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Title: Spiritual Conditioning Post by 1796 on Mar 28th, 2015 at 4:29am
Professional athletes of all disciplines recognise the importance of both technique and conditioning.
The spiritual disciplines, out-of-body work and research, meditative work of all kinds, and any achievement worthwhile requires disciplined training in both technique and conditioning. We read and hear many enthusiasts talking about this technique and that technique, as if technique is the crucial factor. But without conditioning, technique seldom achieves much, particularly when put under pressure. If we are well condition though, and if we operate from a true foundation, and in accordance with a sound understanding of governing principles, then technique will largely look after itself. When well-conditioned we can adapt to operate through any medium and make use of any technique as required, and even under pressure, against resistance and when operating through unfamiliar mediums. We can achieve much if we are well conditioned. But being in poor condition, even though we may have the best technique, will not serve us well, except under the most favourable and easy of circumstances. If we are pushing our self hard, the going is likely to be tough and we need to be in good condition. Conditioning is the primary focus of the well disciplined and seasoned achiever in any field. In a spiritual sense, in regard to mind, heart, and soul, to render us fit for service on this and any other plane, what sort of condition should we be in? How is that condition acquired? How is good condition identified and recognised? How is poor condition recognised? What sorts of training, exercise, practice, should we work at to improve our condition? What sort of discipline should we maintain? How might we condition our self and make our self fit for service? What are some of the disciplines that readers keep to or try to keep to, in order to condition their soul, mind, heart, and to develop spiritual fitness? Conditioning is sometimes the most daunting part of any training. Perhaps by sharing methods, ideas and experience, we might make the process easier for each other. |
Title: Re: Spiritual Conditioning Post by 2bets on Apr 2nd, 2015 at 10:54am
Hi 1796,
Thomas Merton, a Christian monk, wrote some articles back in the 1950's-'60's that were a big wake-up call at that time. Many of his readers were Roman Catholic or had found his name through his aggressive anti-war activities. That he could be so active and so Catholic and be almost a vegetarian was quite a surprise back then. (He said he really wanted a big steak but his Order had no money for it.) He was also very contemplative, meditating for several+ hours a day. He left the main 'seminary' (?) and lived alone in order to keep his mind clear. Because he had written "The Seven Story Mountain" and held fast to the ideal of peace, many people were influenced to move more toward his example. Not extremely by becoming a monk but by moving out of the 'silent generation,' which perhaps had been shocked into silence by lingering effects of WWII. He shared more details about a contemplative life, such as pushing away mentally any negativity since it is not in harmony with the Love that is the guiding principle of life. He's an interesting read. To me he lived an exemplary life of spiritual conditioning. |
Title: Re: Spiritual Conditioning Post by Justin on Apr 14th, 2015 at 1:06am
Nothing better than personal challenge, stress, and hardship as far as spiritual conditioning goes, in so far it's not so intense as to break or fracture the personality self.
Course meditation and prayer help. Healthy diet and lifestyle help to keep a more balanced and acute attunement. Vegetarianism and the like, tends to have better holistic effects on that, provided the diet is otherwise healthy and nutritious and primarily of the "natural". Asking for help/direction/guidance from forces/sources more aware and Love attuned than self helps. They can't do the work for you, but they can steer you in the right directions, etc. Bruce's remembering the feeling/memory of Love helps if it's also applied universally in relation to creation in a day to day, moment to moment kind of way. Different folks will find that different methods and techniques will help them more than it may help others and vice versa. Such is the nature of individuality. |
Title: Re: Spiritual Conditioning Post by recoverer on Apr 14th, 2015 at 4:22pm
I believe an important part is trying to determine where true fulfillment comes from. If you believe fulfillment can be found by being a body-based person who lives in a World that includes the drama this World includes, this could determine your state of being even after you die.
On the other hand, if you believe that fulfillment is found through a state of being that "isn't" body-based, your beingness is more likely to manifest accordingly. When I meditate I sometimes make a point of noticing that the divine love and peace I feel is much more fulfilling than any pleasure I can experience while partaking in this World including the limited way in which people sometimes share love. The more I see the difference, the more I become detached from that which is World-based and tune within more completely. Related to the above, there is the matter of not being afraid to see that you are much more than a body-based person. Being open to see that you are something much more formless yet more real. Also let go of all other fear. |
Title: Re: Spiritual Conditioning Post by seagull on Apr 14th, 2015 at 7:42pm
For me, I try to remember to be grateful, to realize how blessed I am, to remain open to sources of inspiration. I try to remember to stop pushing for a particular outcome because there is much pleasure in surprises. These days I keep a commitment to nearly daily physical exercise, which clears the mind and sweetens the disposition.
Also, I try to remember to feel safe -- it is a choice. I remind myself that I am safe and I am loved. It is very helpful to have a calm mind. I might try a new technique, or an old one. Spontaneous inspiration can lead a person toward an unexpected success. For instance, during a troubled time I might picture a soft color around me and invite my spirit guides to assist me. I picture myself protected and do not try to anticipate how I might be helped. I might then awaken from a dream I don't remember fully, but I wake with a feeling of calm, fully rested. I then know that the work is being done as I sleep and there is no reason to strive for my answers. The answers are already there, just waiting for me. I hug my dog a lot, and I hug other people as often as I can. It is refreshing. Enjoying nature is also a good way to connect with my own appreciation of beauty and reminds me of what is good in this world. |
Title: Re: Spiritual Conditioning Post by recoverer on Apr 14th, 2015 at 8:06pm
Seagull:
Yes, I've found it helpful to acknowledge how much I have to be grateful about. I am so fortunate compared to what other people in this World have to go through. My life turned out quite different than I expected as a kid, it turned out much better, even though I work a mundane and boring job Monday through Friday. Feeling safe and remembering that you are loved also helps. |
Title: Re: Spiritual Conditioning Post by BillB on Apr 18th, 2015 at 9:19am
Practice: Patience - with all things, kindness - with all things. Tolerance, forbearance, and long-suffering - with all things. Rest with them, Trust in the Source. Learn to wait.
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Title: Re: Spiritual Conditioning Post by recoverer on Apr 18th, 2015 at 12:52pm
I could be a bit more patient.
BillB wrote on Apr 18th, 2015 at 9:19am:
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Title: Re: Spiritual Conditioning Post by seagull on Apr 24th, 2015 at 4:47pm
What is beautiful springs naturally from a simple heart.
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Title: Re: Spiritual Conditioning Post by seagull on May 5th, 2015 at 9:24pm
Each moment that you are living now you will treasure at a later time. It will surprise you. It will be an ordinary moment. But it will be one of the best moments of your life.
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Title: Re: Spiritual Conditioning Post by 1796 on Jun 6th, 2015 at 3:19am
Very interesting responses. I like them all.
I expect it is apparent that I consider general conditioning to be more important than developing particular skills. Conditioning can be difficult work though. Personally I think basics like prayer, and practicing love and kindness to all are most important. Charity too, not just in its familiar usage in giving money, but in its wider meaning of all sorts of kindness and helpfulness, material and other. I believe in anonymity too, it protects charity from vanity. Doing good as discretely as possible. Keeping our spiritual efforts as secret as is practical to do. That protects us from phoniness which is so prevalent at the present time. And not being disturbed by things around us, but just persevering with our own efforts and applying our self as best we can to the circumstances around us. Of course, life is a challenge and we must expect to fail here and there, even frequently, but keep on soldiering on towards our best self. Remembering to be thankful every day for all the little good things, and the simple things, to count our blessings and be thankful for them, like fresh air, sunshine, rain, shelter, health, life, learning, friends, family, relationships, pets, wildlife, etc. Even being thankful for our misfortunes, illhealth, unpleasant experiences, pains and troubles, and having faith that their is purpose and growth within them. And laughter, humour, of a healthy sort. Every day we can have a healthy laugh at something. Laughing at our self is good for our health. |
Title: Re: Spiritual Conditioning Post by recoverer on Jun 6th, 2015 at 12:25pm
1796, I like what you said.
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Title: Re: Spiritual Conditioning Post by 1796 on Jun 7th, 2015 at 1:51am recoverer wrote on Jun 6th, 2015 at 12:25pm:
Regarding patience. Someone a little sharper than myself described it this way: • Patience is not an emotional condition; it is a mental understanding that events occur in sequence. • Impatience is an emotional condition that results from the lack of a mental understanding that events occur in sequence. A fuller appreciation of the distinction and relationship between the two conditions may require some gentle repeating and pondering of them. When the concept of what patience is, and how impatience arises, is well grasped, then apply it to life's issues, especially the trying ones. Make understanding of natural sequence a part of your constant awareness. Notice how patience, as a mental understanding that events occur in sequence, is a mental effort, and notice how it effects the mind, how it frees the intelligence and sharpens the intellect, even under trying conditions, and keeps emotions in check. Notice how at trying times when neglecting to understand and appreciate that events occur in sequence, causes the emotion of impatience to stir, and that emotional stirring can be used as a warning to remind us to switch our mental attention to understanding the sequences involved. It helped me; I am more patient nowadays. Perhaps it will help others too. crossbow |
Title: Re: Spiritual Conditioning Post by recoverer on Jun 8th, 2015 at 12:52pm
Crossbow, thank you for the advice about patience. I am mainly impatient when computer applications don't work correctly, such as an application I use at work that is very problematic.
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Title: Re: Spiritual Conditioning Post by 1796 on Jun 8th, 2015 at 10:04pm
You're welcome Albert.
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Title: Re: Spiritual Conditioning Post by BillB on Jun 14th, 2015 at 5:38pm 1796 wrote on Jun 6th, 2015 at 3:19am:
I think this is well said. I believe it is also an attribute of great faith and spiritual development when one can be thankful during the trial experiences. Though often there is a focus on the far out cosmic experiences and/or psychic travels, I find that the personal development 1796 describes is key. Some avoid religious overtones, but religions do teach many key lessons for our development. |
Title: Re: Spiritual Conditioning Post by Rondele on Jun 15th, 2015 at 8:10am "I came to understand that there were competing interests in the development of man which the above beings have had conflicts over. Somehow I saw the differing ideas as complementary, but opposed. I also understood that somehow these approaches ultimately contribute together concerning man...." Bill- Are you talking about the development of human souls? R |
Title: Re: Spiritual Conditioning Post by BillB on Jun 15th, 2015 at 8:08pm
With respect to the quote, I was referring to mankind as a whole species over time. On the one hand one may think in black and white terms and say good vs evil fought over creation or man - following the thought of some traditions. I am somewhat inclined to wonder that tho some of that is true, that it is more complicated than that and "the conflict" may be driven by dualities, opposing interests, competing forces that are natural to the system. Look at nature working out the development of some ecologic niche, or even erosion - Competing natural forces at work.
Then things become more gray about good and evil. So I guess I was referring in that quoted thought to the course of mankind. Maybe there was a time when he wasn't a war-monger, or self-centered and greedy, then maybe some part of the formula got out of balance. I don't know, but I wonder about this development of man-like species over the eons and what interested forces in the Universe have had in all this. With respect to the 1796's thoughts, I was thinking more in terms of the individual. Does one call that soul, or spirit, or some other word? I don't know how one would settle on the correct definition or terminology, but when I think about myself..the part I see as "me", struggling forward, I do find the themes described by 1796 and various religious traditions (or Taoism if one considers that a religion) to well portray the fundamental lessons that I feel are beat into my being over time and I sense it is important at some very deep level. This is of course my opinion. I don't think I could actually logically defend it; then I'm not sure that I even answered your question. |
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