How are we going to keep ourselves busy in heaven/afterlife?

It would become mindbogglingly boring after just a trillion years.  :(  :'( :o

Even God would become fed up with us and we with him?

Your Comments?

Alan McDougall wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2017 at 7:56am:

How are we going to keep ourselves busy in heaven/afterlife? It would become mindbogglingly boring after just a trillion years.  :(  :'( :o

Alan,

Your point here is exactly why I call my physical lifetime a "vacation from eternity."  So, my simple answer is, just incarnate physically again as it is seldom boring here.

Bruce

Bruce Moen wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2017 at 10:19am:

Alan McDougall wrote on Mar 23rd, 2017 at 7:56am: How are we going to keep ourselves busy in heaven/afterlife? It would become mindbogglingly boring after just a trillion years.  :(  :'( :o Alan, Your point here is exactly why I call my physical lifetime a "vacation from eternity."  So, my simple answer is, just incarnate physically again as it is seldom boring here. Bruce

Hi Bruce  :) while you might be right, you must know that incarnating cannot go on forever or give one true immortality.

Our planets age when compared to our very short human life span is unimaginably long, but not eternal. Our earth had a beginning and it will have an end.

Scientists tell us that our sun will slowly continue to expand over billions of years until it become a red giant star and both swallows and burns our earth turns into plasma and destroying our world in the process.

Maybe our physical descendants will by then have developed a civilization so far in advanced of our present one that they would have colonized the entire universe.

Even then our universe is not eternal, it had a beginning in the big bang and it will end in the heat death of maximum entropy or infinite entropy.

Even if we incarnate a trillion, trillion, trillion times, we will still reach a point in time, when no further incarnation would be possible.Simply because all the energy of the universe would have dissipated into maximum entropy and  become a cold dark absolute vacuum, devoid of energy at absolute zero.

Not very friendly to physical life.

I see the afterlife as a non-physical places/dimensions or realms, in which it is up to us to learn and advance through enumerable realms to finally merge with the divine mind of God.

Creation becoming "At- One" with its creator.

Alan

Perhaps there is a state of being that feels so complete, that boredom isn't a factor.

I've noticed that when I grasp for fulfillment in outer ways I never feel truly complete. The only time I feel complete and as if I don't need anything else is when I experience divine love and peace.

Since I am currently incarnated in a body, the extent to which I can experience the  divine love and peace I speak of is limited. The energy level would be too much for my body.  Therefore, there is even more spirit-based fulfillment available than I am able to experience while in this world.

I don't mean that beings that have returned to Source don't use their creative aspect of being at all. Since I am not there, I can't say for certain what they do. Perhaps they create beautiful things to experience that are beyond what can be created in a physical universe. They wouldn't do so because they need to in order to feel more complete--just an option. I know that when I experience divine love and its peace and bliss, it doesn't matter if I see something. In such a state of being beautiful things to perceive are like colored speckles on a delicious chocolate cake. They are nice to look at, but do you need them?

Beauty doesn't come from the thing perceived, it comes from the being that did the creating. Perceiving beauty wouldn't matter if it wasn't accompanied by a feeling. That which is felt exists before something is created that can be  perceived.

This might sound somewhat contrary, but love is more than a feeling. Love has great meaning. Imagine a state of being where all souls have returned to God, Source, whatever name you use. Every conscious being that exists is now completely happy, wise and safe. If one is concerned about the welfare of all others, it would be really joyful to know that every conscious being is doing very well. Or in other words, it isn't a matter of feeling the bliss of love in a manner that is mindless.

Perhaps one of the main reasons we go through what we go through is so love can be completely fulfilled. For example,  how could we fully understand what it means to care for others if we didn't understand about negative possibilities?

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Hi Bruce  :) while you might be right, you must know that incarnating cannot go on forever or give one true immortality.

Alan,

Did someone say incarnating forever was the only other choice?  I didn't.  There are many other choices available to us humans than just heaven or physical incarnation.

As for "true immortality" I don't see that as something that we can be given.  As I see it, we are already, inescapably, immortal beings.  It comes down to what we define as a "Being."

For now, I'm on vacation from eternity, and I know my vacation is coming to an end sooner rather that later.

Bruce

I also see many possibilities for us than just physical incarnation or "Heaven".  I'm sure there are many ways in which we can be helpers on the other side for those on the other side, as well as be helpers for those here.

I think it would take a really, really long time for me to get bored over there.  Here, though, in this life, yes there's boredom but that's due to my limitations:  Lack of the kind of money I need to do the kinds of things I would really like to do/see/experience.  Lack of being able to find a life partner/lover for some reason that I now believe must have something to do with soul lessons, i.e. "karma".  And other things my life lacks, that I strive to overcome. 

Other than that, you sure are right Bruce, this physical life has enough "surprises" to keep us on our toes that it isn't technically what I'd call boring  ::)

Regarding "soul lessons" I would hope that each and every one of us receives extra credit for this go round. Major bonus points. Everyone I know deserves it.

Something points me to the phrase: blessed those who believe without seeing. When such a one sees, they are doubly blessed.

It's just that we need to pay attention to nature around us. Life doesn't busy itself wondering why it is doing what it is doing. It is just fascinated by the light, nourished by it, regarding it in endless contemplation. That is the very definition of joy. As we move into the light, we will discover for ourselves how wonderful it really is.

   I've communicated with individuals whom are fully conscious of their Oneness with the original Creator and with the Whole.  I've asked about what they do, etc. 

  I've been told that it's very rare for any of them to incarnate into physical reality. Occasionally they project themselves into it temporarily to interact briefly, but it's very rare for them to directly connect to a dense animal body of some kind for a lifetime. 

There is usually no need to and there is definitely risk involved (the risk of enacting karma and getting stuck themselves). They have no innate attraction to do so.  There have been some cases where some have done this--such as Yeshua's Spirit.  So what do they do instead?   Some of them partake in co-creating new Disks and realities.  Some of them are a bit more passive and are more involved in guidance in this and/other of their sibling's Co-Creations. 

  The individuals whom over see "Life reviews" are these very same completed individuals. 

There is probably more than this, but these are what I could perceive more clearly.  Probably I have no reference base for perceiving/translating a good amount of it. 

   So I agree with Albert, when we reach our ultimate fulfillment (fully conscious Oneness with Source and the Whole), chances are, we won't have much interest in incarnating into physical reality.

  My understanding is that Yeshua's Spirit became re-involved in a direct way, not because he was looking for a vacation, but because he saw a need and to help others.  Since this Universe is his Spirit's particular Co-Creation, and many of us are his children, he felt responsible to help nudge the consciousness growth system in the right directions--both for humans and perhaps for some other groups too. 

  On Earth, things got particularly crazy/imbalanced in Atlantis, and more than a few times. Due in large part to  certain outer variables and forces, such as a negative ET group and the anti-retriever, humans in particular have had a really hard time of getting unstuck and back on track of steady, consistent, increasing growth. 

  Good news is that it looks like we have a good shot of finally getting this mess cleaned up for awhile. There are an unusual amount of helper/guide/retrieval Souls incarnated here in this present cycle and in the near future.  It is primarily because of their collective efforts, that things are starting to get back on track here. A lot of hard work, sacrifice, and blood, sweat, and tears, both literally and figuratively.  (and tell all those truth speakers whom have been imprisoned, litigated, tortured, harassed, and/or assassinated that they came here just for a vacation from a boring nonphysical. What a belief.)

 

Up-front disclaimer: The word, and concept of "heaven" carries too much baggage for me to use it in any context beyond this disclaimer.

In my experience, we never left.

A brief, illustrative tale:

I worked recently with a 7D person and learned she is what might be called (in 3D terms) a senior professor of graduate studies in human embodiment. She teaches her students "there" while simultaneously being "here" (in embodiment). Her present embodiment and her experiences "here" are the course material.

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In my experience, we never left.

  Technically true, especially since space doesn't objectively exist.  Yet, it seems that many Souls have come to really strongly believe that they are not what they truly are. A number have completely forgotten what and who they truly are.  Many deeply suffer because of this forgetfulness and disconnect from reality.

Strange huh?  How did it come about? 

   Some years ago, we did a group exploration type exercise here. One of the people involved, a former member, got a message about me.  He saw like a amusement park with many different, bright colors and activity. He was then told, "Justin isn't interested in color anymore". 

   He misinterpreted the message's meaning, but he saw/heard truly. 

  A percentage of Disks and Souls became involved in a game of distractions from reality. Children being children.  But, children are meant to grow up eventually and become about their Parent's business; to partake in same. Notice how in some families with a number of children/siblings, that some are for whatever reason, are either born more mature or decide to grow up faster than others, while some seem to never quite grow up/mature. A parable of sorts. 

   As to color and lack of interest, White Light is both the absence of all color and the perfect balance/integration of all colors.  A paradox of sorts. But since the White Light was the original reality, all is judged in relation to same.  Hence, logically, it's more the absence of color. 

   Souls in human form that truly have realized that they never left "Heaven", by virtue of their awareness and attunement, have certain abilities of mind over matter in this focus. Individuals like the deathless, ageless, sleepless, non eating, etc He/She. Or Yeshua walking on water, calming storms, healing seeming unhealable conditions, turning water into wine, etc. 

    Since it seems you have transcended the illusion of it all, perhaps you could materialize yourself physically in front of all us forum members, and maybe give us a high five, at some point? You can think of it as a prank of sorts..

Can't speak for others here, but I'd certainly pay you handsomely for such a service. And I would become a definite believer in the wisdom of Morrighan.

    Do we have a deal?   

   

It is unimportant that she show herself in that way. I know who I am. I love that she has made mention of what matters. There are specific markers of what has occurred in the past. They are the foundation. She has proven to me that she is in touch with those things.

   The 2nd half of my last post on this thread http://afterlife-knowledge.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?num=1488239856/15#15 might relate. 

   And to add to that previous post, the Reptilians as an entire species are far more gifted in psychism than the huge majority of humans. What does that signify?  Nothing of worth. 

  Ok, so indirectness/subtly can be a little lost on me sometimes--partly because of my slight imbalance/polarization to the Yang--due partly to this male physical body and it's innate personality type/tendencies (Leo Rising, grr and roar baby).  Probably part of the reason why so many women complain about men and how we don't listen...  It's not that we don't try, but we're wired differently on average.

  I think I've got the message now.  The great I AM has appeared before us before in all their glory. This is something I sensed from the get go. Tori Amos might say, "God, sometimes you just don't come through.  Do you need a He/She to comfort you?" 

  Strangely, the true value of internet forums is the nature of spontaneous, personal interaction.  It's messy, it often contains some conflict or at least friction.

That's the ugly beauty of it.  It's that interaction that matters more than anything else. It's a focused microcosm of the life/human process.  In the interaction, as messy as it can be, awareness can be sparked and balance can be achieved if one keeps one mind and heart open. In any case, karma can be worked out through the messy, spontaneous interaction.

    Yet, outer Saturnian authority/structure cares far more about control and rules. Like a government, such attunement says, "We must have order darnit!. What will people think of us?" Fear based.  Maybe Saturn, Pluto, and Mars in the 10th, in the sign of Leo of all things! needs to be toned down some?  What do I know, I have Saturn in Virgo in the 2nd, square Neptune, closely sextile Uranus, widely/weakly conjunct Moon, and exactly square the Galactic Center, and it's the traditional ruler of my Sun, Mercury, and Venus signs.  And my 10th is Venus ruled, with Venus very highlighted, then placed in the impartial, truly live and let live but may debate you a bit, sign of Aquarius. 

  (this post may appear very strange to some, but believe me, it makes total sense if it's decoded well).