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Title: Things I learned about retrievals &c. Post by Morrighan on Mar 23rd, 2017 at 12:12pm
Hello
The very best place to start is the beginning .... was that Alice who said that, or Dorothy or Maria from Sound of Music? Fact is, I can't place the beginning point. There are junctures that appeared at the time to be a beginning, but there was something before that. My TMI Gateway Voyage is / was (I threw it away) on cassette tape. Think about that. Cassette tape. That's positively prehistoric. Disclaimer: I never attended TMI in person, only by remote owing to cost. That's only a footnote. Here is a short summary, in Power Point sort of bullet points (RUN! It's a meeting!). Your mileage may vary. If symptoms persist, consult your doctor. Offer not good after curfew in sectors R or N.
Likely I've more to add, and will do so. Rath Dé ort, Morrighan |
Title: Re: Things I learned about retrievals &c. Post by OutOfBodyDude on Mar 23rd, 2017 at 8:46pm
If exploring nonphysical reality is possible while fully awake and engaged in conscious physical activities, I'd certainly like to learn this ability. Perhaps you could go into more detail regarding this?
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Title: Re: Things I learned about retrievals &c. Post by Morrighan on Mar 23rd, 2017 at 9:14pm
Meditation with eyes open and walking meditation might be good starting points. Yantras are often used as eyes open meditation tools.
To me it's all about staying in my body and listening to her. |
Title: Re: Things I learned about retrievals &c. Post by OutOfBodyDude on Mar 24th, 2017 at 11:58am
Walking meditation is a foundation for Buddhist practice, yet I'm unaware of any Buddhist who engages in extradimensional projections and retrievals while awake. Surely there is more to it than this. I've personally been having OBEs for 16 years and meditating for quite some time as well, so I may have the bases covered.
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Title: Re: Things I learned about retrievals &c. Post by Morrighan on Mar 24th, 2017 at 12:10pm
Tom Campbell (My Big TOE) demonstrates the technique in more than one video. I haven't watched Tom in years so I can't point you at which. I recall watching and thinking: I'd like to be able to do that.
To me, the deal is staying in my body, not doing OBE. I agreed to this embodiment for a reason(s). Anyone can OBE, in my experience. Rath Dé ort. |
Title: Re: Things I learned about retrievals &c. Post by Justin on Mar 24th, 2017 at 5:05pm
While Tom Campbell is a pretty mature/old Soul type, he is by no means at the zenith of consciousness expansion.
Tom, like all humans, had/has blinders in certain areas. For example, he didn't do a very good job of discriminating Seth for what it is, nor the person he originally chose to run his forum. In both cases, he was unaware of the lacking in light nature of both. Tom also doesn't believe that ET's visit here in physical bodies and physical ships. He doesn't understand that there are ways to artificially speed up the vibration of matter, to temporarily phase it just outside of this dimension and thus outside of the rule sets of the speed of light, etc and it becomes less about "speed" or distance, and more about quantum like entanglement transference from point A to point B, time or distance wise. So like with any human, a certain amount of readied salt is prudent to take. Me, I've been off on the exact timing of the changes/collapse a couple of times. Only the Co-Creators have perfect or near perfect perception. Truly, in this world, it's best and most ideal to listen to these the most of any source. They will not steer a person wrong. Only one's receiving and translating can lack. |
Title: Re: Things I learned about retrievals &c. Post by Morrighan on Mar 24th, 2017 at 6:05pm
To me, Mr. Campbell illustrates the skill of shifting seamlessly without OBE. As I said, I haven't paid any other notice to him in years. Batting 1000 is pretty rare.
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Title: Re: Things I learned about retrievals &c. Post by OutOfBodyDude on Mar 24th, 2017 at 8:41pm
Morrighan
The lack of useful information you've provided regarding my inquiry is curious. Makes me wonder what your purpose is here. |
Title: Re: Things I learned about retrievals &c. Post by Morrighan on Mar 24th, 2017 at 11:33pm
What might you like? Divining intent on Website posts is a slippery slope.
I believe you asked how to achieve perceptional shifts without the rigamarole of OBE and all associated preparations. And I suggested, as a starting point, meditation with eyes open, or walking meditation. I presented Mr. Campbell's ability instantly shift states as a point of consideration. What I share in part is my experience of staying in body is a critical component. Our bodies have great wisdom in my experience. This is largely contrary to what we have been told and / or have learned. I spent a great deal of time doing all my work in the old way before I discovered it is all unnecessary for me. Thus do I share some of my experiences. |
Title: Re: Things I learned about retrievals &c. Post by Justin on Mar 25th, 2017 at 12:29am
I've only ever had a couple classic out of body experiences.
ALL OF IT, all nonphysical experiences, perceptions, etc, is really about phasing/shifting. Even in classic out of body, it's not really that one is going out of body. That's an illusion of limited perspective. It's like quantum physics, Bell's Theorem and non locality. It all takes place in consciousness and consciousness is One. Since it's One, there is no real linear space and time as we perceive it. But there are both rule sets and tendencies to this focus, and when a consciousness is focusing strongly in this focus/level/dimension/whatever you call it, you get influenced by same. Each focus level is like a specific color or colored lens. When you focus in or through same, on that specific color or colored lens, you become colored by the color to some extent. Continuing that metaphor, the physical is the red level. The trick is to not let the slow vibratory nature of the body influence your consciousness too much, but to have the fast vibratory nature of one's consciousness to gain control of and to infuse the slow vibratory construct of the body with it's fast vibratory essence. Eventually releasing the stuck physical construct to it's original form and nature, which originally was not so limited and stuck in nature. Some of the most profound and most spiritually expanded experiences I've had, have taken place in meditation so deep that I became completely unaware of my physical body and physical surroundings, and became so focused on a much, much more expanded dimension/focus. In here lies the meaning of Edgar Cayce and his work. In here lies the meaning of Bob Monroe's visit near the aperture and his communication with the completed beings, and coming back to a body that almost died. In here lies the meaning of the Biblical teaching, to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. Interesting how you consistently try to teach exactly the opposite. Interesting how you seem to put the body on a pedestal. The body as a construct, as a perspective, as an experience, is the opposite of Spirit. It's is the Soul's temporary, projected shadow. We are here to transform and retrieve it, not to continue it indefinitely. It is the Reptilians, the anti retriever, and the psychopathic Souls that want to continue the stuck physical indefinitely. It is they whom are addicted to it and the slow vibratory/lacking in Love nature of same. |
Title: Re: Things I learned about retrievals &c. Post by Justin on Mar 25th, 2017 at 1:04am
Another way to understand this whole process in a metaphorical sense is the following:
When we, the individuated aspects/prisms of Source used our prisms of will to imbalance and break up the White Light, the original consciousness, into various different, seemingly separated colors, these naturally got ordered in a system from slowest to fastest vibratory. This is like the physics of color as compared to light. Red is the slowest vibratory (most limited/stuck) dimension and violet/magenta is the fastest vibratory/least stuck of the stuck dimensions. The physical body is the red part of the spectrum. The higher dimensions are the violet and golden levels. In truth, they are part of a circle and circular nature of the system--sort of like a color wheel. Point is, too much focus on the physical body (red end of spectrum), and you really start to limit your consciousness in both a perceptual and beingness kind of way. Just like in auras and their relation to a person's character and spiritual development, the more attuned to pure Love one becomes, the faster vibratory the colors that radiate become. Eventually we get to the violet level and we can then try to integrate/balance all levels back within one, and know the White Light state again. But the violet, the Pineal is the Door before that state. I tell you truly, as Yeshua is speaking to me now, one will never get there by over focusing on the body and the red part of the spectrum. Too much of that, will only limit self. This is why psychopathic personalities are so, so, so focused on material reality. All they know and care about is the red part of the spectrum. Psychopaths are almost always at their core materialist atheists with no interest or awareness of spirituality, metaphysics, deeper philosophy. Occasionally some have some nonphysical awareness, but they have no concern with things like Love, Source, Oneness, etc. |
Title: Re: Things I learned about retrievals &c. Post by Morrighan on Mar 26th, 2017 at 10:51am
My interest is with what I actually find, respective of what I read or heard of somewhere. I am my own person. I know who I AM.
If pregnant or breast-feeding, ask a health professional before use. Separate topic: we choose to embody here now as humans. This is what I find. |
Title: Re: Things I learned about retrievals &c. Post by Justin on Mar 26th, 2017 at 12:08pm
Sometimes an individuated self is just not enough. Sometimes it takes a whole village. And sometimes within that village are selves much wiser/more aware than oneself.
The true mark of humility, is accepting the need of, and learning to listen to those selves whom are much, much more aware and clear than self. This is what my meditations are about--I've made a habit of attuning to and listening to those selves whom are much, much more aware and clearly perceiving than myself. More over, I specifically ask to communicate with the most aware, clear, expanded selves. I then communicate, in somewhat garbled, distorted form, what is communicated to me. But most don't want to hear it or certain aspects of it, not because there isn't truth to it, but because there is more potent truth to it than they are used to. We all of course could do this, but most just don't and won't. Many humans are not particularly interested in potent truth--they are much more interested in comfort. The devil you know, is less frightening than the angel you don't. Plato's allegory of The Cave applies much here. Many humans have eyes who have become so accustomed to a lack of Light (aka the 'dark'), that when bright Light is shined in their direction, they can't handle it and can become a bit Golam'ish like and exclaim angrily, "ah, that ugly light, it burns us, it burns us. Get away from us ugly light, get away." Yet another strange irony of the interaction of unreality with that of reality. Thankfully, this sacrificial Goat-Fish can handle the heat/backlash. From one Goat-Fish to a more earthly focused Goat, here's a Goat hoof high five. :D |
Title: Re: Things I learned about retrievals &c. Post by Morrighan on Mar 26th, 2017 at 1:00pm
I know Miles Davis and coffee on a Sunday morning is part of what connects me to the greater whole. https://youtu.be/_uqtzuGtjuA
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Title: Re: Things I learned about retrievals &c. Post by rondele on Mar 26th, 2017 at 5:14pm
Miles Davis a good choice. Speaking of Sunday mornings here's another classic to get in the mood.
https://youtu.be/DQAKY1ntM9o R |
Title: Re: Things I learned about retrievals &c. Post by 2bets on Mar 29th, 2017 at 10:00am
Maybe we haven't expanded our range of doing retrievals because we never had the intent to expand. It sounds like Morrighan was studying to find more ways. I always felt I was 'exploring' the afterlife, meaning I had no particular goal beyond the standard Moen/TMI form of retrieving.
Morrighan, you mentioned reading The Tibetan Book of the Dead. One sentence to cover possibly nine years of work. Did analyzing that 'book' help you set goals, Morrighan, like step-by-step? Or was it more like immersing yourself in it until you were fully drenched in it and then it happened? 2bets |
Title: Re: Things I learned about retrievals &c. Post by Morrighan on Mar 29th, 2017 at 10:58am
My personal view after a lifetime (lifetimes?) study of the Book of Between-States (AKA The Tibetan Book of the Dead) is: Walk on By. https://youtu.be/ijhL9Y7skQs It has more problems than an early Mets game, in my experience. But if it sings to you, go for it. I feel the life of a Tibetan muckety muck is pretty dreary and I've not much time for the "follow our teachings and you'll achieve enlightenment / awakening / salvation" set. Bart Simpson's catchphrase comes to mind LOL.
That topic came up for me just the other day. Religious communities are very good at it, and the same thinking appears in other communities including the "spiritual" community. A few examples may include:
Etc. etc. Been going on a long, long time. Back to the Tibetan Book of the Dead. How many problems were intentionally inserted in the text/teaching to preserve the priesthood's control — e.g. refinements of any of the bullet points above. We can't just have any old schlub doing whatever it is they please, eh? Order must be preserved in the hands of the right people — such as those who "know better than you"! |
Title: Re: Things I learned about retrievals &c. Post by 2bets on Mar 29th, 2017 at 5:32pm
Hello Morrighan,
Definitely the human race has been hoodwinked by the 'priestly caste'! I still don't know though if just anybody could move into these activities. Do you have a plan for how much you're going to share, or may we ask questions now? I've got a lot of questions! For example do you have to prepare the person-in-transition for any of your process? (I guess I better wait to see if you want to take questions before I ask more.) 2bets. |
Title: Re: Things I learned about retrievals &c. Post by Morrighan on Mar 29th, 2017 at 9:20pm
Sure, ask away.
I deemed my preparation for (and process of) the the most recent guide work too boring to post. Since it's apparently not, here we go. I am skipping the business formalities. The name of the transitioning person is all I really require. Once I have an ident I can locate anyone. The question I might anticipate here is: how do you do that? And I'm not certain I can answer that with any clarity. All I do is look. That's how I place my intent. It's action. Bruce teaches some techniques for placing intent. Me, I look. Whatever works for you .... I brought this point up a day or three ago on another forum that is about ... hair. The sort on your head. It's a place where (mostly) ladies talk about growing and maintaining long hair. There is a sub-forum open only to site members where a thread for witches (and pagans and druids and what-have-you) has been going on for five years. I sometimes post to the thread if I have something useful to say. Someone posted how she used a smudge stick to clear her home of negativity following a period of many people and high emotions. I posted a reply to say that the power is not in the smudge stick. The power is in YOU, and if the smudge stick helps focus intent then fine. But the smudge stick has no power in being a smudge stick. It's a bunch of herbs tied in a bundle and nothing more than that. Two witchy sorts reply: "I totally agree with you. The smudge stick and smoke give you something to focus your energy on. You can do the same with just sitting in one spot and fully focusing, with no tools. But there is comfort in ritual." and "I've heard that concept phrased as "A good magician can do high magic(k) naked in the middle of a desert with no accoutrements whatsoever, but sometimes it's convenient not to have to dedicate mental energy to remembering every last detail." (Conveniences such as appropriately colored candles at the quarters, for example.) :) " No real disagreement from me, it's about placing intent. If it works for you, hey? Just so we all understand there is no power in the smudge stick or candle. And I don't need Buddhist's robes or holy books to facilitate a transition. Not that I didn't try. Once. It spooks the person who is transitioning, unless they were raised as a Tibetan Buddhist. Just not all that many in Buffalo, hey? So what do I do to place intent on my client's transition? Um, I needed his name, and I asked for a photo, if available. The photo wasn't really necessary for me but it gives the family a sense of ease. There are certain expectations with people who ask for a service. Nothing wrong with that. When I show up to play a jazz gig I don't dress like Tina Turner. When I accept transition work I don't comport myself like a stumblebum. The actual work part of the work started before all the agreements were completed, if that makes any sense. I knew when he was passing out of his body but I was also several thousand miles away and it was my bedtime. As I work outside of linear time I knew I could start in the morning, no big deal. I had an ident. Check. I found him, check. And then we started his journey together. In 3D terms I started my journey from County Clare to County Roscommon. It's quite a drive. I'm actually doing two things at the same time. As above, as below. Celine and I stop for a bite to eat and I share a very humorous tale of a partnered retrieval. Here our transitioning gentleman is all part of the conversation until he gets all distracted by the church across the street. Which means I'm simultaneously laughing with Celine about how I found (in a retrieval) a woman who was a prostitute and gets big laughs teasing a very uptight man in 3D — as I also join the transitioning gentleman in The Lord's Prayer. It's happening at the same time. It all strikes me as very funny, and the humor at the table is all that is required. The transitioning gentleman "got it". HaHa, only serious. The change in the mood is palpable at this point and now we are nearing our safe haven in County Roscommon. It is a magnificent new cottage on tens of acres of field and unblemished forest. There are peat bogs to the east, and the old cottage not far from the old, old cottage. The old, old cottage is a one room affair (roof long gone) and was probably home to ten people and a sheep or two for warmth. The old cottage got it's first electric line only ten years go. For the gentleman transitioner, we safely reached his arrival point in the afterlife territories. It took quite a while, but hey, he wanted to sightsee, he had a lot of baggage and good-byes and you know, everything else because humans are like that. I took care to insure he didn't take any detours he didn't intend to. It's no big deal other than it took me longer than usual and had a few more 3D plot twists than usual. Some who transition from the physical are old hands. Some appreciate a helping hand. |
Title: Re: Things I learned about retrievals &c. Post by Justin on Mar 29th, 2017 at 11:03pm
Regarding Tibetan Buddhism and monks, some related thoughts: While I think all codified belief systems contain at least some distortion and stuckness, there are a couple of reasons why I think that some Tibetan Buddhist monks and beliefs are unusually high vibratory.
Had a dream one time where for some reason, I was connecting ancient Egypt with Tibet. I remember then viewing a part of Tibet that was unusual. It was physical, but it was so fast vibratory that it was almost bordering what we would perceive/call "nonphysical". Everything there seemed and felt "lighter" in nature. Like all of my dreams, none of this came from any beliefs, but was guidance from either my Expanded self collective and/or Expanded guidance. Then also this relates: I've looked a fair amount into how different conspicuousness states relate to different physical/body signatures such as brainwaves. Many people had been hooked up to EEG and the like, from meditators, to Yogi's, folks with seizures, regular folks, etc over the decades Up until recent times, researchers believed there was only these main states: beta, alpha, theta and delta from what they had observed in a wide spectrum of people. That was until they hooked up some very practiced, long time meditating Tibetan Buddhist monks, and asked them to focus on loving-kindness/compassion type ideas/concepts/feelings. Very unusual and never before observed brain wave states were observed. Brain waves MUCH faster cyclical than beta, and at the same time with very deep/slow delta states were observed simultaneously. More over, in the areas of the brain with the "hyper gamma" and very fast states, the neurons were firing in a very synchronized manner. Any single part of it was unusual in and of itself, but taken all together especially, very unusual. The combo of the above dream and the above research, has made me a little more open minded in a positive way, towards that culture and belief system. Not to say I have any interest in becoming a Tibetan Buddhist, but sometimes there is more than meets the eye and one shouldn't always judge a book by it's cover (wow, two platitudes in one sentence :D ). I have a teacher--the same one that Monroe met when he asked to meet the most mature human alive. He is not, nor has he ever been specifically a "Tibetan Buddhist", hence it's not like one needs to be one to experience the above trends. |
Title: Re: Things I learned about retrievals &c. Post by Morrighan on Mar 30th, 2017 at 10:19am
What I observe in my own experiences are individuals who achieve very high vibratory states in India/Tibet/Wherever typically fare very poorly (vibrationally speaking) in New York/Los Angeles/Paris. It's one thing to get really spiritually juiced up in places that peddle it. It's another thing to sustain that high vibratory rate back here where life is more complex than spinning prayer wheels and churning yak butter. (Pssst .... this is true on the inner planes — we never left, hey?)
My experience is an individual's bounce rate is artificially boosted in certain environments. Outside that support structure, the individual's bounce rate settles to its natural resonance. This is why (my experience) someone can go to a very high vibratory function such as a spiritual retreat, and soon thereafter find they are their Same Old Self Again. I see this often among "spiritual" people I meet. There is a "high" in achieving a high vibratory rate that wears off. For some it becomes an addiction. Naturally there is good money to be made by a certain set of people who provide the "hit" — whether it is an afternoon Satsang or a Christian tent revival. A "healing" that works on stage is real enough at the moment, and then wears off. Round and round we go, another fix is always available from the spiritual candyman. |
Title: Re: Things I learned about retrievals &c. Post by 2bets on Mar 30th, 2017 at 12:04pm
So with that in mind, M.,
I assume that to boost or pull someone over the veils, one has to be in a higher state? Does the old old cottage serve to increase your day-to-day vibrations? I could make a long list of situations that I've accepted as being distractions, but you've said we just need to reclaim our true powers, right? And yet on one hand you have your old old cottage, but on the other you have even done these transitions at the dinner table? So even as picturesque as it seems, what is it that the old old cottage provides you? I appreciate your discussion and do not mean my questions to sound like challenges. I'm just trying to understand. 2bets |
Title: Re: Things I learned about retrievals &c. Post by Morrighan on Mar 30th, 2017 at 2:07pm
My personal view is retrievers and others "in the field" are no different than anyone engaged in any pursuit. One does what one does because one is suited to it. If one isn't aligned with, say, medicine, why go to med school or nursing school? Some of course do it for the money / because there is work in the field. So, who knows what draws someone to a line of work? Pretty individual. Seems to me if you can do the job, you're hired. Especially if you work for free LOL Not exactly a big calling.
That I did this particular job in Ireland is coincidental to what else I was doing in Ireland (not a vacation!). I have my own things to do too. On this most recent visit with my friends in Co Roscommon I noticed the old cottage, did not go near the old, old cottage, and added these bits for story color. As I said, most of the work is pretty boring. I do most of my work at my desk in my home. Sometimes I do it over coffee and have been observed working in a creperie. I recommend the galette with brie, leek, egg and ham! The traditional crêpe with lemon and sugar is very fine too :D Last I was in the old cottages was in '14. I did not enter the old, old cottage as it is structurally unsound. The day after the journey I traveled to a pub near a monastery ruin for an evening of James Joyce and a Guinness, as is proper. |
Title: Re: Things I learned about retrievals &c. Post by Justin on Mar 30th, 2017 at 5:44pm
While I think you made some good points in reply 20, Morrighan, that last paragraph is a little too cynical for this self to broadly brush others with. Does it apply sometimes, yes, but not always.
For example, I have a hard time picturing the Dali Lama as candyman pusher. I've long thought of people in relation to colors (or vice versa?), and with the Dali Lama, I get a lot of violet/purple, deep but bright blue, and golden light. Not the White Light of pure truth, pure Love, pure awareness/perception, and complete lack of human like ego or any selfishness/separative tendencies, but still unusually fast vibratory. And I'd reckon he's probably been through some heavier stuff than most of us have been. Having to leave your country and seeing your people gunned down, imprisoned, etc might not be so easy to go through... Btw, this may seem out of left field some, but I was wondering if you were familiar with Robert Bruce? More so, was wondering if you knew him on a personal level? Just something that popped into my head for some reason. |
Title: Re: Things I learned about retrievals &c. Post by Morrighan on Mar 30th, 2017 at 6:09pm
One way I look at it is a "frequency injection". A high frequency being can provide the hit of vibrational smack.
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Title: Re: Things I learned about retrievals &c. Post by Justin on Mar 30th, 2017 at 6:11pm
Guess you didn't see my question?
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Title: Re: Things I learned about retrievals &c. Post by Morrighan on Mar 30th, 2017 at 6:15pm
Oh yes, sorry, am working on multiple things at the moment. I travel a considerable distance Friday (two time zones). Yes I know of Robert Bruce, not paid any mind to him in many years.
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Title: Re: Things I learned about retrievals &c. Post by Justin on Mar 30th, 2017 at 6:30pm
Thank you for answering. No previous personal connection?
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Title: Re: Things I learned about retrievals &c. Post by Morrighan on Mar 30th, 2017 at 6:41pm
None in my conscious awareness. No books, no audios, no videos come to mind. Aware of, but not connected.
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Title: Re: Things I learned about retrievals &c. Post by Justin on Mar 30th, 2017 at 7:55pm
Ok, not sure why that popped into my awareness. Thanks again.
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Title: Re: Things I learned about retrievals &c. Post by Morrighan on Apr 1st, 2017 at 2:35pm
To all : Currently engaged in deep work and unavailable / unresponsive until complete. Will advise.
With you. Morrighan |
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