hi. im Julia. im only 12 and very close to death of a weird heart  condition that is wiping me otui yet will not allow me to relax. actively exerting themselves while ovwertired just trying to keep alive. the pressure is so bad its like im sweating and shivering at the same time like feverish.lots of scary faltering and ripping right up the arm from the left and right  side of chest and middle. my heart and lungs and tingling and spamssare excricuating. ive only stumbled upon these thingns and the concepts of angels and guides are all new to me, . this condition worsened, butbecame life threatening this is very sudden. im afraid of everything. space, new states of being, losign my body, what it will feel like and jesus and afterlife are new, and seem unbelievable despie all ive read thus far.im afraid of losing my body, what it will feel like  feel like, wher I will go, who will save me, or even if its al real or not because it seems like it just wont reveal itself ot me. ive tried so many things already but nonthing has worked a waste of effort because my body is so bad. im at home with no assistance because we are are poor and they don't know how to handle this. my parents don't believe in any of this so they wont buy any rescources. the ones ive tried already  were numerous and yielded no results. im scared of the unknown and it only gets worse. my body and mind are biologcallly not allowin g me to cooperate and I cant remember how it feels to not be twisted and contorted in pai and freezing and shallow breathing and so tired I wan tto rub my eyes evry few seconds. this is taking a lot to type. just help me. I don't know what to do. I don't know if Ill make it because my heart and shoulder and back are all pulling andn pushing and heart going boom. this is my last attempt please help me. I can tfeel any spirit guide and im scared of other sates and places of losing my house a d mother and family and not knowing anything. I wan tot go straight to focus 27 im too scared of being in agony both inside and out lost for long. :'( if I could id be crying and screaming. its too horrible.

edit. I need yo lnow how it feels to be ou og body cuz it seems rather scary to me ans I need a heads up/

At one point you will be free from the physical and your mental abilities will no longer be limited by a connection to a physical body. Then it will be time to let go of the physical and embrace your immortality.

My suggestion is first to go to the library in F27 to get all your burning questions answered. Think of the library in F27 and you will "teleport" yourself there. That will be one of the new abilities which will be a natural part of you. While in the library, check out the different traits of the astral levels, not all places will be worth your time. Meet friends you might not know about now, and other friendly people. Meet some of your other incarnations.  Make your own area. See what is to see. Find out what your possibilities are.

I wish for you a journey that eventually gets better.

Hello Julia:

Sorry to hear about what you’re experiencing.  I don’t know if there is anything I can say that will help a lot, but perhaps this will help a bit.

It is possible that it was known before you incarnated that you might have to go through what you’re going through. I’m not suggesting free will doesn’t exist, but your Soul might’ve become aware of the possibility/probability of developing the condition you have. Nevertheless, your Soul chose to take on this incarnation because you were willing to take on the challenge, knew that it would help you grow, and knew that in the end everything would be more than fine once you rejoin the afterlife.

Regarding fear of the unknown, yes, our minds do try to find security in what we already know even if what we have at the moment isn’t so great.  We don’t have to consider the possibility of death in order to see that a fear of change is possible.

During my spiritual growth there have been a number of beliefs and psychological issues I held onto because I didn’t believe it would be good to let go of them, and each time I did I found out that it was highly worthwhile to do so.  Rather than running into something unpleasant, more wisdom, freedom of mind, love and peace came into my life.

I believe the same is true after we die as long as we don’t get caught up in some erroneous belief system or a negative state of mind.  If needed, an aware person such as yourself can ask for help and receive it.

Albert

wrote on Oct 9^th, 2013 at 12:55pm:

At one point you will be free from the physical and your mental abilities will no longer be limited by a connection to a physical body. Then it will be time to let go of the physical and embrace your immortality. My suggestion is first to go to the library in F27 to get all your burning questions answered. Think of the library in F27 and you will "teleport" yourself there. That will be one of the new abilities which will be a natural part of you. While in the library, check out the different traits of the astral levels, not all places will be worth your time. Meet friends you might not know about now, and other friendly people. Meet some of your other incarnations.  Make your own area. See what is to see. Find out what your possibilities are. I wish for you a journey that eventually gets better.

thank you guys. the only issue I have left is this. I don't know how to let go of my body, even trying ot actively sleep wont help. and im too scare dot leave my mother even for a moment. and theres nobody I know who died because they all died before I was born. and im so weak that even with distractions I can neither focus nor zone out. its very weird.its like my body is holding me prisoner here. and im also scared of new expansion because I liken it to being underwater in the big open ocean or being out in spac ein the big blue sky which is scary. also my body is so weak nad tired than even rotatin gmy shoulders or lifing my arms makes my heart og weird. im scared because im already breathing so painfully and shallow and my adrenals are out of control. trips to the hospital almost killed  me fro jostling in the car. its weird.. im in so much discomfort already that beign shot out of my body seems so scary. im afraid ill be lost. and go dknows how long it will take to heal me and make me not sleepy again. even small light hurts. that and thef ac tthat years ago my dreams wer etelling of something awful happening to me with no escape as my subconscious did. even though I shool it off because it was too horriblet o think about. and everyones experience is different also makes it hard because things I expected did not turn out that way. with a lot. but ill try to keep in mind what you guys are saying.

edit. im like a helplessbaby ay this point, and so trained and afraid og hallicinayions. id be scared if u were to go into dark ot light if I were too see something id  be like scared pit of wits because not going back to familiar. this id all I know. howvdo I know ill be carried to a  good place. thee geeling that I wont be ok just wony go away.

julia,

Is there anyone who has already crossed over that you loved and trusted? Most of us, I hear, will be met by loved ones, some of them whom we don't even remember here. Often, people find themselves in a loving presence after they cross over. Even though you are fearful now, that does not mean that you will not experience the love and the welcome that others do. I believe that no matter where you might find yourself, you can think of what you know to be beautiful and true, and you will find that place, that thing, that person. Kind of like in the Wizard of Oz, when Dorothy clicks her red heels and says, There's no place like home.

I wish that you had some spiritual counselor nearby, or a social worker who is experienced in helping people in your situation. But, know that you are loved and cared for, beyond anything you can imagine, and that when you pass over you will be going to your true home. We will all be there with you someday, you know.

julia, I don't know your life, but everyone I've met have faced what was new to them, but the new also become known to them. Adapting sometimes happens without noticing it very much at all.

This may be all you know at this moment, and it is a moment of fears. This situation doesn't define who you are or who you will become, but it sure is what you're dealing with now. The feeling you have about not being ok is part of a distressed situation. You may feel helpless, but you aren't helpless, otherwise you would be completely overcome by the situation.

You don't have to let go of the body. It happens by itself when it happens, and until then your energy might be better spent by lying or sitting down and focusing on getting the mind in a calmer state. Raise the shoulder as you inhale, let the shoulders down and exhale. Your state of mind doesn't have to become completely still, but stiller.

Yes, turning into inner peace when one is experiencing pain can be difficult. The ability to do so is partly a matter of how spiritually developed one is. The more one lets go of underlying thought patterns that interfere, the more success one will have.

One thing that might help is remembering moments when you felt love, feel the love as much as you can, and then go with it even after you stop thinking about the subject that helped you tune into love.

I wouldn't worry about expanding more than you want to. That probably won't happen. You probably also don't need to think in terms of going out of body.

ok. but still I cant.....even when my mind is still my heart will spasm and then ill be righ back. I dony know why im finding all this so hard to believe. when my heart finally explodes it will be impossible to relaz. no I dony know anybody. m6bmom.

julia,

If you are alone and you are afraid that you are about to die, please call the telephone help line that is available in your area. There is no reason why you should have to be in pain and discomfort which is unbearable to you. That's really all that I can suggest right at this moment.

Hello juliajulia,

Here’s another idea to try.  Can you shut your eyes, even a little?
Shut your eyes as much as you can and imagine yourself held in the loving arms of a very caring person. You can feel their kindness and love as you relax in their arms. These arms protect you and you are safe.

If you can relax even a bit there, try it for longer times. While you are relaxed you can ask to hear from your Guardian or to go to where all knowledge is, the Library. If you feel too ill to read there, ask that someone there read the important information to you.

One of the things they may read to you is that You did not begin with this current life and You will not end with it.  (-: You can find courage, you really can.

Betson

betson wrote on Oct 9^th, 2013 at 4:10pm:

Hello juliajulia, Here’s another idea to try.  Can you shut your eyes, even a little? Shut your eyes as much as you can and imagine yourself held in the loving arms of a very caring person. You can feel their kindness and love as you relax in their arms. These arms protect you and you are safe. If you can relax even a bit there, try it for longer times. While you are relaxed you can ask to hear from your Guardian or to go to where all knowledge is, the Library. If you feel too ill to read there, ask that someone there read the important information to you. One of the things they may read to you is that You did not begin with this current life and You will not end with it.  (-: You can find courage, you really can. Betson

I hope so. I have never even heard of getting out of ym body until a little while ago which is unfortunate, since I am being biologically prevented from doing so by this now. so I suppose imagining it will have to do. oddly enough in my dreams im either well again or not even there, like watching a movie. in places that seem familiar, but at the same time unrecognizable. like my house, but more rooms and hallways. im afraid iys all fantasy srill. the word delusion comes to mind.

imagininge anyone/ I know you guys prob wan tot murder me for saying this, but it still only seems like fantasy. even encountering all this would scare me. leaving my mom is the worst because she is all I have. I feel like im just making motions through delusions that have no meaning. even when my aunt died I wasn tlcose to her, I shu thte hwole thing out because it was oto horrible. I guess you would say ive been suck in focus 1 all my life. even more so now. but im still trying. this would be easier fi it was something like cancer that we could find, at least wed know. but the fac that ive had extrensive testing an dscans and 24 vials of blood shipped to the mc, and we still cant find the exact cause or origin as it affected my heart and other places at once, nad im only 12 with a wasted bullied loner childhood and an unfulfilled life of ambitions wihich seem silly. but im trying not to make this sound like a sob story. if I had known thi would have happened, say a year ago, I would have been frenzied doing every ridiculous thing everyday while I still could. even watching movies and listening to binaural beats have no effect now. I should have said I know what a lotof you might say.

Oh Julia,

“Imagining will have to do.”  Oh really? Then if imagining is so second rate, why did Albert Einstein have such a very active brain in the areas that imagining take place? Why did he bother with imagining?  Why did his brain have more connections between the side that processes imagining and the side that deals with the outer logical reality (much  than other people have)?

Imagining is just a gateway that allows you to get into  areas that will answer the questions you have. The best way to get into these overlooked sources of wisdom is to relax / think of being loved unconditionally.

We’re not kidding you, Julia. Everyone here has had experiences that prove this (except maybe Carl but he’s another case entirely. Hi Carl, my apologies. )

Imagine yourself protected and loved, Julia, because You are, despite the tricks your physical body is currently playing on you.

Betson

ok. o hopr so. I just hope this isn't all in vain. what does it feel like being out of body/ will I be ablr to eslk and move afain/ will I still br sleepy ahd gave cheddt pain/ I hope I wont be alone but hqve sn holding my gand. I just want tp fall asleep here, and wske yp om a bed with mu aunt and dog,. the joy almost seems emptu, fake. but I guess

edit. I wish somdibdy could give me a reading. my fb nzme is Julia macneil, pic of a gfirl playing flute,

Found you, Julia. The artwork you put on there is fun, liked it.

Hi Julia,

  Praying for help in relation to the most spiritually helpful, aware, and loving Beings (meaning, specifically direct your prayers to these specifically), with no expectation or preconception of how, when, in what form it will come, has helped me. 

  I don't necessarily mean that your heart condition will get healed, but there are other forms of help and healing, emotional, mind, and spiritual.  Just be open, and listen deeply.  Physical pain can also be lessened.

  Hoping for your highest good.  Ask for Yeshua.

not my art. but you can see how I was if you read through my profile. the only fear I have now is of the breathlessness and of my heart spasmsing and stopping. it make my hwole body feel swqueezed and awful and breathless. the only other thing is I hear of being shot out into the sky at lightning speed itno space. that also scares the crap out of me in my overtired condition.

edit. even if I was well, maybe I would have ben too scared ot do it anyway for fear of getting lost o rnot acutlalyl being able ot feel someone or to not find my way to safety. so ironic now.

juliajulia wrote on Oct 10^th, 2013 at 8:11am:

not my art. but you can see how I was if you read through my profile. the only fear I have now is of the breathlessness and of my heart spasmsing and stopping. it make my hwole body feel swqueezed and awful and breathless. the only other thing is I hear of being shot out into the sky at lightning speed itno space. that also scares the crap out of me in my overtired condition. stuck in focus 1, both unable to ge tout of I, and scared to. edit. even if I was well, maybe I would have ben too scared ot do it anyway for fear of getting lost o rnot acutlalyl being able ot feel someone or to not find my way to safety. so ironic now.

Dang, I'd be scared shit-less thinking about being shot out into infinity too. Who wouldn't?  Maybe it would feel exhilarating or fun actually doing it... but I couldn't know until it happened. Thinking about things is often more scary then the thing itself. One thing is Absolute for sure. You won't be alone. You won't be lost. There might be a second or two of "huh??"  But that passes. And then you see you're not lost.  Just in a new place. With good friends at your side.                                    Your friend, Tim

That's a good way to put it. :)


Griffin wrote on Oct 13^th, 2013 at 12:53am:

Dang, I'd be scared shit-less thinking about being shot out into infinity too. Who wouldn't?  Maybe it would feel exhilarating or fun actually doing it... but I couldn't know until it happened. Thinking about things is often more scary then the thing itself. One thing is Absolute for sure. You won't be alone. You won't be lost. There might be a second or two of "huh??"  But that passes. And then you see you're not lost.  Just in a new place. With good friends at your side.                                    Your friend, Tim

here is what I pick up...no help needed. You will be, and are, just fine. I feel you being as healthy as a horse, physically, once things move forward from here. Take care "little one". When it truly your time, you wont be afraid. Your heart will be filled with love, and you will know it! 

Bruce-

Maybe you could do what the other kids can't or won't do....put their posts in off topic.  Either that or teach them how to find their missing maturities.

In fact as I recall you had suspended Carl once before, and he's back at it again.  Short attention span I guess.

It's really getting tedious and contributes nothing to the board.

thanks,
r

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Thanks,

Bruce

Children,

I think what it must be like living your minds, and I become ever so grateful to be living in mine, where forgiveness and PUL reside, unless it's imagination acting up again.

Nice to see you back online Bruce.

who is this carl person/ I haven tbeen on here in a while because I was in a hospital and only have very limited access to my moms laptop. im very offended by being called a troll. I thought this was a lovin gplace filled with answers. ive spent a lot of time trying all of these things but they didn't work even when I didn't give up trying. I guess I was wrong about all this.

edit. why won this exist for me/

juliajulia wrote on Nov 18^th, 2013 at 9:43am:

who is this carl person/ I haven tbeen on here in a while because I was in a hospital and only have very limited access to my moms laptop. im very offended by being called a troll. I thought this was a lovin gplace filled with answers. ive spent a lot of time trying all of these things but they didn't work even when I didn't give up trying. I guess I was wrong about all this.

im amaze dim still her ebut I am in a lot more pain an ddiables than I could think. and still nothing for all mtrying. its like I never existed before I was born, its like my dead loved ones don't exist and heavne don't exist. even when my mother is trying ot give me love and kisses I thank her but can tpay attention because my heart and tired
ness and everything is just so overwhelmed its like beign electrocuted. I can also se it was useless and asking fo rhelp only caused a mess. I m sorry for wastin gyour time.

edit now all those questions I thought, why me, why now, why this/ I was so healthy or seemed. its still ver ymuch a bombshell. now I am more depressed and afraid than ever considering tha ti almost died several times and ewach time was painful and lo
juliajulia wrote on Nov 18^th, 2013 at 9:43am:

who is this carl person/ I haven tbeen on here in a while because I was in a hospital and only have very limited access to my moms laptop. im very offended by being called a troll. I thought this was a lovin gplace filled with answers. ive spent a lot of time trying all of these things but they didn't work even when I didn't give up trying. I guess I was wrong about all this.

im amaze dim still her ebut I am in a lot more pain an ddiables than I could think. and still nothing for all mtrying. its like I never existed before I was born, its like my dead loved ones don't exist and heavne don't exist. even when my mother is trying ot give me love and kisses I thank her but can tpay attention because my heart and tired
ness and everything is just so overwhelmed its like beign electrocuted. I can also se it was useless and asking fo rhelp only caused a mess. I m sorry for wastin gyour time.

edit now all those questions I thought, why me, why now, why this/ I was so healthy or seemed. its still ver ymuch a bombshell. now I am more depressed and afraid than ever considering tha ti almost died a few times and each one was painful and lonely an dhorrilbe. I cant bear leaving my mom or this earth.

Dear juliajulia,

I am so glad you are out of the hospital. 

I know it must have hurt you to read some of the comments posted here.  I'm sorry you had to experience that.  In this life, there are always those who hurt others.  You can spend time dwelling on them or you can think of all those who are here for you...And believe me, Child, you are in our thoughts in the very best of ways.  We are pulling for you. 

Now I'm going to ask you to do something for yourself.  As much as possible, think of all the good in your life.   You can start by being grateful for a mom who loves you so much.  Look for the little things that are good...like the feel of the sunshine or the whisper of clean sheets or that you have a computer to use once in a while.  If you look for the good, you will find it.  It will help take your mind off some of the pain.  I know this works.  I've lived a very long time with pain and fatigue...and it works.  If you keep doing it, it will become a habit in a very short time and then you can read some of the good advice given here and maybe get a bit more out of it.  I will recommend you skip all that negative stuff.  No one needs that.  When I come across stuff like that, in my head, I see a trash can and toss it in it.  Your imagination will help get you through this.  And always remember, you are loved.

I'm sending you love and hugs.
T'ressa

Julia,

Sorry to hear about your trouble, and sorry your thread was diverted into a pointless, off topic, rant by a problem child who visits here.  I've gotten rid of that diversion so maybe we can get back to communicating about your topic again :d)

Going out of the body can feel a number of different ways and the most natural way is when we go to sleep.  Every time we fall asleep we just naturally slip out of the space our physical bodies are in and into a different body, a nonphysical one.  We all have both kinds of bodies.  Waking up is just the normal natural process of slipping back into that physical reality space  our physical bodies are in and becoming conscious, here in physical reality.  When we are asleep here in physical reality we are awake and conscious in a different reality.

Sometimes those other realities are fantasies, places we create by actively pretending they exist.  Sometimes those other realities are real, meaning the exist without imagining them.  Memories of our dreams can be remembering what we did in those realities.

Sometimes going out of body is just a feeling of floating as we let ourselves relax.  Sometimes as we are just starting to move out of our bodies there is a loud sound some describe as a "buzzing" or a "roaring wind" sound.  Sometimes there is a feeling  some describe as a vibration or shaking,  In my case the roaring sound was like sticking my head in a jet engine, and the loud buzzing, roaring sound felt a little like I was being electrocuted.  These feelings didn't last very long and my first response to them was feeling strong fear and feelings like I was dying.  At first I responded by pulling away from those terrifying experiences.

But over time I became curious about what these experiences were.  I allowed myself to just experience the feeling of them a little longer each time.  As I discovered that no harm came to me by doing this my fear dropped away.  This was a big step for me.  Without all the fear the experience changed in ways that made me happy I had chosen this path.

I know no amount of my words can convince anyone that our afterlife exists.  Only our own experience can or should do this in my opinion.  Besides, it's possible what you are experiencing has nothing to do with your dying.  You may not be dying at all.  It may be that your experiences are about learning something else altogether but it feels like dying and causes fear. 

I've been one breath away from death several times.  I have no fear of death anymore.  Now my only concern is for those I will (temporarily) leave behind.  We all have friends and Helpers who live in the reality beyond the physical one.  That's my opinion.  Sometimes we remember our encounters with them, usually we call those memories dreams.

Hope you are doing better.

Looking forward to hearing from you again,

Bruce