Hi Bruce,

I still have the receipt from buying your first book "Voyages Into the Unknown" at Barnes and Noble--I'd always kept it in the book for some reason, and now I've had it so long I don't want to throw it out.  But because of it I can see that I bought the book in September 1998, a birthday present to myself.  I remember loving the cover and how fascinating the book sounded.  I bought it probably mostly because you mentioned having been to The Monroe Institute.  I'd read Robert Monroe's books when I was a teenager. 

It made me think to ask you this--and I know we've known each other so many years that I don't know why I don't know this or if I just have forgotten--but did you intend from the beginning that your books would be a series?  Was it always planned that way or did it just come about that way after you began writing?

And refresh my memory please, what year did you first attend TMI, and which programs there have you taken?

After buying your first book in 1998 I started it and then thought it was a bunch of hooey, and stuck it on the bookshelf, not picking it up again for another 6 years, then after I remember wanting to slap myself for not having read the whole thing back when I got it.  I guess I wasn't ready for it then.  I'm sure glad I finally got around to it.  And so glad I got to meet you and become friends.  You changed my life and it set me on a course, and every day I'm grateful for it.

So, I'm thinking about all this tonight because I needed to find a new book start reading, and I just felt like reading your series all over again. 

I'm so grateful to you Bruce  :-*

Vicky

  I really enjoyed reading all of Bruce's books. I believe that guidance led me to them. While I had some familiarity with Bob Monroe at the time, I wasn't really familiar with thinking about other lives in the sense of the Disk/larger Spirit, collective self concept. 

  When I read that, it really struck an instant chord on a deep level. I started deeply pondering it after reading one of Bruce's books. 

   I had two experiences soon after which seemed to confirm same.  I had a dream where I was in a class that Bruce was teaching.  His face temporarily morphed into Bob Monroe's, then back again to his own face. The message was symbolically saying that Bruce had a very strong connection to Bob (and vice versa), but yet was himself independently.

Another experience was I got a psychic reading with a lady I felt drawn to and vice versa. She had become obsessed with Edgar Cayce at a very young age--read one of the biographies about him when she was like 10.  She was the first and only psychic I ever asked, "Am I the reincarnation of so and so?"   Her reply was very interesting and made me think of this "new" (to me) concept of the larger, collective Disk self.  She said, "Yes, but not in the way that you have been thinking of it."   I use to think and believe in only literal, direct reincarnation. 
(I had other messages which confirmed that said individual was a Disk member and that I wasn't literally the direct reincarnation of this person.)   

    Anyways, I'm grateful to Bruce in both a personal and impersonal sense for his work/service here.  I'd just maybe add, while it's great to love and appreciate people, it's important to not put people too much on any kind of pedestal though.  I use to do this with Bruce some.  Besides being limiting to self, it can be an awkward and uncomfortable place to be for the other person. 

   One of the last messages that I received that had something to do with Bruce, was a dream where Bruce and I were at a large party/function of like minded people. He looked intently at me and said, "Go find John, he is more intune than myself."  I eventually found the John that my guidance was referring to, and going by my experience/interaction and further messages, he is indeed more aware and intune than even Bruce. John is very dedicated to the Light, growing in PUL type love, and the spiritual transformation of this world.

  Ultimately though, I believe all helper souls like Bruce, John, etc are all part of a bigger family.   

Vicky wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2017 at 7:17pm:

Hi Bruce, . . . did you intend from the beginning that your books would be a series?  And refresh my memory please, what year did you first attend TMI, and which programs there have you taken?

Vicky,

Originally I intended to write only one book, which would have been my first two books published as a single volume.  The publisher said selling 600 page books was not a reasonable approach.  The third and fourth books were written as a result of continuing explorations and the revelation of the full circle story.  The fifth, the Guidebook, was my attempt to make it easy and inexpensive for anyone to learn to explore on their own.

I think my first TMI program, Gateway Voyage, was in 1991 or 92.  Later came Lifeline, Exploration 27, Beyond Exploration 27, and Starlines.  The last program I attended at TMI was before my stroke in 2003.  I wanted to take a few specific programs after that but was never able to afford them as prices climbed.

Bruce

I also believe that my guidance lead me to Bruce's books.  Back when I was first reading Bruce's books I was meditating one day and I wondered about what a good source of information is, and I was shown Bruce's face. I don't mean to suggest that Bruce is all that  :), (I'm not all that) but at the time it was good to consider what he says. (Please see the humor in "all that" I have nothing but love-based feelings for Bruce).

One day I was meditating, during the early days of being on this forum, I saw the forum in some way (I don't remember how precisely), and I felt a wave of PUL  come my way, and I think I saw-oh, oh-should I say it-saw white light.

By the way, every time I've seen white light it had a special nice feeling. I don't believe it was faked by deceptive beings.

Bruce, thank you for writing your books and providing this site.

Justin mentioned finding out about Disks through Bruce's books.

I read Robert Monroe's Ultimate Journey before I read Bruce's books, this was the first time I heard of the I-there (Disk) viewpoint, and it really resonated with me. Shortly afterwards I received confirmations of such viewpoint.

For a number of years I didn't think about it a lot, did a couple of months ago, and was shown another confirmation. When I make contact with such group, I don't do as Bruce, as when he made contact with Coach etc. For me, names aren't provided.

Thanks for your reply Bruce :)

Albert and Justin, that's what I want to focus on for exploring next...I don't have that much experience with Disks and I-There but the concept definitely resonates with me, and especially what Justin said about reincarnation not being the way we think it is.  I have always believed that too. 

That concept of reincarnation and "past lives" is one I would like to explore more.  I've only ever had two spontaneous experiences regarding this concept...and I really do believe the purpose of them was for me to become aware that these were past lives.  And in both of them I can quite plainly see that the theme and conflict in how I lived and died in them are carried over into this current life. 

I've been dealing with a lot of stress and changes in my life for several months now and really just wanting to get back to my "baseline", lose all the stress and worry, and feel guided and connected again.  So that's why I thought re-reading Bruce's books would spark that specialiness again.  Life is just too boring when you haven't had much spiritual or paranormal stuff going on in your life lately  ::)

Vicky:

I can't say with absolute certainty how reincarnation works. Going by the info I received, it seems as if it works in a Disk way. Each probe is a different being, and therefore no one unit has to incarnate more than once. There might be exceptions.

What NDErs PMH Atwater, Ron Kreuger,  and Tom Sawyer say seem to support my viewpoint. PHM says she is just one finger of the totality of her soul.  Ron Kreuger wrote of meeting his disk (he didn't use that term) and he met his previous incarnations.

Going by what Robert Monroe wrote in Ultimate Journey, he was an extension of his disk.

Jeraldine Cummins received information from Frederick Myers after he passed away, and Frederick said that we are a part of soul groups, and past life memories come from soul group members that shared information with us. I
copy and pasted the below from another conversation that took place on this forum.

GROUP-SOUL, a philosophical concept, expounded by the discarnate F. W. H. Myers in The Road to Immortality, of a number of souls, all bound together by one spirit, acting and reacting upon one another in the ascending scale of psychic evolution.  There may be contained within that spirit twenty, a hundred, a thousand souls.  "The number varies.  It is different for each man.  But what the Buddhists would call the karma I had brought with me from a previous life is, very frequently, not that of my life, but of the life of a soul that preceded me by many years on earth and left for me the pattern which made my life.  I, too, wove a pattern for another of my group during my earthly career. . . .  I shall not live again on earth, but a new soul, one who will join our group, will shortly enter into the pattern or karma I have woven for him on earth. . . .  Here, in the After-death, we become more and more aware of this group-soul as we make progress.  Eventually we enter into it and share the experiences of our brethren. . .  Its spirit feeds, with life and mental light, certain plants, trees, flowers, birds, insects, fish, beasts, men and women; representatives of living creatures in varying stages of evolution.  It inspires souls who are on various planes, various levels of consciousness in the After-death.  It feeds also creatures on other planets.  For the spirit must gather a harvest of experience in every form."

http://afterlife-knowledge.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?num=1282475403/0

I'd like to add that I once had an experience where I felt what it is like to be a being that has numerous incarnations taking place all at the same time.

Recoverer 2 wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2017 at 1:48pm:

I'd like to add that I once had an experience where I felt what it is like to be a being that has numerous incarnations taking place all at the same time.

That's something I'd like to hear and talk about.  Do you mind sharing it?

Later, I have to go do something now.


Vicky wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2017 at 1:57pm:

Recoverer 2 wrote on Mar 23rd, 2017 at 1:48pm: I'd like to add that I once had an experience where I felt what it is like to be a being that has numerous incarnations taking place all at the same time. That's something I'd like to hear and talk about.  Do you mind sharing it?

I have the time now.

One night I was laying in bed and felt concerned about being a being who is aware of more than one self at a time, because I thought it might be difficult.

Suddenly I found myself like in space (not physical), and I experienced myself as an Oversoul like being that is aware of numerous selves at the same time. It wasn't difficult to be aware in such a way because I was large spacious being and my selves fit into my being quite easily. I felt like this large spirit being, yet I was still me. :) It felt cool.

I can't say that I experienced this to the same extent an oversoul would experience. I figure that my oversoul, disk, higher self, whatever, was aware of what I thought, so it enabled me to experience as I did.

I need to add to the below, that going by the information I received, incarnating selves continue to exist after they rejoin their disk/oversoul.





Recoverer 2 wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2017 at 2:55pm:

I have the time now. One night I was laying in bed and felt concerned about being a being who is aware of more than one self at a time, because I thought it might be difficult. Suddenly I found myself like in space (not physical), and I experienced myself as an Oversoul like being that is aware of numerous selves at the same time. It wasn't difficult to be aware in such a way because I was large spacious being and my selves fit into my being quite easily. I felt like this large spirit being, yet I was still me. :) It felt cool. I can't say that I experienced this to the same extent an oversoul would experience. I figure that my oversoul, disk, higher self, whatever, was aware of what I thought, so it enabled me to experience as I did.

   While I think the Disk/many projected probes kind of reincarnation is the most common, I've also found that direct/literal reincarnation happens. 

   My spouse one time had a very interesting dream where she was talking to a guide like figure and the individual told her our "spiritual names".

  She said mine sounded like a Russian version of William.  I looked up various different versions of William in Russian sometime later.  One stood out to me more than all the others. 

  It was something like Vasya.  I told an intuitive Scandinavian friend of mine about it, and she pointed out that in Russian, V's are pronounced like W's, and that to her, it sounded like the dream was saying "Was Ra".  Various different inner and outer experiences and guidance messages have correlated with this info.   

    So yes, it seems sometimes direct, literal reincarnation happens. In this case, it only took about 13, 000 Earth years to get the feet back in the fire. I can also say with certainty, I didn't come here out of a desire for a vacation, but for retrieval reasons primarily. 

Recoverer 2 wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2017 at 2:55pm:

It wasn't difficult to be aware in such a way because I was large spacious being and my selves fit into my being quite easily. I felt like this large spirit being, yet I was still me.

Cool  Sounds like you had a split awareness, being aware in more than one aspect at a time.  I've had a few of those, but it's been awhile, but I remember what it felt like, like this ability to have this expanded awareness from a totally different aspect than myself, yet at the same time I was still perceiving as myself. 

wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2017 at 9:10pm:

While I think the Disk/many projected probes kind of reincarnation is the most common, I've also found that direct/literal reincarnation happens.

I can accept that both are possible. 

Even though limiting in itself, having experiences that define my beliefs are wonderful experiences.  And I rarely question them, you know?  I just love the feeling of accepting that that's what I believe.  It's those "weird" other off the wall kind of experiences that leave me scratching my head, making me feel even more confused, that I am not so fond of, ha ha.  I mean, I like being open-minded, but I don't like still being left feeling like I have no clue what to think about that.  Sometimes no matter how much I ask my Guidance to please show me/explain to me something, I get nothing.   :o  And then it leaves me wondering what I'm doing to block my perception. 

Guess I need to work on unblocking some beliefs about that??  ;)

    I don't think it's all about beliefs necessarily.  Some of it is just the nature of the body we connect with and the collective focus level we are focusing in. 

  Both have an innately limiting affect on our perceptual capacity. 

  I don't know how true it is or not, but one of Bruce's professional psychic friends told me that in the future--about 10 years from the time of the reading (which was a few years or so ago), I would be completely wide open--full telepathy, the whole 9 yards. 

   I've wondered how that is even possible, especially considering that now my awareness is fairly limited. 

  I had a very recent dream which spoke to the issue it seems.  In the dream, I became aware (and in a surprised manner) that my body had certain deliberate mutations that would get activated later when the time was right. 

Going by various experiences and messages having to do with ET's, my very strong sense is that these mutations are due to ET influence.  Many years ago, about a couple years before my Mom passed, I had an interesting dream about telepathically communicating with an ET group and decided to tell her about it. 

  She looked very intently at me after I told her and she started to tell me some of her experiences in relation to ET's/UFO's herself.  Before she had me, she had had miscarriage after miscarriage because of a childhood illness.  Doctors had told her she would never successfully have children.   

  Around the time she became pregnant with me, she had a very vivid dream about being on a space ship with some non human beings that felt very familiar to her, whom she felt love to and felt love back from.  They were working on her body for some reason and also comforted her about the future.  They told her that she could communicate with them any time, she just had to focus/concentrate on them.   Don't know if it means anything, but I ended up being born on her birthday. 

  Anyways, because of things like the above, I've strongly wondered if an ET group has altered this body vehicle in some ways?  I've also been told that eating "Mummy Food" was important for me to do, and obviously I've been told it's important that I meditate a certain amount.   

  But yes, beliefs do play a big part as well.  But it's not the whole enchilada.  These human bodies are something else to deal with!   :D

wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2017 at 9:55pm:

Around the time she became pregnant with me, she had a very vivid dream about being on a space ship with some non human beings that felt very familiar to her, whom she felt love to and felt love back from.  They were working on her body for some reason and also comforted her about the future.  They told her that she could communicate with them any time, she just had to focus/concentrate on them.   Don't know if it means anything, but I ended up being born on her birthday.

Serious question here, I mean no disrespect, but does your mom know who your father is/was?  I met a woman several months ago who told of a similar story.  She believes she has alien DNA.  And since then I've heard of other people say the same thing.  Up until then I'd never heard of this kind of stuff.

   She didn't go into that specifically--I assume my bio dad whom was married to her at the time, was involved. 

  My last life here on Earth, some 13, 000 years ago, the mother I had then, didn't have sex with a human man when she became pregnant with me. 

   It's in the Edgar Cayce readings, and his guidance said that the "Gods" whom were hanging out in the Caucasus mountains were involved in Ra Ta's conception. 

  Rosalind McKnight was told by her guidance that more ET Souls, from outside of this local system, would start incarnating in the Earth, starting around the 50's or so. Her guidance said that it would be primarily these that would be communicating with ET's. 

   According to what I've received, it's primarily these just previous/prior ET Souls that are having their human bodies adjusted, or adjusted the most. There are millions of us here currently. Most are coming from positive, spiritually evolved groups. A minority percentage is not.

  I've met a few of us here and there in person. We tend to have rather intense, deep, piercing yet gentle/kind eyes.  Sometimes unusual color and shades as well. 

The other kind, the minority percentage, tend to be psychopathic. 

 

Regarding reincarnation sometimes happening in the regular way, one night I finished doing a retrieval in the way I do them, and I heard a voice ask, "how do you know how to do them?" Then I had like an inbetween state experience and I was told that I did retrievals this way during a past life. The funny thing about this is that I knew what would be said before I heard the words. This caused me to wonder if my mind created this experience, but I believe the knowing of what would be said came before I heard the words.

It could be that I received information in this way because  sometimes I can be stubborn about accepting my knowings, my intuition. It could be that Robert Monroe and Bruce Moen was/is better at accepting rotes of information than I.

After this experience I heard a very pleasant lady voice say   "we're very proud of you." Overall, the impression I got was that I was told that I helped with retrievals during a past life that existed in a linear way.

Regarding receiving answers from guidance, I hardly ever ask them questions, because they don't tend to answer.  I believe this is because they believe I should figure some things out myself, trust my intuition and knowings, and what has already been explained.

On the other hand information is passed on to me during dreams, and while meditating, sometimes my guidance will provide a perspective to help me see what is limiting me.

Earlier on this thread I said that I fairly recently asked for a confirmation about the disk thing, I received a response, so sometimes I receive answers.

Regarding having weird experiences, yes I've had some of those, I figure I'll wait until my life review to figure out what they are about.

Recoverer 2 wrote on Mar 24^th, 2017 at 11:37am:

The funny thing about this is that I knew what would be said before I heard the words. This caused me to wonder if my mind created this experience, but I believe the knowing of what would be said came before I heard the words.

I have been studying this kind of thing--the way we perceive and receive information psychically--for many years now.  Although it's harder for me to discern how others perceive, obviously, I do think we're all inherently the same and have the same capabilities.  It's more just a matter of semantics if anything.  But what you're describing how you knew what was going to be said before you heard it...that's common in my opinion.  There's a reason for that. 

When information comes in on a psychic level (and this has nothing to do with "being a psychic"...I just mean subconscious level or higher self awareness level) there are many layered effects.  I think it takes time and experience to learn how to decipher one layer from another.  We have basically all the same nonphysical senses as we do physical, except when they come to us all in one clump it's a bit difficult to tell what's what or what came first.  As opposed to our physical senses...where it's easy to tell that we're experiencing sight, or smell, or physical feelings, or emotional feelings, etc.

The short version of that is, in my experience when psychic information comes, it typically comes in knowing/feeling first, then pictures, then words.  Sometimes we only get one of these components.  Sometimes we get all of them so close together it feels all at once.  Does that make sense?  So in my experience, you having the knowing before the words is typical. 


Recoverer 2 wrote on Mar 24^th, 2017 at 11:37am:

It could be that I received information in this way because  sometimes I can be stubborn about accepting my knowings, my intuition. It could be that Robert Monroe and Bruce Moen was/is better at accepting rotes of information than I.

I think I am the same way.  Sometimes I need that extra bit.  I also think it happens this way because if you really pay attention to how your thought and feeling reactions work, you may notice that even for a tiny split second you had some doubt.  Even if it's just a hesitation...that tiny moment of getting out of the flow of information can divert your awareness away from continuing to receive MORE information, thus keeping you in line with the initial information track, thus what you get is simply reaffirmation of what you had already received.


Recoverer 2 wrote on Mar 24^th, 2017 at 11:37am:

Regarding receiving answers from guidance, I hardly ever ask them questions, because they don't tend to answer.  I believe this is because they believe I should figure some things out myself, trust my intuition and knowings, and what has already been explained.

I feel the same way about when I try to ask questions but feel like I'm not getting any response.  Lately I've just been telling myself that I'm either doing something to keep me from perceiving the answer, or that I'm still in need of having a learning experience. 

Vicky, thank you for your input.

Another thought, I didn't intend to have the experience where I was with a being that told me that I did  retrievals during a past life.



Recoverer 2 wrote on Mar 24^th, 2017 at 1:25pm:

Vicky, thank you for your input.

  Nice last post/points Vicky.  Very well thought out and well presented.  Thank you. 

Aw shucks, thanks  ::)

   Re: direct, literal reincarnation, my sense of the reason why it's much more rare than the new Disk mixes type, is because these human Earth lives are no walk in the park.  For Souls whom have directly experienced it, I think often after a life finishes, we are like, "Whoo, glad that's out of the way. Yeah, not doing THAT again anytime soon."   There are of course exceptions.  Some of the very immature Souls cycle in and out fairly often, because they are addicted to the stimulus and action here.  Being low on empathy, sensitivity, and high on power/control issues, human experiences don't phase them much. 

  Cayce's guidance once said something like, the longer the time spent between lives, often the more spiritually evolved the Soul.  Not as a hard and fast rule, but as a general trend/average. 

  However...just like there has been an increase of ET Souls incarnating here of late, I get the sense that there is a higher percentage of repeaters here than normal as well.

   And a percentage of the ET Souls are ones that had a human experience before they graduated out of this system, and now are coming back. In these, often Arcturus the Star is strong in a special kind of astrological chart delineation.   

  The reason for the above two trends is because Souls with such experience/background, have a higher probable potential of handling their new Earth lives better than the average, and gaining more complete control over their bucking bronco human animal bodies.  :D   Since this is such a critical time in the human history, Expanded Guidance has been sending in some of the best and brightest helpers there are.  Ones that are very strong, and very attuned to the Light within.  Things are truly critical in this cycle. There is still the potential/possibility for going either way--great and rapid collective growth, or even much worse collective stuckness and extreme suffering (this is why promotion of vacation type beliefs really bother me).   

   Plenty of even older type Souls have had trouble with one or more aspects of their bodies and Earth life.  Take Bob Monroe for example, definitely an older Soul but he didn't have a whole lot of discipline when it came to his diet or the health of his body.  His Disk self level in cahoots with his body had to basically try to force him to treat his body better, and even then he had a hard time of it. He was stubborn and didn't want to see the need for change and discipline.  Not even after "Ah So" sternly talked to him and Rosie about this issue.   

   The health/balance of the body is part of the package deal of consciousness expression here.  If the body get's too imbalanced, it creates gunk between the flow one's consciousness and the attunement and/or expression of same through the body in the physical world. 

   Attuning to one's expanded self and expanded guidance is a very holistic process that involves the physical, mental, and spiritual aspects of the human energy system.  Repeaters, especially ones coming in with both human and ET direct experience, often know this better than most from the get go. 

  For an example, most of the just previously ET Souls I've met, are towards the vegetarian, vegan, or pescatarian in diet.  Not all, but most. 

  By "ET", I don't necessarily mean experiences in running around in little grey bodies or the like.  Some of these systems and experiences are in completely mental/nonphysical levels which are not body based.  In these, your unique individuality IS your body in a sense.