I think the issue of the dormancy of memory in the afterlife merits further discussion.  Though I respect Don's quest for spirituality, I find multiple reasons to believe that memory does not need to go dormant once we have passed on in spirit.  Rather, all the evidence points to an initially enhanced memory, followed by a period of a readjustment of goals and focus (but not a loss).  If, during the secondary stage of death, we turn our minds away from earthly concerns, this is (I believe) much like what we do when we are alive; we focus on something, until we are needed to reunite with our friends and family.  I think the key point omitted from Don's matter-of-fact statement that "memory goes dormant in the afterlife," is that there is no evidence that it (memory loss) is a permanent issue, and that it is not necessarily outside of our control. 

What evidence is there for this?  Reams and reams.  Many people who experience NDEs are met by their loved ones immediately on passing.  This may, at times be by a grand parent who died decades before.  Did they simply wait idly by the earth plane for that moment?  Unlikely.   Were they an imposter - a helper imitating grandpa?  Possibly, but those who have experienced it claim - no, it was them (they were certain).  Falseness and deception is not that easy among good people in the afterlife, as communication is by thought.  But, I digress.

To go on with NDE evidence that memory does not inevitably go dormant, Don himself often cites an NDE in which a woman was healed but met her mother who informs her that her constant grief, several years after the mother's death is hindering the mother's own progress.   The mother obviously did not forget her, but found it difficult to concentrate on her new focus and tasks as she was pulled into her daughter's earthly grieving. 

Swedenborg, Bruce and others speak of travel and meetings in those who are in the planes of consciousness in the afterlife.  Your thought of someone you loved brings you to them.  It is just that quick and that easy.  Distance is irrelevant, as is time.  Numerous examples exist from astral explorers and NDE experiences.  So, I would argue that not only does memory not go dormant as a "rule of nature," quite the opposite, memory and thought may be summoned when needed.  Some would call this the grace of God.  I can't disagree - and that is how E. Swedenborg viewed it.  But when one says it is his grace alone, it removes us from the equation - as if we were helpless and could never remember our loved ones unless some outside source permits it. 

So we are told in numerous examples that spirits in the afterlife are called, frequently, by our own thought and grief to be with us - even when we are not aware of their presence. 

Often when mediums are giving a reading, they will mention that a deceased relative acknowledges the birth of a new family member, or an important life event, implying that the deceased family member is "watching" and concerned, long after they have passed on. 

So we have numerous reports of people meeting long dead relatives immediately after death.  We have NDEs where people meet relatives who report being summoned frequently by an earthly person's grief or thought, we have mediums (the least reliable resource?) reporting that long deceased relatives are happy or aware of important life events.  Taken as a whole (and the specific case evidence for all this can fill up several volumes), what are we to believe? 

In my opinion, the evidence clearly points to retention of memory when it is needed, but a change in focus in consciousness.  When I was in college I worked in an X ray crystallography lab at Columbia University for a year.  During that time, I knew the equations to calculate the position of molecules in a crystal.  I had not thought of that in decades till now.  I don't remember the specifics. But the memory is there.  Why?  My focus changed.  But I can remember that rather minor part of my life.  What are the chances that my memory of my mother, wife or son will "go dormant" without my consent?  None.  Sorry Don.  It just will not happen.  I have no doubt that our focus changes, and we become deeply involved in other issues in spirit.  But we do have a choice, and it is clear from all the above evidence that the choice is ours, and that God's grace is manifest when the will of two loving people wishes that memory and contact. 

My mother passed away in hurricane Sandy.  Since then, I have had minor contacts with her, but no stunning verifications.  And yet, at one point, I felt her move, in spirit toward my heart area (some may say chakra).   As if she were with me, letting me know that she was still involved, watching, helping.  The failure of Houdini to communicate a code word or the fact that Robert Bruce may have happened upon people who were not focused on their loved ones and seemed to have dulled memories is minor compared to my own experience and the mountains of evidence that memory does exist when we pass on.   

Does it seem odd that we would focus on a new project, and not be thinking about our earthly loved ones while we are in spirit until we are called or change our own thought and desire the contact?  Perhaps, but   it makes perfect sense to me. 

Matthew

Excellent post, Matthew!

I agree.  We are consciousness and a part of the whole of consciousness and can access information, memories or our loved ones at any time we choose in the afterlife because we and they are always with us.  There is no true space or separation between us, only the individualization of souls based on their experiences and the knowledge gained from those.

Perhaps a metaphor for how this works would be the Internet.  Most all are connected and can access information/memories or each other whenever we choose.

Kathy

  I'm inclined to mostly agree with your post.  I think what often happens is that as we progress in those other dimensions and as we move into more expanded states of consciousness, we tend to lose a lot of our (human type) attachment to the Earth, and our previous human earth life. 

   But, we certainly don't forget the love connections we had while there!  That is pretty silly, when it's these that are what are MOST real about our human lives.  But, it's not like we focus on it all the time, as we are busy with other focuses and work.  However, if we become aware that one of those loved ones is going to transition, you can bet your booty that most of us are going to make an effort to be there for that person when they transition.

   But, do you think about what cars you had, your house,  your professional status, even what your physical body looked like,  eating food, etc, etc, no most of all that superfluous stuff does fade for those progressing and expanding.  Those kind of things are not important to begin with anyways.

     Sometimes we deliberately pull away from contact with our loved ones still here because we realize that their over attachment to us tends to be a limiting thing.  Some people can handle contact in a healthy and growth facilitating way.  Some, or many can't, or not for awhile, or not that often.  As mentioned on another thread, humans rarely live, express, and tune more fully into that Consciousness and force of PUL.   A lot of our "love" is diluted and distorted, with a lot of hang ups and over attachments. 

    In the beginning of transition, many of us still have these more human like attachments, hang ups, and selfishness mixed in with love.

  But the more you progress in these other states, the more these are dropped and transformed closer to that of the ideal of PUL.  Hence, you do for others what you realize would most benefit their spiritual growth and for many humans, that is to not try to communicate with your in physical loved one unless it is HELPFUL for them to do so.

  And not all folks that transition progress that much for a long while.  They don't have to necessarily be more fully and classically "stuck", but some folks will over think on and be over attached to their former in physical life, and these folks DO tend to try to communicate over much with their loved ones irrespective of what's helpful for them and their growth patterns.

  Again, there are no black and whites with these processes.  While we can generalize to some extent, not everyone follows the same patterns, because we are individuals and each case can be a bit different than the other. 

    I tend to be a bit wary of sweeping over generalizations when it comes to trends and processes related to consciousness growth.  The only thing i'm completely certain of as a black and white, is that PUL is the ideal and standard, and our attunement to it or lack of same, is what determines our level and rate of growth back to conscious atttunement as an individual with Source and the Whole. 

  Lot's of times when a person has a very strong left brain side, when not in a consistent balance with the right brain side, one tends to compartmentalize information, or to think more in terms of black and whites, as the left brain side is very linear and step by step logical.  It doesn't have the necessary fluidity and holism to realize the many shades of gray and relativity on it's own.  That's where help from the right brain side comes in.

  In balance, we begin to see more true and with less distortion.  How many humans have a good and consistent balance and integration of these two very different but connected sides?  Or between the inner masculine or feminine?   Think it was an accident that when Bob Monroe asked to meet the most spiritually mature person living in his space/time reference, that he came upon a person whom he perceived as perfectly balanced between the masculine and feminine and that was one of his overriding perceptions of that person?    No accident there. 

  The closer we come to that attunement within ourselves, the more "He/She" like we become, the more clearly and accurately we will perceive as a trend.  There is no getting around this, except to be temporarily raised up, so to speak, by guidance forces and for a purpose to see/perceive something necessary for us within that time to do so.



 

Following is from Nanci Danison's NDE:

I received "knowings" in the afterlife that, once we complete the transformation back into our spiritual level of awareness, we know that physical life is not real and so give it no further thought. There is no need to worry about our loved ones in the body because they are also still in the Light. Only part of their energy/awareness is invested in physical life. We can communicate with them in the afterlife any time we want. So, in general, those in the afterlife do not listen for our prayers.

I haven't read any of her books (Kathy might want to comment here), but what she says above coincides with what Michael Newton wrote, based on what his clients reported while under hypnosis.

Maybe it's really not all that important whether we get ADCs from deceased loved ones or not, if what Danison says is true (yes I know, it's a big IF). 

Assuming a part of our energy always stays behind when we incarnate, that would mean a part of us is well aware that our loved one is ok even if we are not consciously aware of it.

R

Doc:

If anything our ability to remember increases after we die, it doesn't diminish. Consider how much is remembered during a life review by an NDEr. I believe it would be more accurate to say that body-based identities go away once they are no longer needed.

Some people speak of merging with God and "all knowledge" is available.

I think Don is overly fond of attributing things to misleading spirits, imagination and telepathy(the later so mediums can be debunked), so he was prone to accept what somebody like Robert Bruce has to say about this matter.

When it comes to the spirits I communicate with, memory doesn't seem to be a problem. Going by how all the data adds up, they aren't misleading spirits, confused spirits, or projections of my imagination.

I can't say that I completely agree with what Nanci said in the quote you provided. I believe she goes over board at times. Going by my experience, the "me" that is in this World now does matter to the friendly spirits I know.

Roger, yes I agree with what Nanci says.  Note that she says after we are transformed back into our spiritual level of awareness.  Prior to that our awareness could be somewhat lacking because of emotional or belief issues or whatever.

I'm only on page 12 of her first book.  I haven't had time to read lately, but I just finished a big project so maybe now I can get back to it.  Her third book was about a documentary of earth's history.

K

Agreed on all points Albert.

After the last performance of the play, the actors intensely and briefly recall the parts they played, and then get on with their real life. Not so much forgetting as refocusing and acquiring a newer perspective and different priorities.

If they are healthy actors, then they retain the lessons and skills they learnt from their roles, but do not retain the character they played and the relationships their character had with other actors on the stage. Although from the relationships they played and reciprocated and helped each other play, they may develop an even truer and deeper relationship and understandings of each other than what their characters had on stage.   

They don't return to communicate with those who are still on stage, for that would interfere in their performance.

Backstage, between acts or off set, there might be rare occasions where a previous actor might have a brief word with a performing actor. But generally a previous actor knows better than to bother and potentially interfere with someone while they are engaged in their work. Both have jobs to do and things to learn, which usually, are done best with none or minimal interference from each other.


crossbow

    

'What evidence is there for this?  Reams and reams.  Many people who experience NDEs are met by their loved ones immediately on passing.'

Great post Doc and agree with you. But I think one of the reasons why bereaved people may feel unsatisfied is because the ADC may not come to order or be of a different type to that which is  expected ...

My wife's best friend Jane's husband Mike had died after a long battle with cancer. My wife, Jane and another friend were at Jane's house a few weeks after the funeral. Over a long evening my wife, on going to the toilet, had noticed that her shoes had been moved to the middle of the hallway and so moved them back again. Going again later she noticed that the shoes had been moved again. Unsettled she mentioned this to the others who also remarked that they had noticed it when they had gone out the room but had said nothing. 'Well if it happens again I'm leaving' my wife joked, but sure enough on inspection the shoes had been moved to the middle of the hallway again. The interesting thing is that my wife's choice of shoe had always been a running gag between the three friends and Mike and the propensity to be of such a size as to be a tripping hazard. My wife assured me that no one else was present to move the shoes and it was not a practical joke by Jane and the other friend.

ADCs, it would seem don't always come in the form we expect !

Great insightful posts, my friends.  First of all, I want to thank Don, for putting some of the key issues out there for people to weigh in on.  I know this sounds a bit grandiose or strange, but on thinking on the answer to this, I have been filled with a feeling that we, as individual souls are much much greater than our physical incarnation.  I am even more deeply aware of it, as the answers to this topic evolve.  And I carry it around with me, and have been sharing it with my family and friends.  For that, I am grateful to all. 

I am also convinced from the discussions, my own intuition and the evidence, that we don't all develop a form of spiritual Alzheimer's.  I am convinced that if astral adepts (Bruce, or ES) found otherwise it is because they encountered a person focused in whatever activity they had immersed themself in.  Take our dreams, as an example.  Many times, in our dreams we are pursuing a foreign objective, and not at all focused on our earthly life or identity.  I have had such dreams over the past week.  If RB or another astral traveler could meet me while I dreamed, and question me, I doubt, during the dream, I would make much sense.  That is the phase of consciousness I am in.  The dream itself has a course - a purpose for me.  But if someone wanted me to give my son's birthdate or other such verification while dreaming, I don't think I would respond correctly (for all but my most lucid dreams). 

I do think Swedenborg gives a great description of the different stages of death, and th different priorities.  The first stage after death sounds like a period of enhanced memory and the earthly personality is completely intact.  This stage contains the life review for some, and is probably the easiest stage to communicate with others. 

In the subsequents stages we let go of the outer superficial parts of our ego, and pursue our true loves.  During this phase, I believe, the particulars of the earth plane have less meaning.  I like 1796's analogy of a play, with the actors still on stage.  We realize that in spirit, no longer constrained by the physical world and it's densities and troubles, that we can love and have deep connections to our loved ones but don't have to continue with ego related attachments to them.  With that realization we do, at some point move on.  but here is the thing - the grace of God is available to all when it is needed.  That is why so many people who have NDEs meet long dead loved ones for real (not imposters).  The fact that travel is instantaneous in the spiritual planes (the speed of thought), and speed of contact is only determined by how strongly the contact is desired by both parties, means that we can contact people who are close to us when it is necessary.  In all likelihood, we likely are in contact with our loved ones when we think of them, but due to the gulf between us and limiting belief systems, we aren't usually aware of the contact. 

My understanding of the topic is evolving.  This and other topics of conversation has convinced me that these forums are important, and that real spiritual growth and understanding can be achieved by sharing ideas on an internet forum.  For that, I thank everyone involved.

Matthew

Quote:

Once reunited with the totality of my Light Being Energy, the "soul" I once thought of as myself dissolved as a separate identity, taking into my Light Being form all of my experiences and data collected during this human life.

The above quote is from Nanci Danison's book.  This, if true, and I have received similar understanding from my own communications that it is, could explain why ADC seems to be unlikely after a period of time.

Which doesn't mean a person's "history" is inaccessable, because it is always a part of memory within consciousness, which can be accessed and perhaps even carried within a field of consciousness such as Don mentions, Sheldrake's fields on his other thread.  At least I can see where positive growth type of consciousness could become a part of a field of consciousness for the purpose of evolution of human consciousness.

K

Hi Kathy-

I know you just started reading Danison's book, but if you come upon anything related to our pre-birth existence, I'd appreciate it if you would post.

I was struck by how closely her quote that I posted coincides with Newton's books in terms of our simultaneous existence both here and "there."  So I'm wondering if what he said about pre-incarnation is something Danison learned during her NDE.

That, by the way, never quite clicked with me.  Supposedly we only incarnate after our guides are assured that the goals we need to achieve for spiritual growth will in fact be met.  And they make sure that the amount of energy we take with us is appropriate to our needs in terms of meeting those goals.

Too much energy is said to be just as deleterious as too little (sort of like someone being too hyper or too docile, both personalities can be a problem in different ways).

Obviously mistakes are made.  Serial killers, child predators, sociopaths, etc just a couple examples. I doubt, if Newton is correct, we would be allowed to incarnate if these kinds of  outcomes were likely.  And supposedly these guides possess abilities to reasonably forecast the way our life will unfold.

R

rondele wrote on Feb 8^th, 2014 at 2:38pm:

And supposedly these guides possess abilities to reasonably forecast the way our life will unfold. R

  This is one of those combos of yes and no's.  We have freewill.  Generally most of us (and especially the more mature we become) try to stick to certain rough sketches of plans, goals, etc. 

  But with dealing with the freewill of self and others, sometimes we can get way off these sought after and worked towards goals and general plans. 

  A very interesting quote in the Cayce readings go something like this, "accidents occasionally happen, even in creation, strange but true." 

   We like to think that we live in a completely ordered and according to plan reality, especially the spiritual backdrop, but there is a certain amount of chaos potential--how could there not be with freewill as a reality and gift to us?

  Especially once we are focused here. 

  No individual being, not Yeshua, nor even Source Itself can always know how we will choose to use our freewill.  Once we have made a choice and gone in a certain direction, multiple probabilities of greater and lesser degrees are "thrown off" so to speak, and such levels of consciousness can see those quite clearly, but at each choice it fluctuates a bit or a lot depending. 

  One could argue that when we were created out of Source and/or it's Child the Planning Intelligence or Logos, that we had a certain amount of some kind of individuality and uniqueness and as the saying goes, character to some extent is responsible for "destiny"... so it's possible at that moment of creation of free willed individuals, Source saw all possible paths for each individual, but didn't necessarily KNOW which ones we would go down when we got around to choosing, and moving. 

  So sometimes regular ole guides don't have a clue where we will end up, if we happen to make certain key choices at certain key points that are very different from the goals and intents we came in with, or someone elses freewill impacts our path strongly. 

   This is one of the reasons why our guidance level is so watchful of us while we are focused here, because they realize they might have to help adjust for some of these unforseen or un probable developments.  Say a drunk driver, and we get warned to step off the road at the right time. 

Hi Roger,

I've read Newton's books, too.  I'm on the 4th chapter now and I must say, Nanci is in a class all her own when it comes to her ability to describe her experience of the afterlife.  I'm impressed.  Not only in the way she communicates her experiences, but in how far she went... to the point of merging with what she calls "Source."  So much of what she says is "understandings" I've received as well.

Newton did a lot of theorizing on his own in my opinion, so I know what you're saying.  His subjects were not having a NDE either.

Back to the book.  Now that I've gotten into it again, I don't want to put it down!

K

  To note, the being whom Nanci refers to as "Source", i think would rather disagree with being labeled such as far as accuracy goes.  One can ask him oneself.

   Just one of the many, many Creator Beings out there, and not the Source.   Like us, a Child of same, and like him, we will eventually move into similar roles and capacity as He has already, a full co-creator and companion with the Source and the Whole. 

   Having a facile tongue and being a good story teller is entertaining yes, but i agree with what Albert has said, she takes some things too far.  But definitely an interesting and i would say, mostly accurate source to look at.  I've read other NDE's that have talked about merging with the Light, Source, God, Love, or whatever they labeled their conception of it.

  What i find interesting about Nanci's account is that she does distinguish and realize that the Creator Being she merged with, wasn't all there was. 

But then again, so didn't other psychically oriented sources like Bruce Moen (aka the "Planning Intelligence) and others.  Course, Cayce's guidance talked about it quite awhile ago.  Then there is John of the NT, and other much older sources.   

    I understand the delicate nature of skirting around or avoiding identifying exactly who and what the Creator Being of this reality is, because of religion and how many have been turned off by same, but wish some modern sources would speak the truth as is. 

  Bob Monroe's wife, the other Nancy, pretty much channeled him, and he gave clues to his nature and who and what he is.  The Light that we exist in, move in and have our being in.  Sort of the masculine side of reality to the Source which is more Yin, void side of latent all potential (over simplifying because both have both side within their nature, but the masculine is definitely stressed in the Creator Being of this reality, aka the Light, and the Yin or feminine is definitely more stressed or apparent in the Source.
   
  You could say this reality is the result of their re-merging and love making so to speak. 

 

Hi Justin,

The only way we have to describe our non-physical experiences is to use metaphors.  And that's what I meant when I said I was impressed.  She takes her experience and the meaning she derived from it and does a good job of using metaphors to explain her knowledge of the afterlife and how it works.  I've only had time to read a couple more chapters, but when she uses the label "Source" she means the whole ONE consciousness system or what some would call God or what I call God Consciousness, which has no gender of either male or female.  Light Beings also have no gender.  I haven't read anything where she indicates "Source" isn't all there is.  In fact, just the opposite.  At least so far.

When a Being of Light communicates with me what I receive is a deep understanding of a concept, but to try to put this into words using ordinary language is difficult because there's so much meaning to what I understand and usually the "understanding" is completely foreign to anything we can conceive of with ordinary human thought patterns.  The only thing we can do is try to find the closest match.  I can relate to most things Nanci describes likely because of my own experience of the non-physical and in communicating with Light Beings, but to someone that hasn't had those experiences the words used to describe them can sound ridiculous or right out of a sci-fi movie.  So far I've not read anything I'd disagree with except that time is simultaneous.  But here again, in Light Being form there's complete access to not only the present, but also future probabilities, actualized past history and past probabilities that were never actualized, so time from that standpoint may very well seem simultaneous even though it's not.

At least so far, I wouldn't say that she goes overboard (whatever that means) so much as she tried to very carefully and conscientiously describe what was important to her.  The things she realized that were totally against what she'd been taught and believed prior to her experience.  The things that WOWed her is what she seems to focus on and here I'm thinking more of her third book that I've finished reading.

Have you read any of her books?

  Hi Kathy,

  I think she does a good job overall.

Kathy wrote, "...when she uses the label "Source" she means the whole ONE consciousness system or what some would call God or what I call God Consciousness..."

  I recently watched a number of interviews with her (some 5 or so), and in at least one, she very clearly indicated that this larger reality/Universe, was created by an individualized being and she referred to it as "Source", and that she was aware that there was other Creative sources besides this larger individualized Being.  Course, she does speak about Oneness plenty--no debate there.  It might be hard to find this again, but i will give it a try. 

  But if you look wider, and at other sources that talk about a similar concept as the above, such as Bruce with the Planning Intelligence the Child of it's Parent Consciousness, Cayces' guidance talk of the Light/Christ Spirit--the maker of this Universe, Nancy Penn Monroe's channeling of Yeshua, or John of the NT, they all say the basically same thing, that we move and exist and have our being within the Light and essence of this rather large Co-Creator Being.  This manifested reality (physical and nonphysical), is a reflection of It's essence and beingness. 

  Or in Campbellian terms, He's the one who designed the larger video game system with it's various levels.  He's the one constantly projecting and streaming the data..

  If we find ourselves within same, we exist in a Oneness with It and with others within same.  Course, there is also a larger Oneness than even that, but there are definite "boundaries" between this larger reality and the realities that other Co-Creator Beings have made for their Creations and parts of self.   

    Within this Universe/Reality, many of us are "children" of this Co-Creator Being.  Some of us within this reality are children of The Source, or original Consciousness, but i suspect those are mostly the "lost sparks" that Bruce talked about.   

  Many of us who have a Retriever origins, like you, Albert, Bruce, me and a number of other Disks who have selves involved with this site, though, are direct offspring of the Co-Creator being--almost like his is the original Disk we came from, and our Disks are almost like probes spun off from his Disk. 

   And yes, that Disk has both Yin and Yang in it and is quite balanced and merged between these, but it is ever so slightly balanced to the Yang, which is why we could refer to it as a "He".  Or perhaps as He/She with a very slight emphasis on the He (hence before the She). 

  In Consciousness, "gender" translates best as simple active and passive, much like electrical charge.  Active is the moving electricity, the life force itself, and negative is the receptive and grounding counter balance or side of consciousness.  Or in other more human terms, active thought-will and receptive feeling/perceiving.

   You need both in any creation and in any individualized, freewilled being, and while in the more expanded levels of Consciousness these are so blended and merged to almost not be noticeable as any distinction, there is to the deeper seeing eye, slight emphasis on one over the other at times.

  This perhaps why this Disk, while projecting aspects of Itself in our little Earth with it's strong polarization, has more often than not, chosen to incarnate in male bodies (though it is essentially very balanced and does have female lifetimes as well), and it's probe that BEST represents this Disk and whom is most known throughout many different realities, is none other than Yeshua (Jesus) who incarnated into a male body.  Why, because it's inner nature is very slightly more polarized or balanced to the active or "male" more often than not, than the passive-receptive "female".


   I don't know exactly who the being is that Tom Campbell labels the "Big Cheese", but he also clearly states that this being represents itself as and feels a bit more male than female on a consciousness level, which is why Tom refers to it as a "him"..  I'm guessing that a consciousness within the "Big Cheese" role, has to be a pretty expanded and evolved consciousness (hence it will have quite the balance too).

   Perhaps it's a similar thing?  ;)

We touch on some mighty big and deep concepts in the above, and it's easy to misconstrue and misunderstand, especially if one as any human gender hangups or over attachments. 

   For what it's worth, i perceive The Source, the very original Consciousness before any other individualized consciousnesses came into existence, is slightly more Yin or "Female" than male.  My few brief experiences with this Consciousness and state of being, well it's hard to describe except as very, very still and receptive.  Almost void, complete Oneness.  We all still have that "memory" and state within us to tap into.   But it wasn't until The Source moved and became active in creating (consciously integrated it's "male" side), that it became fulfilled.  The result of this, was the Planning Intelligence for those who prefer a more religion neutral label, whom was brimming with creative force, and a bit more the Yang to Source's  bit more Yin (though again, both have both within same, just as we all do, and much more balanced/integrated than most of us).

  So, in the grand scheme of things, there is quite the balance. 

It is very hard to put these concepts and knowings into human terms and labels.  And me not being a completely clear and PUL attuned channel, no doubt it's not 100% accurate as to the perceiving, let alone the translating. 
 



 

One other quick thing about gender relating to consciousness beyond the physicality of inner and outies.

  I find it very interesting that when all human bodies are first developing in the womb, they are all first female. 

  I think this is one of those interesting microcosm reflections of larger Consciousness and how i talked about i perceive the original Consciousness, The Source as more Yin or Feminine than Male.

  Forget the chicken or the egg question, what came first the female or the male.  Clearly, the female. 

  Yet, it's interesting to note that supposedly Yeshua referred to The Source as "Abba" which translates to Father.  A good question is why?   

   Goes back to that active and passive charge thing.  The part of Source that initially moved could be said to be the active, male side of Consciousness, which later became personified in the Planning Intelligence or the "Light". 

   So when we refer to God, or The Source as the Creator or the Creative, active, moving force, we could justifiably and accurately refer to that part of God/The Source as "Father".  But certainly this Father is not adverse to a little cross dressing, and really is both and beyond both all at the same time. 

Hi Justin,

My point is that we humans can only describe our experiences using metaphors.  Even light and energy are metaphors. 

TC states in one of his videos that his TOE or model is a metaphor.  Some models are better than others, but all models are metaphors.  Pick the one(s) that best suit you.  The details (metaphors) aren't all that important from the perspective of Consciousness.  What's important is that we evolve in beneficial ways... grow in understanding, caring and love... the attributes of love... kindness, patience, and so on.

K

  Well said and true enough Kathy.  Definitely the latter is the most important part.  But i still think that relative accuracy of information is also important, even if we must use metaphors and do realize that nothing is truly as is when doing so... 

It's interesting to me that i find that we as humans or in our other states, attune more and more clearly to PUL, and live it more, both our perceiving and our translating also tends to get more and more clear, accurate and relatively closer to the truth of the matter.  Attunement to PUL expands Consciousness, both in the being and the perceiving.

  This is why i always consider the source of any kind of spiritual or psychic type information.  It helps to know what their deeper intents, motivations, etc, etc are.  For example, Edgar Cayce's work.  Here was an unusual human who at a young age, was praying earnestly to God to be of service to others.

  Not to say he didn't have plenty of human issues and lack, but it's perhaps not an accident that such a pattern with those kinds of intents and motivations produced one of the most vast, holistic, and verified psychic works on record in the world.   

   Nanci, in her own words states that for most of her life she was a money grubbing lawyer.  While she has moved away from that pattern and is becoming the Light Being she was before she incarnated here, there may be some residue of that, which would lead to relatively more distortion as far as both perception and translating same. 

  The Law is clear, to get purity in perception, you have to pure, and there is no going around this except to be temporarily raised up by those who are in a moment pure themselves.  It really is a type of consciousness physics law that is far, far more set than any physical physics law.

  This does not mean that i am saying that we should not listen to less pure sources--not at all, but rather that we need to use our discernment and discrimination the more said sources waver or vary from the ideal of PUL.

Or in more human terms, i find MUCH of worth to Nanci's accounts, enjoyed listening to them, and would recommend her to others.  But i still use my discernment to see what is relatively more accurate or not, and would advise the same for others in relation to any outer source. 

This is also why, when i meditate and pray, i intend and ask to attune only to and ask for help and guidance from only those purely creative, PUL personified, etc sources and levels of consciousness.  Aka, the most expanded.

  Asking for anything less, is really just not pragmatic if one desires to grow to that themselves.  If one is content with illusions and the unreal, then fine, flit around with sources that provide less than. I'm not, i'm done with the unreal. I want to finally fully wake up.   Meanwhile, i can also see and gain from the more pure aspects and info from sources which themselves may not be wholly pure, but again i apply discernment as much as possible for one who is not pure themselves to see what is more helpful and accurate or not (which is why i appeal to more expanded sources than self to "check" things). 

Yeshua (Jesus), the Teacher of teachers and Guide of guides called this separating the wheat from the chaff, and he said it was important to do.

There is a relativity to all this.  And since everything is so connected, we have to consider the relative and varying influences of all variables, whether it's living and choosing in a certain manner, certain intents, choosing to let self resonate with an outside "energy", which even just info has some influence beyond our conscious minds understanding. 

   This is perhaps why so many sources that i highly respect and intuit as high level, say that it's really just best to go within, and hook up directly to the most expanded one can, to get info directly.   It's the most pragmatic way.   But yes, we do get directed at times to outer sources in this big guidance process.