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Message started by Ginny on Apr 2nd, 2013 at 7:26pm

Title: For the animals
Post by Ginny on Apr 2nd, 2013 at 7:26pm
I was visiting my place in Focus 27 not too long ago and I almost didn't recognize it.

Years ago it started out as a small area that resembled a pond and surrounding trees in a city park I loved as a kid. I had my own park bench where I could work on strengthening my abilities to focus, perceive, and create to get to know how to operate in a non-physical reality while remaining conscious in our physical one, which is what Bruce teaches. Anyhoo, I decided I'd leave my park open to any animal, creature, any critter who needed a place, for whatever reasons. Some of the first retrievals I found myself in had to do with animals, so it was my hope the park could be a sanctuary of sorts.

I had no idea what I was doing--no I'm just kidding! ;D

In the last few years it's gone beyond crowded. More like an African savanna/American Great Plains kingdom! I sat and just looked around for awhile. Some butterflies took note of me for a few minutes but beyond that, I was a happy onlooker. Parts of it seem to be returning to the wild. I wondered just how big the project was getting and who was behind that, and I got back that the animals, critters and plant life were creating and expanding their world as they went about their business. It came naturally to them. If more grassland or lakes were needed they simply popped into existence. Squirrels need nuts, nuts need trees and so forth. I found the explanation fascinating and a little emotional.

And so I just want to put out there that if anyone knows of an animal that has crossed over, or will soon, you're more than welcomed to send them to the F27 park.


Much love,

Ginny


Title: Re: For the animals
Post by Griffin on Apr 3rd, 2013 at 12:53am
Hi Ginny,                                                                                                                                                                                     I think I've been there. You mentioned the spot sometime ago. I went looking. The place I found is huge, wild. I created a place for myself overlooking a valley. I've sat on the porch there, playing & singing, looking out at the life around me. Maybe it's the same place.                                                                                                                                            One of my cats died 2 1/2 weeks ago. My beloved Ivy, born in the ivy in my backyard.  She would look at me with her eyes of love, man oh man I feel it now, my little sweetheart, Ivy girl....                                                                                                                                                                                                                 Thanks Ginny,               Tim                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             

Title: Re: For the animals
Post by betson on Apr 3rd, 2013 at 6:18am
What a wonderful world ! (-:

Quote: “...I got back that the animals, critters and plant life were creating and expanding their world as they went about their business.... It came naturally to them. I found the explanation fascinating and a little emotional.” 
Perhaps your discovery had impact because it revealed such a huge truth, that all consciousness is constantly creating--?

John Pipkin’s novel 'Woodsburner’ has several spiritual references, allusions to truths (I think they are) that fit well with this site. He has a character saying, for example, that the New World (the Americas) didn’t exist until they were dreamed and hoped into being.

Bets


Title: Re: For the animals
Post by Baroness on Apr 3rd, 2013 at 6:12pm
Hi, Ginny,

Thanks for creating another place for animals and the like.  I have sent with love many small creatures that have died suddenly do to accidents or by nature's whim never thinking where they were actually going besides some vague idea of crossing a rainbow bridge.  It is so nice to know there is another place for them to roam and find others of their kind.  And especially those beloved pets that take part of our hearts with them when they pass.  :'(

I'm going to try to find your place the next time I go to do a retrieval.  It sounds like a place I would love to visit for a while. :) 

Thanks again,
Baroness T'ressa

Title: Re: For the animals
Post by Vicky on Apr 4th, 2013 at 10:17am
Hi Ginny,

It's nice to have your place as a reference of focus to use in case of en emergency.   :)  We are always finding a dead or dying little animal in the yard and of course I imagine surrouding it with love and sending it on its way to wherever it needs to go in the afterlife.  I've even taught my kids to do this.  Now we have a focus point of a place already created for them!  One thing I do is imagining loving hands scooping them up and taking them...now I can also add the image of your place as their destination. 

I'm a very visual person so I love having visual references.  Like if I need directions, you know, don't give me street names...just tell me which landmark to turn at.  And next time I need to go there that's what I'll picture.  Same for when I do nonphysical work.  I rely so heavily on visual stimulation to get me there, to invoke the mood and energy and emotions, etc. 

Vicky

Title: Re: For the animals
Post by Ginny on Apr 4th, 2013 at 8:21pm
Tim,

Ivy girl :'(. You think she's still hanging around you? My chihuahuas do and they stay at the park as well. It amazes me how effortlessly they exist in both worlds. They act as if they were young again and if they should forget me, it'll only be temporary. We're built from the same stuff.

Your place in F27 sounds beautiful, magnificent...and if it's in the same time zone as the location of my park, how cool is that?

Thanks Tim.


Bets,

Yes indeed and thankful it never does stop creating...especially when it comes to nature, wildlife. I sensed a herd of elephants way off in the distance before I left, which brought some emotion to the surface for me. After all they've been through Here, they will never demand an apology from us. They get it, the bigger picture. I hope I can as well.

Sounds like a neat book. Thanks Bets.


Baroness,

Just think of my park in F27 and you'll be there--it will be yours too.  And I'm sure the animal kingdom has many destinations, but I had my F27 place in mind especially for animal retrievals and extinct species. It makes sense that creatures from far and wide would answer the invitation :).

Thanks Baroness.


Vicky,

I' m a visual person too. If I've driven a certain route a few times, just seeing one or two small landmarks again works almost like an instinctual GPS or something. You can feel if you've over-shot a corner you should have turned on. Hey perhaps that was good training for navigating the afterlife.

At my park I haven't constructed any buildings or gates--just a small city park with a pond, trees, bench with a small lawn in partial shade, flowers...and it goes on and on from there. I would love to have you visit.

Thanks Vicky.


Title: Re: For the animals
Post by Griffin on Apr 5th, 2013 at 12:28pm
Hey Ginny,                                                                                    You've verified something for me or it's a meaningful coincidence. Whichever, I'm knocked out of my socks right now...

           Ivy girl died in the morning. When I went to bed that night, I thought of you mentioning creating a spot for animals. So I thought "I'm going to create a spot for Ivy & I to share in the afterlife" My intention was stated as "Take me to the best possible place to create a wonderful place for Ivy and her brother & me to share..."                                                          I was on the side of a wooded hill. I created a simple comfy wooden cabin-like place, more like part of the trees than something that sticks out. Later, I sat on the wrap-around porch, playing & singing as I gazed out  at the valley below. I saw elephants off in the distance. "That must be Ginny's place" I thought...     When I woke up, I thought I had been to the spot you seeded, which Spirit grew. It might be so. I'm sure there's others who have seeded sanctuaries for animals in the after-life, but I woke up grateful to Spirit & you....                                                            Between sleeping & waking, I've felt Ivy nuzzling my face, licking the top of my head... like I use to kiss the top of her head, nuzzle her. Her form was much bigger than her physical form was. I've felt her since at other times too.                                                   I got her ashes yesterday. They're sitting in a special spot with a beautiful wooden Buddha softly smiling upon them.                                                                Thanks Ginny!

Title: Re: For the animals
Post by Ginny on Apr 5th, 2013 at 6:09pm
OMG Tim. I'm blown away.

Death doesn't exist. Neither does coincidence. :)

Wild and domesticated animals have had such a huge impact on my life. They've shown me over and over how to literally communicate nonverbally, how to calm the inner dialogue and just tune in to a just-under-the-surface wavelength of stillness...and then wait for the thoughts, mental imagery, feelings. It's an undercurrent of love--that's the only way I can explain it.

Ginny

Title: Re: For the animals
Post by a channel on Apr 9th, 2013 at 1:35pm
  My gut feeling is that it's more that we have a need for a spot or place for them, rather than them actually having that need.  There may be some unique cases wherein that's different, like a long time abused pet, but generally i think animals do very well when they exit stage Earth.  They may visit us, but i doubt they really get "stuck" in the way that former humans sometimes do.   

  What's kind of interesting to me though, is the concept of animal reincarnation into different species.  My wife one time, had a "vision" so to speak, wherein she saw our cat Kenya and saw that she had been many various big cats before.  The somewhat vague impression was that she incarnated as a pet cat partly because of issues of pride and needing to learn humility or something akin to that.  Perhaps our human words and terms don't suffice to really describe what exactly it is they are working on...

  It has occurred to me for some reason, or rather wondered out of the blue, if my cat Jasmine may incarnate as a human.  I don't even know if this really happens or is possible.  I am aware of Bob M's run in with the dog soon to be human, but i don't automatically believe what others say unless my intuition or experience confirms it. 

   Anyways, just current thoughts, intuitions, etc--nothing set in stone. 


Title: Re: For the animals
Post by Ginny on Apr 10th, 2013 at 2:18am
Hi a channel,

Bob Monroe's third book was an inspiration to me regarding helping in retrievals, and when I discovered Bruce's books on how to achieve that goal, it never occurred to me that animals would ever be in need as well. I just assumed we were dealing with people stuck wherever in the afterlife and that Helpers would guide me through it.

One of the first retrievals I initially found myself in had me outside of a small corral which was attached to a barn full of cows. The animals seemed frightened and wanted to keep themselves in a tight bunch. Wondering why I was with this small herd and what I was suppose to do next, I walked back into the barn to see if a human was around. The place felt deserted and cold. And it was then I realized that I was in an old and abandoned slaughtering house. And the cows had died sometime in the past but for whatever reasons they hadn't a clue they were no longer in the physical.

So I rounded them up and calmly walked each cow away from the corral and towards endless lush green pasture land...where they could graze and eat and be free finally.

Perhaps animals being around humans can get a few stuck now and then. Dogs patiently waiting for their masters to return home, unaware that both he and his life long friend already died some time back.


Much love,

Ginny

Title: Re: For the animals
Post by spooky2 on Apr 19th, 2013 at 11:28pm
Isn't it that "my place 27" is permanently under consctruction?
When I move to that place, I have in mind the core construction (a building and the landscape around), and the atmosphere. It can be that I'll immediately go off again from there, because I want to get "higher" with those guides whom I can meet there or because of other tasks, but it still is a quick method to focus my awareness "there".

There isn't so much change there over the years. Maybe because I didn't invest much energy to create "my place". But there is a question I always have when I am there, it's "where I am actually?" Is it just a private world, a fantasy, real, yes, but just for me? Or is it more, a place which is real in the meaning others can enter it and perceive it, and/or animals can inhabit it (that did not happen at my place, and I don't want it). Many animals I have loved, which died, show up in my dreams, but never at my place in F 27.

Just a description of what my place 27 is/means for me.

Spooky

Title: Re: For the animals
Post by Ginny on Apr 21st, 2013 at 6:24pm
Hi Spooky2,

From my own experience regarding Focus 27, it's an area or state of consciousness, originally created by human minds, that has no limits...with the exception that no one can impose their will over another. "My place 27" has had some interesting visitors through the years, but none without my prior consent. There are areas within my place which do remain private, and I have other places in F27 as well. So why not invite friends and critters? Who says it can't be done? :)

Much love,

Ginny

Title: Re: For the animals
Post by BobMoenroe on Apr 22nd, 2013 at 11:00am
Ginny,

"So why not invite friends and critters? Who says it can't be done? :)"

The physical limits are gone in F27, but for me it still matters if it's a pet buddy or a thought form of a pet buddy. The latter is a sort of a physical equivalent of a stuffed pet. It can be done.

Title: Re: For the animals
Post by Griffin on Apr 23rd, 2013 at 10:03pm
Now that is a very good question; how do you know if what you experience is conjured from your imagination or not?  F'rinstance, say I've met you both physically & non-physically. Most, if not all of my physical meetings with you would be colored by who/what I imagine you to be; not what you really are.  So, how can I trust my perceptions? Is there something in me that can sometimes discern the truth of a situation? What would that be? How would it feel?

Title: Re: For the animals
Post by Griffin on Apr 23rd, 2013 at 10:19pm
Or say I need to invoke a non-physical being because they have expertise in the function they perform that my work has use of. How can I tell that my interaction with them is real & not just conjured from my imagination? I'm not going to do without the creativity of my imagination... but how do I discern the Real from the false?

Title: Re: For the animals
Post by Vicky on Apr 24th, 2013 at 1:03am
Griffin,

Using the imagination is good practice for a lot of things.  When it comes to your questions, how can you tell the real from what's made up, I think practice making things up opens the channels for allowing real things to come through.  Pretending, imagining, and creating open up other areas of your perception that you're not used to using.  Then at some point, if something real were to come through or be perceived spontaneously, you might have a way of proving it's real and that you had no other way of knowing that information. 

It really does take a lot of practice and part of that process means giving yourself some leeway.  For instance, I'm learning how to develop basic psychic ability (that we all have, we just don't normally use it).  And I have to find ways of testing it.  That means I'm wrong a lot of the time, but it also means that when I'm right I am able to see why I'm right.  It's not guesswork.  When I'm right about something psychically, there is a pattern to it, some kind of signal that happened.  Then, the next time I have the same signal with another experience, and the psychic things proves true, there's my proof.  Then my practice has something new for me to work with.  This is how my development process works.  I take LOTS of notes.  It can be boring but I'm diligent and it pays off. 

Practice using the imagination and making contact and exploration is the same kind of thing.  If you allow yourself the right to be wrong, to be practicing and pretending, you'll open yourself up to the real stuff. 


Title: Re: For the animals
Post by Bardo on Apr 24th, 2013 at 7:41pm
Vicky,
Thanks for the reminder that our imagination is the door, and not a diversion from the spirit world. I have been feeling that I am deceiving myself, as time passes between significant experiences in my spiritual life. But I know in my heart that what you say is true.

Title: Re: For the animals
Post by Vicky on Apr 25th, 2013 at 1:04am
Hey Bardo, I feel the exact same way.  I hate the in-betweens.  I'm on a high after having an amazing experience, but then as time goes by I feel discouraged.  Not that I'm not believing what I experienced, but that the energy of the feeling of the experience passes and I crave more.  It's what I call an "in" feeling.  When you're in the energy-state of an experience or feeling, it comes over you like being in love, like brain chemicals, like endorphins.  When that state passes, you're left with wanting more.  The only way to get through it is to remember to do what you've learned, practice, meditate, and keep at it.  Keep bringing the feeling back to your mind until you feel it again.  That's the doorway that the imagination opens for you.  Eventually you'll have another experience.  Remember not to put yourself in a "waiting" mode or else that's all that will happen.  Instead, open the door by remembering and re-experiencing the feeling of what you want to experience and feel, by remembering or pretending. 

Title: Re: For the animals
Post by Lights of Love on Apr 25th, 2013 at 9:04am

Quote:
When you're in the energy-state of an experience or feeling, it comes over you like being in love, like brain chemicals, like endorphins.  When that state passes, you're left with wanting more.  The only way to get through it is to remember to do what you've learned, practice, meditate, and keep at it.  Keep bringing the feeling back to your mind until you feel it again.  That's the doorway that the imagination opens for you.  Eventually you'll have another experience.

Great post Vicky!

The only thing I would add is that we all need what I call "downtime" to process what we created in our life, and in our spiritual being during the "high" creative  period.  To me it's a time of reflection and contemplation.  As much as we love the highs, the "lows" are just as important.

Title: Re: For the animals
Post by Vicky on Apr 25th, 2013 at 10:16am
Hi Kathy, thank you!  I completely agree with you about the need for downtime.  It's an opportunity for a lot of learning, growth, and integration.  As "experienced" as I am I'm still inexperienced, especially when it comes to allowing life events to affect me emotionally and making me believe I'm not good enough to have or do more, or believe I'm somehow being "punished" because I try so hard and get no results.  It's a nasty loop.  I've learned that I'm the only one who can get me out of that loop. 

The way I remember that is to remember the movie City of Angels.  Toward the end when the angel Seth chooses to become human, gets the girl, she dies soon after, and he's sitting there feeling all the emotions that go along with what he is experiencing.  (I know what a downward spiral that can be, sitting with your emotions).  His angel friend shows up and Seth asks him, "Am I being punished?"  And his friend says, "Come on, you know better than that."  This is how I remind myself to meditate to raise my consciousness away from the emotions that pull me down sometimes.  It's not always like that in those in-between times but it can be sometimes.  Just depends on what's going on in my life.

And writing is so therapeutic and I highly recommend it.  Even if it's just a personal journal.  It works well for bringing out the detail of the memory and for integrating it into your conscious mind.  It's why I keep such detailed notes!  Otherwise, I know how easy I could forget much of it. 

Title: Re: For the animals
Post by Lights of Love on Apr 25th, 2013 at 11:29am
Oh yes, I agree with you about writing.  I lost count of all the journals I've kept over the years.  It would probably take me another lifetime just to re-read them! lol :)

btw... if you haven't purchased a blender yet, Sam's catalog that I received a few days ago has the same one I have online for the same price I mentioned.

Title: Re: For the animals
Post by Bardo on Apr 26th, 2013 at 11:35am
Sorry to take this thread off the track, but this is in response to your thoughts above Vicky and friends. This morning I was meditating and stated my intention to do a retrieval. I had committed to myself not to be too passive and just wait for something to happen (based on our discussion above). Very quickly I saw a small "animated" hand reach through the blackness and pull me through it. It belonged to a cherub of classical style, who was animated like a cartoon. I took its hand and we started to fly over fields and lakes, I was not sure who we were going to retrieve or where we were going and began to lose faith in the process, when very suddenly, directly in my right ear (only), I heard a small voice whisper, "I promise they're in the room". This was one of those show stoppingly clear sounds that you hear, made all the more interesting by the fact that I only heard it in my right ear, which I don't ever remember happening in this kind of situation. I immediately started to think about who "they" might be, and assumed maybe my family or other helpers, although it could have been anyone or thing. I got no strong input on that and eventually came out of my relaxed state. I did not do a retrieval, but am mighty curious about what they meant by "I promise they're in the room"!

Title: Re: For the animals
Post by Vicky on Apr 26th, 2013 at 12:55pm
Bardo,

Sounds like you're getting there, and for all you know maybe you did do a retrieval but you don't remember that aspect of you doing it.  It sounds like there was a part of you that pulled away and that's where your awareness went. 

I've learned from experience that the breakthrough one is needing and waiting for is subtle but tricky.  Tricky in that you have to kind of fool the part of you that is skeptical, in doubt, or discouraged.  I think of it as two sides of me each trying to get what they want.  The doubtful side thinks it will always win and prevent anything from happening, so the curious side needs to be creative. 

At the point in your process where you were relaxed, meditative, committed, and had set intention, that's the point where the creativity comes in handy.  What works well for me is to tell myself that I've set my intention, so that means that I will treat the very next thing that happens to me as if it is in direct response to my intention.  No matter what happens, no matter what I experience, I'm going to act (pretend) as if it is exactly what I asked for. 

So the tricky part is not to let your doubtful or logical side take over and say, for example, "Well the very next thing I'm experiencing is seeing a flower.  That's silly.  Obviously it doesn't mean anything."  If you do that, the doubt is winning.  But if you just tell yourself, "Ok, I see a flower.  I'm going to stay in the process of my intention and "ask this flower" to take me to do a retrieval. 

Anything works, as long as you play the role.  You know you may still be doing some faking and pretending at this point, but the point is to bypass that part of yourself which is always going to pull you back logically.  Playing along with whatever comes next in your awareness is the key to pushing you through that doorway, that breakthrough needed to get you away from logical physical-world senses and thinking and move you to nonphysical reality awareness and senses. 

That flower could be a Helper disguised as a flower.  Or it could be your mind's way of trying to throw doubt in your way.  I just decide to trick myself and pretend it's exactly what I need to get me where I want to go.  Sounds weird but it works.  I think it works well because if you're already in a deeply relaxed state you're already halfway there because your mind is so suggestible in that state.  It's important to hold onto awareness of your intention, though, so that you don't get overtaken by dream sleep.  Holding onto conscious awareness is key, also will help you bring back memory of the whole experience when you're done.

By the way, I'm sorry too this conversation got off track but it's all good so that's ok.  I also wanted to mention to you that I've heard speaking in my right ear as well.  Others I know and trust have too.  I think it's a nonphysical phenomenon that we experience as if it's a physical sense of hearing.  I think it has to do with the way our psychic and nonphysical channels of communication work.  I actually experience it in normal waking life.  It's pretty interesting isn't it?  You'll have to do some investigating and retries to dig more into your experience.  Maybe you can get deeply relaxed again and see if you can remember more of your experience.   

Title: Re: For the animals
Post by BobMoenroe on Apr 26th, 2013 at 1:23pm
Vicky,


Quote:
I've learned that I'm the only one who can get me out of that loop.

If you find writing therapeutic, making a life review in writing might contain a few surprises - starting with birth and up until now. The journey, so far, with particulary keen eyes on the spiritual aspects.

One way is to keep repeating events/loops in mind during the whole process, to see where they originated from (and thus maybe become more aware of new creative ways to solving any current challenges), how you have been victorious with some loops, how you have tried to break some loops. What are the active loops as of this moment? Lessons learnt, potentials gleaned but untapped.

Life reviews don't have to wait until non-physical life. ;)

Title: Re: For the animals
Post by Vicky on Apr 26th, 2013 at 1:51pm
Hey BobMoenroe,

Thanks for the suggestion.  It's an interesting idea and something that I'd probably enjoy doing.  I know I already do work on those things in my mind a lot (until I need a break) but I've never tried writing it.  I can see how writing it out would help, especially if I just let myself do stream of consciousness writing.  Would I ever want to go back and read it all?  Ha ha, I don't know. 

Title: Re: For the animals
Post by Bardo on Apr 26th, 2013 at 4:09pm
I think I would benefit from that exercise. How to approach it? Writing down all the events that I can remember starting from the earliest memories. At some point I would need to start editing just to keep it manageable. And would I comment on the events or just report them to myself? Intriguing, and it would be a commitment.

Title: Re: For the animals
Post by BobMoenroe on Apr 27th, 2013 at 1:33am
Ok, the concept is fortunately simple and open ended enough to shape however one chooses.

My suggestion is to start with first breath, your mother giving birth, and keep going until now. Report and make comments where comments seem to be natural. Divide into chapters, starting with chapter 1, age 0 - 14?, and finish chapter 1 before going on to the next. Last chapter: So, where am I going from here?

Suggestions of things to keep in mind:

- Editing to keep it tidy but be honest about what's coming out on the screen. You're doing the reading and writing and no fingers are waiting in line to do their dance of judgements.

- During reviewing and writing your story, pay attention to what of the world and the people you've met that you've allowed to enter and take up residence in your being, and why did you open the door if hesitant? Some ideas might have helped you, some might be long over due?

- Loops, repeating events that keep on repeating are important, and may hint at unresolved issues. Maybe along the process you become aware of it's mere beginnings, and aware of sub loops that can help you dismantle bigger loops. The very same loops seem to go on with different persons and different circumstances until dealt with, finally and properly.

- Drinking water doesn't tend to be an addiction, but are you addicted to substances or circumstances? Why? How did it start out?

- Important choices, forks in the road - why did you choose how you did? Remember, honest and straightforward.

...I'm sure there are more.

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