blue, again, not recommended to fool around with raising up Kundalini.    

   I would recommend to stop playing with yer noses to put it more bluntly.   

Vicky:

I get what you're saying. In a way this might relate to Morrighan saying a retrieval can take two to three seconds.

Also, if we develop ourselves spiritually, we can serve as a bridge between this physical world and a more evolved spirit level than the earthbound level. An earthbound spirit might notice the connection, and find themselves moving in the correct direction.

Quote:

I would recommend to stop playing with yer noses to put it more bluntly.

When shifting attention to make the mind go quiet, is there a difference between shifting the attention to the pineal gland or the heart?

Uno wrote on Jun 9^th, 2017 at 2:57pm:

Quote: I would recommend to stop playing with yer noses to put it more bluntly. When shifting attention to make the mind go quiet, is there a difference between shifting the attention to the pineal gland or the heart?

    Pineal gland is like pure mental awareness and heart is like pure feeling. They should be merged/integrated.  It's the Lion and the Lamb becoming the Unicorn, the heart and the head, merging. 

     Don't worry about techniques and the mental perception of it all. 

   If a person focuses on being ethical, positive, honest, service oriented, loving, that's the most important and growth facilitating part. 

  For example, not being ethical would be something like taking jobs for pay by certain corrupt, power hungry groups and individuals and getting into others systems of material info, so to speak, for them.

   The ethics/morality livingness part is far more important than the intellectual "self pleasuring" of occult symbolism and understanding. 

   These truths will be revealed directly to a person, as they go within and open up to PUL more and more, both in meditation and in day to day living and interaction with others. Revelations for an example, is mostly a symbolic process of one, John, going through this process himself via deep meditation/prayer, and living the Christ like life.

   The way, the path, the completion of same in only found in the life of Yeshua.  There is no other way but that kind of  total, holistic attunement to PUL.   

  This does not mean one needs to become a "Christian" in a religious sense. But rather that he is the highest example in the Earth.  To him do I and all truly mature helpers bow and listen to. 

  But it's not a belief system thing, but a livingness thing.  As  one's heart opens more and more, one will become more and more empathic.  This will lead to interesting things like not wanting to contribute to the suffering/torture of animals as food sources, for one example.

  One will become open and honest with others. 

   One will stop caring about the things and pleasures of the earth. 

   One will partake in holistic service to others with no thought of self, material gain. 

   One will think kindly of others and look for the good in them, even while seeing the lack. (It can be found in most all, except for hard core psychopaths).

   I cannot explain LIFE and the process of conscious merging with our Source in a single post, nor a thousand page book. It is both a relative individual path, with certain universals at the same time.  This makes it incredibly complex and simple at the same time. 

  Simple part: be loving, practice the golden rule, practice what you preach, and truly understand the great Universal Law of Like attracts, begets, and resonates with Like and how this influences EVERYTHING in our experience and perception, all the time and on all levels. 

   But you and I are individuals and different.  Some of what works for me, may not work for you and vice versa. That's the "relative, individual" part. 

    This is why going within and developing a living relationship with positive guidance is so, so, so important, because they can steer you better than 99.99999999% of other humans or even yourself. 

  I'm not yet at the level where I can do this with individuals in only ever a purely helpful sense. I make mistakes and errors of perception because I'm connected to a human animal body that is not yet fully phased to pure Love.  Hence, I try to mostly speak generally most of the time, and only get involved with nudging others when I'm really feeling nudged by the most expanded guidance level. 

    And even if I was, would you truly listen to and follow my advice?  Especially if it was uncomfortable?



   

When shifting attention to make the mind go quiet, is there a difference between shifting the attention to the heart chakra or the crown chakra?

Morrighan wrote on Jun 9^th, 2017 at 9:46am:

Pretty well everything necessary to what I place forth regarding mind is held in the image of Gilligan upthread. Those of us who cut our teeth on TMI's* methodology learn(ed) to access non-verbal information. The sole refinement I bring into discussion regards access through our embodiment. That said, I am not a teacher, do not strive to teach, and pay no attention to teachers. What I can add — which you likely know — is when one shifts attention to the Cave of Brahma (the center of the four lobes of the brain) mind becomes quiet. There is a difference, though, between quiet and still. Yet the technique is effective in the shift to the observer position. Up to you..... And this is the sum of what I put forth regarding techniques for retrievals &c. Some of you (general you) are accomplished retrievers. Focus69 asks for tips and tricks. Vicky (and others) already outlined solid starting points. * I've broken all connection with TMI and hold no relationship to it, its programs and/or teachings.

You say there is a difference between quiet and still... I already tried to dig this topic could you develop trying to stay accurate please ? ^^

Then you say "Yet the technique is effective in the shift to the observer position. Up to you....."

What do you mean please, sorry but could you reformulate on this precise topic please ?

Uno wrote on Jun 9^th, 2017 at 3:44pm:

When shifting attention to make the mind go quiet, is there a difference between shifting the attention to the heart chakra or the crown chakra?

Uno, I think focused attention in the heart chakra area is most productive.  This is where I try to live even in an ordinary wakeful state of consciousness. 

Studies are now being done that scientifically demonstrate the heart communicates to the brain more than the brain communicates with the heart.

Here's a short video demonstration.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcjPsEiohoA

Morrighan wrote on Jun 9^th, 2017 at 11:36am:

Despite assertions that I am not a teacher, follow no teachers and have no interest in teachers, I offer the following. It may appear, on the surface, to be unrelated to retrieval technique. Embodiment is the name of the game for me and for my work. We all come "here" for as many reasons as there are "individuals". No interest in erudite dissections of "purpose". "Intent" is one of the breadcrumb trails Bruce presents with the Silly Little Finger Bending exercise. I myself tripped into this in 7th grade as I first made the connection with the intent to move my fingers and the result of moving my fingers. Unfortunately for me, I discovered this in the classroom. My attention was other than on the teacher and her lesson (whatever it was — I've forgotten Mrs. Lady's school lesson and remembered mine!). Predictably I was singled out for humiliation in front of the class. Thus was my discovery of the connection of intent and action repressed. But not for good. The current refinement is my relationship with my (gasp!) electric bass guitar. And I present this material as relevant to retrievals in strengthening the metapoint of embodiment / formlessness. This may be one clue as to why the embodied can more easily reach aspects of those who are retrieval targets. That's a different subject. Our bodies are like instruments waiting to be played.... And this is how I personally go about it.  The first part comes through my left hand. I've four fingers on the fretboard, and they are the means to the sacred geometry of music theory. (It's the bass player who knows music theory cold. A keyboard player can play C diminished 7 all day but it ain't C diminished 7 until I say it is.) So there is a dialogue that occurs with me and my fingers as I ""program" music theory into muscle memory. .... If my first finger is on the root of I on the first string, then that means my pinky is on the inverted third of I on the third string, which means I can play an arpeggio with 4-3-1 (shift) - 4 .... It is not necessary to follow the theory here. What I'm relating are the relationships of observation, intent and action. Completely applicable for retrievals and other, related work. The second aspect is through my right hand. If you (general you) follow me thus far, this is another mind that is not mind. It's as if I divide my body in two, vertically. The right hand is executing a 1-2-1-2 finger motion and is all about the embodiment of intent. This is the phrasing, the articulation, the attack .... it's about how the left hand is translated into sound. Then there is the third "mind" in form, and that's my feet. This is about time. As a bass player, I am all about time. There is nothing else but time. It's not about time moving forward. It's about a single point from which time exists. I'm playing from a still point, a zero point, and I can play with it. (To hear a true master of time, listen to Art Tatum. His time is better than an atomic clock. Serious.) In a way this is a new metapoint. It's about strengthening an atrophied muscle .... We see this in practice in other areas, such as those who chant, sacred drumming &c &c. We come together in TIME and time stands still ....  And time has a breadth (breath!) and I'm free to play with time in this space. One is where I say it is. Then there is a forth dimension at play .... I am both the doer and the observer, and the observer of the observer .... From there it gets a little more complex, but the most important aspect is play. Because it's fun to play! Not just play, as in play the instrument, play because of the joy of playing. Playing with my creation .... "Go forth and errorize," as once articulated by Daevid Allen. The point, of course, is not what I do or what you should do and who the sam hill cares. It's about finding what works for you, and doing what is yours to do. Doing what is yours to do is all that matters.

Again looks a very interesting post you made here but so unclear for my poor english...

First please explain this sentence in stupid language or the simplest you can trying to stay as accurate please.

Finally, could you be kind enough to give me clear subtitles by connecting the dots between your bass analogy and the 3 elements; intent, observation and action which seems to form the relationship you made between your bass and retrievals which composed your forth dimension and(maybe your second analogy ?) as the doer and the observer, and the observer of the observer please ?

I agree with what Kathy said.


Lights of Love wrote on Jun 9^th, 2017 at 5:25pm:

Uno wrote on Jun 9th, 2017 at 3:44pm: When shifting attention to make the mind go quiet, is there a difference between shifting the attention to the heart chakra or the crown chakra? Uno, I think focused attention in the heart chakra area is most productive.  This is where I try to live even in an ordinary wakeful state of consciousness.  Studies are now being done that scientifically demonstrate the heart communicates to the brain more than the brain communicates with the heart. Here's a short video demonstration. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcjPsEiohoA

Strictly my experience:

Quiet vs. Still: Just because someone quits talking does not mean they quit moving.

Focus on nostrils &c: While I know likely dozens of breathing techniques, I'm unlikely in a poor position to advise any. Depends on what one is trying to accomplish.

Cave of Brahma: deep magic not required. Simply shift attention to this area in meditation and the mind goes quiet. Why is a very interesting question.

Heart vs. other chakras: poor, poor solar plexus always gets short shrift. Heart chakra.Throat chakra. Third eye. Crown chakra. All this focus on the upper chakras. To connect with embodiment: solar plexus. Countless lines of yogis and other "wise guys" advise us to focus on the third eye, develop siddhis, &c. And then when they think you're not looking you catch them kicking their dog.
Connect to the solar plexus to connect to embodiment. Otherwise you (general you) fall out of balance too as the lower chakras run their bearings dry.

^ None of the above is advice.

wrote on Jun 9^th, 2017 at 11:55am:

[quote]    Especially those connected to male bodies,

? Because there are female who are connected to male bodies ?

Focus 69 wrote on Jun 9^th, 2017 at 5:27pm:

First please explain this sentence in stupid language or the simplest you can trying to stay as accurate please. Finally, could you be kind enough to give me clear subtitles by connecting the dots between your bass analogy and the 3 elements; intent, observation and action which seems to form the relationship you made between your bass and retrievals which composed your forth dimension and(maybe your second analogy ?) as the doer and the observer, and the observer of the observer please ?

The intent is to bring the formless into form. This is the metapoint we as creator beings create.

We exercise the muscle of this metapoint to make it stronger. A retrieval is one way to do so, but not the only way.

We place the intent. We bring it into form. This is how we make cake. We have the intent of a cake. Without intent there is no form. The cake is formless at this point. We mix the ingredients (the alchemy). We bake the cake. We eat the cake. We are free to share it with our friends or snarf it down by ourselves in one sitting. Up to you! Your creation.

The example I cite could be for anything. For dance, for building a house. For a retrieval. Same thing. We have bodies. They're darn useful for getting things done. OBE,OBE, BFD.

The longer example I cite above is about clearly communicating to my body what I want; teaching my body what she is to do so that it becomes muscle memory; and finally, bringing the formless into form (make music). The kewl thing to me is it is gone as soon as it is. It's always there and never there! Love it.

wrote on Jun 9^th, 2017 at 1:48pm:

Well, God is not dead, and there are 3 individuals present in the body,

Who are those 3 individuals ?

Recoverer 2 wrote on Jun 9^th, 2017 at 1:43pm:

Regarding the video 1796 refers to below, when I started to do retrievals I started to do them with imagination being a part of the strategy. 1. I would see a spirit that is in duress. 2. I figured I was shown this spirit because it needed help. 3. I imagined myself helping this spirit, but I wouldn't see anything. 4. Suddenly, I would click out (not fall asleep)  and find myself in the place the spirit in need of help was located. Events would proceed without my imagining anything, and I could see what was taking place. On some occasions I would be warned ahead of time that a retrieval would take place. For example, one time I heard a voice say, "Get ready to see something horrible." A moment later I saw a lady who died in a fire and was still experiencing a fire, and I helped her break free from this experience. Initially I wondered if I was actually helping with the process of retrieving spirits. One day while meditating I asked if I was actually doing so. I was shown the cover of Robert Monroe's book "Far Journeys."  The book opened so that page 144 could be felt, and so that page 145 could be seen. I had just received this book in the mail, but had yet to open it. I stopped meditating and grabbed a copy of the book I had received. I opened the book to where page 144  could be found, and it was the first page of a chapter called "Rescue Mission." As far as I know, this is the first time Robert wrote about retrievals. I felt the page number on page 144 rather than saw it, because the first page number of each chapter of this book doesn't display the page number.  The second page number of each chapter does display the page number. This is why I was able to see page 145. Since I had yet to open the book, there is no way I could've known that the first page number of each chapter isn't displayed. There is also no way I could've known that a chapter called "Rescue Mission" started on page 144. Regarding getting information that could be verified later as a retrieval takes place, it might not always be possible to receive information in this way. There are other things to focus  one's attention on. In the video 1796 provided a link for, Bruce provides an example where he was able to later verify information he received nonphysically, but not during a retrieval. There have been numerous times that I received information nonphysically that I didn't know about beforehand that I could verify later. Regarding using the imagination method, spirit world travel is different than physical travel. You don't walk to  some location or use a means of transportation such as a bus to get somewhere. Rather, you set the intent to go somewhere. Imagination is a way of setting intent. Also, Astral worlds are the result of imagination, so it makes sense that imagination might have something to do with what is going on. Vicky mentioned knowing what her guidance feels like. I understand why she said this. When I receive a message from my guidance, I can usually sense the presence of this guidance. As I think I mentioned earlier, I help with retrievals in a different way now. I merge with the spirit that needs help, and cleansing energy is applied so that the spirit can be cleansed so it can move on to a higher level of being. Sometimes as this takes place, the friendly spirits that help me do this, send me imagery that helps me understand what is going on with the spirit that needs help. I merge with such spirit only to the extent that is needed. It wouldn't be healthy for me to become aware of their entire psychological profile. During the early days of doing retrievals in such a way I experienced some of the lives of the spirits that need help, this was done only so I  would understand what is taking place. Once I got the gist of what is taking place, it became unnecessary for me to  become aware of all of the details. I believe it is important to state that a person might help with retrievals while asleep, without realizing that he or she is doing so. If one wants to know if this is so, they can ask their higher self/guidance if it is. They might receive the answer in the form of a dream. 1796 wrote on Jun 9th, 2017 at 7:50am: This is Bruce Moen teaching. He is describing a hypothetical example. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDjRJ5NA2jY

Thanks a lot for sharing this little procedure !!

wrote on Jun 9^th, 2017 at 2:00pm:

Uno wrote on Jun 9th, 2017 at 1:41pm: When shifting attention to make the mind go quiet, does it matter if it the attention is shifted to the pineal gland or one of the nostrils?    The old ways have come forward again. Making fun of that which self doesn't understand nor perceive well. :D    Neither, but as the left and right brain's do the Hemi-Sync tango dance, in combo with a person attuning more to Love than not, then the Pineal starts secreting fast vibratory chemicals like DMT and similar, which opens up a more pure perception for the individual.    Now, if the person can get all the 6 glands/color frequencies/inner dimensions from red to purple all in balance, integrated, and then the Pineal and the Heart through the above and attunement to Love.    Then does the Pituitary, the 7th Mastergland become fully active in a spiritualized consciousness sense and not just typical human body function sense.       And that leads to what some call the full experience and perception of "White Light", PUL, God, Source, conscious Oneness, etc, etc, etc.        Yeshua was the last one, and the first one in a very long time, who completed this process to the nth degree while connected to a human body.  Others shall follow.  It is the pathless path that all are called to walk, but only some in this life, walk it consciously and on the straight and narrow.        It takes a lot of humility and knee bending to fully follow, and some selves have so much pride, so much distrust of authority, so much fear, so much angst and woundedness, that the Heart is very closed.  A closed, defensive, non open Heart cannot walk that straight and narrow path, till that changes and fear is dealt with directly and transformed.      While humor can definitely be a part of that, sarcasm rarely ever comes from the same place as true, Heart centered humor.  Sarcasm, like corruption, is a twisting of, and distorted reflection of truth.     Sarcasm, should be called, what it truly is, "Heart Scar-Chasm".      And Yeshua and Justin wept.

Few questions id you dont mind;

1/ Could someone tell me what the substance which is really secreted when one feel that fantastic feeling in the middle of the cave ?
2/ Could someone telling me what (and why) " this unreal sensation of "sucking/melting/secretion/ anti-matter feeling" in the middle of the cave is ?
3/ Does hemi sync more than advised to complete "the full spectrum" or not ?
4/ Is this structure you describe an analogy of chakras ? "all the 6 glands/color frequencies/inner dimensions from red to purple all in balance, integrated, and then the Pineal and the Heart through the above and attunement to Love. "
5/ Would you give me A VERY SIMPLE, BRIEF and consensual procedure to light that structure ? (i had a very brutal Kundalini rise by the way when i first dig the topic...)

   Well for whatever reason, when I meditate, I usually do so lying down with my hands on the solar plexus area.   

  It seems to keep the energies more balanced as the kundalini opens up and flows in a sort of 8. 

   Re: the heart: There are actually two "heart" centers in the body.  There is the unawakened heart, which is the thymus gland and resonates very strongly with what astrologers call Venus.  It's primarily sort of a cyan color type frequency.  It's nice and all, but it's very "personal love" oriented. 

   But then there is the "awakened heart", which actually relates to our actual physical heart.  This part of us, resonates powerfully with the Sun and Golden Light. 

   This requires a balance and integration of the 6 other glands, as well as a mastering of the 6th center, aka the purple level.

  Or in other words, the purple can lead to the golden light. 

   It's merging/balancing the awakened heart with the pineal, along with the other centers, that reveals the pure White Light of PUL. 

     It's never really about focus on any one center, dimension, color frequency or the like.  It's always about balance, merging, integration.

   Just as White Light (symbol for PUL) can become refracted into 6 main colors (think of these as 6 main dimensions or levels of consciousness) when it becomes unbalanced, so too in our energy system are we unbalanced/polarized, and need to bring it all back into harmony with one another.

   You need a little red and Mars to get shite done in this world and to have a backbone.  You need a little coral pink of the Moon of the "gut", you need some yellow Mercury of the intellect and left brain to understand and perceive things consciously, you need cyan of Venus to harmonize with others or deep green of Saturn's positive, teaching side for testing change to help bring balance, you need some deeper blue of Uranus to understand your creativity, will, self expression and the "fulcrum" point between the "lower" and "higher" parts of self, you need the violets and purples of Neptune and Jupiter to feel a more universal connectedness, to have the power of integration between the red and blue, etc, and you need the golden Heart of the Sun and Arcturus, well because you need Love to be positive in general. 

    Merge them all together one within each other, then you become the original expression, the White Light.  You become like Yeshua and our Source. 

   Over focus on any one center, for lack of balance and integration, is not really particularly recommended unless you have a real strong imbalance in an area. 

     Say you're really, really, really yellow.  Well, what's the opposite of yellow, but purple.  Focus on purple can help to balance out the yellow.  That's why the Mercury ruled Gemini and Virgo have their "opposite" signs as Jupiter and/or Neptune ruled Sagittarius and Pisces. 

Hmmm, it's all an integrated system of "checks and balances".   

     Little too red and Martian, well, might be good to focus a lot on cyan and Venus to help balance that out. Hmm,  Mars ruled Aries's opposite Sign is Venus ruled Libra.  :o

These more extreme situations/imbalances are the exceptions to where you really want to focus on a particular center.  Course, focus on the awakened heart is always a good, positive thing since it is such a fast vibratory and balanced vibration.

BUT, the Pituitary is even "beyond" read ,"faster vibratory" than the Heart.  Just as White Light is beyond and faster vibratory than Golden Light. 

      Why not shoot for the Ultimate?  Why be content with a limited expression/attunement, when self can have the fully Universal, fully free expression/attunement? 

  Put the receptive left hand on the Heart and the directive, Yang polarized right hand on the Pineal, and infuse the Purple with the Gold, and if you're doing everything else right and are otherwise close to the White Light, you might find your Pituitary becoming more active/awake, if Kundalini is flowing all the way to there and back, in a constant 8. 

Vicky wrote on Jun 9^th, 2017 at 2:31pm:

Recoverer 2 wrote on Jun 9th, 2017 at 1:43pm: I believe it is important to state that a person might help with retrievals while asleep, without realizing that he or she is doing so. If one wants to know if this is so, they can ask their higher self/guidance if it is. They might receive the answer in the form of a dream. While reading your reply this is what I was thinking too.  To add to that I was gonna say that we are always doing things nonphysically that we here physically are not always aware of.  For example during retrievals where we have click-outs, we as our physical selves are only consciously aware of bits and pieces, but there's till the nonphysical part of ourselves that is fully aware of what's going on.  So the same is true for "everywhen" else.  I know that intentions are very layered things.  We in the physical view intention as what we are directly focused on wanting, typically with the immediate plan of going and producing a resultant action from it.  However, another layer of how intention works is by mere thought, feeling, or even curiosity however mildly we may be aware of it.  And then another layer is when we intend/want/desire something but we don't know what steps it takes to bring it into being, but inherent in our desire and intention is the acquiescence of our willingness to do and experience whatever is necessary to make that happen.  I call this an "indirect intention".  We may not necessarily be consciously aware of it in the waking state of consciousness but on some level we are aware and willing. I bet you, Albert, like me are always keeping it in mind that this physical "picture" of ourselves and our lives is but a reflection of our true being.  Just like how when we dream about ourselves, the dream version of us is only a conveyed representation of us, not the whole picture.

Interesting declension yes, and clever neologism "everywhen" haha

Very surprising also those hidden dynamics you discover during OBE or phasing when you realise that this incongruous sexual urges describes by Monroe was not a joke ^^

Focus 69 wrote on Jun 9^th, 2017 at 6:38pm:

wrote on Jun 9th, 2017 at 1:48pm:     Well, God is not dead, and there are 3 individuals present in the body,    Who are those 3 individuals ?

   I "think" I may know 2 of them, but I'm not sure of the 3rd.  In any case, these are just the initial folks.  After they and Yeshua with them come, people will become inspired to follow their lead/example, and we'll quickly see bright White Light Christ flowers popping up here, there, and everywhere, slowly and sporadically at first, but faster and faster as time goes on. 

    The Edgar Cayce readings give clues to who 2 of them might be.  Cayce's guidance talks about the future direct, literal reincarnation of two past spiritual facilitators and their future roles as helpers at times of great change. 

  One is the reincarnation of Ra Ta/Ra, as a liberator.  According to Cayce's guidance, Ra was a past life influence for Edgar Cayce himself, aka part of his "Disk". 

    The other is the reincarnation of John the beloved/Patmos of the NT, who would be an important spiritual messenger also during the times of great change.   

  It's not all that important exactly who these folks are now, except to know that they are here and will come forward and do what they are meant to, when the time is right. 

  True, complete enLightenment, in some ways is no big deal, because we all are of Source and Love.  It's just a matter of remembering and revealing that.  Humanity needs some in our face reminders of what true attunement to Source and PUL looks like in the flesh, and that's why it's going to happen and happen in the way it's going to happen. 

  Last time it happened, they took the one who did so and put him on an unreachable pedestal and into an untouchable God.  He never wanted that.  He wants us to follow in his footsteps and become like him--a fully conscious, Co-Creating Child of a most beautiful Source.   

  If you really think about it, it's really no big deal at all to remember who and what you really are, is it?  Or that we all have the same potential and ultimate destiny, since we all come from that same Source in some way or another (some of our Spirit selves were directly created by Source and some by the Co-Creator, first returned Child).

   As the completed being told Bob Monroe in his 3rd book, UJ, "There is no greater and no lesser".   If we all are of the same essence, source, beingness and most are moving back to conscious perception/beingness of same, how could there be "greater" or "lesser"? 

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1/ Could someone tell me what the substance which is really secreted when one feel that fantastic feeling in the middle of the cave ?

  Could be a combo rather than just one. Maybe a mix of serotonin, DMT, oxytocin, etc?  I'm not a brain scientist and haven't been all that interested in that.


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2/ Could someone telling me what (and why) " this unreal sensation of "sucking/melting/secretion/ anti-matter feeling" in the middle of the cave is ?

   Different people experience things differently. I'm not sure I experience it quite like the above. For me, when I get really deep and attuned, I tend to feel waves of expanding sensation, then deep stillness, then waves of expanding, deep stillness, as a cyclic pattern.


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3/ Does hemi sync more than advised to complete "the full spectrum" or not ?

   No outside aid or prop is really truly necessary in any ultimate sense, but as far as tools and aids go, Hemi-Sync is one of the more effective of them.  But none of these ever cause consciousness growth and consciousness growth is what we're truly after.  These aids and props are "body attunement" facilitators.  Because we find ourselves connected to a body, in a physical level, such aids and tools can definitely help the body itself raise it's vibration some temporarily or become more perceptive temporarily. 
      But the most important part always in how well you live your life in relation and interaction with others. 


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4/ Is this structure you describe an analogy of chakras ? "all the 6 glands/color frequencies/inner dimensions from red to purple all in balance, integrated, and then the Pineal and the Heart through the above and attunement to Love. "

  Yes and no.  No in the technical sense, and yes in they are similar in a sense. The difference is that both I, and Cayce's guidance, focus more on the endocrine glandular system/hormonal secretion system, rather than some abstract, invisible energy centers as sometimes Chakras are described as. There are other levels and metaphors that we could look at this energy system as, but I'm concerned with the "physicalization", or rather the transformation of the physical, so focus on the endocrine glands themselves I find is more helpful. 

   But a simple and mostly accurate metaphor is physical Light vs color.  Light is made up of various different colors, or can be artificially refracted into various colors right?  Consider the White Light the original consciousness and a symbol/metaphor for our Source and PUL.
     When we use our spiritual Will, given to us by our Creator(s), we can either "maintain" that original, pure state of White Light, our Source, our true essence, pure Love, or we "move away" from it to varying degrees. 

  When we move away only a little, we temporarily refract the White Light within to say a more Golden hue tone.  Separate a little more and then we start to phase to a more violet or purple hue. Get a little more selfish and separative, then we phase more to the consciousness that "blue" symbolizes and "radiates" as an "emanation". 

   So on, and so on, as you slow down the frequency of White Light, to ever slower and more limited, distorted "channeling" of same, till you get to red, which is rather selfish and separative in nature.  Ever meet someone with a mostly red aura in a consistent sense?   Usually quite self centered and more than a little negative. 

    If you choose to become REALLY closed off from PUL and your original essence aka Source Consciousness, then it can show up in emanation as a complete lack of Light, which appears as "black" or "darkness". 
Auras of hard core psychopathic type humans, are often filled with very dark, low, leaden crimson reds and seeming "black".  Avoid such humans as they are truly bad hombres to whom slitting your throat, locking you in their basement for "fun", etc is no different than you thinking about what you will have for breakfast or dinner. 

  Course, I'm over simplifying it.  As consciousnesses connected to a body and the physical, which is the "mixed" level par excellence, often we are working on various different levels simultaneously.  This shows up in our aura correspondingly as various different colors and even "levels" of the aura.   

   But, most people have consistent "predominant" color emanations.  For example, about a year ago, before I had started meditating consistently a lot like I'm doing now, I had a meditation experience with a friend, where she saw my energy as gold and purple predominantly. 
      This btw, matches up very well to my astrological chart, because the Sun and Jupiter are the strongest "Planetary" symbols in my chart (Arcturus is also strong, and that's similar to the Sun, but more powerful and a bit more towards the Golden White).  But, I'm shooting for the all pure White Light, and there is no singular symbol or the like, which can represent that.  It's beyond a singular symbol.  It's the "All in One", the Whole, the synthesis, the perfect balance, integration, and merger. 


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5/ Would you give me A VERY SIMPLE, BRIEF and consensual procedure to light that structure ? (i had a very brutal Kundalini rise by the way when i first dig the topic...)

 

   As mentioned earlier, I don't recommend trying to stimulate Kundalini in any kind of "forcing" way at all.  Only if a person really feels nudged, or it happens to happen spontaneously and naturally. 

    As to what Kundalini exactly is?  Good question.  I have some guesses, but I"m not certain.  It seems to be the basic body electricity that is most "focused", through the very electrically conductive cerebro-spinal fluid in the spine.  That it's physical level/reflection, but on a Consciousness level, it is something like, raw, powerful, unorganized Consciousness energy.  Pluto the Planet as a symbol, seems to most connect with it.   

  Interestingly, Cayce's guidance called Pluto that of "Consciousness" in a very vague, generalized sense.  While Pluto didn't come up a lot in the "Life Readings" for others, it did occasionally, and sometimes was indicated as a rather negative/difficult pattern and tendency, and sometimes as a spiritualized/expanded one. 

Color frequencies I most associate with Pluto are that of very, very deep (concentrated) purple red, like eggplant and aubergine.  On a color wheel, it's between the fastest vibratory (violet/purple) and the slowest vibratory (red).  It has a lot of that raw, life, will, sexual energy of red, but spiritual, service focus and some positivity of blue, but is definitely tipped more to the red all in all, but again, very concentrated, and is a very powerful energy. 

    It's purpose?  I think it's the part of the consciousness system within/without that represents really intense focus, drive, and will. It's like a more Yin balanced, really concentrated Mars on roids. It's like POWER personified.  Power is scary to many decent hearted humans. 

   But power is neither constructive, nor destructive, in and of itself.  It's how you use it which matters. It's similar with Kundalini and Pluto. Kundalini and Pluto probably can be best described, in a simple way, as an AMPLIFIER.  It will amplify the relatively negative, or the relatively positive depending on how you direct it and your Will.

    Much of what is written in the above will not be found in books or the like.  It comes from becoming obsessed with astrology and metaphysics and a "Unified Field Theory" of it all when self was 16, and had started to study these at 13. I did a lot of astrological charts, a lot of intuitive pondering and tuning into people, etc, etc as well as synthesizing agreeing/similar meta data, and eventually more overt guidance, to get to the present. 

  But ultimately, I agree with Morrighan, best to go within, and connect with your own positive guidance team/system. 

   

    

Focus 69 wrote on Jun 9^th, 2017 at 6:08pm:

wrote on Jun 9th, 2017 at 11:55am: [quote]    Especially those connected to male bodies,  ? Because there are female who are connected to male bodies ?

  Whoo boy, this one is a bit of a can of worms. Bodies have their own attunement, their own "personality", inclinations, etc. 

  Most bodies are divided up into polarized male and female. These are a representation and reflection of a "split", an imbalance, a polarization that originally took place within a level of nonphysical consciousness. 
    I say "most bodies", because there are some rare bodies that are more inherently mixed themselves, but that's adding a lot more info. 
     Male bodies incline to certain attunement and expression, like having greater testosterone, etc.  Conversely with female bodies and estrogen and progesterone. 
     Male bodies by their very nature are more "Yang polarized", and conversely with female bodies being more "Yin polarized".
       Now our nonphysical consciousness, our "Soul", tends to be more inherently "mixed" or blended, but not in a perfectly balanced way unless you're looking at a very mature, completed Soul.
      Interestingly, I've found that when my Spirit self, split into the Two (my Disk and my spouse/Twin Soul's Disk), I actually was the Yin ("female like") polarized Disk or part, and her Disk was the more Yang polarized part.  Yet, for some reason, most of my Disk's human lives as been connected to male bodies the most.  Conversely with my Twin Soul--she has mostly connected to female bodies. 
        When a very or unusually Yin polarized/imbalanced Soul connects to a male body, it's not uncommon to find things like attraction to other men, or at the very least, getting a long a lot better with women.  Conversely when very, unusually Yang polarized Souls connect to a female body.   
       Back more on topic:  For different reasons, some biological and some cultural, male bodies tend to be more "left brain" polarized/dominant.  That's whether a more Yin or Yang polarized Soul connects to it.  Now, a Yin polarized Soul can help to "balance" out that strong Yangness of the typical male body.  The converse is also true for a Yang polarized Soul and a female body. 
       Female bodies by nature, tend to be more intuitive, receptive, empathic, gentle, and connection oriented. Part of it is biological (the mothering role/urges), and part of it is cultural/learned. And again, a very Yang Soul can balance out or cancel some of those innate tendencies.

      If you want to see what the attunement of your body physical is like, divorced from your Soul and Spirit influences, then take your astrological chart, and look at your Ascendant/Rising Sign and related factors. This tells you about your bodies innate personality and tendencies independent of the real YOU. 
        I'll use self as an example.  While I have my Sun (more connects to our inner character or Soul level) in serious, deep, complex Sign of Capricorn, my Rising/Ascendant is Fiery Leo, the Sign that rules the heart and spine in the body. 
         Like a lot of Americans, I have a very mixed ancestry, but I look most like Highland Scot and have definite reddish hues, light gray blue eyes, etc.  Celtic/Gaelic bloodline is one of the surviving "Atlantean" groups.  The Atlanteans were the "red" ethnicity or group.  They were highly intuitive, highly psychic for most of their history.  This has left an imprint in their latter surviving bloodlines. 
        Many well known inventors and psychics, have had strong Atlantean body descent.  Bob Monroe, Edgar Cayce, Tom Campbell, and a number of other notables have had strong Celtic blood.
        Anyways, Leo is a Fixed Fire Sign.  It has very strong emotions/feelings, but somewhat contained/directed. All in all, it's pretty Yang polarized (especially so when male).  It has tendencies towards pride, fiery temper, strong feelings, being dramatic, being "warm hearted", being direct, being honest, being self conscious.   

       In some noticeable ways, this body-personality is fairly different from my inner Soul self, which is more introverted, more quiet, more reflective, more Yin/Feminine in nature.  Sometimes the expression that others see comes more from the body influences, sometimes more from my inner Soul self, and sometimes from a mix/blend.
      When the body shines through more and people see it's expression more, people tend to see or think of this self as a loud mouth, bombastic egotist, or the like. Certainly this body does have some of that, as it's more direct, dramatic, overt, obvious, as Fire energy/attunement tends to be. 
         But the real me, the me before I connected to a body, is much more quiet, soft, reflective, etc, and definitely at least a bit Yin polarized.  People mix and match Souls to bodies in various different ways and in different combos and balances. 
         Sometimes a Soul will choose a body that is more similar to their innate patterns.  Sometimes 180* different, sometimes slightly different, all to varying different degrees. 
      For some reason I've yet to fully figure out, I've chosen similar kinds of bodies and have been born with Leo Rising at least a few times that I know of. Maybe it's the focus on the heart?  Dunno.
       The innate, high intuitiveness of this body is shown by a combo of Fire Sign Ascendant, Neptune trine the Ascendant degree, Uranus square the Ascendant, Aqua Venus opposed it, and the "ruler", the Sun in Capricorn sextile Uranus, trine Jupiter, parallel Neptune, and square Pluto. 

   This is a fascinating metaphysical topic and one can get very deep and holistic into it all. There are many layers and correspondences with other aspects of life and "indications" or signs or symbols.  It all, for example, could be translated into colors as well.  Leo for example, is sort of a high orange shading into yellow in the average sense, but if the Sun is also strong at the same time, then it's more Golden Light. 
    There have been brief periods here and there where self felt and perceived for a moment or two, that it could almost fully understand and perceive all the connections between everything, all levels, all relationships both in the relative AND absolute perspectives. 
     But, ultimately, the human brain is just not equipped to hold that kind of simultaneous data for any length of time.

     But some ET groups are in the process of adding "updates" to the human body, through tweaking genetics and adding some of their genetic info to it, or the like.  This is sort of like getting a Modem/router combo upgrade, so that one's body can more easily and harmoniously receive and process more data dense streams.
         Morrighan seems to think that I (nor most) don't understand the body.  Issue is more that I have an extremely holistic and deep understanding of the body, and have come to some both similar and yet very different conclusions about it. I came into this human experience/level, from being an ET for a long time (12, 000 years in human terms).  I was obsessed with genetics when I was younger, before starting to get guidance downloads when 12.  I have both an ET and human understanding of the human body. 
         Frankly, I prefer some of the previous ET bodies.  It's like driving the souped up Delorean from Back to the Future, vs driving a beat up, old Ford station wagon.  The future human bodies about a thousand years from now, will be a lot more similar to what I got use to. But all in all, I appreciate the body and try to treat it like a Temple as far as it's health and maintenance goes.   

wrote on Jun 9^th, 2017 at 2:51pm:

Uno wrote on Jun 9th, 2017 at 2:09pm: So help me understand: what is the difference between focusing on (give energy to) the Cave of Brahma compared to shifting the attention to either the left or the right Cave of The Nose?    There are outer attunement aids for the body, and there is the inner consciousness aspect.      The latter is ultimately much more important than certain Yogic breath exercises, toning in a certain way, wearing/using azurite, using hemi-sync, eating mummy food, etc, etc.      The consciousness aspect is about moment to moment choosing in relation to others and interaction. It's about seeing and focusing on the God in others, even if it's really covered over.  But that doesn't mean that one doesn't use or attune to tough love ever.       Methods for activivating/raising the kundalini forces in the body, should not be attempted by those who are not pure in heart.        Reason being, is if you do raise that powerful energy, but you are not near pure in heart and consciousness, then that energy goes to your highest level/gland, and then REALLY amplifies that particular gland/consciusness.       If you're primarily focused/vibrating at the 3rd level, for example, then the adrenals will become over stimulated and that will lead to a lot of problems for self.  It will also stimulate the centers below that, the 1st and 2nd, which also will cause a lot of problems for the individual and often times, more so for others that the individual tries to influence.    For example, Robert Bruce.  Slow vibratory guy, who has unwisely and prematurely raised kundalini, but because he has blocks at the heart and above, all that energy gets focused in the slower vibratory centers, over stimulating them.    This leads to things like over focus on sex/over sex drive, need to control or manipulate others, need to be considered a teacher and expert by others, strong materialism, connection to negative and deceptive nonphysicals and ETs, etc, etc.  Basically 1st, 2nd, and 3rd center over stimulation.    A sad, destructive mess that not only hurts the individual, but also others the individual influences/connects with.      There are MANY Eastern "guru" figures that one can read about and research and see this same thing, over and over again.  Unwise stimulation of kundalini before it's time.    Only those primarily focused at the 6th level are prepared to wisely, safely, and helpfully raise that powerful body energy up.  Funny true story.  When I was a little kid, I had one of those old, pull down a lever, go through some pictures with associated sayings toys.  Well, my toy broke and when I pulled the lever, it would always say, "purp bite, the snow is white".  Course it was talking about color and originally would have either said something about purple, or something about white.  But it got mixed up.      Hmmm, might be some weird metaphysical truth to it.  The purple and the gold, comes before the white.  If you're mostly red, yellow, and green with a dash of blue, again, not recommended to fool around with raising up Kundalini.        I would recommend to stop playing with yer noses to put it more bluntly.

You wrote "It will also stimulate the centers below that, the 1st and 2nd, which also will cause a lot of problems for the individual"

What is the 1rst 2rd and 3rd level and all those levels ? Chakras ? And what kind of problems are you talking about please ?

And what Robert Bruce did wrong to block a the heart exactly ?


Are you referencing to Aura colors here ?;  "The purple and the gold, comes before the white.  If you're mostly red, yellow, and green with a dash of blue"

How do you do to see those colors ? During meditation or even in C1 waking ? (soory many questions...)

Morrighan wrote on Jun 9^th, 2017 at 5:43pm:

Strictly my experience: And then when they think you're not looking you catch them kicking their dog.

looool

Thanks for the responses to the questions posted previously in the thread.

Awareness - the state or condition of being aware / perception about what is within and around you.

Intention - an act or instance of determining mentally upon some action or result / an aim or plan.

Attention/focus - the action of dealing with or taking special care of someone or something / the centre of interest or activity / giving energy and possibility to something.

Distinction/contrast - the recognizing or noting of differences; discrimination / to compare in order to show unlikeness or differences; note the opposite natures, purposes, etc., of. / to make clear or at least clearer than before.

A previous post about conscience started in the morning the same day it was uploaded. Some time of that morning was spent writing a short preface to the post and definitions were sorted and added. An intention was made: finish the text later, see if any content comes up during the day. Shower.

I met a colleague in the kitchen at work and she told me about the bucket held in her hands. It was meant to be a coffee dregs deposit bucket. Her intention was to later distribute the dregs around her house to repel cats. I noted her use of the remains of my previous addiction, my everyday drug of choice to inhibit calm and clear thought. That's how it worked for me at least.

While focusing on work, being occupied with work, putting energy into work and hence producing work, all of a sudden an image appeared in my mind and I jotted down some spur of the moment symbols about conscience and emotions for recall later. Continued work, and suddenly images of halos arrived in my mind and jotted down the word halo. Attention was then shifted to work. That's a behind the scenes look at that particular post. Intention first, then attention/focus/action.

The following day: intended to find background music suitable for work. The thoughts drifted off to my dark half, the part of myself receiving the least amount of light. Wondered what a specific band was up to and found a new album, shifted though and listened to a song. Alive came the clear, defined and unapologetic sound of bulldozers' intent for destruction and obstruction. Easy to recognize. But how about that which presents itself as good, seemingly does good, becomes indistinguishable from proper good, and yet hold and hide the same bad intent? Most people are fallible and transparent in some way or another. Good can be good, but can also be apparent good. Continued listening to the song. My jaws tightened, was I getting angry? Sluggish and heavy? The voice in the song was distorted, pierced by icy spikes of hard emotions, contempt and scorn. Was not afraid of the music and what it represented, but noticed the lure, the pull of apparent strength. Continued to listen. Repeat. Then there was light pressure at the top of my head, followed by a sense of waking up in a bubble and a mildly confusing sense of joy and happiness (due to the sudden contrast). I also sensed a sphere of warmth moving down from the head and spreading downwards. I acknowledged gratitude, that the decider part of me woke up again. Turned off the song, put on familiar light work music, and attention was directed at work.

Morrighan wrote on Jun 9^th, 2017 at 6:14pm:

Focus 69 wrote on Jun 9th, 2017 at 5:27pm: First please explain this sentence in stupid language or the simplest you can trying to stay as accurate please. Finally, could you be kind enough to give me clear subtitles by connecting the dots between your bass analogy and the 3 elements; intent, observation and action which seems to form the relationship you made between your bass and retrievals which composed your forth dimension and(maybe your second analogy ?) as the doer and the observer, and the observer of the observer please ? The intent is to bring the formless into form. This is the metapoint we as creator beings create. We exercise the muscle of this metapoint to make it stronger. A retrieval is one way to do so, but not the only way. We place the intent. We bring it into form. This is how we make cake. We have the intent of a cake. Without intent there is no form. The cake is formless at this point. We mix the ingredients (the alchemy). We bake the cake. We eat the cake. We are free to share it with our friends or snarf it down by ourselves in one sitting. Up to you! Your creation. The example I cite could be for anything. For dance, for building a house. For a retrieval. Same thing. We have bodies. They're darn useful for getting things done. OBE,OBE, BFD. The longer example I cite above is about clearly communicating to my body what I want; teaching my body what she is to do so that it becomes muscle memory; and finally, bringing the formless into form (make music). The kewl thing to me is it is gone as soon as it is. It's always there and never there! Love it.

So metapoint is another way to label an intent ? Why the need to create a new word ? Or is there a concept i am missing here ?

And why do you then make a DIRECT relation with retrieval ???

Now if one could consider metapoint as a fancy way to express an intent, (no offense here just try to understand you combining to my poor english...) could you explain me what i am supposed to understand here;

"(To hear a true master of time, listen to Art Tatum. His time is better than an atomic clock. Serious.) In a way this is a new metapoint. It's about strengthening an atrophied muscle ...."

To grasp the concept of meta, here is a meta-joke: a bloke walks into a pub. Something happens. The result is hilarious!

***

What then, is the metapoint of form and formlessness?

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You wrote "It will also stimulate the centers below that, the 1st and 2nd, which also will cause a lot of problems for the individual" What is the 1rst 2rd and 3rd level and all those levels ? Chakras ? And what kind of problems are you talking about please ?

1st=gonads/sex glands (Principally Mars and Pluto's "start" or base, and the color red), 2nd=leydig cells right above same (principally Moon and coral pink), 3rd=adrenal gland (principally Mercury and yellow). 

   Problems, as written earlier: "This leads to things like over focus on sex/over sex drive, need to control or manipulate others, need to be considered a teacher and expert by others, strong materialism, connection to negative and deceptive nonphysicals and ETs, etc, etc.  Basically 1st, 2nd, and 3rd center over stimulation. 

   Another way of saying it, is overly mired in and overly attached to the mud that is the physical, as well as overly attuned to selfishness/self centeredness, fear, ego, etc. Hyper egotistical, but this often "hidden" from others, by keeping one's real thoughts, feelings, to self, because self knows that if self was open and direct with all that to others, that they would see how much issues, ego, and negativity going on. 

   However, sometimes a "guru" figure accumulates so much attention from, manipulation of, and power over their "disciples", that their "inner circle" starts to see the mask removed because the false guru is so confident others are under their power and control fully.  THIS leads to some extreme abuse and misuse of power. 


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And what Robert Bruce did wrong to block a the heart exactly ?

     For most, it's often a combo of different things.  Often time wounds or abuse from others contributes, often times too much selfishness which leads to separateness or lack of feeling of connection to others in a more Universal way, and often--influence from outside of themselves.  Commonly called "possession", but better called "influence", from negative nonphysicals or ET's.  There is a negative ET group that is particularly crafty and well learned in the manipulation of humans and their beliefs, perceptions, etc to the human's detriment or their influence on others. 

But, deep down, at it's core, it's most related to a lack of self and other Love. They don't yet know and fully accept that they are an extension of a most beautiful Child of a most beautiful, Loving Parent.


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Are you referencing to Aura colors here ?;  "The purple and the gold, comes before the white.  If you're mostly red, yellow, and green with a dash of blue"

   Mostly yes, I am.  These radiative emanations that we can perceive and translate into color terms, relate to a combo of how our Consciousness is, and how it streams through a body in this level.  There are both physical dimension rule sets and larger system rule sets, that interact and are connected within a whole system. 
     More specifically, aura colors MOST correspond, to how our Consciousness interacts with the endocrine glandular system aka the "Centers" I referred to earlier.  If for example, you have a lot of Consciousness focus in the awakened Heart and in the Pineal gland, then Gold and Purple type colors and shades, will be strong in your auric emanation. 

    If you have a lot of focus in your 1st Center, aka the gonad/sex gland, and say the 3rd Center--your adrenals, then you will tend to have a lot of red and yellow (or tan) type shades in your aura. 

   But no one is "doing it to you" (though negative forces can try to nudge you in limiting directions).  It's all about choice and focus.  All can become pure White Light eventually. It's all about choice, focus, and how these influence consciousness growth, stagnation, and/or retrogression. 

  There have been some, somewhat mature Souls who have come into this Earth to help in retrieving, but because of the difficult nature of this dimension, the friction, challenge, apparent chaos, and much suffering some of these at some point, took a wrong turn in their life with a limiting choice or belief, and then they started to retrogress consciousness wise. Sometimes this is "helped" by meddling, outside influences like negative nonphysicals and/or ET's.

   This is part of the reason why, literal, direct reincarnation of more mature Souls tends to be more rare than not. Rosalind McKnight's main nonphysically focused guide "Ah So", didn't want to give Rosie or Bob Monroe his real Earth name when he was focused here, because he said doing so, would tend to match up his energies more to the physical Earth than he would like. 

  Now, Ah So is a pretty strong, mature, true Helper whose primary focus is within the Golden Level of Love outside of this system, aka Arcturus.  If he is hestitant to become too enmeshed with physical energies again, can you imagine what the average mature retreiver type consciousness would feel about taking another direct dive in after a previous Earth human life? 

    Well, that's part of why it's more rare than the "new Disk mixes" and projection into a new Earth-human life experience. 


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How do you do to see those colors ? During meditation or even in C1 waking ? (soory many questions...)

   I rarely ever see, in a physical sense, anything other than what we commonly see in physical reality.   ;)   I have here and there, seen colors (and the etheric glow is very easy to perceive in a physical like way), little flashes of light (often while reading, writing, or thinking of something), sort of seeing White Light during meditation sometimes, and "spying, nonphysical, large spiders", but all in all, I most perceive things in an intuitional way.  Sort of pure knowing, without any "sense related" phenomena. 

This is related to strong attunement to the awakened Heart, the Pineal, and starting to activate the Pituitary. 

   The White Light is the fastest vibratory Consciousness. The Golden White Light is the next fastest vibratory level of Consciousness (Arcturus leading to Galactic Core).  The Golden is the next fastest vibratory main level of Consciousness (Sun leading to Arcturus).  Then the purple-violet range (Jupiter and Neptune), then the blue (Uranus), then cyan (Venus), then yellow (Mercury), coral pink (Moon), and red (Mars).   Pluto is less of a specific gland/center, and more related to Kundalini and the process of same. 

  Then we have Saturn= complete lack of Light, aka "darkness, blackness".  When a Soul becomes so closed off from PUL and Source as to become pure negative selfisheness aka hard core psychopathic, then they destroy themselves.  Saturn symbolizes this "nil" or "non dimension" experience of self destruction. Often times when Saturn IS strong in a person's chart and psyche, it most connects to the 1st Center along with Mars. 

   By "strong" in a chart, I mean especially when in the 1st House, near the Ascendant degree from the 12th, or conjunct the traditional, faster moving ruler of the Ascendant Sign. For example, if a person had Virgo Rising, and the ruler of same, Mercury, was conjunct Saturn, then Saturn would be a lot stronger than it would be normally. 
    Other conditions include general angularity (4th, 7th, and 10th House positions or near their cusps especially when in major aspect to the Ascendant degree), in the 5th House especially when in major aspect to the Ascendant degree, and/or conjunct the Sun. 

  These in order from strongest to relatively less so, show a very highlighted Saturn in a chart.  One can apply all the above to any other Planetary symbol. 
     For example, I said that in my chart, I have Sun and Jupiter strongest. Quick examples of how that is indicated in the chart.  Jupiter is the Planet closest to my Ascendant and in the 1st House, it's trine the ruler of the Sign it's in, Mercury and less than a full degree, it's trine the Sun which is also the ruler of the Ascendant, it's conjunct the traditional ruler of both the 4th and 9th Houses (Mars).   
       For the Sun, I was born near Solar Perihelion when the Earth is closest to the Sun in it's orbit around same, Sun is in a powerful Cardinal Sign (Capricorn) which is the Sign of it's "rebirth", the Sun is in my 5th House, and has strong major aspects to many other Planets (most of them).  Widely conjunct Mercury, closely trine Mars, trine Jupiter, trine Saturn (traditional ruler of the Sun, Mercury, and Venus Signs), sextile Uranus, parallel Neptune, and closely square Pluto. 
     The only Planets it's not directly in main aspect to, are the Moon and Venus.  (These are highlighted in other ways--Venus is in the 7th and opposed Ascendant degree, Moon and MC signs being Venus ruled, and Moon widely conjunct Saturn, traditional ruler of Sun, Mercury, and Venus Signs).

  Hi Focus69, just wanted to let you know that while your questions are interesting and worthwhile to ask, I'm going to disengage from answering them on the board unless really nudged to. 

  As Morrighan has said, go within.  All knowledge and wisdom is within each Soul.  It's just a matter of opening up to it.  For that, building a relationship with your own internal guidance system and team, is important. 

    If I or anyone act too much as a "guru ticket machine booth", then others can get over dependent on a limited source (me and most other humans), when they have access to unlimited sources deep within. 

   Thank you for the opportunity of service, and I'll keep in touch for sure, in a more casual way, but you can get your own answers and don't need to ask me or others all these questions. 

   Hi Uno,

  Don't know if you remember or not, but in your earliest incarnation here, both Albert and I said we got the sense that you have a lot of potential. Speaking for self, I rarely say things lightly or causally, unless I'm just joking/fooling around.  I wasn't then. 

     I get the very strong sense, that this is a very Uranian and Plutonian life for you.  A life of extremes and learning to balance polarization, and integrating the fast vibratory and the slower vibratory. As well as directly facing the inner; individual and outer; collective shadow.

  It appears like you're moving in the positive direction, as well as starting to balance and integrate these contrasting inner and outer energies more.  I'm not sure what all this talk of good, apparent good, etc is all about, but I guess that's ultimately, more about you and part of the above process. 

    Anyways, just wanted to say, good job, glad to see the above, and guidance is happy about things.  Hi 5.  :)   
  (p.s., the above is not apparent good and positivity, but sincerely meant).

KB, thanks. I haven't read ACIM and know nothing about it. The way you and others describe it is how I see apparent good - claims to be good, but really isn't: the opposite of good, the opposite of what it claims to be. Again, I have no knowledge about it. It's just an example I think you will understand and relate to. That said, I have no further interest in the example nor to energize it with my focus more than as an example.

Uno wrote on Jun 10^th, 2017 at 9:51am:

KB, thanks. I haven't read ACIM and know nothing about it. The way you and others describe it is how I see apparent good - claims to be good, but really isn't: the opposite of good, the opposite of what it claims to be. Again, I have no knowledge about it. It's just an example I think you will understand and relate to. That said, I have no further interest in the example nor to energize it with my focus more than as an example.

 

   I knew what you meant in a general sense, but not sure what situation or who you were applying it to?  Anybody in particular you are thinking of?   

    Keep in mind the great, universal, ever present Law, Like attracts, begets, and resonates with Like.  This means that it takes clarity on a being/consciousness to perceive clearly. 

Most humans do not perceive fully clearly all that often.  Often times most humans are projecting their own repressed/suppressed/disowned shadow aspects onto other humans that stir same up. 

   This is called "typical, human judgement".   It takes a lot of consistent and strong attunement to PUL to truly start seeing life, others, and the larger reality in a truly clear, balanced, and holistically accurate manner. 

  Only those fully of the Consciousness that the White Light represents, fully see/perceive fully clearly and accurately.

  Understanding these Laws, reactions, and how energetic interaction, attraction and repulsion works, is very important to learn how to "better know self" and see self more clearly.

  For example, if Yeshua showed up in your neighborhood one day, but wasn't doing his miracle thang, but preaching or talking to various people and getting a bit of attention. Probably something like 1% of your town or city, would be interested in him and what he had to say, and a percentage of those might be really strongly attracted to him and his energy.  The latter would basically fall deeply in love with him.

   But the majority of town or city folks, would be annoyed by him.  Likely the average "decent hearted" folk would consider him preachy and arrogant. 
     The more selfish  and negative of the town folks, would think even worse of him, and think he was trying to con people for some reason, or they would say he's a deluded, imbalanced, or a madman.  The really negative, lacking in Love folks--the malignant narcissists and psychopathic types, would vehemently HATE him with a passion and try to get rid of him.

  They might concoct a plan to try to set him up and get him in legal trouble, or hire someone to off him. 

  Well, isn't that interesting that when Yeshua was here publicly teaching, despite all the constant miracles, a lot of the above actually did happen.  Hmmmm.

      Well, welcome to Albert's and my world, to a slightly lesser degree, but increasing in intensity as we attune more to Source and PUL. We often play the dumping ground for the projection of other people's shadows, or in other words, their inner garbage they don't want to deal with directly.

  Like attracts, begets, and resonates with Like.  For example, if someone finds themselves being attracted to say R.B. or someone like him, well, that's not a good indication for the person being attracted unless the person is really good/kind hearted and is just being conned/deceived as sometimes does happen.   

Hey KarmicBalancer,

Do no worry, you seem to like the spiritual literature so you must very well know the concept of impermanence hence already know my series of questions would have an end... ^^

My purpose when asking so many questions is not only ingenuous but is also to "scan your own operating system"...  (In view to try to avoid as much as i can any misunderstanding in a topic not only utterly subjective, but extraordinary hard to deal with considering our already subjective language and dialectic which represents very weak & lame tools to analyse this extremely delicate phenomenology...)

But i thank you ALL very much for your numerous very interesting messages and the time you dedicate to write them.

Please receive all my most sincere gratitude.

  I appreciate the gratitude Focus69.  Agreed, there is a lot of subjectivity involved in these areas and topics, which is why it's important for people to develop a relationship with their own internal, positive guidance system, because humans (including me currently), can make mistakes and errors of perception. 

    I have not yet met one human so far, except for He/She (and we haven't physically met), who has completely clear and only accurate perception. 

wrote on Jun 10^th, 2017 at 9:26am:

As Morrighan has said, go within.  All knowledge and wisdom is within each Soul.  It's just a matter of opening up to it.  For that, building a relationship with your own internal guidance system and team, is important.

(modestly sanitized version)

Time/Space coordinates: Boston, USA, 1970s. Boston in that time is a very rough place. How rough is it? Even the rats wear leather jackets.

Your narrator and a gentleman now displaced in time negotiate an agreement. Said gentleman wears a lapel button that reads: "Turn Yourself In".

"Que?"

"Turn yourself IN," he says.

The penny drops.

There is no outside outside.

/end

wrote on Jun 11^th, 2017 at 10:15am:

I appreciate the gratitude Focus69.  Agreed, there is a lot of subjectivity involved in these areas and topics, which is why it's important for people to develop a relationship with their own internal, positive guidance system, because humans (including me currently), can make mistakes and errors of perception.      I have not yet met one human so far, except for He/She (and we haven't physically met), who has completely clear and only accurate perception.

Is it too indiscreet to ask you who are you talking about here please ? ;    "I have not yet met one human so far, except for He/She (and we haven't physically met), who has completely clear and only accurate perception. "

Morrighan wrote on Jun 11^th, 2017 at 10:48am:

wrote on Jun 10th, 2017 at 9:26am: As Morrighan has said, go within.  All knowledge and wisdom is within each Soul.  It's just a matter of opening up to it.  For that, building a relationship with your own internal guidance system and team, is important. (modestly sanitized version) Time/Space coordinates: Boston, USA, 1970s. Boston in that time is a very rough place. How rough is it? Even the rats wear leather jackets. Your narrator and a gentleman now displaced in time negotiate an agreement. Said gentleman wears a lapel button that reads: "Turn Yourself In". "Que?" "Turn yourself IN," he says. The penny drops. There is no outside outside. /end

Hehe

You are our Sphinx here ;)

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Is it too indiscreet to ask you who are you talking about here please ? ;    "I have not yet met one human so far, except for He/She (and we haven't physically met), who has completely clear and only accurate perception. "

   Yes, I think this probably ok to answer directly and might have some larger/non specific helpfulness. Have you read Robert A. Monroe's last book, "Ultimate Journey"?   My internal guidance led me to read this book (sometimes guidance does work like this--meaning sometimes it does lead you to human works or other people in a temporary sense). 

      In this book, Robert, aka Bob, talks about asking his Expanded self level, what he first called "INSPEC" and then later called his "I/there" (and what Bruce Moen calls a Disk), if he could meet the most mature (spiritually evolved), human living in his time/space cycle. 
     Bob's guidance/Expanded self said sure, but it might not be what you expect.  Boy were they correct.  Bob in his OBE state is led to a normal looking room with a person sitting at a desk. The person's radiation is very powerful, stunning, overwhelming to Bob. The person feels completely balanced/merged between female and male.  Bob can't tell if the person is a female or male, so he starts to think of them as "He/She". 
        He/She almost instantly knows that Bob is there in his OBE state/focus, and immediately closes down their radiation, and the control was perfect. They have a very interesting telepathic conversation that covers everything from some of He/She's work in the Earth as a seeming human, as well as big, world wide changes to come that would initialize/facilitate the plan of global human change/transformation that He/She brought up.
        During the conversation, Bob learned that He/She was around some 1800 years old, worked many different jobs around the clock, doesn't age, doesn't eat, sleep, drink, etc anymore.  He/She calls Bob on some of his personal belief system belief bluffs.

        Bob had more than a little bit of the Mercury/Trickster, as well as indirect Water archetype in him.  He wasn't always as direct as he could have been. Bob believed in non front loading of his fellow humans, and more in leaving subtle bread crumbs for people to follow so to speak.  He didn't put the number to He/She's age to the exact, accurate year, but he did leave some clues to the identity of this person otherwise. 
          It is my intuition/opinion/belief that "He/She" is really Yeshua (Jesus), who still is seemingly in the flesh, working among humans on both the physical, and nonphysical levels.  He is the consummate Retriever (actually, his original, first self, is literally the first Retriever).
          Because He/She aka Yeshua is fully aligned to PUL and Source Consciousness, he has perfect and fully expanded perception. He doesn't have any of the human baggage and distortion left. He appears to have a physical body--one we could touch and feel as physical, and yet, he is neither limited, nor distorted, as we are.   
           If you perceived and translated his radiation into Light vs color terms, he has an amazingly pure, bright, radiant, White Light aura.  This individual is my teacher and who I work for in a sense.  I would like to and am in the process of growing up to become like him.

         But, what he is, all of us are, can, and someday will be.  Pure Love incarnate aka connected to this slow vibratory, stuck dimension called the physical. Yeshua had let his human animal physical body die, and a few days after, he co-created a thought form body based on his human body's appearance.  This thought form body is a direct reflection of his Consciousness and is unlimited and undistorted.
        So far, I haven't met another person in seeming human form like him.  There are Light Beings that temporarily manifest and use a human appearing form to temporarily interact with humans, but these are temporary appearances for specific purposes, like Vicky's hospital account. I'm aware that before this human life, I sometimes did the above. I was there in seeming human form, as a messenger, when Lot and his family was warned of the coming destruction to his "town". 
        But it's something else to become like He/She-Yeshua. Takes more focus, more dedication, more intensity, and more self sacrifice. The path is open to all, but so few walk it to completion.  Yeshua was the last one to do so in a very long time as humans count it. As mentioned, others are here and in the process to try to do similar, as further examples of this potential and state of being for humans. 

Okay thanks a lot Justin for this explanation !!

Any idea where He/She Lives those days ?

And what do you mean here please;"like Vicky's hospital account."

Focus 69 wrote on Jun 12^th, 2017 at 12:19pm:

And what do you mean here please;"like Vicky's hospital account."

Here's a link to where I recently re-shared this experience:

http://afterlife-knowledge.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?num=1495749948/0