Subject line says it all.

To expand on this, briefly: not only is this possible but it is a highly desirable skill in my experience.

Please, do go on. Do you have any examples of this? Bruce talks about retrievals of aspects of self. There seem to be variations of retrievals of aspects of self in other sorts of meditative practices. I am particularly interested in this regarding healing aspects of ourselves which were wounded in childhood in such a way that the impact is felt throughout life.

In regard to the afterlife, it seems that a fragmented self would require being made whole in some way. I am unclear how this works.

From what I can gather, it seems that there are helpers which assist in this process when we cross over.

seagull, some I once worked with call what you speak about: frozen children.

Locating, conversing with and "retrieving" frozen children is a high skill. I put "retrieving" in quotation marks because there is no "retrieval" in the Afterlife Knowledge sense. What occurs is profoundly different than a retrieval, in my experience.

An example of a frozen child may look something like this: an aspect of us remains "frozen" in time at a Life Critical juncture. Let us imagine (in this example) a young girl whose horse breaks its leg and is put down as she watches. The complexity of the event overwhelms her emotional capacity and the child self remains "frozen" in time. As an adult, she remains part of us with emotional baggage that is left unresolved. This manifests in Real Life (TM) in various emotional incapacities that can cripple relationships.

The "rescue" or "retrieval" of the frozen child frees both the child and the adult of the embedded event.

Enough of theory.

While it is true I know and have worked with those who are highly skilled with frozen children, I find the techniques they use to be of limited effectiveness. The problem, I discovered, is the remedy doesn't "stick". My personal technique is rematrixing timelines. What does this mean?

To me, rematrixing timelines begins with allowing the frozen child to come to the table of her/his own free will. Finding the child is often the greatest challenge. Some are deeply hurt and can be most challenging to coax out of the safety of their hiding place(s).

It's always possible when operating in the Now. And this is how timelines can be rematrixed - by working only in the Now.

"Retrievals" of Selves who reside in the afterlife territories is really a different topic, in my experience. Likely I'll follow up on this topic in a bit. There's a great deal more first on the topic of frozen children, IMO.

Retrievals of "afterlife selves" is a distinct topic and I take up my own experience in this area ever so briefly.

Truly this topic brings me into the realm of spiritual physics and it's most difficult to explain without a great deal of background infos. One model that helps, I find, is to imagine a 7D diamond. 7D as in seven dimensional. It's only a model I describe here. We no more mistake a wooden ball and dowel model of an atom for an actual atom ....

I'll call the geometry of the diamond "the field". In context with the subject, we are field beings being a field, and, like the diamond, we are multidimensional. (We are actually 12D but 7D is easier to grasp.)

The base of the diamond does not shift. In terms of our fields, this is the "observer". Those of us who practice mediation are likely aware of the observer. (And as I mentioned on another thread, experienced meditators can become aware of that which observes the observer.)

The other points on our 7D diamond are variously occupied by - I'll call them - personalities. Typically an embodied individual in human form will have five primary personalities that shift according to need. One or another will "take the driver's seat". It is up to the observer to note which personality is in the driver's seat within the greater field that is the field being you are.

I find retrievals involve the restoration of all the composite personalities into the greater field. Some of these - I'll cal them personality shards - ask to be returned to the greater weave.

Some of these shards are "outside" of our embodied experience and, I suppose, could be considered of the afterlife territories. I don't personally subscribe to that as it does not precisely match my experience. But it's a model and useful enough.

Hope that helps, seagull.

Although I have great respect for various techniques to observe and assist such, I honestly gravitate toward those perspectives which call all such out. In other words. It is not necessary. To participate in a group chant and to experience oneself as part of a group which resonates through time and space. Enough.

I do love the imagery of the diamond which you describe. The point, at which we all connect. Realize, we all connect at that specific point. It is who we are. The rest of it is all an illusion. It so totally is.

wrote on Apr 29^th, 2017 at 3:36pm:

Although I have great respect for various techniques to observe and assist such, I honestly gravitate toward those perspectives which call all such out. In other words. It is not necessary. To participate in a group chant and to experience oneself as part of a group which resonates through time and space. Enough.

Yes that certainly works too!

Morrighan wrote on Apr 27^th, 2017 at 1:55pm:

seagull While it is true I know and have worked with those who are highly skilled with frozen children, I find the techniques they use to be of limited effectiveness. The problem, I discovered, is the remedy doesn't "stick". My personal technique is rematrixing timelines. What does this mean? To me, rematrixing timelines begins with allowing the frozen child to come to the table of her/his own free will. Finding the child is often the greatest challenge. Some are deeply hurt and can be most challenging to coax out of the safety of their hiding place(s). It's always possible when operating in the Now. And this is how timelines can be rematrixed - by working only in the Now.

Morrighan,

Last September I took Bruce's Self Healing workshop which focused on aspects of self, which is a fascinating topic, and one that I want to continue using.  I think I'm clearly aware of certain aspects from my current life that I'd like to work on, and I'm willing to bet there are others that I'm not aware of.  Can you explain more about why techniques don't stick, or reasons why this is so, and talking more about rematrixing the timelines? 

Before I begin with this analogy I state categorically for the record I do not garden for anyone for any reason. There is no reason to go past mastery. Done, finito.

There are some varieties of weed that are very difficult to eradicate for good. Choker vines are among these. They cut the light off from the host plant the choker vines climb. The host never really dies, nor can it thrive. The parasite plant needs its host. The only way to permanently clear the parasite plant is to dig out every bit of the root. Any root that is not completely removed will grow back.

And this is why I seldom see "spiritual" clearing methods that have a permanent effect. Some of the root remains. Actually this is also true with medicine, both Eastern and Western. I've no wish to delve deeper into that mechanic at this moment.

What I find to be effective is rematrixing timelines. And it is never the healer's duty to do so. The entire mechanic of healer-patient is flawed (this is the part I said in the previous paragraph I didn't wish to go).

Rematrixing timelines in my experience, begins with .... now this is difficult to relay properly. I speak strictly now from my own experience with this. It has to do with a shift to a new metapoint of ourselves as Both/And. From this position we make new connections that were unavailable before. That's how we rematrix timelines. Where all is possible ....

I believe that if one works with one's higher self, one can deal with whatever aspects of self they need to deal with.

I do not believe that higher selves have been waiting for somebody to come up with a new technique.

Morrighan makes statements that seem to indicate that her and her team have come up with ways that nobody else has yet to discover, and thus far, people haven't been doing what is needed.

Not getting caught up in limited psychological conditioning and not learning from others at all, are two completely different things. Perhaps there is some value in what other people have learned.

Recoverer 2 wrote on Jun 13^th, 2017 at 10:57am:

I believe that if one works with one's higher self, one can deal with whatever aspects of self they need to deal with. I do not believe that higher selves have been waiting for somebody to come up with a new technique. Morrighan makes statements that seem to indicate that her and her team have come up with ways that nobody else has yet to discover, and thus far, people haven't been doing what is needed. If I remember correctly, she said her team is she and one other person, and some non-physical beings she hasn't clearly identified. Not getting caught up in limited psychological conditioning and not learning from others at all, are two completely different things. Perhaps there is some value in what other people have learned.

This thread has an ex-member, so edits aren't possible.

I see upthead a reference to working with one's "higher self".

My personal experience — Your mileage may will vary! — is as multidimensional beings we have no single "higher self". It all depends on which reference prism we use.

Think of "reference prism" as "timeliine". Though "timeline" is massively misleading when accessing multidimensionality.

When we look at an individual's "mission of the soul", for example, which mission on which reference prism do we observe? There are many in all cases I observe(d).

What one believes has little bearing on anything. I know 4 year olds who believe they should have cookies for breakfast. Their beliefs have no bearing on what is empirically determined as factual.  :-X

Morrighan:

Certainly you have some beliefs, because if you didn't, you wouldn't have a basis for saying anything.

Beliefs that are based on false knowledge are a problem,  not beliefs that are based on what is true.

For example, if a person has found through experience and other means that God is the source of all love,  it isn't wrong to have such a belief.

Regarding higher selves, when we reach the point when we are at one with God, then we won't need to speak of things such as higher selves, soul groups and realms of being. But when we aren't there yet, just as it is applicable to say that we are now incarnated in a body, it is applicable to say that we are an extension of our higher self, and that wisdom can be found with our higher self. To say that we are beyond doing such a thing before we have actually rejoined our higher self, can be a self-limiting intellectual trap.

Let us not go down the rabbit holes of tautology — a cherished passtime here at ALK :o

By definition participants on this board possess the skills necessary for personal confirmation of anything without reliance on others. If there is a single leitmotif in my posts, it is expressed by: go look for yourself.

One way or the other people will need to either BELIEVE that beliefs have no place at all, or that they have a place if used wisely.

If you share your "beliefs" on a forum, don't be surprised if  people express differing beliefs.

If a person wants to find out what is true, he or she doesn't need to completely dismiss everything other people have found out. Rather, say a person wants to find out if something such as the Disk viewpoint is true in some way. As long as a person isn't emotionally attached to finding an answer one way or the other, a person can verify if such a viewpoint is true without getting fooled.

We can learn from others. Some people have found things out without getting fooled. If numerous people experience vast divine love during their NDEs, it is okay to consider the possibility that they experienced something that actually exists in a manner that is beyond delusion or deception.

"Morrighan: If there is a single leitmotif in my posts, it is expressed by: go look for yourself."

An example of tautology: I went there personally.

Serious thread drift.  :(

Morrighan wrote on Jun 12^th, 2017 at 10:39pm:

Before I begin with this analogy I state categorically for the record I do not garden for anyone for any reason. There is no reason to go past mastery. Done, finito. There are some varieties of weed that are very difficult to eradicate for good. Choker vines are among these. They cut the light off from the host plant the choker vines climb. The host never really dies, nor can it thrive. The parasite plant needs its host. The only way to permanently clear the parasite plant is to dig out every bit of the root. Any root that is not completely removed will grow back. And this is why I seldom see "spiritual" clearing methods that have a permanent effect. Some of the root remains. Actually this is also true with medicine, both Eastern and Western. I've no wish to delve deeper into that mechanic at this moment. What I find to be effective is rematrixing timelines. And it is never the healer's duty to do so. The entire mechanic of healer-patient is flawed (this is the part I said in the previous paragraph I didn't wish to go). Rematrixing timelines in my experience, begins with .... now this is difficult to relay properly. I speak strictly now from my own experience with this. It has to do with a shift to a new metapoint of ourselves as Both/And. From this position we make new connections that were unavailable before. That's how we rematrix timelines. Where all is possible ....

I'm taking in what you're saying here, I guess trying to see it from a perspective I haven't thought of before.  Very interesting way to look at it!

On record: in my personal (professional) work there are no attempts ever to heal anyone, improve their lives &c &c. I don't permit anyone to dump that on my field! Strictly reporting what I observe in the course of my work.

"Morrighan: Serious thread drift. Sad"

The response was an attempt at funky humour, and I have my reasons for it, being born in a decade so disco even the rats had afros. Ok, serious.

Your description of self retrieval sounds similar to how some shamans speaks of soul retrieval of soul pieces, but it's about healing supposedly.

Humor now seen, Uno. Yep.

While it is true that I was born into a line of healers, it is also true that I declined entry into the profession. That does not mean I did not learn from my family; my father in life was a most respected pioneer in his chosen medical field. That's his life and not mine.

In my own work with clients, I do not proceed until my client grants me explicit permission to look at their field; and their agreement that should any shift in their field occur it is entirely their responsibility and not mine.

To the first point: it is my view that another person's field is, shall we say, private property? To put it another way, I may view someone's house from a public street. It is widely agreed that we ask permission to enter that house. That's what doorbells are for.

For me, picking up on someone else's field is as natural as [your favorite metaphor]. It's a mixed blessing. Picking up on some is a bit like walking into a municipal dump to find a dead skunk. So I take some care in my daily life not to tune in too closely unless there is a need. This is, in part, how I do sometimes misread posts. It's because I am being careful with my own field. I find it disconcerting to read the YouTube comments of the landscape of life.

When I do engage, that's a professional agreement. When I close the field at end-of-session, the field is CLOSED. This is not only for my well-being but for my client's as well.

As stated elsewhere and repeated here for clarity, I find it vital to to tell if someone is usurping multi-dimensional frequencies for their own power. Equally, it is vital to tell if we are usurping multi-dimensional frequencies of others for our own power.

Which brings me to the second point regarding a doctor's/healer's relationship with the patient. To me, it's another savior-victim energetic and I won't buy into it. Cowboys need indians. Cops need robbers. White supremacists need people of color.

Thus I do not begin a session without an agreement that if any healing takes place it is entirely the client's doing and client's responsibility. Not the same model that shamans use. Or, not any shamans I've met.

What I observe that occurs in the course of a session (distinct from my mission work and distinct from anything I do here) begins with the agreement that I report only what I see and make no effort to change the individual, heal the individual or make things better.

I am always more surprised than my client at what transpires. It can be anything.

Which is not the point.

At question is the reclamation of what one might call "personality shards". That's inaccurate but will need to do for now. What I observe is being present to what asks to be seen. Sometimes this may be an aspect of self that has been left behind.

To be continued ....

Sometimes I'm mystified as to what is meant by terms I suspect you are more familiar with than the reader, but this was clear to me and I enjoyed reading about how you think and see things.

In your experience with aspects of self, is there a common reason for them to be left behind? Is there a common/familiar response of a self when an aspect returns?

It's fascinating, Morrighan.  I'm enjoying the way you explain things and your analogies. 

And I have the same questions as Uno!

What appears to engage as I look into another's field (again, with explicit permission) is a shift to that individual's metapoint of both/and.

For we (some but not all) are eternal beings engaged in a temporal experience. The metapoint of both/and is the presence of the being who is both eternal and temporal AND. The mission teams I work with have names for these dimensions that are fairly meaningless out-of-context. It doesn't matter. My experience on this board is the usage of these names for the dimensional aspects of an individual are counter-productive. We do technical work and little of it concerns afterlife knowledge.

And often observed here are the questions: do you have helpers? who are they? are they of the light? are you of the light? what is your alignment? Blah blah, woof woof as Jimi Hendrix sagely remarked. All that matters is I am doing what is mine to do. This is all that is required of anyone, insofar as I see.

What is mine to do is engage in a dialogue with my client on a multidimensional level from the metapoint. And honestly I never know what will happen.

What sometimes happens is some aspect of Self comes forward to be acknowledged. In this respect it's a little like an afterlife retrieval. Listening is nine tenths of the work.

It is at this point where people appreciate a good story. Like when Client Z suddenly recognized an aspect of herself and shifted immediately. Oh yes, very good story time. And here is where I remind our home viewers: it's only a story. We are our own stories. We create our stories and our stories create us.

This is how we rematrix timelines. Okay, I don't like to call them timelines. I call them reference prisms. And that's correct in a more technical way when talking of a multidimensional Being.

From the metapoint of both/And it is possible to shift a story into a new recursion. From the metapoint of both/And all is possible.

Who knows why certain beings choose the paths they do? Ri Runno. That's why I am so particular about never interfering with another's field.

Okay, story. We have a certain individual, a client, whose multidimensionality includes a personality who does not wish to be seen. This is a fully developed, complete personality, and this personality sometimes takes the driver's seat. As one might well imagine, this can create a lot of "problems" in the individual's life as other personalities believe that with nobody at the wheel the car will go out of control.

What occurs from the metapoint in which the client is shifted into is we can begin talking of this aspect of self who runs and hides. And sure enough, it is as if this personality is hiding behind a door, listening to every word we say. And, like a retrieval, this personality is coaxed to come into the room of her own free will. And now for the first time we let her speak.

Only the client has the power to decide. To me, it's about being present to what wants to be seen.

To be continued? It's only a story ....