In the OT, it's prophesied that Elijah would come before the coming of the Lord. 

  In the NT, some asked John the Baptist if he was Elijah, and he said no. 

  Yet later, after he was murdered, Yeshua implies that John was the OT prophetic fulfillment of Elijah coming again and before the coming of the Lord. 

   There are a few possibilities to consider.  Perhaps it was all symbolic/allegorical to begin with?  John and Elijah had certain similarities and a similar role. 

  Another possibility is that it was meant that Elijah would directly reincarnate as John the Baptist, but John not being as expanded and aware as Yeshua wasn't aware of his spiritual past and history while Yeshua was.

  But in my mind (rather intuition), what's most likely is that John and Elijah were part of the same Disk aka Spirit.  They were different/individualized, but very connected probes within the same Disk/Spirit.

   This can logically answer both John denying that he literally was Elijah reborn, and yet still fulfill what both the OT and Yeshua said about the Elijah connection. 

    I recently had to write a paper for a Western civ class, and decided to write it on John the Baptist.  Course i didn't go into all the above, but talked about possible connections between John and the Essene's, and the Essene's between the Qumran community and the Dead Sea Scrolls.

  It's interesting to note that the Qumran community and the Dead Sea Scrolls (hence also possible the Essene's in general), had a different take on the coming of the Messiah.  They, or some within the community, seemed to see it as two messiah like men and figures coming, one which would be a more priestly figure and one a more kingly figure/role. 

  It's possible that what they were seeing/intuiting was the combination of John and Yeshua.

  In my paper, i pointed out some of the unusual similarities between John and Yeshua and the main overall thesis was about the important, instrumental role that John played in the development of Christianity. At the end, i asked the question, why would someone like Yeshua need anyone to come before him and prepare the way like John did? 

After all, according to the NT this Yeshua guy could walk on water, heal virtually any affliction, disappear among crowds, etc.  What need or purpose of John? 

  I postulated that perhaps so many hearts were just so closed that they needed these two back to back teachers to more effectively impact and reach people, and they needed a stepped down octave (John) for Yeshua to initially work through to prepare people. 

  I used some NT symbolism and imagery, saying that John was like the clear Water that came first to cleanse the main dross, and then Yeshua was the purifying Fire to complete the purification and lift it all up to Source.

  While on the surface, Cayce's guidance seems to imply only literal reincarnation or direct, probe reincarnation, there are aspects of it which speak strongly against this, such as listing some individuals who were past lives within Cayce's Disk and speaking of them as being still individuals who were helping with some of the readings.

  Another interesting excerpt, was that his guidance said that often times, the more advanced/developed the Soul/individual, the longer they spent in the nonphysical between incarnations.  There were a couple of cases where some individuals were told that their Soul had spent many thousands of years in the nonphysical before they reincarnated. Yet, for many individuals, including Edgar Cayce, they listed many other past lives as influences in the present.  For Cayce, he had some as recently as the early American pioneer period (and had a dream about a civil war self, which was pretty close to his time period as Cayce was born in 1877).

  So it wasn't that Cayce's guidance wasn't aware of and didn't imply the Disk vs probe issue, it was more like they were aware that people weren't ready for the more full truth laid out. They were already blowing minds with the info they did give out. 

  Btw, somewhat related to this, i have wondered if Bob Monroe was the direct reincarnation of Ashaneen? 

  I have also wondered if Bruce Moen is the direct reincarnation of Talo? 

   Should add, regarding the last post on this, that some of what Bob said in his books and in videos seem to argue against the interpretation that he was the incarnation of a previously created "probe" that already had an inphysical incarnation.  He seemed to speak of himself as a new Disk mix.

   Can't say that i really know the truth of the matter--haven't looked all that deeply into it, but i do find it interesting that "He/She" referred to him as Ashaneen.  He/She in all probability had a much clearer and more expanded perceptive capacity than Bob, and even about Bob as compared to himself.

   Also, what makes it more complicated is that even if one is an incarnation of a probe that was created earlier and already lived an in-physical life, my sense is that this probe still has elements of it's other past selves that got mixed together to create it, strong within, and more over, might decide to make strong energetic connections to selves that have been created and lived lives after it did. 

   One reason might be to work out certain karmic patterns for one example.  Plus, there is the factor that even an unconscious and unaware probe is always very connected to it's Disk and fellow selves, and especially so the more aware and conscious a probe becomes. A "graduate" type probe can consciously channel and tune into any part and even all of it's Disk in a sense. And likely they are part of what Bob referred to as the "exec committee" of that Disk. 

   Perhaps related was a dream i had.  I was in a circle, holding hands with a group of individuals, and we were all meditating/praying, connecting to both each other and to PUL strongl.  I became aware that i should step into the circle, and was meant that i should open up fully and completely to PUL consciousness. I did, and it was quite something.  I had such an expanded sense of awareness, power, and connectedness.  On one hand, i felt i was me, an individual still, but yet much more than just me. 

   In hindsight, i think it was also symbolic of me being connected to and part of my own "exec committee" as i think the circle of individuals i was holding hands and connecting with was that level of my Disk.

  As regards a new Disk mix probe creation incarnation vs the direct incarnation a former probe that already lived in-physical, there might be certain advantages to the latter type of incarnation if that self had handled their material experience relatively well.

   While a new probe created from within a Disk of various different members, most of which probably lived at least one in-physical life, would have a pre sense of what it's about from those shared experiences, nothing substitutes direct experience of a self that already went through their own run.

  It's possible that the latter type of incarnation has a higher probability of handling the material experience well again, if it had already before (especially if it's a graduate type).

   Whatever the case of all this, i'm far from certain what exactly is the case with Bob Monroe or Bruce Moen, hence why i earlier said "wondered" in a questioning, tentative manner.  It's not something i've looked deeply into.  I think i also misspelled Bob's non human/ET self that he had a label for, i think it might have been Tralo instead of Talo. 

  If Bruce is a direct incarnation of Tralo, then that would make him a sort of earth angel (angel meaning non human/ET), also like me, someone coming in with a lot of ET/non human background, memory, and influence. It could also be that he was a new/recent Disk creation mix, but had Tralo mixed in strongly, because i definitely sense a strong chunk of that for whatever reason.

My first thought after reading this was what the practical use of such speculation is and in what way it serves to promote spiritual growth, which in my opinion, is the purification of the mind.  Actually, my thought was that it has little to no practical use and only serves to clutter the mind.  My initial statement is more of a suggestion as to what to ask oneself when directing one's thoughts along the lines presented in this thread.  I am also open to the possibility that it does serve a beneficial purpose that I am not aware of. 

Many conversations on a forum will not be directly linked to spiritual growth or love, but the links are there in an indirect path.  They still may be of interest to a reader.  In that event, the spiritual growth is involved in the process of discovery; searching for associations, meaning and a need to share and try to understand the complex process of consciousness in the physical world. 

Most conversations are not directly linked to spiritual growth.   That is why Lao Tzu in talking about enlightenment said "those who know do not speak; those who speak do not know."  And also "the tao (way) that can be spoken is not the eternal tao."  "The name which can be uttered is not the eternal name." 

Yet sometimes we human beings come together to chat, and wonder, even if it is not directly tied to spiritual growth.  And in that unity, and meeting of mind and spirit in a meaningless conversation, we grow in spirit anyway.

My thoughts, for what they are worth.

Matthew

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I accept all forms deeply and completely.

  To answer your "questions", which i didn't quote:  Probably this thread doesn't have much value as far as relating directly to spiritual growth.

   I find as a consciousness connected to a human body, it's mighty hard to devote every single thought, feeling, etc. to that which directly fosters/facilitates spiritual growth or attunement. 

For some examples: i like to eat cashew milk ice cream at times.  Probably not the best thing to put into the body. But, i like it, and as long as it's in moderation, i don't see the problem.  If i ate it everyday, it would likely become a problem.

I like to sing.  Does singing directly foster/facilitate spiritual growth?  Probably not. But i like/enjoy it.

So, while i'm doing time here so to speak as a human (something i volunteered for and was asked to do, and didn't need to do), i got a lot of it and can't focus on spiritual growth and attunement 24/7, and so occasionally talk about things which objectively speaking, probably aren't that important in the grand scheme, or which don't directly facilitate spiritual growth or attunement of self or others.

   There is a spectrum of consciousness that exists.  It goes from pure Love, which is of the Source, and goes all the way to 0 Love, which if reached, a consciousness can destroy itself. 

   Somewhere in-between, in the middle of the extremes is a relatively "neutral" area, which neither contributes to spiritual growth/attunement directly, but neither to stuckness/stagnation and/or regression.  It is neither positive, nor negative.

  The trick is, to make a majority of choices that go as close towards the pure Love end of the spectrum (positive), and to make as little choices that go closer to the 0 end of the spectrum of extreme selfishness, fear, ego, etc and severe lack of Love (negative). 

  Basically creating habits of choice. 

  Occasionally dipping into the relatively neutral area of the spectrum, by focus or choices, doesn't strongly affect this overall process, unless one spends most of their focus and attention and choices there and/or has too much focus/habit in the negative also. 

What that means practically, well i can still enjoy eating that cashew milk ice cream on occasion, still sing, still write about subjects or people that i find interesting, and it's probably going to be "ok" and not much effect my growth one way or the other. Because most of my life/self is and has long been devoted to the more positive end of the spectrum.

   Sometimes when people get over involved in certain eastern or new age belief systems and philosophies, they become a little extremist, and they start to overly think and live in overly polarized focus of ego vs Love, forgetting that life and consciousness exists on a very wide spectrum of same, and that while we are connected to a human body in such a cycle as we are--it's probably not possible to be only pure Love all the time.   

    For, even in the man Yeshua, there was a difference of experience, attunement, and expression pre Resurrection (connected to a human body) and post Resurrection (and not connected to a human body), and he was born with an unusual body, a very balanced and innately fast vibratory body that many both human and non human had worked towards facilitating.

   So, one might ask you, how much does self try to live that quote of yours i put at the beginning of my post? 



 

  In some ways, Matthew said it better than i did. More succinctly at the least.

I just recently saw the movie "The Nun's Story," starring Audrey Hepburn.  The movie is based on a true story. Some of the things the nuns did was a good example of trying to be spiritual rather than being spiritual. Eventually Audrey's character left the nunnery because she believed she could be more spiritual if she listened to her own conscience and common sense rather than do what the other nuns told her to do.

Some of the things Lao Tzu said are cool, but since "he" chatted about spiritual things I suppose it is okay for others to do so, even if he said "those who know do not speak; those who speak do not know."

Chances are that he wasn't opposed to speaking about things such as Astrology and past lives. If he was opposed in such a way to some degree he probably had a concept about being spiritual. It is important to remember context. Justin wasn't speaking about the nature of the Tao below. Just some of the things that take place "within" it. Is there anything else? Eastern teachings sometimes miss this point. Rather than finding out about things such as Soul development and how the Universe works, they'll label that which manifests as Samsara or Maya and claim that a wise man won't waste his time with figuring out how things work.

The Tao Te Ching isn't the only book with Lao Tzu's words, also the Hua Hu Ching. I like this later book more than the Tao Te Ching. Within it he speaks of being in contact with spirit beings. I can't say that  I agree with everything it says. Here is a link where a PDF file can be found.

https://www.google.com/#q=lao+tzu+hua+hu+ching+pdf   

P.S. Even though I mentioned Lao Tzu, I understand that the good Doctor was supportive. :)

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So, one might ask you, how much does self try to live that quote of yours i put at the beginning of my post?

Well, I certainly try.  Spiritual growth and personal development are, after all, my main focuses in life.  Of course, it's a work in progress.  I accept the fact that people spend their time engaged in that which I do not consider productive.  I myself do this.  Of course, acceptance and agreement/support are very different things. 

The thread reminded me of a past version of myself who could have benefited from the advice which I gave here, which is why I felt compelled to speak up, for the sake of those who may be in a similar position as I once was.  Theorizing about disks and other spiritual/esoteric concepts turned out to be a distraction from the real work that was needed to grow in the way I desired.  Being caught up in conceptualizing and absorbing book knowledge was more an exercise of my ego than it was a true effort to better myself.  Of course, there is nothing wrong with wanting to know and understand the nature of the self and the mechanics of reality; it is more a matter of where one's focus is in this search and if it will lead to the happiness/enlightenment that one desires or not.  One part of it seems to be finding the direct path to this insight, knowing where to look.  I believe the other part is knowing what you're looking for to begin with, otherwise one may find oneself on a wild goose chase.  I used to think that obtaining knowledge about the Higher Self and the afterlife would bring me the fulfillment that I sought.  After gaining some of that knowledge through first hand experience, I came to find out that I was wrong. 

Anyway, none of this is directed at anyone in particular.  Just sharing my thoughts and what I believe can be beneficial to anyone who is in the boat that I was in.

Regarding knowing about the afterlife, I believe it is good to know that it exists. As far as the details, this concerns me more because I'm concerned about what others have to go through, rather than how it applies to my self.

I can't say that I'm interested in hanging out in the various astral realms.  I'm interested in rejoining Source. Even now, I try to do that as best as I can. Perhaps I should qualify "as best as I can." Sometimes I hold onto things more than I need to.

Regarding Ego, well, that word means different things to different people.  Perhaps one way to speak of it, that which makes us seem separate from Source and others. I don't believe that the wisdom we acquire as we grow is separate.

Say a guy has a fantasy to become a Rock Star, becomes one, and becomes heavily identified with this persona. Eventually he'll find out that true fulfillment can't be found in such way. Only a way that is more formless, not body-based and spiritual will work.  When he lets go of such a false identity and the attachments that go with it, he doesn't have to let go of the wisdom that such transcendence includes.  Such wisdom will be an essential part of his being.

When it comes to thinking about Disks and such, to some degree I believe this is better than trying to not think about anything. It is okay for a person to use his mind when he tries to figure things out, as long as he understands how far such an approach will go.

I've found that one thing a person needs to do is work out various aspects of self. Having a Higher Self perspective can help one do so.  If one goes too far with not seeing how his being is organized, this might interfere with his ability to find out what parts of his self need to be taken care of.

People who claim to be enlightened but don't know about their higher selves, aren't as enlightened as they claim.  Even if such a person has a vast experiences of formless being, this doesn't mean that he can forget about what lies between his body-based self and Source level of being.

Going by my experience and what makes sense to me, before a person can completely become one with Source and all others, he needs to become aware of various spirit levels of being, because they are a part of the Oneness. This is true even with beings who are currently manifesting in a negative way. They are a part of Self in a larger sense.

Sometimes people don't become aware of such levels of being because they are afraid to do so. Until they do so, they won't be able to reconnect with Source completely, even if they have glimpses.


I Am Dude wrote on Sep 24^th, 2015 at 3:59pm:

Quote:    So, one might ask you, how much does self try to live that quote of yours i put at the beginning of my post?    Well, I certainly try.  Spiritual growth and personal development are, after all, my main focuses in life.  Of course, it's a work in progress.  I accept the fact that people spend their time engaged in that which I do not consider productive.  I myself do this.  Of course, acceptance and agreement/support are very different things.  The thread reminded me of a past version of myself who could have benefited from the advice which I gave here, which is why I felt compelled to speak up, for the sake of those who may be in a similar position as I once was.  Theorizing about disks and other spiritual/esoteric concepts turned out to be a distraction from the real work that was needed to grow in the way I desired.  Being caught up in conceptualizing and absorbing book knowledge was more an exercise of my ego than it was a true effort to better myself.  Of course, there is nothing wrong with wanting to know and understand the nature of the self and the mechanics of reality; it is more a matter of where one's focus is in this search and if it will lead to the happiness/enlightenment that one desires or not.  One part of it seems to be finding the direct path to this insight, knowing where to look.  I believe the other part is knowing what you're looking for to begin with, otherwise one may find oneself on a wild goose chase.  I used to think that obtaining knowledge about the Higher Self and the afterlife would bring me the fulfillment that I sought.  After gaining some of that knowledge through first hand experience, I came to find out that I was wrong.  Anyway, none of this is directed at anyone in particular.  Just sharing my thoughts and what I believe can be beneficial to anyone who is in the boat that I was in.

Hey Albert, nice to hear from you.

I agree, it's good to know the afterlife exists.
I am likewise interested in rejoining Source rather than hanging around astral realms.
I also agree that it's fine to think about Disks and such so long as one acknowledges the limitations and potential results of such activity.

Regarding claims of enlightenment without knowledge of the Higher Self, I don't believe there is any knowledge, even if it comes from personal experience, that is more important than the wisdom and insight that comes from developing a pure mind free from harmful tendencies.  I have spoken to quite a few people claiming superior knowledge of such esoteric concepts like Higher Selves who display behavior that is far from spiritually advanced, on a couple occasions the people displaying even more harmful qualities than most I know who are clueless about such concepts actually.  On the other hand, purifying the mind can be done independent of such esoteric concepts and guarantees the development of wholesome and harmless qualities, by definition.  So if one had to choose between the two sides, which, by the way, is not necessarily necessary, I think the choice is clear.

About your statements of needing to know the various spiritual levels before rejoining Source, I'm not so sure I agree, not that the opinion holds much weight on the argument, especially as the conclusion (a person can become one with Source and all others) is speculation at best.

  If you're basically saying that a person cannot spiritually grow directly from knowing, theorizing, or thinking about life, metaphysics, or anything, then i would completely agree with you.  That people can over focus on metaphysics and phenomena is also true and fairly common.

  But, i occasionally get direct guidance about various metaphysical things like other lives, astrology, etc, often without seeking same.  This indicates to me, that it has some value/importance in the grand scheme of things, because expanded guidance generally only shares what is helpful to and/or needed for one's spiritual growth, especially if one is a mature consciousness to being with. 

  While i don't often seek info much anymore during meditation, sometimes i do ask "please bring to my conscious awareness that which is most spiritually helpful for me and/or the Whole to become aware of now."

  This practice has led to some interesting, and seemingly unlikely places.

  But mostly meditation and life in general has become about opening up/expanding the "heart" so called, and communing with those who consciously know and exist in that full, fully conscious Oneness state that i would like to grow to as well.

  I tend to talk about others experiences/info more than my own, because i'm a pragmatist and know that people generally are much more interested in and open minded to, Monroe, Cayces, Moen's, etc, etc. experiences or information than my own.  If i receive something from guidance that aligns with aspects of their information, then sometimes i spend time in synthesizing various sources which speak similarly, as a way to facilitate some deeper thinking and openness to a certain concept. 

  In general, i've found the more that i grow in and attune to Love, the more my awareness and perception has generally expanded as well--become more aware of the Whole--say for example the Reptilian E.T.'s.  As i often say and point out, Like attracts and begets Like, and so perception follows beingness to a degree unless the body and physical interferes (injury, etc). 

   As in most things in life, it's the deeper intention behind an activity or expression which in relative relation to the individual (including their entire past etc), which determines more the degree of constructiveness or retrogression spiritually for them. 

   We all come in with certain different lessons and issues to work on more specifically, as well as generally trying to grow in love. 

   I know enough about my past, and what makes me me, to know and understand that occasionally talking about metaphysical subjects is not one of my areas or issues to work on. 

  In fact, i have gone long periods of not communicating much on here at all, and have received guidance that i should post more often.  Sometimes, it came from another and out of the blue for them. 


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It's funny that you say this, because i felt/thought similarly in relation to your recent replies. Reminded me of myself at a couple points when i thought i was above it all or thought i found the one true way. 

  If you have distilled this mysterious, and simply huge process called life down to only purification of the mind (which in and of itself alone can involve many factors, conscious AND unconscious), then chances are, you're probably missing the mark to some extent because there is a lot more than that involved. 

  Purification of the mind is certainly very important, but even the phrase itself indicates a certain lack of understanding, and/or a tone towards the negative. After all, the process at it's core is most about growing in and attuning to Love and increasing quality of consciousness.  Purification of the mind puts the emphasis on that what we don't want aka the problem. It's ego centric, and like a course over focused on the problem and the ego monster.  But of course i would agree that dealing with hindrances or limiting aspects of self is a part of growing/expanding in Love, etc. 

  However, what is more helpful to put the most focus on, especially to the subconscious?  Focus on that which is the reality and truth (Love) or the lack of same (dirty mind and ego)?  Hmmm, when i see people over focused on the latter, i often also see over focus on a particular limiting belief system.


While i'm not generally a fan of Zen, i do find the saying about enlightenment to have truth to it, *Before enlightenment i chopped wood and carried water, and after enlightenment i chopped wood and carried water.*

   I'm not enlightened, and especially not in any ultimate, He/She sense.  However, i've temporarily perceived/experienced it.  (that dream that i mentioned)

  I've come to intuit and consider that full, or complete enlightenment isn't possible while connected to a human body during this cycle (and not for many generations yet to come)--meaning if you were born of a woman and all that.

  For those nearing completion (those that are incarnated in the earth and which this pertains to, are extremely rare at this time), that degree of beingness and awareness will come after the death of the body.  It's possible, but unlikely, that like Yeshua, such a person might re-create a human like form to interact with fellow humans, but only if there is a need for it.  As we, unlike him, are not the Co-Creator and the over seeing director/guide of growth/remembrance and retrieval here, then unlikely for the need to arise.

 



   



 

Dude, nice to hear from you.

Regarding your third paragraph, I don't mean that one needs to find out about all levels. Say a person tries to open up to love and Oneness as much as possible. He experiences an expanse of love and peace. A part of that Oneness are higher level conscious beings. If a person makes conscious contact with the energetic level of such beings but doesn't have it mind to make contact with them, such beings might keep mum, but that doesn't mean that they aren't there. If a person becomes open to connecting and communicating with such beings, then he becomes more conscious of the energetic level such beings are a part of.

I say this with the thought that divine love and peace can't exist without there being beings who are aware of such qualities. It is also a matter of understanding that one isn't separate from such beings. In truth, there is no such thing as being alone.

Knowing how much such beings are aware of me helps me remain humble, because I understand that there is no way they will buy into any ego-like grandiose ideas I might develop about myself. Not that I have a tendency to do so. Despite all of my spiritual experiences I feel rather ordinary when I am around others. I can't say that I have reached the point where I am completely free of the tendency of trying to feel good about myself in false ways, but I think I am doing okay.

I believe that if a person wants to be one with Source, then he needs to have some awareness of the negative beings that exist, because such beings aren't separate from a person's greater self, and a person can't be closed to finding out about parts of self that are in need of spiritual growth.

There is also the matter of developing the ability to tell what type of beings you are in contact with. This can be challenging. If a person isn't willing to deal with this, such a person has a psychological block in place, and that will limit his development accordingly.

Regarding what you say about people who speak of higher self, the only person I've spoken to is Justin, and I can see that he has a good heart. It might not show at times on this forum, but he is quite humble and service oriented. I've spoken to Bruce on this forum a bit, and it seems to me that he has a good heart. I get the same feeling about Robert Monroe (I haven't spoken to him).

You say purifying the mind, my way of thinking of this is getting to the point where I can live according to love more completely rather than body-based drives, and letting go of attachments. I figure you mean something similar. Having a service oriented attitude and being dedicated to the Oneness is a big part of this.

Justin brought up an interesting point I first considered a while ago. Is it possible for a person to be completely "enlightened" while in this World? I believe this might be difficult because of body-based drives and the challenges this World includes including its various energetic levels.

Consider this, while meditating I can be in a bliss/love state and it doesn't seem as if I need anything else. As soon as I open my eyes and see the room around me, my spiritual state dissipates a bit. I don't believe this is due to a lack of depth. Rather, in order to see this World my focus of attention needs to shift from the divine level to this physical World.

In a way this is similar to Astral Projection with the effects or a Lucid dream. If you focus your attention on this physical World too much you'll lose contact with the astral.

There is also the matter of how much energy a physical body can handle. I've found that my spirit energy becomes very alive when I tune in and sometimes it seems as if it is too much for my physical body.

Therefore, I doubt that it is possible for a body-based person to be in touch with the grandness of divine Oneness to the same extent that a non-embodied spiritual being is able to do so.

There is also the matter of how this World includes contradictory needs. For example, at times it might be hard to find enough time to meditate because there are other things you have to take care of.


I Am Dude wrote on Sep 24^th, 2015 at 7:40pm:

Hey Albert, nice to hear from you. I agree, it's good to know the afterlife exists. I am likewise interested in rejoining Source rather than hanging around astral realms. I also agree that it's fine to think about Disks and such so long as one acknowledges the limitations and potential results of such activity. Regarding claims of enlightenment without knowledge of the Higher Self, I don't believe there is any knowledge, even if it comes from personal experience, that is more important than the wisdom and insight that comes from developing a pure mind free from harmful tendencies.  I have spoken to quite a few people claiming superior knowledge of such esoteric concepts like Higher Selves who display behavior that is far from spiritually advanced, on a couple occasions the people displaying even more harmful qualities than most I know who are clueless about such concepts actually.  On the other hand, purifying the mind can be done independent of such esoteric concepts and guarantees the development of wholesome and harmless qualities, by definition.  So if one had to choose between the two sides, which, by the way, is not necessarily necessary, I think the choice is clear. About your statements of needing to know the various spiritual levels before rejoining Source, I'm not so sure I agree, not that the opinion holds much weight on the argument, especially as the conclusion (a person can become one with Source and all others) is speculation at best.

  Albert, thanks for the kind words, but i don't consider myself particularly humble by the more common human  definition and perspective.

  To some extent, Dude's comments reminded me of something.  I think we need to be careful when ascertaining the supposed degree of spiritual development of others. 

   Related--there was a small percentage of people who received "Life Readings" from Cayce which when going into their most influencing other lives, and nonphysical experiences (described astrologically), were told that they would not have to incarnate again as a human if they chose not to.  Meaning, they had reached a certain degree of spiritual attunement.  Some were told it was conditional depending on how well they finished this life, and others were told that they had already reached that development.

   Cayce's grandson years later commented that having met some of these rarish folks that Arcturus (as a symbol) was a conscious factor in their life chart, or could be, that he often was surprised because he said that in many ways, they seemed pretty ordinary and fallible human beings.  They weren't "walking on water" types by a long shot.

  One lady, who had been Yeshua's Essene Teacher in Judea, was apparently a bit abrasive and pushy/bossy at times personality wise. 

   So, it's not always easy to accurately judge a Soul's development by occasional glimpses into their changeable, wavering, personality self.  After all, this part of us is very strongly linked to our body and the physical in general, and our bodies are very fragile things that can be imbalanced by many different things--various foods, accidents, outside psychic interference, etc, etc e.g. factors that don't directly relate to the deeper will and intention of their Soul in a spiritual sense. 

  At the same time, it's not hard to see when a person really gets off track if they start to consistently partake in egregiously harmful and lacking in love activities, such as conning others for material gain, manipulation, etc, etc. 

  But what i'm essentially saying is that to most accurately judge another's development, takes 1. clear and expanded sight on part of the viewer, 2. needs to consider the person as a whole and their average expression over a period of time,  3. their deeper intentions and motivations, 4. tuning more deeply into them and getting info about them from expanded guidance. 

  I have misjudged people based on material conditions and personality things, and because i do have some true humility and realized i could be wrong, i brought it to expanded guidance under more ideal conditions and was told differently than i initially thought about a person. 

   Or, i just might not have realized the degree of attunement that a person might have. An example, i had a dream wherein i was at a gathering with Bruce Moen and many others (helper types), and Bruce told me very intently, "go find (so and so), he is more intune than i."

  At the time did i consciously think that this person was more developed and intune than Bruce?  Not really, and to some extent i briefly put Bruce somewhat on a pedestal (around this time). But the dream message clearly told me that this person was more developed. 

  Or, conversely, i've gotten guidance about people and their dark sides that i wasn't as consciously aware about.  A recent example:  We rent out two of the rooms in the house we live in. I have been on the fence about one of our housemates because of certain actions and behaviors. But otherwise, he is charming and friendly on the surface.

  I had a dream recently which indicated quite clearly to me that he had deeper and more severe issues with ethics than i even realized.  The dream showed me his dark side. Part of me was sensing this, but i guess i didn't want to fully realize it consciously and partly because i didn't want to misjudge him (having misjudged others occasionally in the past).  But, most would meet him and never guess this about him, because on the surface, personality wise, he can be friendly and charming. 

    I guess that saying, don't judge a book by it's cover can be rather true. 

   If we took isolated instances of Yeshua's life out of a larger context, we could easily find fault with him and say that this man lacked spiritual attunement or awareness of Love.  But how off we would be with such a myopic assessment.





 

Justin

When I say purification of mind, it is not just about removing the negative aspects.  It is equally about cultivating wholesome qualities like love, compassion, peace, equanimity, etc.  Again, what is the point of gaining spiritual knowledge about Higher Selves and the like when one is not able to apply the principles that allow that knowledge to have a positive effect in one's life?  Experiencing peace, joy and love can only be done in a true, lasting, and meaningful way when one removes that which blocks and hinders these qualities.  So it seems metaphysical/esoteric knowledge is secondary to the purification of the mind, a far second even. 

I agree that having knowledge of some metaphysical or spiritual concepts may not be not completely useless.

I do not believe to know the one true way, nor do I believe that life is simply about purifying the mind.  However, I do believe that this process is essential for true and significant spiritual growth and personal development to take place.

Regarding attempts at ascertaining the degree of spiritual development of others or judging a book by it's cover, I'm a bit unsure if you were saying that I was guilty of this, but I feel like you were.  I've already made my intentions clear, refer to my previous posts if you missed this.  Again, I wasn't judging anyone personally, simply commenting on the behavior/activity taking place.  I even acknowledged that there could be some benefit to it that I did not realize.  There is a big difference between saying "this activity does not readily facilitate spiritual growth" and "those who engage in this activity are spiritually underdeveloped."  I'm sure you're wise enough to see this.


Recoverer

Thanks for the clarification.  I understand better now and agree with you.

Perhaps it's not possible to become completely enlightened during this life.  But it sure can't hurt to try!

Regarding finding time to meditate, I assume you mean sitting meditation.  But I also enjoy meditating while I drive, when I walk, etc.  I also enjoy being mindful of my mind states and behaviors during all of my daily activities, and try to apply the principles that produce the most beneficial results in my life.   I believe that the average person has more than enough time on this earth to dedicate at least enough of it to spiritual development in a way that effectively leads to the purification of one's mind.

Out-of-Body-Dude, I like your sensible approach and personal discipline. I expect you will achieve more than you think you will. 

Thanks 1796, that is very nice of you to say.  Metta to you my friend.

By the way Justin, I just read the Robert Bruce thread and it seems that perhaps you could better apply some of your own advice regarding judging the spiritual development of others.

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I have spoken to quite a few people claiming superior knowledge of such esoteric concepts like Higher Selves who display behavior that is far from spiritually advanced, on a couple occasions the people displaying even more harmful qualities than most I know who are clueless about such concepts actually.

    Hi again Dude, i was speaking to the above mostly, and yes you did not outright say that you thought such individuals were less developed etc, but it did sound like you were implying/insinuating this. 

   A human whom is completely direct and sincere all, or even most of the time, is a rare being indeed, and with most (i've learned the hard way), you have to read between the lines to some extent to see what they are really saying, because people often imply, insinuate, or indirectly approach things as well. You can also see this often when talking to people in person, their lips might say one thing, but their body language or other non verbal communication says differently. 

    But, if i read too much into it, then "my bad". It sounds like you weren't trying to imply or insinuate that at all?

  Either way, i believe that post contains helpful information, so even if it wasn't directly speaking to what you were saying, it wasn't a complete waste of time. 

  Regarding your recent post and the first paragraph (which i do very much agree with in general), then why call the process "purification of the mind"?  If you call it only one thing, or think of it mostly in a certain way or even with just a certain label, then it can lock one into more rigid and belief system oriented way of thinking of things. 

  When i do have to label the process to communicate to others, i prefer to say "grow in/attune to Love", because it puts all the emphasis on the reality, on the solution (and in a bigger picture way, since Love is the ultimate, and the alpha and omega so to speak). 

  This semantic difference doesn't seem like a big deal on the surface, but as i hinted before, it can make a difference to the subconscious layer of self over time. 

  When i was involved with a certain "spiritual" course, that course talked A LOT about ego, separation, etc. I found myself focusing a lot on the problem, rather than the solution when i was reading it.  I started to see the big ego monster everywhere, all the time.  It became over much a focus. (my sense is that it was designed this way on purpose).

Granted, this is partly because of how that course was specifically designed and set up to bore the conscious mind by repetition and rhythm.  But similar can happen when self thinks to self a lot over time, "I need to purify the mind." or generally says, "it's all about purification of the mind".  That can eventually influence the subconscious more than one realizes. 

   To be honest and very direct Vincent--last time i remember you were active here, i remember you talking about going to a 10 day (?) meditation retreat, more specifically a Vipassana Buddhist meditation retreat. 

  My sense is that you may have been strongly influenced by this, perhaps more than you consciously realize. I also believe it's possible that while this belief system has a number of helpful and accurate things involved, that it may also have some inaccurate or limiting aspects too. 

   I don't know if this is true or not about this approach, but wikipedia says of this practice, "A synonym for "Vipassanā" is paccakkha (Pāli; Sanskrit: pratyakṣa), "before the eyes," which refers to direct experiential perception. Thus, the type of seeing denoted by "vipassanā" is that of direct perception, as opposed to knowledge derived from reasoning or argument." 

   I don't believe that perception can be cut into black and white like this.  For example, reasoning is not always just about the logical, analytical so called "left brain" side of us (saying more metaphorically than literally), but "reasoning" can involve deeper things like intuition too.

  Eastern belief systems in general are a bit too polarized to the Yin side of consciousness, i have noted time and time again. 

 

I Am Dude wrote on Sep 26^th, 2015 at 11:14am:

Thanks 1796, that is very nice of you to say.  Metta to you my friend. By the way Justin, I just read the Robert Bruce thread and it seems that perhaps you could better apply some of your own advice regarding judging the spiritual development of others.

  Did you note what i said earlier, that at the same time it can be rather apparent when people really go off the tracks too, like when they become involved in conning people for material gain?

  There are enough blatant indications from Robert Bruce's own information, to indicate to me that he is very much involved in conning people for material gain. 

  The Teacher of teachers, Yeshua, was on average fairly laid back when it came to the dark side of others, but even he had a big problem with people that took advantage of others in the guise of spirituality. 

Back then, some of these called themselves the Pharisee's, Sadducess, and some of his words to them were quite harsh and critical. 

   I also have a big problem with people that take advantage materially of people's spiritual hunger in such conning and unethical ways. 

  That you don't understand or agree with me, i care not.

  Now your earlier implying and insinuation is starting to become a little more honest and direct.   ;)

I was not insinuating or implying anything about any members here.  I was actually thinking about certain individuals over at another forum when I mentioned what you quoted.  I believe you are wise and you appear to have a good degree of spiritual development.  Sorry for the confusion.

Regarding the term "purification," as I've said, it's just as much about developing pure and wholesome qualities like love, compassion, tranquility, etc, as it is about removing hinderances.  I fail to see the limitations or downfall of placing upmost importance in this.

I believe there is much wisdom in Buddhist teachings, although I am not limited by them; that is, my beliefs and experiences reach beyond the borders of Buddhism.

I did not attend that ten day Vipassana retreat (I went to Brazil instead), nor do I practice the vipassana style of meditation.  But that's a good memory you have!  That was at least 3 years ago.

Anyway, much respect to you and blessings of goodwill.  Take care.

  I didn't originally think you were, but when you said what you said about the other thread recently, it did occur to me that you might have been referring to folks like Albert and myself.

  There are no limitations or downfall about putting the utmost importance on the general concept and idea of spiritual growth and purification.  But to me, it's not all about "mind", nor all about purification in the direct sense.

  And because of past experiences, i prefer to be more proactive and positive with the labeling of it. If when you think and say that term, other things like love, compassion, etc come to the foreground, then it won't be limiting for you. If it instead makes you focus most on ego, or that which needs to be purified, then it could have a limiting effect.

That's all i was trying to say and point out, and it's based on experience.  It's akin to what i've said about healing and seeing it "not there" vs seeing that which is healthy and radiant there.  The aim of both is similar, but the method has a different flavor, one is more passive/Yin, and the latter is more active/Yang. In that example, when being involved in healing, i prefer, instead of seeing the cancer or whatever "not there", to see the body radiantly healthy and whole.  I understand the distinction is rather subtle and semantic, but again, i've noticed it does make a difference.


  Good to hear that you aren't letting codified belief systems limit you.  What you were talking about earlier (the futility and pointlessness of discussing or theorizing about metaphysics, etc) very much reminded me of those certain schools of Eastern thought, and then i remembered you talking about that retreat, which is why i put the two together. 

  Same to you Vincent. I also think well of you, though i don't think that came across on this thread too much.

  A quick metaphor relating to what i was trying to convey earlier. 

  If you wanted to purify the body, you could do it in two ways. 

  You could do a pure fast, and not take in any food, and this would lead to the body becoming more purified. 

  You could also put the emphasis on eating/intaking that which is naturally purifying in nature in general, such as many non starchy and especially dark, leafy vegetables, certain fruits (like lemons), and some seeds (like chia). 

  One's consistent diet can be a purifying diet in general, so that there is little need for the more extreme and focused purification such as a pure fast (which is so consciously focused on purification) can also accomplish. 

  In my experience, with both the body and the mind (or rather consciousness), both at times become necessary, but i've found that it's most fruitful to put the most consistent emphasis on consistently "eating" (intaking) that which is naturally purifying in essence.  For the consciousness, this is Love.  For the body, this may be certain foods, mostly those of a vegan nature.

  If one relies on the more extreme fasts, then one has to be careful to not indulge over much of extreme junk food.  But if one consistently eats that which is purifying and vitality facilitating, then an occasional indulgence will not imbalance the body much.

  Anyways, i thought it an apt metaphor for life and spiritual growth in general.

  We don't need to go to extremes to be "spiritual" people and to grow spiritually, in fact, it is my thought that many of us who are consciously spiritually minded and oriented, should focus less on "trying" to be spiritual by certain activities or not, and just spontaneously live with certain positive intentions and ideals. Speak and do as the Spirit moves you.

  This was the big difference between Yohanan (John the Baptist) and Yeshua. Both were unusually spiritually intune and developed individuals.  But Yohanan was much more the Essene than Yeshua. He was more concerned with certain rules and methods, whereas Yeshua lived more spontaneously and in response to inner guidance. This is why there was such a wide spectrum of interaction with others, whereas Yohanan was more fixed in expression and interaction with others.  Those born under strong Fixed signs, at times need to watch for this tendency.


  In the past i've gotten overly caught up in overly trying to be spiritual, and becoming attached to a certain image of same, and basically repressed aspects of self and later realized that it's OK to be "human" to some extent, because that's the nature of the body baggage and which doesn't directly relate to what and how my consciousness is free of the body. Basically, i've relaxed a bit.

   But yes, i do think it's worthwhile to try to pattern the body after the consciousness, but it's pragmatic to realize that the body will not and cannot fully follow. 

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I fail to see the limitations

Dude, you're limiting yourself with unhinderances. Anyways, in the spirit of not letting the topic be the limit, how are you? Still playing around with After Effects?

Out-of-body-Dude, I expect you well realise this, but I’ll throw it out there in my own words anyway, as encouragement, and for anyone who might find it helpful:

Thought encompasses, underpins and leads to everything a man can do and achieve. A man can do nothing worthwhile without thinking to do so; can accomplish nothing good without thinking to accomplish it.

Energy follows thought. Everything follows thought; and thought precedes everything.

Even emotions follow thought. Sentiments follow thought. Desires follow thought. We cannot have an emotional reaction of any sort to anything, without first being aware of that thing with mind. And how we think dictates how we feel emotionally. And we cannot control our emotions without first controlling thought, for it is via thought that emotion is controlled.

Our conduct too, deliberate, inclined and reflexive, is directed and enabled by what we think.

Even the heart is directed by the head, for although the open heart purifies and opens up the mind, no one can direct, wield or benefit from the heart without thinking to do so.

The most potent minds are the clearest minds, the most transparent. Honesty is clarity, transparency, the ability to see things as they are.

Truth is how things are, and honesty is the medium of truth, and is the means by which men know the truth.

Honesty is not developed by valuing honesty as a quality of character, but by valuing truth. Value truth above all else, before we even know what truth is, and whatever the truth might be, exercise pure awareness – observation without preference, then honesty – the ability to see things as they are – will follow.

From there, all the potent qualities of mind can be more easily exercised and developed – intelligence and intellect are widened and refined, the ability to reason, wield logic and analyse is sharpened. In time and with process, one’s knowledge becomes ordered in the head in the same way as facts are ordered in reality.
    
The heart, of course, is the ultimate and only real measure of a man. The other centres, regardless of their condition, count for nothing in the final measurement in comparison with the heart.
 
Proverbs 4:23 “Above all else, guard your heart, for it is the wellspring of life.”
Even so, we do so from our position of control and governance, which is in the head.

Clear the mind with honesty; clear the heart with love.


PS. We are each our own conductor.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zy5f87-kI8c

Dude:

Regarding finding time to meditate, I get what you say.  I'm going through an odd period now.  When I make a point of doing something such as being in my beingness while I drive, I'll feel tuned in, but not as much as when I do sitting medition. This being the case, I sometimes wonder what is the point of tuning in to a limited degree while driving, and I instead turn on the radio or my Car's CD player.

I'd like to add that I usually drive in heavy commute traffic and have to focus a lot on what other drivers are doing.

For work, I work in an office; therefore, usually my mind has to be focussed on the work I am doing and I can't say it is inspirational.

I believe there is some value in trying to be tuned in on a regular basis, but I believe what really matters is doing what you refer to as purifying the mind.

What 1796 said relates. He spoke of mind and heart. I'd like to add the "will" factor. In what direction is our overall will directed? Sometimes when I meditate a part of my mind wants to do one thing, while my heart wants to do another. The more I listen to my heart, the less my desire based mind has a say, and the more I connect to Source. That said, I believe that spiritual development is largely a matter of getting our overall will directed toward a way of being that is Source like.

Another thought, I remember when you spoke of the Vipassina retreat. I can't say I have a really good memory, but I have special thoughts about you (in a good way), so I remembered.

wrote on Aug 8^th, 2015 at 5:06pm:

Btw, somewhat related to this, i have wondered if Bob Monroe was the direct reincarnation of Ashaneen?    I have also wondered if Bruce Moen is the direct reincarnation of Talo?

Justin, So who is Ashaneen and Talo? ..And how do they connect with Robert Monroe's past life(in your opinion,) and Bruce Moen's present/past one?..Show proof!?. Gman

Ashaneen and Talo are other selves within Bob Monroe's "I/There", Disk, OverSoul, Spirit or whatever one calls it.  They apparently were more influential selves within his own personality, and aspects he sometimes communicated with.

Bob wrote about them some in his books and talked some about them in videos.  From all indications, Ashaneen sounds like he lived during Atlantis. 

Talo, was the only self (besides his original self) that Bob was aware of that lived in another consciousness/energy system.  In other words, he was an "ET".  Bob believed that Talo was responsible for manifesting some money for Bob when he was a teen and really needed a few extra bucks, and helped to save his life in another incident. 

    When Bob met "He/She", for some reason He/She referred to him as Ashaneen.  But, Bob wrote and talked about himself like he was a Disk mix rather than a repeater. 

So who knows, and ultimately it's not that important. I've just have been thinking lately on the differences between lifetimes that are newly created Disk mixes and those that are repeaters. 

   Mostly because i've come to somewhat recently understand that i'm a repeater when for awhile i assumed i was a recent Disk mix. I've spoke a little about this here and there. I've had a lot of little and bigger confirmations of this.

     As to why i wondered about these in relation to Bob and Bruce, well guidance indirectly confirmed for me that Bruce's claim that he and Bob are part of the same Disk is true.  And i've found Bob an interesting fellow for awhile.  I didn't use to think i had any personal connection to Bob, but some dreams and other messages have indicated that both my spouse and i, or rather other aspects of our Disks, were involved with and knew Bob back then.

  Again, not really important.  Perhaps also a bit rude to wonder out loud whether or not Bruce is the direct reincarnation of Talo. I don't know why it occurred to me to begin with.

recoverer wrote on Sep 27^th, 2015 at 3:41pm:

Dude: Regarding finding time to meditate, I get what you say.  I'm going through an odd period now.  When I make a point of doing something such as being in my beingness while I drive, I'll feel tuned in, but not as much as when I do sitting medition. This being the case, I sometimes wonder what is the point of tuning in to a limited degree while driving, and I instead turn on the radio or my Car's CD player. I'd like to add that I usually drive in heavy commute traffic and have to focus a lot on what other drivers are doing. For work, I work in an office; therefore, usually my mind has to be focussed on the work I am doing and I can't say it is inspirational. I believe there is some value in trying to be tuned in on a regular basis, but I believe what really matters is doing what you refer to as purifying the mind.

  Yes, i've noticed that while i can sort of meditate while doing various activities, it never compares to the really deep and still meditation i do when i lay down and tune out the world.  I don't believe this is due to belief, but more the way the body is wired.  This probably can be overcome to some extent (a greater extent than i have currently), but probably not completely. 

   There was a younger woman that asked spiritual questions of Cayce's guidance. She was spiritually minded, but didn't prefer to do sitting or laying still meditating, but more so tried to do meditation when more active.

   She was told it was important to engage more in the deeper, more still meditation despite her preferences. 

  I believe one of my main lacks or issues i need to work on, is not devoting enough time, in a consistent sense to this deeper/still meditation.   

  I somewhat recently became friends with a spiritually minded person who has had some experiences with Yeshua.  I wrote him about some of the techniques/methods that i use for meditation.  He said they helped and after he first tried it, he had a profound, detailed dream.  Most of the dream was about him and his life, but towards the end, it seemed he may have received a message for me. 

  This is what he got when talking about observing a friend in the dream, "I look directly into his eyes. He has three of them. His third eye is located in the middle of the regular two, right above the bridge of the nose smack dab on the lower forehead. His eyes are large, a bit mismatched and asymmetrical, and they look very catlike and Egyptian.

They look sort of alien. I think to myself something along the lines of “wow, his third eye is open, but it’s sort of blind or something. How could this be?” He looks like he sees with great depth, but not with much clarity, and it also looks like his particular eyes aren't really capable of too much intimacy. They are sort of opaque, sort of glazed over and yet somehow very keen and definitely very, very strong. His are the eyes of a warrior. I feel love for him. He is my friend. He is my ally, and I like being around him, but it looks like he might be a little distant."

     The lack of clarity, and "asymmetrical" and a bit mismatched (aka imbalanced) eyes is most due to the fact that i'm not meditating regularly and consistently in that deeper, more still way.  It's something i know i should do, but am struggling with.  The few periods where i have, i definitely felt more intune, balanced, centered and connected than i normally do (though normally i tend to feel pretty positive, content, and/or happy most of the time). 

Justin:

I believe that one of the advantages of deep meditation is that it enables you to gain a perspective that will help you overcome the attachments and false concepts that get in the way of being consciously connected to Source.

Even though during my daily life I don't feel as tuned in as I do while meditating, I feel more tuned in than I did a number of years ago.

Consider a person who gains weight or grows older. Because he sees this gradually take place, noticeable differences aren't easily seen. On the other hand, a person who hasn't seen this man in quite a while will clearly notice how much weight he has gained.

As we grow spiritually we get accustomed to our spiritual state, it seems normal, and it will never feel sufficient until we are fully reconnected with Source.

Justin, I agree that extremes are probably not necessary.  A balanced approach is likely the wisest path.

Recoverer,  I find that when I am not "tuned-in," my mind is often off wandering about to the benefit of no one and my body usually becomes a bit tense.  I am an english teacher, and I try to tune-in during class, although sometimes I get too heavily in tune and my students think that I am on drugs haha.  I think partial meditative-states, like as we drive or work, are just wonderful.  I like to listen to buddhist discourses by my favorite teachers as I drive-itate.



wrote on Sep 26^th, 2015 at 2:01pm:

Quote: I fail to see the limitations Dude, you're limiting yourself with unhinderances. Anyways, in the spirit of not letting the topic be the limit, how are you? Still playing around with After Effects?

Haha. Yes, it seems I am quite limited by my "unhinderances." 

I don't want to get too off-topic, but since you asked, here are a few of my latest AE projects, although the most recent one was over a year ago I think.  My creativity has been channelled almost solely into my book, which is now finished. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70zyQ4zMbjk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kc1wDCtXhOE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bcT8mk-wyQ

No offense intended with the last video.  Just having a little fun, more as a satire on the official story.

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I believe that one of the advantages of deep meditation is that it enables you to gain a perspective that will help you overcome the attachments and false concepts that get in the way of being consciously connected to Source.

   Agreed.  Also when done well, it attunes the body physical to that of the higher mental and spiritual.


  Also agreed Vincent, balance is a big part of it.  I've noticed that in life, many of us go through cycles.  Some cycles are more extreme or lope sided than others, and at their core, some cycles are more passive/Yin, and some more active/Yang. 

Both can be necessary for that greater balance, and at different times of one's life, we may need to experience a little more this or a little less that to try to gain that greater overall, consistent balance. 

  In some ways, i was an odd child, very inward focused. For the first 20 years of my so far short 35 yr life, i was quiet and unexpressive to the point of moderate autistic expression.  When i finally came out of the shell more fully, i went a "little crazy" (ok, sometimes a lot) and over Yang in the other direction.  For so long, i use to almost never talk about self, self's ideas, thoughts, etc or self/emotionally expressed, and only quietly listened and observed ever with a poker face. 

  So one of this self's lessons, has been learning and gaining balance in expression in interaction with others, and have gone through periods of extremes to come to a better balance. 

 

Hey dude,

Liked the meditation exploding scene. Not offended by the last video you listed, but boy bands on the other hand, they are offensive. When their songs are being played on the radio, you would think calling 911 and they would help out with the being offended, but nooooo, "there is no law against you being offended".

Where can your book be found?

UTTER RUBBISH
JESUS NOT JOHN THE BAPTIST
OR ELIJAH
THEY ARE MORTAL BEING
JESUS IS DIVINE